Turn off Your Socials with Angel Reese

You have a beat face for a game. Not beat, but I'll do like a little concealer and a little blush and keep it on. Excuse me, what's beat for a good knit for the male listeners? That's like the guys, your face is like done. Your face is clean like the beat. Like the makeup artist beat your face girl. Beat to the guys, your beat to the gods. So that's why having a good beat means your face is done and it's made up. Got it, okay. Yeah, it's an adjective. Yeah, you know. It's beat. I thought it was a noun. You don't have makeup on in the game, do you? Yeah, we just said that. Where were you? I missed that. I didn't think you meant. I wear a little thumbs up. He was trying to hold you down. What a beat is. This episode of IMO is brought to you by Progressive Insurance. Mish. Craig Robinson. How are you? I'm doing great. Yeah. I'm doing pretty good. How about you? I feel busy. Yeah, well. When you have kids still in school, it's a busy time. And you're in basketball season. That's right. So, and again, how many teams are you facilitating? So I'm coaching eighth grade as well as assistant coaching high school. And then I'm, the N.A.B.C. is preparing for the final four, which is in April. The N.A.B.C. is. National Association of Basketball Coaches, which is by. Which is your side job. It's my full time job. And you know, the interesting thing, the final four is in Indianapolis this year. Oh, so that's good for you. That's good for me because it's close by. But all three divisions are having their championship in the Indianapolis area. So that's going to be. Division one, division two, division three. So it's going to be, I won't say hectic. I'll say it'll be a festival. Yeah, this is, it's rare that they have them all together. So it's sort of a celebration of the game. Talking about basketball. Oh man. Talking about, yes. Talking about some goats. Talking about. Talking about an honorary Chicagoan. Yes, we've got, I'm really excited for our, for our guest this episode. Craig, why don't you do the honors and then we can get to it. I will. I will. We are talking about today we have Angel Reese on. She is an NCAA champion, two time WNBA All Star. In addition to her incredible achievements on the court, she hosts the podcast Unapologetically Angel. A fellow podcaster. Which I'm really interested in talking to her about that. She's also an entrepreneur with brands like Reebok, Victoria's Secret, Reese's, which is one of my favorite candies and Beats. And in 2023, she founded the Angel C Reese Foundation dedicated to empowering girls and women through sports, education, financial literacy and more. That's great. And she wore her heels today. So she's taller than me, which makes me feel so good. Without further ado, Angel Reese. It's so good to have you here. You are gorgeous. Well, I'm sure today. Well, this is what we call in our family normal height. Tall queens. Tall queens and we wear our heels. Wearing your heels, ladies. Me, my girls. It's like, brother's better, you know, better. Get the confidence. It's like, you might have to be looking up for a second. But girl, you are gorgeous. Thank you. I'm so happy to be here. I am so happy to have you here. Oh my God. Reading your your resume, your introduction. Now I would think you'd be about 50 years old. I'm dead. That's so funny. But I'm like, you a baby. I am a baby. You are a baby. I know. And I try to like, remember that. Sometimes I get caught off guard. I'm still 23. I'm like, living this life once. Really? And like, try to get myself so much grace. But at the same time, it's like, it's all coming so fast. Like, everything came so fast for me. So I'm still soaking it up. But you are handling yourself, be youdifly. Thank you. I mean, it's not just what you do, but the way you carry yourself, girl. Thank you. I mean, it is really a joy to watch you manage it all. And you do it with a smile on your face, with an excellent attitude. Thank you. So I am just an honor coming from you. The queen. The queen. I don't think they were making girls like you when I was growing up. What does that mean? Man, I mean, what? Yeah, what does that mean? All of what you said and can get 10 rebounds a game. Okay. Yeah. I mean, listen, Leslie, you know, she was, she was my girl. I just saw her at the all-star game. Yes, I saw you still. Oh, we missed you. I wasn't there. I saw her cross the way. But see, she's still young. I mean, it's just, oh man, it's so nice to see. It's a breath of fresh air. Yes, yes, yes. And the passion with which you play is so fun. I love it. Well, let me start because I hear that I am a reality TV fan. And I know you are into Love Island. Girls got me into Love Island. Really? Yeah, because I wasn't, yeah, I would always just click past it because it just seemed like too much. Yeah. And then one time they were like, mom, you just have to sit here and watch with us. Yeah, it's good. And I think it was the season before last. Yep. And man was I hooked. I mean, oh, it's crazy. It's crazy. You're watching? No. What's your show? No, it's Wide World of Sports. It's some old, you know, he's watching old TV. First of all, Wide World of Sports isn't on anymore. What if it were? He'd be watching it. Wide World of Sports. Now who sounds like they don't know Pop Culture? Good news. You know what, I watch movies. Okay. Old movies. And then I'm watching basketball probably because of my job and because of my kids and because I'm watching you. I'm watching a lot of basketball. Okay. So he's watching nothing fun. But sometimes you got to watch some trash TV or something that just, oh, okay. Yeah. Do you watch Traders? I haven't watched Traders. Oh girl. I watch TV sometimes, but like when something is trending, it is good. Okay. What is that on? Well, it's on Brava. Peacock. But all these celebrities, a lot of them from reality TV. So Rob from Love Island is on it this year. Okay. I'm going to watch that. But he's on Love Island, you're saying? He was on Love Island. What's the point of Love Island? You're going to find love on an island. And everybody's in a bikini. And everybody's naked. Yeah, and also last thing. Right up my alley. I'm really missing something here. I'm missing something here over here. Last week I had Jenae Craig on my podcast. She was on this season, not this season, but last season. And she was telling me, I was like, were you not nervous going on there? Like, you have to kiss other people, all these different people. Like your parents are watching. Yeah, what she said. She was like, at first I was like, yeah, like my mom, they're very religious. Yeah. So her mom was like, don't do that again. She didn't tell her mom. She hit me on the phone. She didn't tell her mom. She hit it from her mom for so long. And she was telling me, she was like, she wouldn't do it again. But she loved the results from everything that came from it. Wait, her mom found out on TV? Yes, her mom did not. Oh, that's wrong. That is not right. I do think that that's a little, you know, I would be thrown. If I looked up and Sasha Malio on TV, bikini, and I didn't know, I'd be like, girls. And smooching up with a bunch of people. It's more than stroking up. They're doing it all. They're having a good time. And they all sleep in the same room and they get paired up. They get coupled up. And they're young. They're like, see, everybody's like, within their 20s and 30s, and trying to find love. And it's like, I always ask all of them, are you here to intentionally find someone, or are you trying to win the money? Because at the end of the day, they're supposed to care on the table. So you're not trying to get married like a bachelorette? No, I'm not. It's not the end goal. It's not like you're going to get married. But this is just your boyfriend and girlfriend. Outside the villa. A lot of them have lived outside, like Serena and Leah, they're like still with their partner. And they're still living outside the villa because you're in a villa. You need to see what their everyday life looks like outside of it. So a lot of these couples get out and they get out into the real world. And sometimes the relationships last and sometimes they don't. Some of them don't. But anyway, you... You're trying to get me to watch. I'm trying to be interested. It's going to be funny for you to watch. I know, I can't wait. How do you like podcasting? I like it. I feel like I get to know different people in different professions that I never really think I would talk to. This is actually my first time going on somebody else's podcast. Oh, yeah. Because I like being in the one in control. I'm like, I actually did. I can't actually do that. So this is my first time doing it. So I like to now be able to be in a different seat and what it feels like. I like to know everybody. I make my space so people can come on there and be themselves. And to feel like a safe space. I don't want them to come on there and feel like this is a trap. We're trying to get drama. We're trying to get click based. I don't want any of that. I want them to just be able to come on there and just have a good time. And everybody that's been on there has had a good time. And I really love it. Who is the oldest person you've had on? Probably Shaq. Oh, yeah. Shaq's probably the oldest. And he ain't even that old. Shaq's probably the oldest. Shaq has been pretty instrumental. I saw the Reebok documentary. It was good to see him. And in the sort of the quest to get Reebok back on the map. How's that going? How are you feeling? Yeah, it's been great. I mean, when I first started talking to him, Shaq went to LSU. And I went to LSU as well. So his daughter was in the recruitment process of trying to come to LSU. And he asked me one day, it was like, what would it take for you to come to Reebok? And I was like, I'm not really interested in signing a shoe. This was before I won the championship. So people knew who I was and I had a good following. But I hadn't done much. I didn't do anything. And I feel like being able to sign to a shoe brand was something that was big. Wait, this was when you were still in college? This is when I was in college. And I hadn't even won the championship yet. I won the championship my junior year. But this was like September, October of my junior year. So I hadn't won anything yet. So you weren't with winning, having a winning pedigree, then cash in the check? Yeah, I wanted to win first. I wanted to win because I didn't want it to look like I was just based off of my name. Interesting. I went and he was like, what would it take? And I'm like, I don't know. I'm not really looking for it. We'll figure it out when it gets there. So when I finally won the championship, we were still in talks and connections. And he was like, anything you ever need, I'll make sure I get it for you or I'll help you out. And then all the different shoe brands started reaching out. So I was like, okay, well, I want to go where I'm prioritized. And to be prioritized as a woman, as a black woman and helping a brand to come back and regenerate where it was, that was something that was really important to me. I mean, everybody wore Shacks. Everybody wore AI. So they didn't have a woman that was the face of their brand. And Shack told me, he was like, you could be the face of Reebok. And I didn't believe him at first. But I didn't know because I know how women can be percepted. And I just know how it could be for a woman and trying to get into the industry. And I was like, he was like, just trust me. Yeah. So I signed to Reebok and we started just working together and building certain things. And I told him, like, I want to incorporate fashion with basketball. And that was the biggest thing for me. And since then it's just been history. Being able to create this shoe is just, it's been phenomenal. And how, where did you get your savvy and your maturity? I mean, just, you know, you had a strategy coming into this. I mean, you know yourself. And I also saw the documentary on NIL, right? When you were at LSU and watching you handle all of that. I mean, going to school, playing, starting, the pressure, and still basically working a full-time brand. Where did you get your sophistication, your strategic thinking? Yeah, probably from my mom. My mom was an independent single mom that raised me and my brother. And I knew I had to get to college on my scholarship. There was no way she was going to be able to pay out of pocket for school. So I was like, okay, let me find something that I know that I really love and enjoy to do that can get me to college. So I was highly recruited, sixth grade, seventh grade, eighth grade. I was, I went to the University of Maryland initially. Maryland. Maryland. Baltimore. Baltimore. Because I wanted to stay close to home. I wanted to stay close to my family. My grandparents were the ones that took me places during tournaments. And then my mom took my brother places. And we always made sure, they made sure it worked for us. So I always wanted to make sure I did it for my mom. And then when I finally transferred to LSU, I had already been posted on Instagram. I love fashion. I love having cute stuff. Me too. I love putting on my heels. I loved all of that. So I was like, I need to make sure I continue to have a brand outside of basketball. That was just something that was important to me. I didn't know about NIL initially. I was like, we should be getting paid. It was new. We should be getting paid. So the first two years, I wasn't getting paid. None of us were getting paid. And when we, the deadline, it was like July 1st, I was like, I need to find somebody to help me get my brand. Align with things that I want to do. And it was slow in the beginning. I always tell this story. I'm not signed to an agency, but I was working with Jeanine. That's my agent I work with now. That's Kersi. She's not here. Jeanine's not here, but shout out to Jeanine. I signed to an agency initially that Jeanine was with. And they told me that I wasn't going to make more than $2,000. This was at the very beginning of NIL. So I told myself, I know I'm going to make more than $2,000. I don't know what y'all talking about. But I'm not going to make more than $2,000. I'm not going to make more than $2,000. I don't know what y'all talking about. I know I'm going to make more than $2,000. And me and Jeanine left. We did our own thing. It was just me and her. And she left the agency? She left the agency with me. We took a bold step and we're like, we're going to do this on our own. So we started doing it and started doing it. And then when we won the national championship, that's when we added two more people. But we're a very, very small group. A lot of people are signed to big agencies. But we're very small. It's just us. It was all women at one point. And then we had my financial advisor and my lawyer. Those are the guys. They had the big stuff. We had a couple guys in there. My mom does a lot of stuff. Your mom does. My mom sees all my accounts. I didn't trust anybody with my money except my mom. And I knew nobody was going to backdoor me. I always had my mom. I knew my mom was going to be the one for me. So I kind of had the plan and I took risk. I was like, I'm going to do this. I know I'm going to be able to do fashion. I'm going to be a basketball player. If I want to start a podcast, I can do it. I just had big dreams. And luckily I was able to accomplish them at such a crazy fast pace. But I definitely had a plan for sure. Yeah. So you do this podcast thing. We treat this like you're at our house. So we're like jumping around on all different stuff. Because I want to go back to when did you fall in love with basketball? Did you play other sports? Did you hear about you growing up? Yeah. So I did. I ran track. I did cheerleading. Did you run field? I was running. Let me tell you the story. I was running for 100 one time. Oh, that's cool. My mom was out there. And I was running. I did my first lap. And I just stopped in the middle of the track. And I fell out. She was so embarrassed.哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 coach a third grade team. Your mom was a coach. My mom was a coach. She coached a third grade team. Okay. And I was like four or five years old and I used to just go and play basketball around the gym and play while she was practicing. Now was your brother playing at this point? My brother was not playing yet. Okay. He wasn't playing yet. He was a late bloomer. Okay. So we started playing with each other probably when we were eight and nine and she coached us. Okay. So I was on the all boys team and it was just me, I was the only girl. And she coached us and she said she would never do that again. Me and him used to fight, we used to go at it. Like, it was crazy. But it really helped me and it really built me. But I really enjoyed, like I would never take that point for granted. Like having my mom like coach me. Yeah. Yeah. It was fun. And so what grade was this? This was like, oh, fifth grade. Okay. Fifth, sixth grade. So by sixth grade and seventh, you started getting recruited. Yeah. I was getting recruited. I was playing, well, when I was in third grade, I was playing on the fifth grade team. So by the time I was in fifth grade and sixth grade, I was kind of already advanced. Like I had already knew what I was doing. I was also short. I was short and I was a point guard. When I was younger, I used to wear goggles. I was a point guard. So that's kind of where I had my like ballheading skills from because I was a guard when I was younger. It makes sense. And then I just, eighth grade is when like, I just shot up and got tall. And I was just like, I hated it. I hated it at all. Cause like all the guys were like, oh, I'm the tall girl that you're raffing the classroom. I never understood. Yeah. We don't know. Cause we don't catch up until later. You don't get into it too late. Until you're too late. But like nobody instilled, like my grandma used to tell me like, I'm not really tall for a reason, but I never understood. Like, grandma, you're not at school with me when these kids are like being mean to me and bullying me and stuff like that. But now like I get it and I really embrace it. So this summer, the FIFA World Cup is bringing fans from all over the world into cities across the U.S. People traveling, looking for a place to stay, trying to catch the games and soak up the atmosphere. 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Want to learn more about the up payment program and Progressive's commitment to first time home buyers? Visit progressive.com slash Open the House to find out more about housing challenges and access resources and support to empower them in their housing journey. Where does your height come from? My whole family. My granddad is 6'5". OK. Yeah. Everybody's tall. My mom's 6'1". My dad is 6'9". My brother is 6'9". My other brother is 6'9". So everybody was tall. So in high school, I was being heavily recruited and then my first years I played volleyball. I won two championships in volleyball. Oh, you just win in everywhere. I love volleyball. It was so fun. And I thought it was something I could just continue to help me to get to the top of my career. I think that kind of helped me with rebounding as well. I'm sure. It probably did. My mom is a great rebounder though. She has a record held at UMBC in Maryland. But did she say to you, all right, you got to get 10 rebounds a game? No, she's never been the type to be like, you need to do this, you need to do that. She always let me be free. Like she always let me because she trusted and she knew that I would work hard and know that I can get to my goals because I worked hard. She trusted me. Now my brother on the other hand, he went to college and she was like, what are you doing? She knew that I was going to always be successful because she trusted me. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you guys, I do, were you guys, what was your relationship like with your mom? Was it like were you like friends? Was she like, I'm not one of your little friends? Yeah, that was that. And so I got to college. I loved her when we got to college. I didn't have to come home at a certain time, do certain things and me and my brother are 11 months apart. So we used to try to be like, yeah, we used to try like, hey, let's do it. Like let's not tell mom this and tell mom that. So we were super close when we were younger. And then when we got older, we just all like best friends, like all of the texts in the group chat and just have a good time. And I think parents understand once you're out of the house and like we're adults and we understand what life is about now because you've taught us so many great things. And I don't think, I think you know that we're not going to do anything crazy or getting in any trouble because I know you're going to get on me. That's right. You got to be more afraid of me than you are your little friends. Yes, I'm still afraid of my mom. Yes, and I say that too. My girls say the same thing. I was like, I'm good with that. I think a little fear is good for all the parents out there. It's like let your kids like you when they're adults. But until then, they should be a little afraid. Just a little afraid. Yeah, I'm so, I tell my kids, I'm easy to manage. Just do what you're supposed to do. I'm easy to manage. Did you guys go to the same high school? Initially, no. He went to a public school and I went to a private school my four years and then I used to tell him like I don't like the situation. And I used to tell my mom like I wasn't liking the situation. So he needs to come with me. And like I used to always watch over him. I didn't like the situation at the public school because public school sometimes it's like, it's too much going on. I think he needed the undivided attention of being at a private school. What is it with these little sisters taking care of their older brothers? No, this is my little brother. Oh, this is your little brother. Yes. I kind of felt like I knew what was best for him. I got you. And he was successful. He was able to still thrive, but I had to like watch him. Like I always say to my mom, like my mom just lets me be independent. And she's like, still babies, my brother. I'm like, you have to let him live life. That's what happened here too. See? The mama's boys. Yes, she is. I mean, look, I always make the joke. I had to take her to the White House before she noticed. She's like, Craig, Craig, is Craig fine? That's her mom, that's too. I'm like, is Juju fine? I'm like, I don't know. I don't know. He's playing with the G-League in Toronto. And she went down to set his room up. I'm like, what are you doing, mom? You didn't come to set my room up. But I love it because I know that that's what makes him feel comfortable. And that's what makes me feel comfortable for him. Because he's set up. Yeah, he's good. I'm like, you're good. You need something. He's like, all right. So how do you feel about girlfriends in his life? Let's talk about that for a bit. I am open to what he likes and loves. But I definitely will let him know, like, this might not be the best situation for you. And I see it at the end. It always folds out how I say it. You always go to the White House. I always know when I'm talking about it. I'm like, mom, she's like, just let him live. Like, he has to go through it. Poor kid. Mom, this is not. It's like, if she do something to my brother, man, I'm not going to be happy. Going down. Mm-hmm. Well, I'm playing by my brother. Let's understand that, ladies. Don't be messing with Angel's little baby. So he hasn't met anybody who's like you. I don't think he's capable of being with somebody like me. OK. OK. To expound. Yeah. I don't think he's able to be with a woman that has her own. I think a lot of men are not able to have. That requires. Present company excluded. Yeah, you. OK. I think it's hard. Yeah. I think it takes a strong man to be able to be open to a woman that has her own, that works on her own, that does her own things, and doesn't necessarily need you. And that is not catering to. Exactly. It's like, when you have your own thing, you don't have time to make sure you're this. Make sure it. Because you're, you know, you've got your own path. Yes. Yeah. And it is, it is a difficult thing. I mean, I feel very blessed that, you know, my husband in his before all of this, he had to be completely secure with all that was me. Yeah. How I thought, how I moved, how I, you know, and it's a rare thing. Yeah. My mom, that's how my mom was. Like my mom was very like, she taught me how to cut a grass if I needed to. If I need to change like a tire, like she made me so independent. Like, if I'm coming into a relationship, sorry, I don't need you. You're just a plus to me. Yeah. And I kind of, oh, when I tell my brother, I'm like, you want a woman that is also ambitious, because you don't want to deal with, you don't want to be with somebody that's not driven, that is not going to push you to be better. Because when you're slacking, you need somebody to. That's right. Tap your, hey, you got to get up and come on. I say a relationship is like a basketball team. It's like everybody's got to be able to shoot, dribble, score, and defend everybody. It's like you wouldn't pick your team and be like, I only dribble. Yeah. And it's like, you know, because you never know what life is going to have before you. You know, it's like you want a partner that is bringing what you're bringing to the table because life happens. Yes. Somebody could get sick. Life life. Somebody could life be life. Life be life. And so. Can we just pause for a moment and I want to let the producers mark this time that my sister used a basketball analogy. For the first time in a whole year. I have used this analogy. Not with me. But I do when I'm talking to men, trying to get them to understand. It's like you want a partner that can bring it all. Yes. And I tell my daughters, you have to be able to do everything. Yes. I don't want you to ever count on somebody. I've seen too many friends who, you know, they serve the role. They did what they were supposed to do. And then somebody walked out on them. Or somebody died. Yeah. Unfortunately. It takes us a while. We. How long? When we get older. How long? Yeah, really. How old? I would say for me, I was probably in my early 30s when I was like confident. OK. Well, I like I think that. It's not the same for everybody, though. Like there's some guys who probably have that at 25. And there I've met some guys who've had it early. But I would think around 30 is the right age, especially for somebody as polished and as you are. Yeah, you might. Yeah. Sorry, I cut you off. No, no, no, no. I just because I want to hear your opinion as the man. I never understood, though. Yeah. But is it I want to know, do you feel like it's a threat when you were younger in your earlier days? Do you feel like? Because I grew up in a household of strong women. I didn't see it as a threat. It was more I wasn't ready to be the be as responsible as you or as my sister was at an earlier age. I was still, you know, I was trying to play basketball. I'm trying to be out there and see what what this all brings. And then when I stopped playing, I was trying to make a living. Yeah. And I was really focused on that. I think it's like the lifestyle, too. Like you get so caught up in the lifestyle, especially the guys. You could call you. You have so much access to everything. Yes. And you don't understand what it even looks like to be in a real relationship or be with someone that is driven and has their own. Like, oh, I woke up today because I saw you woke up at five and now I'm about to get up and get up at five thirty because I'm motivated to keep going and get up and do things. And I think that is important, especially at twenty three. I've seen so much in the dating world. And I think being able to be around people and be around someone that really understands and is very ambitious and talks long term things. I like to be educated, too, because I don't know everything. That's right. Tell me about the investments and how how to do certain things and access. Because I wasn't taught that in school. They don't teach that in school. No, they don't teach that anywhere. Oh, yeah, anywhere. But I think that is really important. And I think I've had an eye opener to that. And not just over the years, just just being in the life in the space that I've been now, like realizing like it's bigger than the lifestyle. Like, the day we have to turn the social media off, everything that we see and we have to sit and lay down and invest together. And this is reality. How do you how are you managing that? I mean, you're you're first of all, you're your generation. It's your profession. It's the how do you how do you make the separation? How do you keep yourself sane and still, you know, get the job done? I think I try to have some type of normalization of knowing where I've come from. I'll never forget that. I don't want to ever feel like I'm bigger than anything. So I always sit back and just think like I'm so grateful. I'm so thankful. I love being able just to come home and turn my phone off and just relax and just doing the things that I enjoy laying in bed and just laughing and just having a good time with the people that I love and enjoy. So I think over the years, it's been hard for me to realize that. But I think the maturity of just understanding like social media isn't real. The reality that again, social media is not real. OK, everybody, I think we get so caught up in that. Years, probably I would comment back at things and let things continue to bother me. But now it's just like, well, you know, girl, it takes some people until now, my age, 62 to realize that it's just beautiful that, you know, and look, I I adore you. It's fun to watch you. But I also want to make sure you're protecting your soul through all of this. And a lot of young people don't even know that they need to protect themselves. So I'm glad to hear that you understand this fully. Yeah, I think now I've over the last two years, I've been able to understand it. Do I think what has happened to me over the years is normal? No, not at all. And is acceptable? No, not at all. But understanding this is my new reality of what life is about and being able to just be grateful and graceful of everything that I'm able to enjoy of just being able to come home and let my hair down and just walk around the house. So like just being able to enjoy the little things. And like now that's just the things I enjoy. I can't go to the grocery store and do the same things I used to be able to go to the concert and just have a good time or just go to the hair. Now I just enjoy the little things at home when I can. Well, I have to back up and because you said you were talking about being bullied when you because you were tall. I think and correct me if I'm wrong, all the stuff that you've had to go through has prepared you for what you're handling now. And I have to say, so I started following you when you were at LSU. So I didn't know you when you were at Maryland. So when you started being on TV and I was like, oh, look at this beautiful woman getting all these rebounds and being able to really play like I could tell you could handle the ball. I can tell you can see the game by the way you pass. You're seeing now sports is like reality TV. The media wants to manufacture some stuff. And I just want you to know that I noticed how you've handled yourself. And it has been absolutely with a plum. You can't you can't really teach that you can talk to people about it. But you can't teach what you went through. Yeah, I don't think anybody will ever ever understand. And so if for the for those young people, not just women coming up behind you, how would you talk to them about what you went through? I think it was a really pivotal point in my life. I think it was a character builder for me to be able to go through what I was going through, especially at a time where I won. But am I losing at the same time where I'm feeling like I'm getting pulled by the wins, but I'm also getting pulled by the losses. And how do I find a medium where I'm able to just cope with both? Yeah. And figuring that out. And like I've had to eliminate people out of my life, eliminate people out of my circle, being able to find people that genuinely just outside of Bayou Barbie, Shaitan Barbie, outside of everything like Angel, who's Angel? And just being able to enjoy great company. I think that's really important for me. And just continuing just to be confident. I think everybody always asks me, like, are you all right? Like, yeah, I'm as all right as I can be. And everything is not great. But I try to wake up every day and just be grateful for every moment. Every moment hasn't been great, but I wouldn't change this life for anything because I have had some really good moments and I don't want bad moments to outshine the good moments because I know I've been able to bless my family, bless the community, being able to start a foundation. I never would have thought I was able to start a foundation. At this age, girl. I never would have thought that. Being able to just continue to thrive in basketball, have a sneaker and just being able to do so many great things. I try not to let the negative outshine the positive. But like I said, I keep my circle very small. I love who I love when I am big on loyalty. I love the people around me. I appreciate you guys for making this a safe space for me, because like you said, the media has not always been great for me. No, no. I'll take a fine. I'll catch a fine, especially the WNB. I'll take a fine before I have to go to media and feel like I'm my back as it gets to wall. So I really appreciate you guys for allowing me to come on here and this feel like a safe space and one of the safest spaces that it's been in a very, very long time for me. Well, we've had our share. You know, I mean, I, you know, it's, you know, I completely understand, you know, the challenges that you face and but doing it at 23. I mean, you know, by the time we got in the White House, we were in our 40s. So it's like a big difference to have to deal with that kind of spotlight. So so the tell me this, the negative stuff that you've been through, I don't want to stay on the negative, but the negative stuff you've been through, has it changed your passion or love for the game? All right, good. I don't think anybody can dictate the love and joy or take that away from me. Good. I think I've been through so much at a pivotal time. Like I said, when I was winning so much, now it's like everything is a win to me. The small things are a win to me. So I don't even let the negativity get to me. Like it doesn't bother me. You see it. I see it. We all see it. And it's like is I I've grown to have a skin where you can't break me. Yeah, good. You just can't break me. I feel like I've learned over the years also when I've spoken out on those things, of things that I have gone through, is backfired or anything. Anything you say. I feel like you damn if you do, damn if you don't. You say something and it's a problem. You don't say something. It's still a problem. And and you know that the people you have surrounded yourself with your family, your team. That's those are the only people you need to care about. That's what our mom used to tell us. Yes. Just worry about who's at this kitchen table right here. Don't worry about these other folks. It's like come here. Come home to be loved. Yes. You need love. Come to your team. Go to your team or come home. And that's true for everybody. It's quite frankly. Everybody should be that way. But it's hard, especially your generation when everything is judged. And hearing you talk about social media like a 60 year old makes me happy. Because I know you're not sitting there swiping and going down on the rabbit hole. Like, oh man, I might, I might just give up playing because the same word that I can, I can be a fashion designer. I can be a shoe sales person. I can, you can do whatever you want. Yeah. No, it just, yeah, it just makes me go harder. I'm so, yeah, I have so many goals. Like if I stop now, I approved you right. And I proved you right. Like, and I have nothing to prove to anybody but myself. And I just know, like, I want to continue to do the things that I want to do. Nobody can, I'm not going to let that outside control my own narrative of what I want to be and what I want to, what I want to do. Life can be one big puzzle, your career, your relationships, your finances, and then your health. 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So I did that my rookie year and then last year and then this is the first offseason. So I was able to enjoy my offseason and do some of my sneaker stuff and just continue to build my game. And then now I trained for the USA team because that's a big goal for me to play on the 20-28 LA team. So I trained and did a lot of stuff with that in December and they just announced that I made the World Cup team. So I'm looking forward to that. And then I'm going to go and play on rival for the last three games and hopefully we get to the finals and run it back. How is Chicago? The city is beautiful. Sometimes shy. It's why we're not there. Oh, man. It's the best. The food, the vibes. The city, it's like a small town, big city. People are really nice, lovely. It's like that Midwestern, everybody's sweet. I always say it's because it's southern. It's like black folks migrated from the south. Everybody went down south for the south. It's got that southern welcoming vibe. I was hoping you were enjoying yourself. The culture there, they show up. They sell out our games. They love us. And going to a city where the legacy of Chicago and sports speaks for itself, it was an honor to be able to be in the city. We still love the city, even though we don't live there. But we've got the Presidential Center opening up in June. And we still have our home there. We live in Hyde Park. We are going to be doing a lot of work and hopefully we can do some things together. Yes, yes, yes. With your foundation. We work with girls and young leaders. And it would be great to figure out some ways we can do some things together for the city. Talk about your foundation. I want the folks out here to hear about it. Yeah. So when I started my foundation, well, let's start back. When I was in high school, I went to a school called St. Francis Academy in Baltimore. If I'm here, the jail is right there in Baltimore City. There were about 250 students in the school, probably about 50 us were women. And I always told myself, like, I want to be able to give a scholarship back to the school. However I can, if it's just to a woman, to a player on the team, somebody, I was like, I want to do that. So when I started, when everything happened within the National Championship, I was like, this money can't just be said. I can't be just spending. I got to give back to the community and give back to where I know I was from and where I was founded. So St. Francis was the first thing I was able to do. I was able to give a scholarship away first. Then I did my back to school event there and giving backpacks and everything away for the entire community. And then I was like, nobody ever taught me what it's like to have a lump sum of money because I'm a first generation of having this much money. And I didn't know what to do with it initially. And I'm learning on the go and learning on the fly. But how about as I'm learning, I'm teaching some young girls of how to do it as well and how to be confident within themselves to have a big sister, like as myself and being able to feel and touch them and they can see me. Because when you see it, you can believe it and you can be it. Yeah. Wonderful. All right. Let me switch. And I don't want to make this personal. But as a young person out here, because I had two young daughters, it's like, what do you make of the dating scene? You know how, you know, and I know it's hard for you. It's like, because you're beautiful and you're smart and you know your own thing. I'm always like, what, what does it feel like being out here these days? And that's not about the who or no, it's just like, what's your take on this situation? I think, like I said, finding someone that doesn't care about all the extra stuff. I don't want you to fantasize over me because of what you see on social media. Like, you know, I'm that girl. But in the day, like when we go home, like you're still a genuinely good person. And I have my own. So I don't need to be with someone for their own. So I think it was very intentional for me. One, I date privately. That's what I've learned over the years, not putting your business out there, sharing what you want people to know and keeping things private of what you want to keep private. But I haven't had like a hard life in the dating scene. I think, of course, I'm having a soft life. But I'm very big on like, like I said, like you treat me right. Yeah. Yeah. But if you don't like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like to feel like it's hard for your daughters. I mean, you know, they aren't lonely, right? But, you know, but, you know, I do think just in the whole situation of young people, because it's not just my kids, but, you know, the young women who are like, who are like my daughters. And, you know, just like we talked about for women, it's, you know, the pickings are slim or they seem slim. Yeah. Because it just feels like no one wants to commit. I think it's hard. I think you always want to have the you walk in the grocery store and you need to reach up and find something and the man just walks in and grabs it for you. Yeah, everybody's got this story. It doesn't happen. So I think just finding the reality of what genuine love is like and I am young and still figuring things out. And I think you find someone that is helping you learn this life thing at the same time. Like I said, I'm big on loyalty. You ride with me. I'm a ride with you through any and all. So as long as we doing that and rocking, then we're going to be okay. We're going to be okay. Just fine. Just fine. What are the I mean, you're in everything and I was looking through the research that we had. So you're trying to get into cooking more. I do. I want to cook. Okay. You want to. I want to go to culinary school. Okay. Like serious cooking. You want to be like, I just, we have a chef, but like, I want to be able to, I mean, I can do a little one too, but like, I want to be able to like dress the plate up and like have it looking like the restaurant. Like, the sauce is the little drips of the sauce. And like, that's what I want. I feel like I can't, like I said, basketball is going to be done one day. I'm going to have kids and like, yeah, the chef can do the thing. Yeah. Sometimes I got to put it together too. Right. Right. It's not like home cooking. I can just see your kids coming home. Hey mommy, thanks for the little design on my plate. I also, I don't know if you guys know who Nora Smith is. Okay. She's like, she's, she makes and cooks everything from scratch. I'm sure people, somebody back there knows what she's like, milk in the cow. And oh, oh, you scratch. I think I've, yes, your daughter's now. Okay. So I want to like, I, I mean, not that in depth, but she makes everything. So you could be making your own baby food. Like, she makes Cheerios or something like that. Yeah, I see. Everything. She has a me. Yeah. That like interests me. I like stuff like that. Yeah. So I like watching cooking videos. I was talking to somebody who gave up cooking a while ago. What happened? The White House. The White House. Hey, listen, now we're getting to the point where you and I got more in common than everybody else in America. I was like, why you want to do that? No, I'm just kidding. No cooking, no, no commercial flights. No, you know, do you enjoy the life? My life. I am having a blast. This has been so, you know, so she's 62. I'm going to be 64 on my next birthday. Yes. And being able to learn something completely new at this age, this whole podcasting thing, has been a godsend for me. Like it is really fun getting the, I was telling my wife, I was like, I'm really having fun. I can't put my finger on it. And she said, you just like talking to people. And that's what I like. And being able to do it with her, because we grew up kind of like you and your brother. We were close. And then when I started coaching, I was moving all around and then they moved to the White House. So we'd only see each other twice a year. Now we see each other once a month. And it's so much fun. I love that. So I'm really enjoying this part of life. And I'm working with the coaches association for college. So I'm all involved in the NIL stuff and the transfer portal and trying to be in on those discussions. And then I've got, we still have two younger sons who are high school and eighth grade. So I'm coaching their team. So it's, I'm at a good spot. Yeah. It might be a little too busy, but it's good. Is there anything you guys miss about like the normalcy of like this one thing? I miss like going to the mall. Yeah. Or just like walking in and nobody knowing you are. The first little things like I went to Mallorca visiting a friend. The girls came with me. We're at this villa and we're staying there because we got all, we got all this security when we go abroad. Yeah. Just like the international, they require all this stuff. So, you know, nobody would know I'm anywhere except for the local police. Right. You know. So I was like, I just want to go into town. I just want to walk into this little beautiful town. And so we found a way to kind of ditch the big motorcade and we parked in my security and we got out because we're learning how to do things stealthily because it's usually the security that tells people somebody's here. Yeah. Right. So we snuck in me and the girls, a couple of friends of ours, we walked to this beautiful little boutique. We went in it and we shopped. It's beautiful. For two hours, we got a dressing room and I realized I had never been able to take my girls shopping like that. Like those are the little things like, like we had so much fun and I was like, give what you want. Try that on. Oh, that looks cute. We just had that or the experience the other summer because I started driving in Martha's Vineyard because it's small and, you know, I'm followed by people, but I'm in my own car driving myself. And I was in the car with Malia and she's in the passenger seat and it's a little convertible. We had the top down and she's playing music and we're singing. Yeah. That was the first time I had that experience with my daughter where I was driving and she was in the car and it was just us. Those are the things that, you know, you miss anonymity. Yeah. My mom always says that she's like, I miss when we can just go to a restaurant and just go eat and everybody's walking up to the table or like just wanting a picture and you want to give everybody a picture and enjoy everybody, but you also want to enjoy your own time. Yeah. And again, this is not a complaint. No, you feel like you got to be like, oh, look at you. Not a complaint. Not a complaint. No crying on the yacht. No crying on the yacht. But you know, you feel like you have to qualify all of those statements. For sure. But there is a loneliness that comes with the isolation and you're going through it young. Yeah. You know? Yeah. It's like, it's important to acknowledge that that's not normal. Yeah. You know? Yeah, it's not. Yeah. It's not and it is okay to feel away about it. Yeah. Right? Yeah. Because I don't think there are very few people who understand what it feels like to never, ever be able to blend in. Like first of all, we're tall. Yeah. All right. So before this, we can't walk in any place without anybody going, well, who's that? Right? It's always going to be like that. It's always going to be like that. But you know, I would imagine. Yeah. You know, I can imagine. Yeah. What's that like being 23. It's tougher for you being 23. And I'm still in the streets like a normal person. What does that mean? In the streets. I'm going to the mall. Okay. Going out to dinner. That's not the same street. No, it's not the same. You're not in the street. I am in the street. It's like I was when I was in Chicago. I'm like in the Wisconsin. Okay. Okay. In the suburb of Wisconsin. But because I have young children, we're trying to give them a normal experience. So I have to endure all of the. And now with a podcast and walking around with this face looking just like her, they're like, aren't you Michelle's brother? And it's like, yeah. And I say yes and keep going. Once one starts everybody. Yeah. And so you learn how to navigate it, but it is, it's an interesting way to exist. Yeah. Right. And it's been this way since really, since I've been coaching, you know, when you start coaching at the division one level, everybody knows you. But when you have children, you're going to go back to trying to give them a normal life. And maybe it's dies down. But you know, you'll be the host of a hit podcast. You'll probably have your own reality TV series. Cooking show that you can be a part of. I heard you're going to be on Hunting Wise. I am. Yes. I love that show. Hunting Wise is. So we, I told him a little bit about it. If you're on it, I'm a watch it. I'm a watch it. Cause you're on it. I can't have a little bit of one. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. Not a hate it. Just you're going to be surprised. Yeah. Yeah. So can you talk, talk about what role? What are you? You're a trainer. I'm a trainer. So Brad is going to Baylor. Okay. Um, say I have no idea what you all talk about. Yeah. I'm going to Baylor. So I'm going to watch the first season. Yes. You should. You should. You should just catch up. I should watch the first episode you hooked. How was the experience? It was so good. Was this your first like playing a role? So I did. Um, I worked with Idris Elba last two years ago. What? Tell us more. Excuse us. Idris Elba, come on. I am all the other one. We love him. He's the other one. Yes. I worked with him. And we can do it without Craig. Oh, that's wrong. Well, I like him. I don't care. It's Idris. It's Idris. So you worked with Idris. So I worked with him on House of Dynamite. It was a movie that became my own Netflix. Um, probably in October, December. Okay. I watched that. Um, and it was about like his presidency and he was actually in Chicago. And you guys have to watch it. I was in the end of it. I was a basketball player on the court and I was myself. Oh, okay. But it was really good. He's the best. Like when I met him, I was like, I love him and we've been connected since then. Um, but yeah, that's not gonna come on. I am a Michelle wants him on. I am. Idris. Idris. He's usually in London. So, okay. He'll come. Oh, we can tape in London. We'll take it to London. Let's take a lot of London. Oh, yeah. Yeah. But was it fun? Like being another character? It was fun. Did you train? Have acting training or what did you know? I just did it. I just did it. I believe. I believe it. It was fun though. Like it was really fun and I was on set and doing the normal things and just sing like the set life. That's a long day. It's such a long day. And you come on. And then all the angles and I have to do it again and again and again. Yeah. And it was really cool though. Like I really, really enjoyed it and I definitely would do it again. We are big dog lovers here at IMO. Everyone knows how important dogs are to myself and my sister's family. Pets just do so much for us. Companionship, emotional support, even getting us out of the house more. And when you really love your dog, you want to take the best possible care of them. That's something that Ollie really gets. They're all about that same level of care and attention. This isn't just dog food. This fresh meals made with high quality ingredients developed by actual chefs and backed by vet nutritionists. 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What are you wearing today? This is loewe. I love. And it's long. It's good. Well, you know, the first haul, they'll make it longer. I like that. And then we still may have to alter here or there, pull out a sleeve. But I think this was okay. I think they made it for me. If anybody cares, I'm wearing American tall. Yeah, that's all he wears. America tall is always good. It's American tall. You know, we want to get him another. And also, American tall needs to be a sponsor. So American tall. I think we shout you out all the time. This guy. I don't always wear it. I have other designers. We're trying to get a sponsorship. Okay, dude. Yeah, we are. So, I mean, pay attention. I wear most of the time. Pay attention. Have you done any fashion week stuff? Did you ever you ever done Met Gala stuff? I've been twice. You've been twice. Yeah, I've been twice. It's a crazy day. It seems like it. That seems a lot. Like, I don't know. That seems a bit much. And usually I fly in and fly out the same day because I have a game the next day or practice the next day. So usually I'll practice in the morning and then I'll fly out that same day, like 11 o'clock and I'll get there at like one, two o'clock and then it's go time. And it's like go. Like, they're stitching on me to hair and makeup. I've done hair and makeup on a plane before my first year. And then last year I went with Tom Brown and... Love Tom Brown. Love Tom Brown. So good. And it was just amazing. So, I'm looking forward to it again this year. Are you doing any of your own? Are you thinking about clothing? Yeah, I want to start a shoe line. Extended heel line for larger feet, larger sizes. So I'm looking forward to that and doing a little bit more stuff with makeup because I do a lot of blush and setting spray during the games and stuff. Yes, your face is beat. Thank you. You have a beat face for a game? Not beat, but I'll do like a little concealer and a little blush and keep it going. Excuse what's beat for the male listener. That's like the guys, okay, so like football like terminology, I mean you guys wear the little... Oh, eye black. Yeah, I guess. Yeah, but a beat, getting a beat on your face means that your face is so done. Your face is like done. Your face is clean like the makeup artist beat your face. Beat to the gods, your beat to the gods. So that's why having a good beat means your face is done and it's made up. Got it. Okay. Yeah, it's an adjective. It's beat. Thought it was a joke. Yes. But you do a little concealer? Yeah, I do a little concealer and a little blush and keep it pushing. How do you keep it on? Setting spray. Okay. All right. So you can... But I'm going to come out something soon. Like I'd use your setting spray. Okay. Because it's like, because if you can keep a face through a game, that's like you should definitely, everybody should want your setting spray. You don't have makeup on in the game, do you? Yeah, we're a little bit... We just said that. Where were you? I missed that. I didn't think you meant... He said you were a little something. I wear a little something. He was trying to... Just a little one too. Just a little one too. Just a little one too. I'm just saying, you know, listen, let's do that. Yeah. Tina Thompson just have the red lip. And this is why women, we are so amazing. Because in addition to being able to dunk and rebound, we got... Face card. We look cute on top of it. When have you, you probably don't even put lotion on. I put lotion on. Before a game. Well, no, because I'd be sweating and it was just sweating on. Yeah. Well, not us women. We want to figure it out, get it looking good all the time. All the time. Exactly. We catch attention. You said... No. Yeah. Queen, beautiful baller. And you got to watch out about towel and off. I mean, how do you manage the towel off? It doesn't... You just pat pat pat. I know, I'm aware. I'm going to watch you in the game before to see just... It doesn't ever slide down though, usually. You do a Beyonce pat. Yeah. Like, she can be totally wet. And it's like, how'd you keep your face on? Yeah. Yeah. Give her a little lip gloss on the bench. Me and the girls, yeah. Yeah. We're going to do it. We all have to keep our little lip gloss on the bench. So, I think... Well, somebody tell you when you get a little time back. I'm too busy watching the game. Girl, you're late. You're late. You got to get that together. But we'll get to our listener question. I have two questions. My first one is, how do you stay true to your purpose when the public expects so much from you? My follow-up question is, what would you say to young people like me trying to stay strong in a world that keeps testing us? I would just say, don't compare yourself to others. I think social media has us thinking that we have to rush and to do these things at a successful pace. And I feel like nobody's time is like God's timing. I think you go at your own speed. You went at your own speed. And like I said, social media has had us in this chokehold that you have to succeed at a certain time. Or if you don't, then you'll fail. And just don't compare yourself to others. I think you move at your own speed. Run your own race. And Mike doesn't work that way. That's not true. That's not how life works. If your lucky life is long, I think the most important thing to do in the thick of it is just being a good person. That lasts through everybody. It's like, think about how you show up in the world, how you treat other people. What kind of friend are you? Does your word mean anything? Do you have empathy for other people? Something that sadly feels like it's lacking today. Can you put yourself in somebody else's shoes and have a level of compassion for them? Because we got a lot of successful people out there, people who are billionaires in the world who are showing a lack of an ability to show compassion towards people who aren't like them or who don't have what they have. And that is worse to me than anything. And I want our young people to start focusing on the inside, right? Because that's all you have at the end of the day is how you show up in the world. Yeah. Well, Angel, gosh, you are an angel. It is true. It's true. What are you looking forward to next? Well, now I'm training for USA. And we're going to... I think you're going to make the team. No, no, I made the team already. But I think it's going to be fine, right? Yeah, it's going to be fine. It's going to be fine. We're going to Puerto Rico and playing soon. So first I'm rival. We won a championship and then go to Puerto Rico and win some more. Just enjoy life. Be happy. Yeah. 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