Summary
Rory and Mal discuss the ongoing T.I. vs. 50 Cent beef involving Damani, music industry dynamics, and recent album releases from Pimmy, Yebba, and Gnarls Barkley. The hosts analyze Cy High's 7-minute Good Music retrospective and debate artist loyalty, creative output, and industry relationships.
Insights
- Short-form project releases (17-40 minutes) are becoming a strategic market-testing tool for emerging artists rather than a sign of diminished output
- Artist loyalty in hip-hop is increasingly complicated by business relationships, mental health, and competing interests rather than simple friendship bonds
- Cy High's limited discography despite elite-level lyricism suggests systemic label prioritization issues during peak career moments of label heads
- 50 Cent's response strategy of embedding disses in TV content maximizes reach while maintaining plausible deniability and avoiding direct engagement
- The internet's perception of artists is heavily influenced by selective clip curation and stan culture rather than complete context or nuance
Trends
Short-form EP releases (15-40 min) as market validation strategy before full album commitmentsHip-hop beef monetization through streaming platform integration and TV/media placementIncreased scrutiny of artist loyalty and business relationships within label ecosystemsMental health and personal circumstances reshaping hip-hop narrative around creative outputSelective social media clips driving artist perception more than complete project analysisR&B/alternative genre blending with regional vocal influences (Southern soul/country tones)Producer-artist partnerships as primary creative drivers over label infrastructureStreaming algorithm awareness influencing project length and release strategy decisionsCelebrity security concerns and fan accessibility creating new safety narrativesIntergenerational artist mentorship and godparent culture in hip-hop
Topics
T.I. vs. 50 Cent Hip-Hop BeefDamani Artist Critique and Internet PerceptionCy High Good Music Retrospective AnalysisArtist Loyalty vs. Business RelationshipsShort-Form EP Release StrategyMusic Label Prioritization During Peak Moments50 Cent Response Strategy and TV IntegrationPimmy EP Review and Vocal PerformanceYebba Album Analysis and Genre BlendingGnarls Barkley Album ReceptionTy Dolla $ign Volume StrategyLil Uzi Vert vs. Ebro 10-Year RetrospectiveTravis Scott Feature Swap DynamicsSwizz Beatz Production ApproachCelebrity Home Security and Fan Accessibility
Companies
Good Music
Label discussed extensively regarding artist prioritization, Cy High's limited output, and internal dynamics during p...
Def Jam
Referenced as experiencing staff cuts during period when Cy High was working on major label projects
OVO Sound
Label strategy discussed for short-form EP releases with emerging artists like Pimmy as market validation approach
Roc Nation
Mentioned as having dedicated office for Lil Uzi Vert's creative development and artistic direction
Hot 97
Radio station where Ebro worked; discussed in context of 10-year retrospective with Lil Uzi Vert
Apple Music
Platform where Ebro's show relocated; discussed for podcast and music content distribution
Netflix
Streaming platform referenced for Kanye West documentary content
Louis Vuitton
Fashion brand discussed in context of Virgil Abloh's appointment and Kanye West's reaction
Nike
Brand referenced in discussion of Off-White partnership and Kanye West's business relationships
People
Damani Harris
Young rapper at center of T.I. vs. 50 Cent beef; discussed as beneficiary of increased attention and streaming
50 Cent
Responded to Damani diss with bars embedded in Power intro; strategy analyzed for business leverage
T.I.
Father of Damani; involved in hip-hop beef; discussed regarding family dynamics and artist management
Cy High
Elite rapper analyzed for 7-minute Good Music retrospective; discussed regarding loyalty and creative output
Kanye West
Central figure in Cy High's narrative; discussed regarding artist relationships, loyalty, and controversial statements
Pusha T
Good Music artist discussed in Cy High record; analyzed for loyalty and street-based value system
Travis Scott
Discussed regarding loyalty to Good Music, feature swaps, and relationships with Drake and Kanye
Jay-Z
Referenced in Cy High narrative regarding Kanye West's controversial statements about his children
Virgil Abloh
Deceased designer discussed in context of Kanye West's reaction to his Louis Vuitton appointment
Lil Uzi Vert
Artist discussed in 10-year retrospective with Ebro; analyzed for career trajectory and artistic vision
Ebro Darden
Radio personality discussed for 10-year-old prediction about Lil Uzi Vert that proved incorrect
Pimmy
Emerging R&B artist; 18-minute EP analyzed for vocal ability and lyrical content
Yebba
R&B/alternative artist; album analyzed for vocal range and genre-blending approach
CeeLo Green
Gnarls Barkley member; album discussed for dark lyrical content and chaotic sonic direction
Danger Mouse
Producer on Gnarls Barkley album; discussed for production approach and artistic vision
Ty Dolla $ign
Artist releasing music in volume format; discussed for strategic release approach
Swizz Beatz
Producer exclusively producing Stove God album; discussed for production style and artistic direction
Stove God Cooks
Rapper with Swizz Beatz-produced album; discussed for beat selection and melodic abilities
Rihanna
Celebrity whose home was shot at; discussed regarding security concerns and fan accessibility
Quotes
"I think Damani is. Absolutely. And I don't even. When I say winner, I don't mean winner because it wasn't really a battle. I mean, like, who benefited the most from this?"
Mal•T.I. vs. 50 Cent discussion
"The last 3 records that Cy High put out is the greatest example of elite rapping that I've seen in quite some time. There's a different level of you don't even realize how good he's rapping on this."
Rory•Cy High analysis
"I think there's a lot of amazing talent. I went through every single verse on the radar freestyle of the new generation. I think there's plenty of great new hip hop right now."
Rory•2025 hip-hop discussion
"If I'm T.I., I can't be like, hey, nah, say it, nah. Niggas said, I can't go. Oh, yeah. It's kind of bulletproof of like, yeah."
Mal•50 Cent bar analysis
"Saha is definitely a lot better than all of these rappers that y'all love. They just got material. And I understand it. They putting out work. But Saha is definitely a lot better."
Mal•Cy High discussion
Full Transcript
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If you're not in a good mood in New York City. Listen, they throwing out, baby. Get on the Paxil. They throwing out. Who's that? You know who they are. I don't know who they is. Please enlighten me, my love. The soft legs. The soft legs is throwing out. They throwing out. You had the knees out today? No, I have fully covered pants. Oh, okay. Yeah. Oh, it's Ramadan. I'm doing a lot. 75? 25? And the ice cream man is back. That is true. Seeing Mr. Softy uptown yesterday. Pause. Mr. Softy uptown. That might be a pause. Yeah, no, it's a pause. That might be a pause. That's a legitimate pause. I'm just saying, how do we say it? Should we say pause Mr. Softy? You could say pause Mr. Softy or you could just say the ice cream man. Like, we all assume it's Mr. Softy. Like, we don't need you to put a name to him. The ice cream man is back out. Unless you're calling Drake that, then I'm saying pause. Where his name even come from? Iceman? Ice Cream Man? Nah. Just leave him alone. Let him do what he's doing. I'm still trying to get over. I'm not calling him the boy Poppy. I'm definitely not moving over onto Ice Cream Man. No, no, no. Just Drake. Nobody asked for Drake's name right there. You know what I'm saying? Just put a beep. But yes, Ice Cream Man is back. That means, Baby D, the time is upon us. Spring is around the corner. You New Yorkers do this every year. It's around the corner. And then March come and whoop that ass. That is a fact. No, it's going to be 38 Friday. Yeah, yeah, yeah. March plays with our emotions a lot. Yeah, it's going to be 38 degrees on Friday. Because if this was 10 years ago, we would have been at blockheads and shorts. Yeah, nastiness. So somebody last night was short, and I was just looking at him like, fam, not yet. Not yet. Like, come on, shorts? No, I was uptown last night. It looked like Harlem summer in there. Shorts? People had three buttons now. Yeah, come on, come on. Y'all doing too much. Y'all going to be sick, coughing, pneumonia next week this time. I'm like, see, just relax, relax. Put the heavy, heavy, you can put the heavy, heavy, heavy coats away, but don't put the light little jackets. Don't put the jackets away yet. Keep the jackets in the closet. If you can hear, I am congested. That is because we went from 30 degree blizzard to 70 degrees within one week. And my body can't handle that. Just get you some ginger. My body is pretty sick. Eat your own people today and you'll be just fine. Not cannibalism. I guess that's not a pause. No, that's not a pause. I actually went outside and did something this weekend. I saw you on Mitch's story. What did you do, Rory? Please tell the people. Yesterday, I was kind of outside yesterday. It was a nice day. Stopped by. Marlon had a video shoot. Stopped by there first. Then I went to CJ and Tiana, who are Biggie's kids. They had a taste testing for the restaurant that they're opening called Big Papas, which was incredible. The food, I'm not just saying this. The food was incredible. West Indian. The steak was great Jerk wings were incredible Curry chicken was great It was a good time It was a good time All the Junior Mafia was there Even Kim was there Like it was It was cool to just see Everyone get together For Biggie's kids And I hope they open The restaurant soon Dope So it was a good time That's what's up Good hang Yeah Fire So Seas was in there Shit the locks Everyone was there It was a really good time That's dope man So what you was going On Mitch's story Hmm? Mitch's story Oh well once I left I mean cause Junior Mafia is probably the only adults that can out drink me. Like I told you guys on the rock, the bells cruise, I couldn't keep up with Jada kissing little C's and I can drink for real, for real. I can't drink till 6am till the sun comes up. Yeah. That's just not like Nino can still out drink a 35 year old man in his prime of drinking. So had a little, little de juice in me. So I was like, let me go uptown to shark bar, go see Mitch and major. And boy, did all the steam leave me once I got in there. I can't, I can't hang. Whole car ride, I'm pumped. I'm like, yo, I'm on my way. Yeah, you call me. I'm like, fam, I'm in the house. Like, I'm not going nowhere on a Sunday night. Like, I'm chilling. They was in there, though. Shark Bar is dope. Shout out to Shark Bar. Shout out to Mitch. If you're in Harlem on Sundays, go to Shark Bar. Shout out Mitch. Tell her we sent you. Tell her we sent you. Go uptown. Tell them that I sent you. Go uptown to Harlem. Tell Mitch I sent you. And Mitch is a hustler, man. I'm thinking, yo, it's coworkers, friends. Like, of course, I'm there to pay. I'm never somebody that shows up somewhere to support That means you wasn't there to pay Like when you say that Cause you don't gotta say that No but there's a lot of people that assume when they go to their friend's spot Yeah you're one of them I've never been that person You're a man I paid for the Russell's album and it's on DSP's I support I'm a supporter of my friends Mitch ain't even give a little friend discount Nah fam Yeah fuck you too much And I tipped her on cash I was like, God damn, Mitch. Pay that. Pay that. You know what I'm saying? Tapping my pockets. I like that though. I like going to see my friends at work and like, I'm one of those people. Like, if I go to your job, like you work here, I'm going to make sure I pay. Like, don't give me no discount. I'm going to pay the full price. Noted. You work here. And then Mitch had a few on her story before I got there. She was like, where do you want to sit? I was like, sit me next to people that was on your story just because they seem to be your friends. That's the only reason why I wanted to sit. She's like, Oh, they left. And I was like, well, that's why I came. Yo. Nothing worse than when you go to the party looking for the girl that's on the flyer. She ain't on the flyer. Like, she ain't even there. That's like, we don't even know that girl. You mean Rihanna's not here? You're like, Rihanna's not here tonight? Nah, fam. Those used to be the funniest, like, club and party flyers where they just throw any stuff. I'm like, why? Any pretty model just on there. It's like, yo, shorty's not here? Like, nah, fam. I don't even know who that woman is. But we are back. Sponsored by Boost Mobile Unlimited. It's all text and data. Absolutely. Did you do anything at all? This weekend? No, I kept it light this weekend. I ain't do much this weekend, man. I was chilling. I was going to go to the movies to see. What's that movie? I said I wanted to see it. Not Scream 7. The other movie. So I think it's another scary movie. I forgot the name of it. But I was going to go see that. But then I was like, eh. I just chilled in the house. Watched a few games. That was it. I ain't do much this weekend. Okay. When you called me, I was like already like settled in for the night. I was like, get dressed and go uptown. I was like, nah, man, let me sit in the house and chill. So that's what I did. Yeah, I didn't stay too long, but I rarely have time to go out. So I figured I'd go support and hang out for a little bit. Watched a good movie on Netflix, War Machine. I don't know if y'all saw that yet. I haven't. War Machine, good. It's a good movie. Definitely check that out on Netflix. War Machine was a really good movie. What is it about? So it's this guy, he's training to be a ranger, army ranger. But then like some crazy shit happens and they think that they're on like, because initially they were sent into like it was part like the last test to become a ranger and then some crazy shit ends up happening they think it's part of like the drill and the test come to find out it's like a killing machine that like crash landed on earth that they happen to run into in the middle of the woods and like now they gotta like like they're not even like real rangers yet you know what I'm saying so now they gotta use tactics they gotta become like rangers on the spot for real and like try to get back to the base like it's a good movie though I see Dennis Quaid is in it. I'm always here for Dennis Quaid. He always plays a good father figure in every movie. You know he's the general. I'm 100%. Definitely pulls one guy aside and makes him his son. Yeah, Dennis Quaid ain't running around doing stunts no more. Those days are over. He's going to have a concerned face while looking at the data the entire time. Yeah, exactly. I am caught up with Paradise. Spoiler alert. Please fast forward five minutes if you want to skip talk about Paradise and spoilers. All the way caught up? All the way caught up? Yes. So you bitch. Not including the episode that comes out today, right? Came out last night. Last night. I didn't see that one. So you're on four. You watched up to four. Yeah. Okay. You watched the first season? Okay. Yeah. You know what's so funny? When you guys talk about Paradise, I completely forgot I watched the first season. Okay. And then I went to like, oh, they keep talking about Paradise. I was like, oh, wait, I love the show. Yeah. Yeah. I didn't even know season two came up. But yeah, I've been in season two. I was in the beginning. I was like, all right, how many flashbacks are we going to fucking do? but they're tying it together with all the flashbacks. I like what they're doing. I was a little nervous on episode one. I was like, all right, man, what are we doing? I knew Shorty was going to get pregnant though. I was like, how irresponsible would it be to fuck at a time like this? It's a great, great, great story. And not pull out. I feel like you should pull out. Nah. Fucking whatever, but at least pull out. The world is in there? Nah. Leave that in there. For what? Pulling out for what? We all about to die. For what? What? What? I ain't gonna lie. If I was him, I would have left that baby with them people. Listen, and I don't care. Spoilers. You know how pissed off I'd be if I met a stranger and then the next day they dumped a newborn baby on me? Like, you selfish son of a bitch. No, but I mean in the scheme of what was going on, it makes sense, though. Like, everybody has to, like, just... Well, throwing a newborn into modern society right now can be a monkey wrench. What they're going through? Him trying to get to Atlanta. Here's a newborn baby. Well, it's the type of man he is. I don't think they would do that with you because you would obviously not want that. But he even taking the baby with him. Anybody else would have dropped that baby off, he's like, nah, I got it. That's just the type of dude he was. I done left my baby with him too. He promised he would take the baby to the father. Yeah. Because if the father wasn't going to Colorado, I'm sure he probably would have left that baby with the people at the house. Because there's no way you're just getting on a horse with a newborn and you can't even provide milk. We just spoiled it. For everybody that has not seen it, we just spoiled it. We're going to put a big spoiler alert. Peach, mark that. We're going to put a spoiler alert before we say that. All right, cool. I mean, I do feel like if we put out episodes four times a week, like just keep up with the shows. I don't want to wait six weeks to then talk about episode four. Yeah, and they're spacing out the drops just like once a week. So you should be caught up on Paradise by now. But either way, amazing show. And I like the cliffhanger. Did you guys watch the episode that came out last night? Yeah, I did. No, I didn't. Oh, shit. They left us on a little cliffhanger. Oh, wait till you watch episode five. When homie was like, your wife's my partner. I was like, oh, shit. She has a weird range of types. That's what you're thinking about. Not, oh my God, she's missing. This nigga like, nah, she moved on. Like, don't. And if you fucking my wife, don't call her your partner. I've been fucking your wife, though. He was gone. What you want from me? No. He said it the right way. He said it in the most respectful way he could. Well, I didn't know because the cliffhanger when he was saying partner, I didn't know if he meant like that's my, like, Maul's my partner. Like that's. You got to watch how you say that. But that's what I'm saying. It left it open ended. Very, very, very. And I thought because of his appearance, they were trying to make us think like, nah, she wouldn't fuck him. So that must be like, they must be the partner to save the world or something. No, you could tell that that romantically. Very different times. I can't say Rory's my partner. Can't say that. There has to be context. That's a co-host. According to the IRS, we are. No, we're business. Associates Not even partners We can't put partners in there Y'all are not business associates We're teammates We are much more than associates We are business associates We're teammates We're not teammates Mike and Scotty, no, we're not that Y'all own shit together Mike and Steve Kerr, no? No We are whoever owned the Bulls And whoever had the other 50% of it Okay. Y'all are business partners. Co-owners. Does partners sound nasty? And if I'm in a rush, I'm going to say partner. Ah, see? It sounds nasty. It sounds like me and him. But back in the day, he said my partner. My partner. I never said that. T.I. still says that. Yeah. My partner and him. T.I. still says that. Like three stacks and big boy are partners. For sure. They partners. Partners. Exactly. Partners. Those partners right there. But yeah. All right. Well, don't spoil that because I do want to watch. What I took from that, that they like were working on science together. like because he put a bunch of things before like that's my that's my people but it's also my partner keep watching it gets also that's bold to like when a husband comes with a gun a newborn and a horse at at sundown and you just walk out like yo i'm fucking your wife he didn't like that's not what he said but that's what y'all are saying that happened no that's what you were saying that happened i i think they're science lab partners i don't think they're fucking i think they're just people who you know are relying on each other when the world was in a crazy space fair they would They were trauma bonded. Yeah, they needed each other to kind of make it through. That's all. But great, great show if you are not watching Paradise. I don't know what you're watching right now, but definitely the best show on TV right now. Should we stay on the T.I. subject? It's never going away more. I'm sorry to say. Well, T.I., movies, TV, kind of same. It all rolls into one. It's a good segue. Yeah, T.I.'s been there. He's had his hand in all three of those lanes before, right? Yeah. Yeah, for sure. I think I'm going to answer this question myself. it's kind of a vain question do you think the internet hates me or loves damani i think they love damani okay i'm just curious wait why did you ask that though because y'all can't love damani this much because he's self-centered that's why it was playing around with the 50 shit i have a 50 bias and that clip went went sort of viral i did not know that like what what's his barbs because he has barbs he does or unless y'all just really hate me that much No, it's just... Domaniacs. Domaniacs. Yo, PG's hilarious. They're definitely the Domaniacs. Yo, get the fucking Domaniacs out of my fucking mentions. The Domaniacs. See, that's so lame. Yo, the Domaniacs is hard, though. The Domaniacs is fire. I'm fucking with the Domaniacs. But, Rory, you hating still. It's in your heart. You don't even know how to stop it. I like Domani. No, you keep trying to convince us of that. I'm not quite a Domaniac, but I think he's a good rapper. No, I'm a Domaniac. I'm jacking it. You even asking, does the internet just hate me? Like, or do they really like Damani? Why can't you just understand that people disagree with you on his first diss? People disagree with you. Oh, no, that's fine. People hate him, though. We can say that, too. People hate him. That's fine, but that's not what... If that was the response, I would completely... I wish we could go back to a world where we just go, you know what? We disagree on music, and then we can continue on with our lives. Oh, no, that world is long. That world is long gone. The Damaniacs are on some K-Bot, O-V-Ho type shit right now. Like I did not expect to get the same amount of backlash just by saying it was a diet meet the grams. It's not just because you said it was a diet meet the grams. Because you said it was a diet meet the grams. You were very obviously hating. Like you were very obviously hating and people called you out on being a hater. Why can't we just like have fun anymore? Was I really? Do you think I was really the way Damani was losing sleep? Do you think I was really losing sleep? He can't do it. He can't help it, Peach. He can't help it. Is it hating or is it just he hated the song? I didn't hate the song. Okay did you hate The type of song Like the energy of the song Like Cause you said diet What meet the gram He was like this is And he didn't just say This is you know It's a meet the grams ass This some diet Meet the grams bullshit Is a direct quote Yeah no I said that No I don't 100% said that Hey but look though What's wrong I have to tip you on eggshells About talking about Damani's music I can't just fucking Joke around on a podcast You don't have to tip On eggshells But he did a good job He's getting eyes That he never had before And people called you out On being a hater but you're Mr. Purest Hip Hop and always wants some new, we have no talent, new hip hop shit. Get that nigga, Baby D. You got some pure hip hop and because of your fucking bias, you sat up there and hated it and downplayed. This is how you start acting when it's 70 degrees out. I don't like to be misrepresented because I said 2025 was one of the best years of hip hop that we've had in a really long time. I think there's a lot of amazing talent. I went through every single verse on the radar freestyle of the new generation. I think there's plenty of great new hip hop right now. Fight back. So please, do not try to paint me as that person that thinks hip hop is in some terrible space right now. I think there's plenty of great artists, including Damani. But because I think he's talented, he should still be on the same fucking level of critique. That's fine. We just critiqued Bruno Mars. Now he can't critique Damani? Fight back. That's fine. I'm sorry, should we treat him special? Should we put him over here? And he's above any critique. He's above me cursing. He's above a joke. He's above me having a 50 bias. No, it has nothing to do with that. It's because Damani's a Nepo. baby. No, it's not even that. The nigga barely has fans. I thought you said that. No, that's not what I said. That's not what I said. And that's what you're seeming to misconstrue. You're trying to make it out like it's his fans calling you a hater and giving him backlash. He doesn't even have a big enough fan base. These are casual fans of hip. You're contradicting yourself. So they hate me and don't like him. Let me talk. These are casual fans of hip-hop that are telling you that you're hate. Peej is not a Damani fan. Peej had in here and said the diss is fire. Everybody agreed that the diss is fire. The reason why you got so much backlash is because you are one of the only people who downplayed the diss. A bunch of casual fans said, oh, I didn't know about Damani. This is fire. It's not just his super fans critiquing you. It's not. It's okay to be on the wrong side of history. Just sit on the wrong side of history. What history book is the Damani in 50 Cent P going to be in? The wrong side of history. There will be Russia Ukraine, Palestine and Israel, Damani and Curtis Jackson. What side will you be on at the end of the day? The wrong side of history. What side was Lindsey Graham on? The wrong side of history is crazy. It's okay to be wrong, baby. You hate being wrong. Okay, see, why can't you quote everything? Yes, I did say this is some diet meet the Grams bullshit. Can you also say the other quote where I said, Damani can rap and this is good? He did say that. To be fair, he did say that. I said this is a good thing. But they only hear it. only here when you say you don't like it or the negative things I was saying. Well, actually, that means nothing coming from Rory because whenever Rory hates or critiques something, he starts because he doesn't want to piss everybody off. He starts with, well, let me just say that, you know, this is just my opinion and they're great and shout out to them and I appreciate everything they do for the culture, but followed by hate. Every time. This is my thing. Why is it considered hate, though? Nah, you niggas was hating. I didn't even say nothing about it. The way Rory came in, it was hate. Like, the way Rory came in, it was hate. And if Damani was dissing anybody else, that wouldn't have been the term that he chose. All right, I do admit my bias. I promise you I wouldn't. It's because shy money. Yeah, like, and that's okay. That's okay. He's still with a tank top, a G-unit tank top. Well, first of all, they fit very well. They're great to work out. Those shits was always ugly. Crazy. Crazy's blank of all time. Where did they find that white beater blank? Oh, my God. I can't believe we're talking about Damani. No, I honestly, even though I have a 50 bias, my biases really don't bleed over into this podcast the way you may think i re he really could have been dissing anyone i would have said this is some meet the gram shit and which pidge left out of that clip you even agreed when i said all right so you think when damani and all his people came in the studio he didn't say yo i got him on some meet the gram shit and hit space bar no i did not agree with you i said somebody might in the studio might have compared it but i did not agree he said that mal did i mean if meet the grams didn't exist and we heard that it's like okay, that's hard. But Meet the Grams exists. That's the only thing that was kind of like, okay, I get it. I preferred that over Meet the Grams, though. Meet the Grams was one of my least favorite songs out of that battle. Okay. I preferred that over Meet the Grams. But anyway, Damani has come, 50 Cent responded, right? So we lost our bet. We thought 50 Cent wasn't going to respond. Yeah. Did you respond, or was it like just a cool way of kind of like, it wasn't a full response. No, it wasn't a full response, but he responded. It was He responded the way. It was a bar. He responded the way 50 would reply, which is something that's going to benefit my business. 50 writes the intros for all the power series. He got Leon Thomas on the new power that's about to come out. And 50 replied. You could probably tell that he wrote that and then was like, you know what? We're going to add in four bars real quick to a song that I already cut. he said your daddy made your mama eat every box in Atlanta so that is a reply and in 50 fashion I know he's thinking his diss is going to play every week on a streaming service now but I mean we know we know Damaris is going to go back to the Damani diss every day it'll have a lot of replay value but this will be on tv every week it was a clever clever way of doing it it wasn't a full song dedicated. Because I think that he even posted something, was it yesterday? Saying that I'm never, he said I'm not entertaining or making no songs or some shit like that. Whatever 50 posted. So this was a clever way of doing it. It was a clever way, like y'all gonna, Power, people gonna watch it every week. You're gonna hear the theme song. We know when Power first came out, that theme song, was it Joe and I? They said, this is a big rich time. I think it was originally Trey and then it ended up being Joe. No, it was Joe and then they put Trey on it. Oh, okay. And that week everyone said, No. And then the following week, they put Joe back on the show. So people know that the power intro song is, you know, everybody's going to watch a big show. Everybody's going to watch it. So this was a very clever way of responding, but not dedicating an entire, like, moment and giving somebody that light and sharing the stage with somebody. So I liked it. I was like, okay, that was clever. I didn't anticipate 50 doing that, but that was very clever. Here's where I'm going to prove you guys wrong with my bias. I understood 50 not replying to TI and all his kids. Like, 50 has not been thinking about music for quite some time. He only pops up to do intros and shit. But if you're going to put something, we're going to throw a little shot in your power intro and then also put out a record with Max B the following day. You're active. You got seven people shooting at you. I don't know if a line is going to get it done. I know 50 doesn't give a fuck. This is me just talking as a fan. I'm on the side of either Really reply or just be quiet Or just troll on IG Like you always do Cause now you rapping Like Damani put out a record right after And I think he had every right Pull up 50's last post on Instagram I mean it might not be the last post but While I did like His meet the Jacksons I did not like Damani's reply To 50's shot Damani replied already? He replied immediately. As he should though. Because 50 started rapping. But at this point, like don't even, don't halfway step in the ring. I think it's funny that this is going to play on TV for weeks on weeks on weeks. But, and you got Leon Thomas, one of the biggest R&B artists right now on it. Like it was a good move, but everyone else has been rapping, man. You can't just throw one little shot. He said, I'm sorry, no response to retarded ass rappers who can't write a hit to save their lives. Moving right along, short bus shorty. so I mean you know that's what 50 he's letting you know right there like I'm not I'm not entertaining that I'm not giving nobody a stage to perform on and let them try to stand in front of me and battle and all of this like that's not where 50 is at like you know and he's making it clear so this was a clever way of that's hate what that can't write a hit that's hate you gotta say that Demonic has a hit let it go Rory I love my son me I didn even know what he was talking about He just won let it go You're not allowed. No, you got to say Damani has a hit. You know that King hit. That's hate. You're not allowed to say that? Yo, 50's a hater, though. Rory hate when people don't agree with him. Like when the internet don't agree with him and bother him. No one in this room ever agrees with me. He can't sleep at night like Damani. Like when the internet don't agree with him. Sometimes I think about it if my opinion died in vain. Oh my God, man. Wow. I swear to God, I'm really just messing around. No, I know. I don't think none of this shit is serious. But yeah, I think this is over. I don't think 50 is going to reply. I think he said his piece, put out a record with Max B. I don't think Damani is going to keep going. I think King is done. Even T.I., didn't T.I. say he had to discipline his kids to be like, yo, stop doing that shit with his mom on the shirts? Oh, I didn't see that. I think even T.I. was like, let's chill. I think he did say that he didn't know. He didn't know that his kids had all these responses. Oh, Damani said that his dad didn't know that his kids had these responses planned. And then I saw King that had a weed brand or something with Sabrina's picture on there. Like, whatever. I mean, you're allowed to reply. You didn't start the shit. 50 did. So it is what it is. But I think this is finally, I think this is the last episode we'll be covering. I hope this is the last episode that we'll be covering from the T.I., the Harris family versus. Harris versus the Jackson. Yeah. I hope this is the last one. Like, I get it. It was a cool, you know, that was cool. But it's not. People don't really want to see this. People don't really. So who's the real winner out of all of this? Damani. Damani is. I think Damani is. Absolutely. And I don't even. When I say winner, I don't mean winner because it wasn't really a battle. I mean, like, who benefited the most from this? I think it was Damani. I think it introduced him to a lot. People now know how dope he is. And I like that. Also, T.I. I mean, T.I. has a big record out right now. He's about to put out an album. Even though he said that he didn't plan on doing this, this wasn't part of rollout. It definitely brought more attention. Yeah. So, I mean, the Harris's did win, but also 50 did too. Even though Leon Thomas is already on that record. And of course, it was going to be somewhat of a thing. It was bigger because he said that your daddy major. I would have never heard that song elsewise. I would have never known there was a Powers Origins coming out elsewise. Oh, there's a big group of people that do like are any power book that comes out. Oh, yeah. No, for sure. Power is super popular. And the intro is always a really big deal as well. And a lot of low, T.I. can't even respond to that bar. I mean, if it's kind of like. If it's conceptual, that's a stat to me. No, but I get the bar. Me too. That's the first thing I talk. If it's all consensual, that's a stat. No, but listen, I get it, but he ain't say T.I. name. He just said your daddy had your mama eat every box in Atlanta. That's what he said. Well, who do you think he was referring to? It don't matter who I think he was referring to. If I'm T.I., I can't be like, hey, nah, say it, nah. Niggas said, I can't go. Oh, yeah. It's kind of bulletproof of like, yeah. Yeah, it's like the way 50 barred that. It was like, bro, if you jump out there and respond to that, Like you just It's like you waiting Anything that may be Directed towards you You jumping on it Like he didn't That wasn't like Tailored for T.I. That could be anything That could be That could be part Of the power origins That could be part of The show he ain't seen The show yet That shit had nothing To do with the rest of the song Like he threw that shit In there we all know What he was talking about You think he's talking to Tommy I'm just saying I'm just saying We don't know We do know Maul And that's okay There could be a character In power origins There could be a character In power origins That you know was moving, waiting in Atlanta. We don't know yet. The show didn't come out. So that's what I'm saying. T-I, you got it. That's why that's very slick, very witty of 50 to do it that way. Because it's like, if you jump out there and jump at that bar, you just itching for a moment. Like now it's looking like IFM, you just thirsty for a moment now. Because that could be for anybody. I get the optics of it, but that could be for anybody. I didn't know you're trolling right now, but come on. I'm just saying it could be though. It's not. I'm just saying, we don't know. If I'm T.I., I wouldn't jump at that bar. Oh, no. I'm with you on the point of it's kind of, if you reply to it, that is like, okay, so, did you? There's no point in replying, but we all know who he's talking. That isn't like some hidden rumor that people don't know. That's a well-known document, legally documented thing. I'm just saying, he can't jump out there and respond to that. But he already said he was chilling. He was done with everything. And Nabar wasn't to T.I. Nabar was to Damani. It was a diss to Damani. Yeah, but it's about his It's about his dad But it wasn't He wasn't addressing But yeah I get it But no I think They were the winners Out of This entire thing Of who got The most notoriety Yeah I'm with you there But I mean now Follow up with some music Yeah And King can follow up With some IG videos Like dude Get it how you live man Yeah Damani we wanna We wanna hear from you I can't speak for the rest Of these hating ass niggas But we wanna hear We wanna hear more from you Who's these hating ass niggas If you not a hating ass nigga don't jump out at that bar. I'm not jumping. I asked a question. I said, who's these hating ass niggas? Yeah, we were. Hating ass niggas. We just want to know. We anybody. Oh, okay. I thought you sounded like you was Taylor shooting that. Nah, nah. Anybody. Power universe. That's what's up. Damani got a lot of haters out here. Yeah. And a lot of fake supporters. A lot of fake supporters want to hear you now too, Damani. That's the other thing. Yo, everyone that was in my mind. Alright, when he drop a single, I better see flame emojis in his IG. That shit better go platinum. You niggas better be streaming that shit as soon as Damani drops. I'm going to stream it. I'm gonna listen too Soon as Damani drop You niggas better be streaming You gonna stream it Waiting to hate Waiting to hate No we wanna hear We wanna hear what Damani's doing Alright see I can be honest With my hate If King drops something Yeah I'm gonna be sitting there Waiting to hate Cause King makes me laugh Damani I think is a good rapper I'm not waiting to hate I hope it's good King is funny to me Like I wanna see I wanna see King Give us some more And like Zip said Where Major at? Yo Major is Major makes like Soul old school Like soul country music No, that's no, sorry, wrong brother. They have an older brother that makes Buddy Red. Buddy Red makes like soul country. That's his soul ass name? Is Major making music too? No, I don't think Major makes music. 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I just hate he don't put out enough material to be in the rest of these conversations. Because a lot of these niggas that y'all be saying is dope and nice. These niggas is not that. They just got material. And I understand it. They putting out work. But Saha is definitely a lot better than all of these rappers that y'all love. Damaris I noticed Your chin got a little tight When we were complimenting The rap ability Of Saha the Prince No I didn't Okay I have nothing against Saha He's a really good writer Did you listen to the record? Mmhmm Nah that mmhmm's hate Yeah no That mmhmm's hate Y'all keep trying to make me y'all We call it hate out We call it hate out It's 70 degrees We call it man I'm not hating on Saha Y'all keep trying to make me y'all I'm not y'all Like I'm not a hater You a hater You a hater Who I hate They got you big hatin' last year Who I hate it for HDN. Nah, I was being a good producer and making y'all show better. I wasn't hating. Oh, shit. I wasn't hating. Let's really be real. Let's really be real around here. I took the fall, but I did what I had to do in a moment of importance. Making y'all show better. She fell on the sword. Let's just be honest. Let's be real. I'll allow some of that, but let's not act like Peage didn't take you out of context to really make it go viral. Exactly. But I ate that. But I ate that. I ate that. What else were you supposed to do? But I ate that. It was out already What could you do? The fuck? I ate that Even though niggas giggled and laughed Giggled and laughed I went to defend you And then really fell on a sword Niggas giggled and laughed Even though they knew it was out of context You know Laugh at emojis times 10 But we moved past that as a family Clearly we have We moved past that as a family I forgot about the laugh at emojis I know I was foul for that We moved past that as a family You was laughing like that I was I'm laughing again like that We moved past that as a family, but you know, I'm a hater. Yo. Behind closed doors. We're like the Harrisons. We got to move as a unit in the public. Yo, that's mad funny. My bad. I'm sorry. I'm back. But no, I feel like sometimes it's a little side. The last two records we talked about, you kind of was like, all right. Oh, I'm sorry. Would y'all like me to like hit my knees? Like, it's good. Like, I'm not. I don't like side. High is good. I've never said he was bad. I have good. Okay. Where do we want to start? We're going to start with me popping it off Yo That was crazy I popped the record off It's pause worthy It's definitely pause worthy I got Saha in that mode I don't even think he was going to do this until I asked that question For sure, no, yeah, definitely You want to know how stupid I am? It took me to the third listen To realize that I was on the intro I listened to it three times and didn't realize that that was me. I can see that. He probably wasn't locked and listening like that to just talking. He's been here rapping. On the first one, I heard me ask that question and thought to myself, that's a good question. I would ask that. Fucking idiot. No, I'm not making, I was like, I wonder what Saha's top five albums are on good music. That's funny. Yeah, that was from our interview, BT Awards probably. When we were in Atlanta, maybe two, three years ago? When we interviewed Saha? No, I didn't call that one in. That was from a new Rory Mall episode. Oh, yeah, yeah, yes, yes. I didn't call that one in. Isn't that funny? I remember that. Yes, yes. Good conversation. But, I mean, he starts it out with, before you go down this lane, make sure your soul is trained. One of the hardest bars I've heard. When he started the record with that, I was like, oh, okay. I see what time we're on. So Gina asked questions about each artist, but the first verse is more so, I think just given kind of a back history. I never knew that he was supposed to be on Watch the Throne. I can understand why he was taken off of it. He's allowed to feel away, but I can see them going like, listen, it's Frank and Beyonce, and we don't really want any rap features. It's supposed to be Jay and Kanye. I can see that one and be like, I get it. If there's some other rap features in there. Yeah, that makes sense. But it's B and Frank. We're just not doing that right now. Because if that's the case, we got to get Sean. We got to get all this. I would like to know more about him being taken off of Detroit too. Yeah. Which he does get into his relationship with Sean. But to me, that was very odd. Because I highly doubt it was a bad verse. No, Saha is not giving you a bad verse. But he was a little vague on the Sean relationship. Because even Gina came in after and said, I didn't think you and Big Sean got along very well. But I don't know. That's a weird relationship that I would actually like to ask. That's the only one I left this song not being clear on. Of really where he was at with Sean and that entire thing. Because why the fuck would you be left off Detroit 2? Yeah. Like you're just pulling my verse off that shit. Then he gets into Travis on the second verse. And this is where I fuck with Saha. His loyalty to shit That he even disagrees with I highly respect When you're with somebody You're with somebody Travis did develop a habit Of letting everyone diss them That's hard Like barring it like that My nigga Travis somehow Developed a habit Of letting niggas diss us I've never heard a rapper say that Like you developed a habit Of letting niggas diss us Like Rappers don't even Like that That's what I'm saying with Saha Like the way he like pin shit like just simple shit like that is what makes this nigga so ill now i remember when everyone was killing push during the clips run because he dissed travis on the clips album then on interviews was was talking about it and was talking about when they were in paris he came to play the album but didn't play drake's verse which i thought was unfair because we found out later that that drake verse was recorded the day before travis's album came out there was no verse when he played that for Pharrell in the clips in Paris. But being somebody like Saha and Push, I can see them feeling a way of you playing both sides a little way, like too much. I can understand, be like, this is not my beef, but you'd be piling crazy with both sides. This added even more to it because I thought Push was being, you know, a little extra on it, but I understood it. But now that I can see Saha is like, Like, you just keep letting people diss us on records with you. Like, what the fuck are we doing at this point? Like, how your biggest record, you got Drake talking about pulling up to our man's crib. He dropped out. No, that's your brother-in-law. Like, your kids are cousins. Like, what are we doing right now? He dropped out to school of Donda and went and left for Degrassi. Correct what he did in fashion, but she just looked hella tacky. When I helped him with his album, it went like 11 platinum, but I still didn't get my swapping he mad that I'm even asking. Yeah, man. I get it. Is Sickle Mode Travis's biggest record? I don't know the stats, but I would assume. Definitely. I mean, Travis has a lot of antidote. There's a goose bump. I'm sure there's a lot. But Sickle Mode is like diamond. If I did all that writing for you, because Astroworld's I remember when Astroworld came out, you and I both could pick the songs that we knew Saha penned. And then we looked at the credits and were right about everything. Like you could tell that Saha was writing the shit. Yeah, I think it's a little weird because I've seen Travis give verses, beats, swaps to a lot of artists that have done nothing for him or aren't even at a level that they could get a Travis verse. So to not give Saha one, I would definitely feel a way. Yeah. And I'm writing a record for you and then you get Drake on the shit to diss us? That's fucking like you're being played like Drake is playing you right now or he's not. And that's your man's and you're giggling with him. Yeah. I mean, that's in that type of scenario, in that situation, they can get a little like a little sticky because it's like, obviously, this is the home team. And, you know, Drake and Ye have a little back and forth. So if he's throwing shots at Ye on your song. It does look crazy. But what you gonna say Like nah Drake don't say that Well I mean that's why I think Saha Killers If I got a verse from Drake Shit I'd be hella happy But I can't let him Dis bro on the shit It would probably never happen Travis might say that Saha's loyalty is What has been keeping His career down For so long Which he gets to with When he gets to the Push verse Of just how they grew up And that's the only shit When we sat with Pusha T We questioned some of that And he said I don't This is how I was raised My loyalty just doesn't move the way maybe some of y'all's does um but again i understand travis to some degree it's not my beef but not like we're spending thanksgiving together like our kids are cousins this is this isn't just like right like yo we see each other at the club like that's a different level of family in my opinion but i know travis doesn't really speak but he's been accused of this by so many people within that circle, I would like to hear his side of it. Not that we're owed that, but... Yeah. Why does everyone in that crew feel like you have been playing not even both sides, just that side? And you were supposed to be with us, and we've all helped your shit to the best of our ability. That's all. Has Travis ever... Has he ever spoke about this? No, not really. Like, just like, in general, just like, you know, doing songs with Drake when obviously Drake and Ye. I don't think he's ever spoken on it. I mean, I think, I think Travis is kind of, even though he is associated with good music and that, I mean, he does have his own crew. I don't know if he sits and hangs out with good music like that. I think Kanye was an idol of his and he definitely wanted to work with him. But I mean, you know, he has his circle of kids. He grew up with Chase and everybody like he has his crew. So maybe he's viewing it like. I'm not we're like music so maybe I just think it's a little different when our kids are cousins but maybe he's viewing it that way yeah like okay si I I paid you you got your pub like I don't know if I owe you well actually no si I said he didn't it was a swap it was a swap yeah he didn't even get any money yeah if I didn't get paid for sicko mode and you're not giving me a swap I'm gonna feel away I know I'm losing my mind like feel like of course he got pub on but if you didn't even give me an upfront fee and we yeah no no i can't write sicko mode for you and you don't give me a swap i'm not writing sicko mode and trying to get no swap i want the money from that shit i don't know he got he got pub yeah no matter like legally he has to get pub no matter what he didn't like ghost write it he wrote it but shit and you not even give me some of the master on it yeah yeah i ain't gonna lie yeah we might have a little issue though i ain't gonna lie a big issue fuck a little one. Yeah. I need my verse, homie. And that's where this shit is kind of fucked up because you probably in creative mode. Like, man, I just gave him another. I shouldn't even have to ask. You just thinking like, no matter what, when I need something, Travis will be right there. You would think so. I know. You would think so. Yeah. But unfortunately, we know that's not how this game goes and the industry don't work like that all the time. No matter what your relationship is with people, you know, it's just not going be the way you anticipate it going. It's always going to be some fuck shit going on. That's just the music industry. How did you feel about the Cudi-verse? Verse 3, Gina asks, what about the man on the moon? Psy's not really speaking to his relationship with Cudi, but more so Kanye and Kid Cudi. If you guys do remember when Pete Davidson was dating Kim Kardashian, Pete and Cudi are close and it appeared like Cudi had taken Pete's side in that entire thing. And so I say, what if a dope fiend was around one of his kids' buddies and their mama got hooked on it? I mean, I want to say that's not fair to say, but Pete Davidson has been very open with his drug abuse. And I don't think, I don't know Kim Kardashian, but I highly doubt that Kim was allowing drugs around her kids. But I see that at that point. And I could see Kanye even in not excusing the the mental state he was in at the time and i think he was just mad that pete was fucking his wife but yeah i'd feel a way if someone openly is talking about their their drug use and is around my kids and you and you're getting my kids tattooed on you after a week who's the mentally ill one here right granted i i think objectively kanye was also filled with jealous rage which which a lot of men would be and he didn't handle that well and i don't know it's great to have somebody that is in a mentally ill state around their own children at certain times. I'm not saying Kanye was a saint in that, but no, I would feel a fucking way that my man Cuddy's my man's and you hanging with somebody is getting my kids tattooed on their skin after a week of meeting them. Yes. A little weird. A little. Yes. Weird. I, I guess I view that drastically different. I like that. That side, I kept that very brief throughout the entire thing. Cause yeah. How would you feel? going into the Pushaverse, how did you feel about that? It was kind of what I expected, I suppose. I mean, again, us sitting with Push and questioning him about good music stuff and him talking about his pedigree and how he was raised, how he moves within that. He doesn't expect everyone to move the same way he does based off the morals that we're giving to him in the situations that he was in. Didn't shock me that Saha and Push got together. After the first three verses are nothing but Artistry mess We get to push He like that my man Yeah But that I feel like when it comes to artists and them being weird and creative people be weird sometimes And especially if they weren't raised in street environments, their loyalty and their outlooks on life do be weird and different. That's why the entertainment industry is so fucking weird. because it's full of people who were never raised in certain ways that people like me and you or Ma or Pusha T and Sighi were raised. I mean, because even... But he spoke about that. He said our loyalty came from, you know, being in the streets. Like, that's what he learned about loyalty. So, I mean, they share that. They share a lot of the same, you know, outlooks and views on certain things and certain things as men we just don't, you know, sway on. And, you know, it's loyalty. It's honor. It's respect. It's integrity. morals and things like that. I mean, I wasn't expecting him to rap about Pusha and be saying anything other than not. We still fuck with each other. We still cool. I did laugh, though, at Saha having a fisherman sees another fisherman moment on tour when he realized Pusha T was bending his hangers like he was cooking up coke. Imagine being in the green room like, oh, okay. Nah, he no ball. Oh, alright. Yeah, yeah. No, I understand. yeah but i'm happy to know that they do still have like a strong relationship yeah and again that wasn't surprising to me i would never think that push ever charged for his verse on no dope on set like i would never even think push would would do that with home team like yeah all that it's just funny it was like a breath of fresh air halfway through the thing like oh this is how shit it's supposed to go y'all good y'all look cool somebody because when gina said i know you and Pusha T have a good relationship, right? I was like, oh God, no. We're about to hear something crazy. Holy shit, no. Listen, Saha, this is fire. I like the visual for it. You know what I mean? Breaking every bar, you're giving the visual of the bar, going whether it's a loaf of bread, whatever it is. I love that. All of that is fire. Saha, you my nigga. You know I love you. If we don't get a fucking album through, come on, man. I'm telling you, this is just a glimpse of what Saha does. This is easy for Saha. This is nothing. This is like, Saha is really one of the greatest pins and greatest rappers that we have. I'm just mad he don't have the material to back that. No Dope on Sundays, to me, to me, I'm not speaking for you, but to me, classic. I said this last episode. It's a personal classic to me. If he had two more albums out, let's not even say they was better than No Dope on Sundays. Let's say they was just either on par or a little, less than no double on time. He would be in the same conversations with a lot of these other rappers and MCs as being the best out right now. But in listening to this whole record, do you kind of see why he hasn't had the output that he's put out? Oh, no, I get it. Sometimes I felt like maybe it's something Saha didn't want and he preferred. Because we've messed up. I get it. He definitely has a, I want to be behind. Like, he doesn't want to be in the limelight. He doesn't want to deal with the mess. Yeah, like he wants to do his own. But he's dealing with the mess of the music business. I was about to say, don't say you don't want to deal with the mess of the music business. and then you just you dropped it i know i'm saying more of the mess of of fame and being out there constantly being on the road like i think sometimes he likes to just lay low make his money but you can see now all the insane shit that was happening behind the scenes that we could all assume we just didn't know no one ever thought that good music was some well-oiled working machine we always knew there was some bullshit there but i never knew exactly why sci-hi was not having the output that I felt that he should yeah and I mean it also goes back to being signed to somebody that's in the peak of their career like you going through the gift and the courage all the albums and artists that he's talking about look at this timeline watch the throne my beautiful dark supposed to fantasy astroworld like look at the projects that he's working on at this time and I don't think good music had the uh biggest of staffs and Def Jam got cut in half at that time I'm like, nah, I don't know if anyone was putting Cy High as a priority outside of helping them with their shit. Yeah. Which goes back to my conversation about how I might understand Travis's disloyalty. He had, I believe, a pub deal with Good Music, which again, he was helping Kanye, helping people out. But he put everything out through Sony. like he was never he was never common big sean side tiana like that that was never a thing so my on the loyalty side to your point i think it's more loyalty on friendship than it is loyalty because i'm signed to uh good music like i've helped you on this that's your kids cut like to me it's more of a loyalty friendship thing yeah rather than anything good music related um I thought the Virgil the Virgilverse was interesting and I don't want this to be a defend Kanye moment the way that some of this record came across but one of my favorite Drake bars in Duffy Freestyle is I'd never have a Virgil in my circle and hold him back because he makes me nervous while that is just a battle bar that is kind of how a lot of us felt when Virgil got the LV deal and how Kanye reacted to it whereas we were assuming he was about to be really happy for his mans and it came across as some jealousy shit. Did it not? Yeah, definitely. And I think Kanye, and again, not excusing him, but Kanye has, I think some difficulty, ironically coming across the way he's thinking in his brain. This did give some insight of maybe how Kanye actually felt. He felt like LV may have been using Virgil in that instance, when he was beefing with them. Also with Nike, when Off-White happened. And I don't know any of this, and I'm not going to ever speak, especially for somebody that has passed. Rest in peace to Virgil. Maybe this was really Kanye's point of view, and it did not come across that way. It landed a little different. It landed way differently. It landed a little different. That, nah, they're using my friend. The anger is more towards LV than it would be to Virgil in that instance. And if I was Virgil in that time, I would feel like, aren't you supposed to be my one of my best friends you help me but you're not even happy for me like this is i get announced as the first black man of the what was his exact title it was head of yes louis vuitton creative right it's the same role that um pharrell has now yeah i always thought kanye looked insane for that but maybe this is really how he felt that they were using virgil while he was beefing with them and just placed him there instead was and the same same with Nike. We've heard his back and forth with that. I'm not saying Kanye West is right. It's just a different perspective. Did Saha say that Kanye will tell you that he hates your sofa and then help you decorate your whole house? That's funny though. And this is where I'm going to give some pushback to Saha. I do hate that Kanye says things that none of y'all won't. He says the things you're thinking. Nah, that's not true. everything Kanye said I wasn't thinking in my head and it was like dog I'm too scared to say it but see that goes back to what we was talking about at the top with with if you don't agree with something it's considered hate you see what I'm saying it's like is it considered hate like why can't I just be like nah I don't like your couch oh fair I'm gonna help you that's the couch you like all right but then you got to put this in here you got to you got to dress up you got to have this type of carpet this type of these type of arts on your walls you got to put this type of lamp and like so it's not it may come across like this nigga hating on my couch okay but the nigga also did help you just deck your whole spot out now the whole shit look different to look yeah it's fly it's not hey it's it's i want to help you yeah like it's not but it comes from an asberg i don't like what you just did with this couch but all right cool that's what you're going with all right let me let me help you out but that sounds that sounds good but like then you get to Gina saying, what do you say about Jay-Z? I'm with you. If Kanye's talking about taste or certain things, cool. But Kanye's also said some insane things. For sure. About Jay and Beyonce's kids. Oh, 100%. Things he could never come back from. Yeah. And this was the only, verse 7, I let the shit slide with the couch thing, and I know Cy obviously sees Kanye West in a way different space than all of us. He really knows him. We only see what we see. I've been around people deemed lunatics. I'm like, no, if you get to know them, I promise they're not even like that. That's just what you see. I can identify with that. So I'm cool. I'll let that slide. But then when Gina asked about the Jay-Z shit, he said, yeah, I'm not a fan of it, but you see the way they was shitting on him back in the day. Nah, those things don't add up. No, no. Nah, I appreciate that Saha said I'm not a fan of what he did to Jay. I don't think Saha ever would be. Calling their kids what Kanye said is there's no defense on that. But nah, I didn't watch the what was it? Not Yeezus. The thing on Netflix. That creative controlled him. It was Yeezus. Genius. I didn't watch that and go, you know what? What he said about Jay-Z's kids is okay. Yeah, no. Because Sherry was on a call. I didn't think like, you know what? He's allowed to say that about Jay-Z. Do you think this whole song kind of comes across as a Kanye-like defense? yeah with understanding like with context I would say Kanye defense I think he's giving context to things that happen from a perspective that none of us have because obviously he was there so he knows a lot of the nuances on certain things and why things played out the way he did so I mean if it feels like it's in defense of Kanye I understand but it really is just giving insight to and giving information that we didn't have on why certain things played out why certain things didn't play out. So, yeah, I mean, I wouldn't say Kanye. Like, I don't think he's defending Ye. I think he's just giving more context and information. And then you can do what you want with that. Like, he's just giving more detailed events that happen. And then, you know, as a fan, as a listener, if you come across like, oh, all right, I kind of understand. Kanye wasn't wrong as I thought he was. Like if you feel like that, cool. But I don't think that's what Saha is trying to, I don't think he's trying to defend Kanye in any way. Yeah. I think he's really just giving context to everything that happened over the last decade. Yeah. And I mean, he said that's his man's and he's disagree with him, but what you supposed to do, you got a friend of your homie and disagree with him. Like, yo, I wouldn't, I wouldn't have said that you wild him for saying that. You still my man, but that was crazy. Like that's, that's what friendships and relationships are. It's like, yo, I'm not going to agree with, I don't want to agree with everything my homie says or does. Like, I want to have some discourse and some, you know, back and forth and arguing a little bit. Like, yo, that was whack. Like, you shouldn't have did that. Like, that's what makes friendships friendships. Like, we can disagree, but we can still respect each other's perspective and stance on certain things. And you know what I mean? Like, I think that's what makes great friendships. Like, we can agree and disagree at the same time. And I think that's what Saha basically was saying throughout most of this record. Like, yeah, I didn't agree with a lot of that shit, but, you know, I know him in a different way as well. I've seen things that he's done that was great for people and how he helped people at the same time. Even though he says off the wall crazy shit that you can never come back from. He's also done a lot of good things for people at the same time. The biggest letdown in this record was really the end. he did all that amazing rapping put out the last two joints all for Gina to say what are we getting story of Mr. Egot and I thought okay we about to pause he about to say March 15th he said soon he know I we done had these talks personally like I need to fuck if you ain't gonna put it out send it to my phone I ain't gonna put it out but I need to hear the music man cause like this you can't give us no dope on Sundays and just like alright I'm cool like I don't know when I'm gonna put out my next shit like that that's just that's insane to give us an album like that rap that was rap like a real rap real high level MCing and then we don't get the follow up to that like come on Si you gotta give us the album bro yeah and I'm curious who's produced like who's producing on it well I put him in touch with a certain producer that he said he wanted to work with and then I saw that producer and I asked him see yo Si I hit you he was like, yeah, but it ain't really, I ain't spoke to him a lot. I was like, all right, man. Like, all right. Okay. I mean, as much as I would love to see the Kanye West produce Saha album, I mean, Saha's been running around for 20 years. I know he knows his sound and has his relationships. So if Kanye's not on it, it is what it is. But I still, in that seven, I would have liked to see Saha added to that when they were doing everything. Yeah, let me text Alchemist and see if he hit him, man. Not you letting us know who the producer was. Not you dropping bombs. But I don't think it's not a bomb. Yeah, I don't think anyone thinks it's surprising Alchemist. I think he's been vocal about working with Alchemist. I think he might have said that with us. That was like one producer that he's always been wanting to work with. And I couldn't believe that he never, him and Alchemist never even like. Touched. Connected. Touched. I mean, I meant to say touched base. That's worse than popping the record on it. I hope him and Alchemist have never touched each other. I meant touched base. I'm sorry. I mean, don't do that. Whatever anyone's journey is. I don't think they did, but. I don't think that's how high. I hope they got in touch. Yeah, in touch. I don't think. Yeah, yeah. But I'm going to hit that chat because I, as just a fan, I would love to hear what him and what Alchemist Society would cook up. Too. Okay. Staying on music, that Pimmy album came out. Oh my God, y'all know. I'm mad at Pimmy, man. You know. Why you mad? Why you mad? Because Pimmy gave us the greatest hun nigga album. Like, that shit was 19 minutes, 20 minutes? Yeah. You know what? We're calling it an album. I think this was just a follow-up because she had the interlude and had a lot of attention. Let me give them some music. Not an EP per se, but I don't, like, count this as an album. It's only 17 minutes long. To me, this is just, here's some music. It's fire. It's incredible. This is like when you're arguing with your girl and you're hungry and she just whip up a quick meal, that shit fire, but it's like... Ain't no leftovers. It was only enough for one plate. Mm-hmm. It's like, yo, that's it, nigga. You ain't go shopping. What you mean I ain't go shopping? You can order like... I loved it because it was steamed. It was steamed. Don't come home. It's literally, don't come home. Yeah. Yo, she said, stay till I hated you. I'm so predictable. Hey, dog, look, man. She talking. That bar stung when I was driving on the West Side. Nah, what my bitch say? Yo, this shit is so, yo, this project is so fire, but Pimmy, we love you, but you must not love us. Well, nah, listen, putting a full project together is tough and takes time. I think this is great to feed the fans in the meantime while she's putting a proper debut together. If you have the attention you had coming off some sexy songs for you, all of us were like, who is that? That was a year ago. I think this is fine to feed because also it taught me that her pen is crazy let's do a lyrical break now like I knew she was dope and I liked the interlude but and there was that other one record that was on her DSP's page I didn't know her pen was like this her pen is crazy this project is so fire but again as soon as I was like ooh like she talking it went into because you know how when you playing an album and just going to like an artist that kind of makes similar music I think some random ass so I was like yo this ain't Pimmy but then I looked and it was over already I'm like nah she didn't give us this quick this quick great all of this great music and it was like 18 maybe 8-10 tracks 18 minutes I mean I've been critical to OVO as a label in the past but I've always appreciated this strategy with their new artist Party did it we got that Majid Jordan EP which I think is a classic EP they do when they sign someone give you a quick representation of who they are while the attention is on them what they've done after i've disagreed with ovo as a label but i always think that strategy is perfect with the four bad shit like you got some time right now people are focused on one song that they like but you give them 17 minutes and it's great i get it i get and this is but you might be too soon for a full pimi album like this is what i would would you leave the streets for me and then 17 minutes later project over what like come on would you leave the streets for me she opened that was her opening bar pimi this shit is fire but the guy we could have let the music play a little longer you could have gave us another four bars on every joint like so this shit is dope but it's 18 minutes is crazy yeah i ain't hear my bitch when she said say less yeah i could do what you do but worse so damn what's the point of doing it like this. It was a long session. You know how I go. And the traffic was crazy. You know how I go. It was easier to sleep at the studio. See, I could do it too. You sound hella slow. Yeah, it was easier for me to sleep at the studio. And then it was over. I'm at a new Rory and Marstu. And then it was over and 20 seconds later the song was over. That's my point. It's enough. Bet that nigga got the point across. Here's my thing, and I mean this respectfully to Pimmy. If I'm the guy she's talking about, after finishing this project, my thoughts are, I can still cheat on you. Nah you got Pimmy twisted You got Pimmy twisted No to your point She didn't finish it It's just like she talking Alright She said call me when you can Yeah I gotta set you free I gotta set you free When you done at that bitch house Call me so I can break up with you That's no to me Even on monogamy When she was saying You wanna have her But you can't have me That sounds like a girl That is staying if you cheat She said fuck whoever Do whatever Yeah Fuck whoever Do whatever your ego Yeah that's my shit right there What my bitch say Cause I put it out my story Yeah fuck whatever Do whatever Get your ego turned She said fuck whoever Do whatever She said post whatever Do whatever It ain't my concern Fuck whoever Do whatever Get your ego turned I'd rather be alone Than stay down for a hoe So treat whoever Better than the one You got at home Do the most It doesn't matter It's not my concern I'd rather be alone Than stay down For a hoe My bad Fuck you talking about Yeah Pimmy My bad I ain't know Talk that Talk that Talk that That would've hit different Yo I ain't gonna lie This project is dope man but it's like Pimmy just was like, huh? Yeah, leave me alone. Stop asking. I think where R&B is at currently, and you can clearly tell the talent she has. I think OVO has them an artist. No, Pimmy, she's fine. I think, I don't want to say they got one because that sounds so cliche and corny, but this was a good representation of, oh, she's actually talented. Yeah, no, she's dope. And it's the perfect time for this type of music. Ironically, we're going to get to the Yebba album. I kind of felt like this Pimmy's album was if Yeba and Party Next Door had a kid. Really? Pimmy's album was if Yeba and Party had a kid. Yes. Okay. Throughout the whole album, I was like, no, I mean, I mean, of course, Yeba is a better vocalist, but there's very few vocalists on earth that can really touch Yeba. So I don't mean that as a slight to Pimmy whatsoever. I think Pimmy is a good vocalist. But it was like a Yebba tone if Party was in the room writing everything from a woman's perspective. Okay. Did you get a chance to listen to the Yebba album? Yeah. Absolutely. I didn't get a chance. I'm upset. How was it? Oh, it's some great white soul on there. Yeah, man. It's some great white soul on there. Pimmy, I almost fucked around and went on a road trip. Almost jumped in the car and just went on a road trip. like listening to that. This is road trip music. Who you have a? 1000%. You gotta, you gotta take a, you gotta just drive. I don't, you don't know where you're going. Just get in the car and fucking go. Yeah. And like a luxury pickup truck. Yeah. Does she have another distance on there? Cause distance is one of my favorite songs. Um, I wouldn't say another distance per se, but I do know what, what you're saying. Um, it did lean, it leaned more in the white soul than I, I thought it was going to. What do you mean? Not so. White soul. Yeah, it was because I think she's so scared to have any type of Adele comparisons where I think she could do that lane. It's not country-esque but it's a little more pop-ish than I would expect from Yeba but I really really did like it. Okay. I mean, but yeah. All right is close to that I guess. The Seven Years though. The Seven Years joint? that's the one that almost got me to drive all the way to motherfucking Toronto? Yeah, once seven years came on I was like alright yeah but you just gonna make me go just go take a little road trip, I don't know where I'm going but I'm out. Did it touch a little inter-country more than you thought it would? I don't want to say country but there is a tone of country in it, maybe I'm wrong Where's your number from? A little twang I think she's from the south So that's just her roots Arkansas. Oh there you go that's her roots, you gonna hear it Yeah, and she's dabbled in that a bit before, but I think on this album it was a little bit more, but I did like it. No, this album was incredible. It's certain music you hear where you're like, all right, this is not what I would usually listen to, but it's good. It feels good. It sounds good. It's well done. And then the lyrics, you know what I'm saying? You can relate like, okay, she on here talking her shit. but the music is not it's not what you probably think it is because I think it's listed as alternative yeah I think so so it's not an R&B project yeah I wouldn't expect that but the vibe though the energy is Dawn is under alternative as well though is it? yeah I would expect that to be under R&B as well but yeah it is listed under alternative but this feels more alternative though yeah it definitely leans more yeah the music is a little more Dawn is more R&B But Tamera She even pops off One record with God is good all the time All the time God is good But I am fucking tired Like she's Nah no dead ass Come on now She's in that bag No dead ass You know when You ain't talking like that I'm fucking tired God is good all the time I'm tired Yeah like yo I'm trying listen I'm trying to be Listen I love the Lord The Lord He is my He heard my cry You get into all of that But yo We'll be on Yeah You gotta ask God What you on sometimes That's alright It's alright to ask God that It's okay But nah This project was dope This was a good music weekend It was great Great music weekend This was a good music weekend Rory if you like that type of music I still advise for you To check out Michael Franks I still feel that you would love Michael Franks Check out what? 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Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. Plenty dropped, but what did you guys listen to? I didn't listen to J's Keys and Ill-Tone Beats. they probably got to get to listen to them. I'm going to check it out tonight though. Yeah, I'm definitely checking out this week. Like we admittedly said, there was so much going on. Oh, Ty Dolezal signed Girl Music Volume 1. I did listen to the EP. It's great. And my issue is I wish he didn't give us this EP and took these six records and gave us six more. Because this is, we had talked last episode for those that did listen. I think Ty is an icon but I also put him kind of in the Chris Brown category of you haven't given me the classic I think Free TC is a classic to me but Ty and what he means to this generation has not given us that fucking classic and like you can't just throw Intentions with Brandy on an EP that song is so fucking good I just like these records the featuring Todd Alassane album I think all six of these records are better than that whole album and it's like why can't we focus this type of sound and expand it to a 12 track project it's no it's fine I mean I clearly it says volume one so I'm sure he has volume two with six records for sure but I know once we get to volume three we're all going to come in here and say man it would have been nice if you just put all these volumes together and made it a Todd Alassane album yeah I just know we're going to get into that realm but I can appreciate that because Ty's one of those artists that records 75 songs a day, most of which that will stay on a hard drive and he won't put out. So if this gets him to actively put out packs, I'm fine with it because there's not a skip on this entire thing. Like leading with Miss U2 with Leon Thomas, I understand. Leon's on fire. Any one of these records could have led. It's a really, really good EP. I don't know if y'all noticed, but we're getting back to short projects. That was EP. No, not that. Even Yebba's out. That's only 40 minutes. Yeah. But I mean... Pemi gave us 18, got out of there. I'm going to give you out of these 18 minutes and I got to go. Yebba gave us 40 minutes. The Norse Barkley album I think is only like 40 minutes. But that's... We knew that was going to come back because when everyone was doing the 40 track projects or 23 records to try to trick the algorithm and streaming everybody's not Chris Brown though yeah like yes that works for Chris because people love Chris Brown and are going to listen to 40 records from Chris Brown because he's Chris Brown you uh Lil Xanax Molly Wet Wap no one wants to hear 40 records from you though the world can only handle 40 minutes of music especially when we have microwave brains right now except I think you could have long albums in this time because Chris Brown knows how to algorithm is the dumbest fucking thing ever. Pimmy's supposed to give us 30 minutes. You still type. Fam, that project is so dope in 18 minutes? I know she had a one phone call with that nigga, we could have got another 20 minutes. I know you had more in the talk. I know you had more to say for that nigga. She definitely got, she definitely cut all the Those are Lucy's. What would be dope though, not to cut you off, what would be dope though is if that was the album, right? She gave us the 18 minutes and then at her shows, the songs are longer. Like at a live show. Yeah. That would be hard. But there's also a good way to test markets, like to do live shows. Like 17 minutes, I think, is a perfect strategy for her. Yeah. Because coming out the gate when you're not proven to give a full project can fail very easily. I don't care how talented you are. Like you got to ease people into shit, man. But 18 minutes? God damn. I think that's perfect for that. Did you guys listen to the Niles Barkley album? I love Niles Barkley. I love CeeLo and I love Danger Mouse. So it was ass. I love Narls Barkley. I love CeeLo. It's not ass. It's just not it's all over the place. The music is very over the place. But it's not ass though. It's just you gotta be in a certain headspace to kind of listen to that project. There's like joints. There's a few. No, it's music on there. It's good music on there, but it's just it's not what I was expecting. like it's definitely not what I was expecting it's like oh this is oh they went in hand was jamming like they was in the studio putting music yeah it's just like okay like I gotta like hold on not right now you can't go off of Pimmy, Yeba and go Narls on them you can't go Narls after Pimmy and Yeba it's like nah fam we on a whole different frequency right now and like even the lyrical content like CeeLo it was just a lot of weird content on there too things I've never heard CeeLo say. Like what? It's just the whole album itself is very chaotic. All over the place. There's joints that feel like old Gnarles Barkley that bring you back down to earth and calm, and then it goes in the most chaotic space ever sonically. It's one of those albums that I'm going to need. I'm going to need some months. You got to even wear silk. You got to put some silk on to listen to this album. But also, was it really dark to you? were you listening to what CeeLo was saying like the first record really even starts out with take cover all God's children even the sun has gone to hide the sky is raining bullets I'll never forget the day that tomorrow died we're all the same in death then it goes to amnesia a nervous breakdown and a seizure suspended in sweet nothing has been such a friend to me I said amnesia I'm still a believer if I come back alive will anyone remember me like it's like the first two records are suicide notes. Yeah, it was like, the vibe was totally different. I was in the car like, does anyone have CeeLo's number? Like, I hope he's okay. The vibe was totally different. Like, coming off of that Pimmy, that beautiful Pimmy tone and those lyrics and then hearing that, I was just like, alright, I wasn't expecting. That's just not what I was expecting from T-Shirt and Oz Barkley. And I mean, Danger Mouse, I absolutely love. I'm curious with Space Season too. I don't mean that in a bad way. It's just, it's not what I was expecting, I guess. At all. I see why they did no rollout. I see why they literally just said, we're putting an album out. Here you go. This is going to take some time, I feel like. And I'm going to give it its proper listens because these are two legends. But out the gate, it's not a bunch of Who's Going to Save My Souls now. That's not this album. No. Totally different vibe. But there's joints on there. I'm curious. Give it a listen and text me to let me know. You're not really a Narls Barkley fan? Really? No, I'm never a big Narls Barkley fan. I'll give it a try, but I was never a big Narls Barkley fan. Why I always love Narls Barkley is because they tricked the masses with Crazy and Fuck You, and then you got to their albums and it was like, nah, this ain't that. This ain't that, yeah. Yeah, we're not this pop group that you think we are. It's CeeLo and Danger Mouse. We can stay on music before we get out of here. Did you see that they've been killing Ebro for the past week? Yes, but for what exactly? I've seen... I get it. I get it, I guess. They on Ebro ass? They on Ebro ass, yeah. What do Ebro do now, man? Ebro always, yo, Ebro, we'll start with you, man. But is he lying? He's lying? Is he lying? Oh. Well, 10 years ago, and I'm paraphrasing here, so apologies, Ebro. 10 years ago, Uzi went on Hot 97 and late drama, everyone had told him, like, no, Uzi, he raps real, which Uzi does rap when he feels like rapping. Uzi can rap when he wants to. Not saying that happens all the time, but Uzi can rap when he wants to. I can rap when I want to. No, I mean like, like actually rap. Yeah. My bad. All right, well, you and Saha, I get in there. So he was on there and Ebro wanted him to rap over some like boom, bad beat. And Uzi was like, I don't rap on this type of shit. I remember that. And Ebro, again, paraphrasing, was like, well, that's what rappers can rap at any time on any beat. If you're just trying to pick and choose, that's why you may not be here. I'll still be here in 10 years. meaning I'll still be hot the radio station will be here I'll be here everything in that regards how everyone interpreted that 10 years later the anniversary pops up and they start comparing what happened to Ebro in 10 years and where Uzi's at because Uzi said he was a rock star and Ebro's like you're not a rock star you're not gonna be here in 10 years and now 10 years later okay and so Ebro's direct quote is I think they're celebrating that he's referring to Uzi still around. I lost a job and he got more money and he's still here. But I ask you, while his hit song is going around right now, are you guys highly anticipating an Uzi Vert out? I love Ebro. That's a fucking dodge. Come on, man. You know, you know, they're not celebrating that clip because Uzi's still here in 10 years. That's everyone's not going, yo, Uzi's still here a decade later. No, they're laughing that you said you would still be here and Uzi wouldn't and you're not there. And Uzi is still a A to B list artist when he drops. Uzi still does crazy tickets uh am I anticipating an Uzi album that was such an unfair question because everyone that he was talking to in that room like myself included is not Uzi's audience there's so many people still anticipating an Uzi Vert album are we out of our fucking minds though true yeah huge fan base even though one of his his albums was a bit of a dud to his own fans all of our favorite rappers sometimes have a dud. If you are sitting here saying, I think they're celebrating that he's still around, but yo, are y'all even like, no, I'm not. But his fans are. There's a hundred thousand kids that are anticipating a little Uzi Vert album. What are we talking about right now? We're not the audience for that. Man, see, this is why I love Ebro. Ebro is really, really good at like PR. He knows how to word things very well because he's been in this business for 40 years. I think they're celebrating that he's still around. No, you don't, Ebro. Ebro's one of the smartest people I bet. You don't think that. You know you're getting clowned for that and you're diverting. No, he got to know he's getting killed for that. Like, what did he think was going to happen? And that's what they're supposed to do. Now that, what is it, 10 years since he said that? Oh, yeah, they're supposed to kill him for that. 2016. Yeah, as they should. Kill Ebro. Oh, my God. I'm joking, man. said I don't think Uzi has set out to be the quintessential rapper what a quintessential rapper is I don't think that's what he's been trying to do I think that's the part where his fan base and people who love what he does really love him because he's the kind try to do other things but that's what he was trying to explain to you in 2016 but that yeah you explaining what he tried to explain to you in 2016 that you didn't understand is fucking hilarious yeah and I'm with Ebro especially in 2016 team. We all come from that clause. If you say you can rap and I throw on a beat, you shouldn't be able to pick what beat or what sound. A rapper should be able to do that. Times have chained up. Uzi was trying to explain to you, that's not what I do. And part of the reason why Uzi is still popping is because he didn't try to just be the quintessential rapper. Yeah. Because he definitely would have been out of here if he was trying to do that. Like, nobody, no. He had to be as colorful of an artist, as different. He had to be that artist to still be relevant and to still have the fan base he has today. Like, he had to do that and i mean that's where i give uh drama lake canon the most credit like they built their label with jack and other artists the fact that they heard uzi because they got old ass ears like me the fact that they heard uzi and saw that vision and fully understood it to me makes them the best execs of generation like the name of the fucking label y'all are from the era of mixtapes and rappers. How did you see this kid in a fucking kilt and go, you know what? I get it. And clearly they were fucking right. Because I would have heard that and be like, I mean, it's not for me. I don't know if I could sit and find your vision. You should find someone that can. But, yeah. You just gotta take that one on the chin. I am with Ebro, though. I'm not anticipating no Uzi album. You wouldn't. Yeah. So that's what I'm saying. I understand Ebro and that. That's such a cop. Alright, if you're telling someone they're not gonna be here and I will be and I'm not there anymore and 10 years later you're asking a room full of people that are not Uzi fans if they're anticipating something is the biggest cop out ever go ask Twitter are you anticipating an Uzi album outside of the actual trolls that will just be there to troll you're going to get a bunch of Uzi fans saying yeah the kids are anticipating an Uzi album he's their J. Cole I've seen Uzi perform multiple times at festivals it's a different level of fan base. You know, it's definitely not. It's not for me. Bro, when he hits them shoulders, people faint. But he's... Hits. There's no denying his star power, though. There's no denying that. He's definitely a star. Yeah. And he wanted to do other things. Yeah, Ebro, he tried to explain that to you. He has a whole office at Roc Nation that's just dedicated to cutting so. Is Ebro having a rough year? Is this like a rough year? You think so? I think it was a blessing that they got. out of Hot 97. Probably. I definitely think where Hot was going, I think that was perfect for that. I actually think Ebro's probably having an amazing year to get out of that something that was a burden at that point for you. No, Ebro's doing great. I like the add-ons with their show as well at Apple. I like the guys that they added in. I think that just brings more conversation and everything. Ebro likes to be hated, which he's admitted, and he's extremely good at talking. Ebro will always be fine. Ebro actually has talent. He has perspective. Ebro will always be fine. And people don't know what he does behind the scenes for Apple, too. He's not just a talking head. Yeah. So, no, I think Ebro's doing just fine. No, when I said a tough year, I didn't mean financially. No, no, no, of course, of course. You're saying like perception. Yeah, public perception. Shout out to Ebro, Laurel Stiles, and Rosenberg. They had Ebro's daughter on their show talking about her flag football league. Like, that was like the flyest shit ever to me. have your daughter plug her flag football league on your podcast. Amar is going to come on here and just paint for two hours, right? While we're recording one day. All my, all the kids are coming on here. Hurry up. Have some kids. We're doing the kids cast. I'm having them in two years, two, three, three years. Do we know? Oh boy. Do we know the father yet? Do you know him? I don't know him. I mean, I'm like, what are we talking about? We don't know. Oh, you don't know him yet? Well, I don't know. I might know him. I might not. I don't know. Wherever the yellow brick road leads me. I'm going to treat you like this Uzi Ebro in 10 years. I'm going to be like, yo, I thought you ain't noticed. I can't wait. I can't wait till I see who you have a baby with. I'm going to be like, Damaris, I thought you said you ain't noticed. You going to be a goddad? For sure. Okay. For sure. You know what I mean? I can be the godfather. You want me to dress up as a godfather too? Like put on the whole. Like what do you mean? What would be the entire. You know what I'm saying? The Godfather, the movie. I got to wear like that suit, the hat. Oh. Put the coat on over the. Nah. The Godspeed is fine. The silk scarf. I got to have the silk scarf on. No. Do the suit with the Burberry shirt on. He said the Godspeed father. The Godspeed father. I am the Godspeed father. Yeah. Put that on. Put the silk scarf on. Right. No. You wouldn't want me to do that? No. I just want you to, you know, train him up in the way of men. Gotcha. Oh, yeah. That's easy. I got you. I can do that prayers to Rihanna yeah thank God she was not home thank God her family is safe Rihanna's home was shot up a woman shot at Rihanna's home in I think Beverly Hills right yeah she was home Rihanna was home when the event happened oh she was I'm sorry I thought she wasn't home no she was there she was home Jesus Christ thank God I think her and her the kids I think they were all home if I'm not mistaken but the woman was she was apprehended she was arrested and she's booked on attempted murder charges and that carries a 35-year sentence if convicted. So hopefully that woman is convicted and gets 35 years in prison. Just shooting at anybody's home is crazy. Like, I don't, you know, obviously this woman is not mentally, you know, there. But either way, I mean, there's no sympathy for that. You shoot at somebody's house, you should face the maximum penalty. So glad Rihanna and her family are safe. I'm glad anybody else that was in that area is safe because we did see years ago, Mr. Clarence Avant when his home was invaded and his wife was killed in their kitchen. A random person just broke into the house and shot her. Shit like this is scary, but you know, this is the world we live in. Praise to Rihanna, her family, and thank God that they're safe. I don't want to speak anything into existence. I'm just observing how the internet works now, how the Stan world works now. It's crazy. I hope we don't start to see more of this. And in my head, I'm thinking we're going to start to see more of this but i'm trying not to be pessimistic or speak anything negative in the world but the way people are moving how accessible celebrities are how easy it is to get the address and know where people are and how sick in the head social media has made some of these stand groups i i it would not shock me if this does not become more of a a thing no but that's why i want like this i want her to get 35 years you got to set the example If you shoot into a house With kids in it I understand that's not a murder charge That carries life But it should be more than 35 years I don't know if this woman's gonna come out In 35 years and be rehabilitated Fuck that therapy shit Give her 35 years of therapy Go sit in that cell for 35 years No I'm saying in jail When she's doing her 35 years Usually when people are arrested And face insanity they maybe end up in certain jails where they'll have a therapist or something because they're mentally insane i'm saying fuck all that i don't think therapy is going to change this woman in 35 years i don't think she's going to come out rehabilitated i think that's still a danger to society if you're sick in the head enough to go in front of someone's house that you do not know but because they're a celebrity and start shooting into their house with kids yeah that's crazy i don't know if you're going to come out in 35 and be like you know what man i was a different person i learned my lesson yeah nah give them 35 years keep people like that off the streets because like you said innocent people just in their home and somebody shooting at them yeah you need to make an example out of that person yeah uh before we get out of here uh also speaking to ebro stove god was on uh apple talking about his his project he has push a t and west side gun are the only features completely produced by swizz beats um i love swizz friend of the show our brother in arms i i will be honest i think this is either going to be absolutely amazing or completely missed i don't think there'll be a middle ground. I don't know how... I feel you. I understand what you're saying. I love Swizz a lot. One of the greatest producers ever. If he's not locked in and Stove God is his only priority and focus, it would make me nervous. But I do think Stove God is really great at picking beats. So I hope that... Great at picking beats. Great at writing hooks. Great at melodies. Great at melodies. Great at bars. I hope he's just as involved in the production. I hope it's not, here's 10 beats I made, you rap on them now. Well, the song that they put out, the Swizz joint, the first record is hard. So if we got 10 more of those, all's good, all's well. I do hope Swizz is heavily involved with the visuals and directing the music. The artistic creativity, artistic direction of it all. Yeah, because Swizz is great at that stuff. But yeah, I'm excited for that. All right, well, good to see you guys. Good to be back with the gang, gang, gang. Yes, sir. Baby, check out that Yeba project. I will. Check it out. Some joints on there. Just don't end up in Montana. You might just end up in the car and just, you know what I'm saying? I like to go for walks with music like that. Walks? Sorry, you about to. Walk to your crib? You about to be in Rhode Island. Don't even worry about it. You walk to Rhode Island. Yeba's a good nature walk. 1,000%. You could walk to Rhode Island on a Yeba album. Just go to Central Park. Okay. Yeah, that'd be good. Yeah, 65, 70 degrees out. Perfect time to just listen to Yeba and go to Central Park and just walk around. You might see Kevin McAllister. Who knows? You might. Who knows? It's nice out. All right. We'll talk to y'all soon. Be safe. Be blessed. I'm that nigga. He's just ginger. That's Baby D. No, Worrying Now. When you feel uncomfortable, what do you put on? Biggie. You put on Biggie when you feel uncomfortable? Because I want to get confident. This is DJ Hester Prince. Music is therapy. 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