The Bill Simmons Podcast

Darnold Does It, Snow Game II: Mile High, Pats-Seahawks, and the Wild Taipei Climb With Cousin Sal

91 min
Jan 26, 20263 months ago
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Summary

Bill Simmons and Cousin Sal analyze the NFL Conference Championship games, discussing Sam Darnold's redemption story with the Seahawks, the Patriots' unlikely Super Bowl run in a blizzard against Denver, and preview the upcoming Super Bowl matchup between Seattle and New England.

Insights
  • Weather and field conditions can be decisive factors in playoff football, fundamentally changing game strategy and execution in ways that favor defensive-minded coaching
  • Sam Darnold's career resurrection demonstrates how organizational dysfunction can mask talent; he thrived once removed from the Jets' 'poison pool'
  • Backup quarterbacks with limited tape can create strategic uncertainty, though this advantage diminishes quickly once opponents have game film to study
  • Special teams performance is chronically undervalued in pre-game analysis despite being a consistent game-decider in close playoff contests
  • Coaching adjustments and game management (like Belichick's decision to go for it on 4th down) can be more impactful than individual player performance in weather-dependent games
Trends
Elite wide receivers (JSN, Puka Nacua) now define offensive success more than quarterback play in modern NFLDefensive coordinators increasingly valued over offensive ones; Belichick's defensive scheme outperformed offensive innovationYounger coaches (McDonald, Payton, McCarthy) bringing fresh strategies while maintaining traditional defensive disciplineHome field advantage becoming less predictable; weather and special teams create more variance than historical trends suggestMVP voting increasingly influenced by narrative and team success rather than pure statistical performancePlayoff overtime rules changes (Josh Allen rule) creating unintended consequences and fairness debatesStreaming and multi-screen viewing (Netflix, Uber Eats) fragmenting traditional sports media consumption patternsTaunting penalties applied inconsistently, creating perception of arbitrary officiating in high-stakes gamesRunning back usage declining; elite passing games now feature multiple receiver threats over traditional RB rolesCoaching hires increasingly evaluated by peer comparison rather than individual track record (McCarthy vs. Harbaugh analysis)
Topics
NFL Playoff Analysis - Conference ChampionshipsSam Darnold Redemption NarrativeWeather Impact on Football StrategyBackup Quarterback PerformanceSpecial Teams Execution in PlayoffsWide Receiver Elite Performance (JSN, Puka Nacua)Defensive Coaching StrategyGame Management and 4th Down Decision MakingQuarterback MVP Voting CriteriaCoaching Hire EvaluationTaunting Penalty InconsistencySuper Bowl LX PredictionsPatriots Dynasty ComparisonSeahawks Fan Base HistoryNFL Rules Changes Impact
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People
Sam Darnold
Seahawks QB leading redemption story after Jets released him; MVP candidate for Super Bowl run
Jared Goff
Rams QB competing against Darnold; had strong playoff performance before Super Bowl loss
Drake Maye
Patriots rookie QB in Super Bowl despite inconsistent playoff performance and weather struggles
Matthew Stafford
Rams veteran QB with strong regular season but playoff inconsistency; age and injury concerns noted
Bill Belichick
Former Patriots coach; current Patriots defensive strategy compared to his legendary tenure
Josh Allen
Bills QB discussed as potential 'Ewing Theory' candidate; never won Super Bowl despite elite play
Mike McCarthy
New Steelers head coach hired; compared to John Harbaugh and other elite coaches by win-loss record
John Harbaugh
Ravens coach comparison point for McCarthy hire evaluation; similar career trajectory discussed
Sean Payton
Saints/Broncos coach; career statistics compared to other elite coaches in context of McCarthy hire
Mike Tomlin
Steelers former coach; record and playoff success compared to incoming McCarthy
Tom Brady
NBC analyst providing commentary on playoff games; praised for improved analysis and game insights
Jalen Hurts
Eagles QB mentioned in context of playoff QB performance and MVP voting discussions
Lamar Jackson
Ravens QB referenced in context of coaching hire impact and team success correlation
Robert Kraft
Patriots owner; mentioned for 32-year tenure and 13 Super Bowl appearances as franchise owner
Mike McDaniel
Seahawks coach praised for aggressive play-calling and game management in playoff wins
Quotes
"This is one of the great underdog stories in the history of the NFL"
Bill SimmonsEarly in episode discussing Patriots Super Bowl run
"He got poisoned and he got out and he learned to swim again"
Bill Simmons (quoting friend Mark Samino about Sam Darnold leaving Jets)Mid-episode discussing Darnold redemption
"I'm not worried about Stitham, I'm worried about everyone else"
Bill Belichick (paraphrased by Simmons)Discussing Patriots game management strategy
"Weather variable we have for football we're not used to"
Cousin SalDiscussing blizzard impact on Patriots-Broncos game
"Nobody can read his shoulder pads which makes them impossible to read"
Tom Brady (analyzing JSN on NBC broadcast)Discussing wide receiver analysis during Seahawks-Rams game
Full Transcript
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bill I can't we got to talk about that at the end I can't wait to talk about that thing in a strike let's let's go we have a sea hawks patriot Super Bowl yeah which I think America is going to warm up to over the next two first of all yeah the villainous patriots are back even though this is a precocious overachieving team um Pats as the underdogs flashbacks to 01 Sam Darnold redemption this is one of the great underdog stories in the history of the NFL I think this is sure if they win he's up there with Jim Puckett all that stuff Malcolm Butler bench game the were Super Bowl loss what was the worst Super Bowl loss in your opinion that one are the Falcons 20 to three actually a 1 3 is so hard to beat I mean Bill it's not like the bills dominated the giants but that nor would why they're just knowing what's bad afterwards the next three years is bad too they've been some bad ones but 28 3 yeah yeah I mean you're you're part of the words collapse the Butler one was I think the biggest holy shit wait we're not about to win the Super Bowl we just lost yeah and then the norwood was I think the probably the hardest kick in the nuts right that's where I would land on those three yeah well we have that so it's a Malcolm Butler revenge game and we have Brable basically becoming Bellicic I mean this is like watching when Hulk Hogan left WWE and they were just trying to replace them would have been like if we had actually replaced Hulk Hogan yeah maybe that wouldn't have been a great idea and then Drake with a chance to position himself as the next guy even though he wasn't good today but to emerge Josh Allen never made a Super Bowl Burrow made one my homes one a few but could he move into that past so what are the what are the storylines are in there for you I don't know I think you're dead on with I was kind of thinking about man this is such a bummer with the Patriots this is like 30 tuck rules in a row which is 30 for 30 tuck rules the way they got to this position here but then I'm like all right maybe this is you know the football gods trying to build some heat for the Patriots trying to make them hate it again no they got there with the easy schedule you know Mac Hollins proving to be a pregame sociopath and Brable is unlikeable and I haven't even mentioned the alleged criminals on your team but it's building heat like you just slam snook over the head with a coconut congratulations it's it's I mean craft interjected himself into the Brable postgame yeah you know Brable's given this great speech he's calling them warriors he's you know telling them basically we have one day off then we're about the next game trying to win it and he's about to bring everybody in and crafts like if I can interject and does the game ball thing but you know crafts on the team for 32 years this is his I think 11th AFC championship because they won in 96 the AFC I think it's 13 isn't it 13 for for craft oh I think this is his 11th trip to the Super Bowl somehow which 13th yeah you're right amazing because I remember when he bought the team you know we all thought I was living in Boston we all thought they're going to move to St. Louis then it seemed like he might buy them and move to Hartford they were the black sheep I've talked about all those are good purchase it was probably a smart part really worked out for and it didn't seem as smart this decade after Bella check left and it looked like we were just gonna have a steady stream of Mac Joneses and those type of guys that was gonna be disappointing we were gonna stink and that's not what happened why don't we talk about Seahawks Rams first because that just happened and I have more in the moment thoughts I'm more prepared for the other game I would like two different right we're watching different sports right between the early game and the like it was like our parents playing pickleball on the morning versus like the awesome open semi finals and night yeah but no well I was thinking like and I did we talk about this last time I've never talked about this in my podcast with somebody like this weather variable we have for football we're to reduce use to yeah and it's kind of insane that a blizzard basically decided this Patriots Broncos game and then you watch the next game I don't know what the weather was like there but at least the field was clear and people could see who they're throwing to and it was like oh yeah this is a completely different sport yeah well we had fire might as well add fire to the first game too right yeah like I'll put them in the field or something exactly I watched this entire game I had no idea who I wanted the paths to play for most of the three hours and I was texting I was multiple paths fan threads I was texting with my dad my dad was just confused he's like I don't know what to root for you got bouncing back and forth and I think I think ultimately I'm a little happier that it's the Seahawks because I think all we've done is see them at home Darnell was incredible today now it's gonna have two weeks of Sam Darnell puff and smoke up his butt but I just thought the Rams are so scary and honestly that fourth and fourth was basically the game right crap I'm seeing that to sorry did you see this just came in Sam Darnell got his right arm caught in the door of the team bus they have to it's another one they have to amputee but he's going to play left handed after the boat next thing I believe that it's another break for you guys good yeah the fourth and four yeah well it's just it felt like these two teams are even but when you throw in the home field maybe the Rams were like an inch better but I honestly both these teams are better than the Patriots for the Patriots we haven't done guest aligns have not seen the lines but they're at least going to be over a field goal for for the Seahawks but I think it would have been either team do you think the line would have been any different depending on who won because I don't know unless there was like a blowout in this game and it seemed like there wasn't going to be until I mean it could have been two scores if not for that crazy taunting I don't know what order you want to want to hit this but but no if you saw a close Seahawks Rams game it was probably going to be the same line against the Patriots I had a couple things to want to hit we'll start with Darnell versus Stafford so they had that 3837 game which was probably the best regular season game in the air and ironically swung the home field for this with that crazy two-point play I can't believe if I if we had done this in August when we were doing the preseason guest aligns and other futures and stuff what would the Fando for Sam Darnell versus Matthew Stafford will be our best quarterback rover in the 2025 season oh wow because that's what ended up happening those two guys today and in week 16 play two of the most fun games we've seen all year and really seemed like they were elevating each other and I just let the odds of that when they got Darnell to you know over the spring summer it was like ah they they turned Gina Smith and the Darnell do you think this is their better or now it's going toe to toe with the guys probably going to win the MVP well don't sleep on stand him against me because that could blossom into a great great rivalry we have no idea we have no other matchups but both teams were 60 to one to win the Super Bowl your Patriots and Seahawks right around there going in so for them meeting up I didn't even figure out what it would be but yeah they're over on the was eight and a half wins Seattle and I wasn't like sold on Darnell I said you know what he really didn't have to do anything last week that game was over in two plays which makes it I think was five weeks before he had a 200 yard game you know Bleek who knows so he didn't really prove what he it's not his fault they all had to do was run and can't walk was amazing last week but I was like maybe he doesn't have it in him he was great I mean it's Jason is terrific to win get to all those guys but yeah he did not disappoint at all didn't turn the ball over I thought had a couple like superb throws the Throat of Shaheed and the first drive yeah perfect even Brady was like oh you got to hit that and then they showed the replay and he was like wow that was a great throw that was an eight that was an eighth throw dropped the right over the shoulder he had that thought the touchdown throw right after the right after the kick kick fumble when he I think there's Bobo in the end zone but he kind of threw it a little crosses body at pressure thought he stepped around I didn't see the same darn old panicked stuff I have a good friend of mine Mark Samino's diehard Jets fan and has been pissed that they got rid of Darnal ever since they got rid of him and actually roots for Darnal by proxy because he knows that Jets have no chance and he's like the most vindicated of anyone he was just like Darnal was good we destroyed him we poisoned him we we had him swimming in our poison pool and he got poisoned and he got out and he learned to swim again who is facing the same darn thing but he was really good so Jets fans bummed out by it but also Vikings fans obviously that's got to be the other team that's watching this going wow Jets fans miserable Super Bowl right because you're not going to rule for the Patriots either not this is awful aside from your friend I don't know how many are excited about Sam Darnal but this is the first time the Jets fans have felt awful during a Super Bowl that's right every time Darnal was 25 for 36 36 yards 3 TDs and Stafford was over 302 with 3 TDs but I just thought Darnal was great and the other fascinating thing was McDonald's so remember week one because I I had the Seahawks for the division I had a bunch of Seahawks overs and they they lost week one and he kind of coach scared in that game remember we came on the pod that night and I was pitching about it and I was like he doesn't trust his team like you got to be aggressive they were really aggressive and that last drive they got that fourth and fourth stop they had the ball and instead of like being just handy and into the line and trying to chew clock they did some play action they ran out they completed some passes I got the call they got the holding call but that helped but but yeah that yeah they weren't they weren't laying back that was for sure not like and like they kind of came in spurts right like Kenneth Walker was great in the beginning is great it's like then he kind of got lost for a couple quarters and like if if you've had Kenneth Walker in fantasy they're like you got like eight weeks where he had like under 60 yards it wasn't pretty yeah and then but then JSN steps in like I know we talk about QB1s all the time I was at Allen is at my homes I think we settled on Allen being a QB2 and no QB1 the receivers are really the fun rankings right whether it's JSN or Puka once in a while we'll throw a Jermar chase in there when he'll have like 15 catches but JSN is a man and going over the middle he got just slaughtered that one that one shot that one one one when he jumped in the air yeah yeah and he also had a couple catches that didn't count he cut that ball under the goal post that was seven yards at a bounce he was 10 for 153 with a TD and Puka was 9 for 165 correct and they're they're just clearly the two best then intention because a year ago you would have said chase and Jefferson were clearly the two best these two now I thought they needed all the catches and all the yards Puka had a couple like he had to play in the first half when he he was like going out to his right cutting in like he was going to cut it almost to do like a button hook or something and he had a step on the guy and then he veered in front of him was like a basketball move it's like what you do in basketball when you're in a fast break you have the big guy behind you and you want to put him on your hip and kind of did that with that guy and then went deep and staff had hit him but he does shit no other wide receiver does and then JSN same thing like he's doing stuff along the sidelines where you think he's going at a bounce and he's tiptoeing down for another eight yards catches up the middle catches in the corner so you can go deep like those two guys just can do everything and they're reliable too and they especially Puka some some debacks have come out and I think the other debacks are mad so like it's kind of not fair what he's able to do in space like it's it's it's unguardable it's not fair you know it's like a euro step or something but he's great open and JSN like you said dragon of feet and the sidelines he can come go over the middle those up but you know I want to get into there but Cooper cop had a huge game that third and three would five minutes left and the third like you know converting obviously that first down was huge so they did really good at all that all his overs came in for for 36 and a TD and a really big third down catch looked like a little more explosive it's funny because you know they don't have a backup running back anymore that guy a halani yeah I watch football every week I'm not positive I ever remember seeing him I'm sure I did but he's certainly didn't jump out uh and then you know they have the bobo and barner and these dudes but it's one of those offenses that you never feel you feel like they just shut down the one guy and you'll be fine and then somehow darlin's a 346 they also have an awesome punter who I thought had a couple big ones and was single-handler responsible for that guy muffin the punt right that thing just kept carrying and carrying and carrying backwards and he finally like just he like tripped he threw over his own I do feel back because I cut away to the new special teams coach and it's like all right what the f is that guy supposed to do over his own feet he can't like hold him up there but yeah that is a tough that is a tough catch to make from your back uh and and you figured that was it right you have when you fall you just have to basically spasm forward and try to avoid oh get out of the way if you can but I think he's so so cooked by that it didn't matter it was gonna hit him you know it's funny when I watch football mo it I'm always thinking of all the things like you and I couldn't do when you watch these games right like how many times we would just be knocked out or how how much certain hits could hurt like today Ramajan the first game was running and he was pushing the pile and it kind of stopped and then Hufanga came flying in from behind and just like nailed him in the back I was like I would still be down like they would have I would be pieces of me would be going on three different cards and you watch this stuff and you're constantly marveling the thing I'm always amazed by is that or one of the things is that uh people don't muffle these ponds more yeah when you think like these giant stadiums with the lights a lot of hide is yeah the balls doing there's wind and these guys make it look so easy and then when somebody actually and then plus there's gunners running at you like trying to fuck with you like they're gonna hit you and then cut into the side and it's weird it doesn't happen more often but the irony of the ramp special teams murdering them in a game this was the problem with their whole season yes I literally put them in the manifesto this was rule number 13 like the wear of the bad special teams it should be like you know you talk about this game all week these two these two games right and we did on the pre-game show and it's like we probably mentioned the special teams out of an hour and a half we probably mentioned it for 40 seconds and it was a huge but you know like something you can't you can't like candy cap like miss field goals who's gonna miss who's got the day you know two weeks ago miss field goals were bad but the special teams with the ramp you can almost guarantee that's gonna be one play that screws them or they overcome it's so weird McFae is like I think everybody considers them one of the four best coaches in the league right how does he not fix this right this seems like one of those where you just you do the roadhouse move and you're like I'm getting the best cooler in the south I'm bringing Dalton in right name your price I'll pay a thousand a week this game had everyone off the field like don't return return punts anymore just everyone's got that would be interesting yeah we're not we're not trying to block punts we're gonna turn them we're just like in Bonsarhan this game had great QBs great receivers we had multiple goats because we had the Rams apartment term then we had Wolland with the taunting penalty yeah um which I want to talk about one second um and it felt like that might flip the game I thought the announcers were excellent I thought Brady has come back over the years he eligible oh really interesting I think he's been really good I really do I think he's last year and he said it there was an article written about him this week and he he basically said what we talked about last year in the pod it felt like he was so ever prepared he was trying to right work all this information that he learned all week and was just like doing and now you feel like you're watching the game with them and he's weaving in like his experience when he played and the stuff he was doing about like that I thought his best points today was the JSN the shoulder pads yeah and he was like when when somebody's running in their shoulder pads some move usually if their shoulder pads are going like this you know they're going deep if they're lower they're gonna stop and he's like nobody yeah nobody can read his shoulder pads which makes them impossible to read I was like holy shit I've never heard anyone said that before yeah he's like really good shut up Tom this is my secret don't let that out but yeah no he's good he's better he's growing on me he doesn't get Botox during the games anymore which I think helps he could focus now yeah the half time probably he was as good announcing this year as he was bad at running the Raiders so we'll see if he can pull out both them next year but I thought those guys that thought they had good chemistry so we had the Cupra Venge game which you mentioned and then we had we had the the the the darn old coming out of it out doing the guy is probably gonna win the VP let me follow oh yeah yes probably yeah we had that as well it'll be weird now if me my staffer was gonna win it anyway but may has been just shaking up in the playoffs and staffer it was good enough that yeah I don't know I'm speaking to shaky how embarrassed you and Hedge going off on staffer how he sucks and then oh my god made the carolite game and the carolite game yeah yeah who's being good fans my ex I remember so so Seattle through for 200 one yards in the first half kept it going the the let's talk about the big the big swing plays the taunting penalty hmm what's your take because I do feel like they were rafting a lot of this stuff differently in the playoffs than they do in week three right week three they're calling that we're now in the NFC title game they just got this awesome stop 31-20 they're about to punt guy runs over talks to the bench the of course the officiating guy they have in the booth he's got to agree with it like thank god we have those guys just to agree with everything I think those guys were trying to think a one useful moment no it's an old thing of any to do yeah they had the one on the fourth and one trick may may sneak they go to whoever was there for nothing offered zero they could be there could be AI at this point I mean you know exactly what you're getting for that but yeah the the taunting my thing is who cares like I don't care the fans don't care the people getting taunted don't care there's no way the sea hawks were like insulted like who this is why they do training camp that's why on hard knocks they'll sing songs and embarrass themselves and everything right like they can get used to getting taunted because emotions are gonna run high in a football game let alone the NFC championship so whatever flags are gonna go one way or the other if you get a tug on the shirt you can maybe call holding but I don't I don't like taunting at all to to change the game I don't know who it's for I don't know if they're trying to teach sportsmanship to younger people they felt like something was going on a line here's where it falls apart for them it's the same sport with the same role that after a turnover or a safety or whatever all the defenders can run into the other ends and fucking do snow angels and stuff so it's like that's not taunting but willing getting excited that he just made a great stop and he's in front of the bench and he's yells at a couple people like I just don't understand why do you have these two different outcomes for things that you just covered in completely different you could instruct the bench to look away don't look at that end zone there's some stuff going on that you may not like hold the mic might hurt your feelings of pretending to bowling pins right now you might never be able to get over it if you're more than 20 yards away you can taunt yeah that's right yeah just look at that it's like you can't take off your helmet on play but yet we see it all the time as the guys are walking off the field they'll take it off then okay I've stopped trying to figure it out um did you think the see hocks are the best team in the NFC I thought it was the Rams I loved and died with them and I thought actually like you know it's like this team maybe that Carolina road win wasn't great maybe the Bears road win wasn't great but the fact that they're winning these games you know means that I don't know I just thought there was smidge better than Seattle but I have no problem with Seattle going to the Super Bowl it's the other conference that's sort of messy Seattle had three I'm not gonna ignore that Seattle 396 total yards the Rams had 479 wow lost and Stafford was like nifty too like he had that for Mandelman those are type Ron right like to get that first down he like had a weird pass to McCuah when nothing was going on left it was about to get sacked so it was a different kind of Stafford that we saw I was surprised that um they were able to run on Seattle like they ended up doing yeah as it felt like as the game went along what do they go for Quorum was nine for 55 Williams was 10 for 39 Quorum's longest was 19 Williams's longest was 11 it's not like they were like getting huge plays it just felt like they were constantly getting four or five every play um I thought after last week the reason I picked the Rams in this game I mean I'm sorry this Seahawks I just thought the bear should have won last week I didn't think the Rams are good enough and I thought the Bears left a ton on the table from a passing standpoint which the Seahawks kind of bore out this week it really feels like the Rams peaked in the first I would say three plus months of the season as an all-around team and then as the longer we went along it just kind of became Stafford and the Renegame in these in these two receivers but that was kind of all they had everything else was sloppy special teams was bad and I didn't feel like thinking it stops yeah I mean they lost it's so close right they lost that overtime that game on the Thursday night they win that their home maybe it's a different story by the way 30,000 tickets sold at so-fi today for people to just go in and watch on that on the large screen 75% Seahawks fans no I don't know I don't know I want to get that I know that but will that be more disgusting than actual Seahawks fans don't know if they're okay or he billiardic yeah I want to count on that if anyone was there I would like to know well the Seahawks this would be the first time they've ever won the Super Bowl yeah I know I heard that last week good luck to them how about uh or the second time it'll be the second time they've won the Super Bowl because they beat the Broncos for the day eight and it gave them a bet on and that forgot last week and you knew correctly I know I love Shreger the suck up blaming me throwing me under the bus I started the segment saying three of the four outcomes are rematches of the Super Bowl what am I supposed to do I don't know Shreger the suck up he knows it no it's okay just just leave Tony Romall alone these things happen you know I was excited I was excited that I apologize last week you know heartthought apology to Danny Kelly and the rest of the Seahawks fans because that really could have come back to haunt me these next two weeks definitely don't even remember we won a Super Bowl on the froker I don't think that mean of times is not accepting the apology a lot of people Joel McHale a lot of Seahawks fans someone anything to do with your apology tall John just doesn't like me either way yeah he's so happy regardless um well when they when they played the Broncos the Broncos were favored right yeah this is like but yes they're pretty sure they were favored when they played the patriots who was favored in that I don't want to say we were favored uh look at that we're talking it was like three or three and a half right so we were favored they were gonna they were gonna cover I don't know that was 2015 yeah yeah it was the rest wasn't it yeah I think we were favored so this will be the first time they've ever been favored in Super Bowl I guess I'm afraid to say anything anymore Seattle is minus one against oh that's right yeah and I think it I think it tick-tacked around a little bit and I think the paths are favored at one point and then the other one denderman was favored by two and the one that Seattle love we watched that Super Bowl in a group of people that will probably never gather again at our cousin Jimmy says the Seattle the new angle one that's a mother again that was a really tough watch there yeah anyone any mass all you can imagine with we had apple again daemon tonicorn hyzer right dicky bear it yeah who else was there it was just a hot punch it was it was it was basically the cast I think why do why do you want to be bolder came on the left they left it half time yeah he was still hiding I think Seattle's really good I think that been good all year and I haven't seen anybody kick their ass yet now you even they have three losses and they it's not like the paths sucked in week one against Vegas they sucked in the second half of the second Buffalo game they kind of sucked offensively for the entire game today there are other reasons for that which we'll get into but I see how does much sturdier team that's why I was so surprised and see the Rams kind of go up and down the field on them I think you deep down you can't say it now because now you have like a lot of negative mojo for Seattle you know I think your happy I think you're happy that the Rams are out of this I don't think you wanted to see Stafford I'll tell you what I think the Rams pass rush was a little better than Seattle's today and that's you you know that too and you like that but and you don't trust Sam Darnal's much as you do Stafford so I'm just telling you so you know that's why I landed for most of today that ultimately I would rather play Sam Darnal done a neutral field than Stafford and Puka and Devata Adams and they're running again so the Rams you think like the McVase the McVase stuff starts in 2017 they lose the wild card to Atlanta the next year they they win the NFC title on that ridiculous Saints call although it did go to OT and in the Saints did choke lose to the Pats 13 to three in a game that nobody could remember four plays from can you remember four plays from that game there was a big rock play Jared Goth was bad enough that they had to trade them I had the over so I think I might have napped it half time I don't think I even saw the rest 2020 they they lose to the Packers and they ended up moving on from Goth 2021 they win the Super Bowl and they win three straight three point games against Tampa and Brady San Francisco and Sinsi but then there was a couple they didn't make it the next year they lose the tough Lions wild card game right to be yeah that one in 23 and then the Eagles game last year when it felt like they were coming on down the stretch and they had a chance to steal it so this has been almost a decade now McVase but pretty relevant yeah but one in one in the Super Bowl maybe it's a good chance you know sometimes home field doesn't matter it doesn't matter naFC game today but you know could have if that game's not in Philly maybe the Rams do with that if that game's not in Seattle today maybe they do three road games in a row is pretty hard yeah so the big question the reason I brought that up is staffer it's gonna be 38 next year he allegedly at a bad back this year although he's seen find all year but I just wonder how long how long he can keep this train together right Puka takes a million congillian hits I've no idea how long his career is gonna last but I'm guessing it's not gonna be a 15 year your career for him yeah I don't know you know the giant hits a game if he goes out for any substantial amount of time this Rams team even Stafford at his best is not a not a 13-14 win team for sure last thing I'll say before we throw the break I do like the Seattle fan base in general it's sort of probably my favorite non-Boston one so I always hate no I don't I like the they're fast about team got stolen I like the Seahawks fans right they go way back to that Zorn larger poster with the with the where in the terrible jeans did you have that one in your room yeah remember that one the pleated jeans yeah but you know checkered history and then it all came together in the beginning of 2010s and then um they were the afterthought for most of the season everybody was so focused on the Rams then it was Rams or Niners people are picking the Cardinals as a surprise team and yeah I mean you know I made a list of uh in after I Caleb Williams crazy to help marry that didn't matter like we made a list of like the most in the greatest most inconsequential plays of all time Caleb Williams on that your main curse catch we forgot about that one yeah that was I mean that might be one and one a those two so yeah these these poor fans just there was there was also three minutes where it seemed like the helmet catch that was like an official curse for the past like it was like we're gonna listen to helmet catch and that we're never gonna the Super Bowl in my lifetime all right we're gonna take a break we'll come back talk pets to build some of his podcasts is presented by Fandall playoff mode is on Fandall's got it all same game parlays quick bets for jumping in lives 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can't remember tom braids first playoff win round two raiders in the snow the last home game in the old stadium which had really had you want to take a talk i'll just talk to the camera you know what i can't let me say something because i want to let you have your phone i just want to give the blizzard's history i want you can have your fun and you could glow but so that this is a loading so that this isn't a completely miserable situation for me i have brought in a prop here i have a rosa pizza pie from um bianco pizza can you see that oh that's delicious well i know this is a favorite yes you can't have pizza my current diet allows for it so um go ahead you go tell talk about your snow game vignity area and everything i'm gonna eat some pizza what you do you got the rosa i got the rosa right your favorite i do you have a set yeah eat a slice i'll do the snow that looks delicious all right that looks really good so snow game come back from down i think ten ugly like this one was where they couldn't get any offense going for a long time john grudin chokes on i think second and short third and short does it get a first time puns back we get the field goals in itary and everything starts this was snow game two the mile high revenge we've never won in denver in the playoffs we're owned for rulan jones jake plum or champioli 2005 still mad about that one two braiding losses in mile high and then it decides to be a giant blizzard today and they go up seven nothing jared stedem makes his only good throw of i think probably the entire day hits mims and stride dan up scoring five minutes in the game it's seven nothing and i'm just like i can't believe this is yet another decade where we're gonna get our ass kicked in denver and then uh denver number scored again and the patriots won ten to seven i'll start with rabel you know for you didn't like this game i'm gonna i'm gonna go no i know that's i don't know you're from an entertainment standpoint the gigs of the gigs of i didn't like this from an entertainment standpoint you didn't like a lot of people didn't like it they talked about that how bad it was let me defend it go go back and you look at like pro football reference in the playoffs in the 60s and 70s football was there were a lot of football games like this where it was like bad weather field position making some defensive stops forth in one place don't fuck up on special teams like really hard field goals of 45 yard field goals not like an easy one anymore and everything is about positioning and not turning the ball over and it was a chess match and rabel won it and and and patent not kicking a field goal to go up ten nothing was the biggest mistake of the day by in either game take the points we couldn't do anything let me say this first of all the mix of pistachios and red onion and parmesan regiano virgin olive oil yeah i mean you would think it's a great marriage but it really is better than chocolate and peanut butter and then the back is so charred and crispy i should repeat another case does anyone do that for Netflix um i thought patent i'm not gonna say that he was happy with the bone x injury of course it was a big bummer but i think eventually he convinced himself he's like this could be my game this could be my game hero i'm the hero you know there's only a certain amount of games maybe you know of more where the coach is remembered for the game more than the players i think parcells winning superbolts 25 the giant speed in the bills of the great game plan it's parcells being carried off that uh patent himself when the the saint speed the the cults right um and this could have been another checks first superbow no one takes for the ball a check title against the Rams for sure so i think he thought he's like i'm gonna do this and i actually believed him when he said i'm not worried about stittin i'm worried about everyone else that's like a kind of a a great way to give your quarterback confidence and not just off the rest of the team um but i was i didn't point i had a lot of problems with his game plan mainly that there was no trickery involved because you would need it with with stittin but i you thought that was like a 90 10 play like going forward versus kicking i thought it was like close i thought it was 64 i could just tell you what my text were yeah um because i think that was a little bit of a break because they had to measure it first right and i'm watching it going i pray to everything that they go for this and i multiple texts to back it up because i thought if they went up to nothing i didn't know if we were going to be able to come back because um their defense both sides both tackles were already getting annihilated right may look skittish you know he looked combination nervous and like he didn't think he had enough time booty was just patrick sir tangus took him out first time they threw deep to him he was running side by side of them so it's like all right cross off that half of the field right um and i just thought and especially with the weather coming it was like man i don't if it's 10 nothing i don't know if we can come back but i think we can get a stop if it's four than one but if it's 14 nothing it's it's lights out right like don't you think why didn't he get in that's all the air out of it yeah didn't guarantee they were going to score it to either no i don't know i listen the we talk about this all the time in the pod these four than one and it's like situation says yeah it says it's 72% of the time whatever i think you throw that shit out in a game when there's a fucking blizzard coming in the second half and you have a chance to basically just what what basically my thing is what's the final score of the game how many points do i need if i'm the Broncos it's like i just need to get to 14 to 17 and i win the game give me the field goal i can go up to nothing yeah let me try to get a turnover and sit so that was one mistake and then the other one was sit on the third down throw on the ball backwards why are you why are you putting him in the position to do anything like that is your backup quarterback well that was just isn't played quarterback all year i mean if a guy is i mean that's the punter falling that punter return a falling down like what are you going to do i mean he should he should know to get rid of that ball by the way can we talk about that one for a second there's a couple plays right look he probably deserves to turn it over because it was so awful such an awful decision such an awful play but why aren't they stopping that to review it they first called it an incomplete pass arm going forward and everybody has to stop it should have been a if it wasn't the Patriots would have scored a touchdown i can tell you in that by the way i'm going to take a bite all year all year they've been letting the play row and not calling it dead and then deciding after whether it was a touchdown or not that was one of the only times to share i remember them just calling it dead when it was like in the moment it was like i think you throw backwards anyway go ahead right let it let it go that's fine let it go we learned that less than this year could they review it couldn't they review it what why is that a lot different if a guy throws a pass and it's batted down behind the line of scrimmage i know that's more you know that's more obvious but couldn't this have been that couldn't the ball been going forward and it had been deflected backwards should we have looked at it for like a minute can't we just look at it though this is a play of the game oh come on they barely i thought they did though i mean it was clearly backwards it was back was deflected though if it's deflected backwards it's incomplete isn't it whatever it didn't it didn't do whatever i thought it threw it backwards he's um well it seemed like the password me had screwed and then on second down made as the qb draw that i was screaming for it because you could see with the their their defensive line was loaded one way and it was sitting there right my son thought i was like had that uh it was like clear avoid it i was like run it run it and then he did the qb draw because you could see that like Denver just didn't have a guy in the red spot um but those two plays cost him the game because once the second half started they couldn't move the ball and they couldn't if i had the lead and the paths can't do anything i'm just i'm doing with the patriots in the second half and this is why i wanted to talk about this because i thought rabal in the second half um he just managed the situation right we have a lead we don't think that they can go 40 yards they're not going to be able to kick a field goal that's more than 37 and we don't think that can make plays i'm not taking any chances they that third down was third and eight and made just rolled out and threw it out of bounds i could they didn't even go for it because he didn't want to commit a turnover i thought that was so smart i thought he did a great i didn't think he did a great job then in the first half but i thought second half he was great because he got the version of Jared stitum that most of us thought he would get this time last week right like i was talking about we're talking on the pregame shows like when there's two games left you could really convince yourself during the week by over analyzing you know analysis leads to paralysis that uh stitum's out of you know that stitum mix it's the same thing what was interesting though is he had that 52 yard 54 yard past the mims whatever right and then they call time out and then i think to give him a trophy or something i don't know what they did but then they specially yeah exactly but then they score so like and patents defense he must have thought all right this guy's got like more than one first down left him the rest of the game and not that horrible pass play whatever drop forward that it was so he did i wrote in my notes stitum kind of sucked them in a little bit thinking that maybe he could do a little more i thought you made the key point on patent this was a hero ball performance by him yep like if you're actually just trying to win the game take the points go up 10 nothing don't have stitum do anything that could put himself in harm's way for the rest of the game until we have proven that we can do a long drive even the beginning of third half or the second half third quarter we have like a 10 minute drive to chew up the clock i'm gonna say we like them on the team you know yeah and we can't even get a touchdown out of it we the ball for 10 minutes like we couldn't compete with complete 10 yard passes i thought their defense was excellent and we had a lot of trouble blocking them and really good but you're look the biggest asset either team had on offense was Drake maize legs in the second half right you're gonna scramble for first down to look for a second that stitum could do the same thing but what bummed me out about paint is you guys had that flea flicker which kind of got you in feel right get you in feel go range yeah we missed the feel but it's good play yeah who's the quarterback that hasn't taken a snap in two years versus who's the MVP caliber quarterback i think you need some flea flickers in there if you're Denver i think you need an end-around for mims or something something to something that used it up to create a mistackle or something because they had nothing at all in the second half well there are a missing two receivers would chart them because Franklin was scratched for the game branc at her during the game yeah so I was sitting on freeze out there in big spots think I saw was that sky more out there one there's a more that's guy more it is right yeah I think it was to me more yeah they were really more was a more trouble i thought they ran out of guys it was a good match i mean they couldn't run the ball i mean the big thing for us is the run defense has been awesome the Patriots defense i know they're gonna take shape for the next week that's fine your defense is going i like i think two thousand one defense is giving up 26 points of three games it's good they've given up two touchdowns one of which was this touchdown the first five minutes of the game the other was that one in Houston off the Drake May fumble or whatever was where they had to go 10 yards other than that 26 points in three games and pretty close to dominant i think they have three two bad plays in the last three weeks right the one the mims play the right the mims play the good always one last week like you said and i don't think any really against the chargers no no big one so yeah well i thought variable it's funny because bell check when he flips stuff around the two thousands and a lot of it was like defense game management like just out thinking the other team good game plan strategy and variable ironically the last game of Brady's career was that Tennessee game right when variable like outweighed a bell check and it was like oh my god the pupils become the teacher was one of those and now now variables the coach in this flip in a year we jared male last year who's one of the worst coaches we've ever had an any Boston team and now we have this guy who i really felt like McGiard this game you know i don't know i know you'd be do you be jared's to him he who outwitted you outwitted a five year old when you put a coin behind his ear and pull it out like oh look what i got you're all the road and a blizzard and we didn't turn the ball over that's the king right like you i think your first half would you have 48 yards in the first half and then they they had about the same in the second half the differences you guys were locked at seven you got the points and you didn't he didn't then we got to turn the third quarter but for god's sakes 28 quarterbacks beat Drake maybe today 28 beat him last week maybe 20 the week before what it was the worst going on it was the worst throwing game he's had since the biggest game in week one i thought he missed seven open guys and throws that he's made all year um sir tam broke up that one bomb that was perfect he threw another bomb that was a good one but um he did have the naked bootleg to change the game which he called it himself i guess right yeah i sent it to i thought McDaniel's called it he didn't tell anyone in the team he was doing it if you watch the clip hunter henry's blocking his defensive end out to try to keep him from coming toward you know the line of scrimmage and meanwhile maize running toward the guy and henry's blocking him toward may but may just audible it but for the for the old school pass fans to pre-2001 that was like the famous grogan play yeah which he used to do and most famously did in the 85 season when then with the surpog and sujets he had like this old naked bootleg where he's like glimping into the end zone and it was always like the grogan play and then so he does that this team has pieces of that 85 team to grogan also have 10 completions in a win did he also i mean i think he probably did if you go back to grogan stats they were not good you like him as you like from sorry you like bringing up colby and game seven against the Celtics what was he seven for 28 or 6 or 6 or 24 i hate to always bring it back to basketball this this is uh this had to always do this i know go ahead he wasn't great the defense carried him his legs made a couple good plays and then the naked bootleg but you know i said this last week it feels like the 96 season part sozes last season when it was like oh i guess we're in the super bowl i don't think anybody believed it i think variable believed it but uh when you look back at who they beat they beat three top five defenses like i think it's the first team ever and playoff history to beat three top five he was terrible in the three games though he was he was terrible he had 15 sat in the second half of the chargers three interceptions he had took 15 sacks and a terrible i'm not gonna offend him okay well you're gonna go crazy about what he did against his three defenses six fumbles 15 sacks i'm just saying they beat three three top five defenses i'm very i'm you can't play in another one 18 more games the biggest pizza i didn't finish the first one the biggest i'm actually where we're near finished in the pizza do i think this is the super ball team it's hard for me to believe we had some in the 80s and 90s where it's like wow they made it i love that you're eating like that the titans ramp super bowl that year it's like how the titans are in this is weird but we don't usually have this let's rank the worst Patriots super bowl teams i'll i'll make it quick uh number one is this year's team uh a twelve-light tie for the number two that's almost same the defense is really good they are good and they've been with mist ones they've been really good this whole year so i think the recipe would be a little like a one where you know they won the Rams game in a one i think 2017 yeah it's probably a score like that keep it down there's a really interestingDarnold element to this that I forgot to mention the previous segment of The Patriots are basically the team that ended his jets career See it that ghost he never recovered from the ghost game remember that when he said go check And he was like I was seeing ghosts out there and it became a week long internet thing about how same darn But was seeing ghosts and I don't know he gets revenge on that So it's a good fortune. This is no good They're saying Kenneth Walker got run over by a snowmobile and he's listed as doubtful for the Super Bowl I mean that's all good news for the Patriots always not even snowing in Seattle Henshinan were trying to figure out the highlights for the Patriots in this game like actual highlights fourth and goal stop Staten backward pass May draw touch down the cubic draw Flea friggin' to Hollins resulted in no points Leonard Taylor blocked the field goal. I guess he tipped it that I didn't know he was on the team because they just added him literally didn't know he was on the team um The Patriots punner who was terrible today like really like he would have been the villain of the game if they lost That's the guy that angles it out of bounds normally right he was terrible. I mean he's he he's skunked one. He was just so bad His last pun it was a 33 yard punt with no return when they're in the 40 and it was actually like he came up a little bit big So that was fun. Gonzo's interception and the naked bootleg So it wasn't like a baby of highlights. So I do think well by the way all those runs of the naked bootleg All those the fourth the one that they converted with that he might not have converted ended up being the biggest run Wasn't it like you kicked the field go after that. Yeah, and they have the guy in the sky We're never going to know what what gets reviewed and uh what doesn't but Staten suck for the last two hours and if I'm a Bronco fan Um He's He's not the friend. Yeah, I'm not like we don't have a cubic controversy in August But I think I would have I would have left that game thinking we win with next Like just we win next gets us to he uses his legs. He probably rushes Ten time like I think Drake was 10 for 65 Mm-hmm right. I think next is probably like nine for 49 for 50 probably extends three drives of his legs and And he's a fourth quarter come back quarter back No, you could say what you want about him. He might have been able. I did like you know You talk about what's cool about the weather like Rommel was two minutes left Patriot it Patriot is like better hurry up You're gonna lose the win than the fourth quarter like I think they did made yeah did a good job of figuring even the sideline Reporters were we're excellent today. I thought like just I thought that was the best sideline reporter performance in a while when Tracy will have said to the watch The snow come into my face now watch when I turn I was like, yeah Yeah, by the way, they're gonna isolate that as a what you just said for sure What do you mean? No, you I mean they're gonna make it filthy that people The people who do that kind of thing what's oh you think I'm in trouble now? It's so Watch the snow come in my it's fine. It's good I just see what now I see what you think Oh, man somebody's gonna film a winter porn with your face and your cook damn it the Blizzard bill says watch the snow as a cum blizzard uh So the defense gave up zero points in the last 55 minutes of the game Yeah, I thought I wrote that on my notes The game was like game of thrones because they kept telling us the snow was coming and it was I've been rewatching thrones It was like winter's coming Yeah, winter's coming and that was another reason why I can't we paid didn't take to feel go Because they knew first quarter. Yeah, yeah, they knew Around half time snow was coming in for real when they did that little stop thing anyway, uh things I have left I think Drake has to Probably play two-thirds of a good game in the Super Bowl for them to have a chance to win Which in the regular season he would play 75% of an awesome game But he would always start out slow. I think they have to figure out how to start him faster and uses legs get him involved in the In the game with his legs and then for some reason that opens things up for him um Stitum Is that it Ever seen start a playoff game again? What do you want to do? Wame the Blizzard or do you say it's the blizzard? It was really hard to throw no I Blizzard made it hard to throw for sure But I don't we I don't think we've ever seen anything like that where backup comes in Immediately like like like how nervous were you like oh my god if we get to if they do get to 10 or 14 to 17 We're kind of done like I think the agreement with the defense would have been like Just let me get 23 points. Just stop them from getting 23 like no you need less than half of that and still And then just like nothing the rest of the way it was actually shocking went from this makes sense to This makes I don't even know what I'm watching anymore See you don't think stitum's It's a 25 million dollar contract us no no um I think CBS needs to offer Tomman like 50 million dollars a year to join their halftime show Really I don't know if you saw the halftime show. Yeah, yeah, I would I would try to get Tomman Sir tan I think was the only Broncos winner out of that game We we tested him once and it was like no more it was greater early on no Thank you. You're never see a d back have his head turned running for 10 yards with his head turned Which almost definitely you know calls off the pass and a fairance if you do that Pats ran the ball if you include the Drake Mace Grimble's 38 for 141 And I think the Rams unlocked the little bit of a running blueprint With the uh with the Seahawks because I thought they were over and over again able to gash them in the middle and move the ball So we'll see if that's a thing So we have two weeks now to think of the Subaru if you got sad yet but the Oh yeah, and if I was seasons almost over more sad that the Patriots are back I don't know. It's very very hard for me to separate those two But you know, I don't like that. I can't make a two team to use or anymore I guess I could use the the total and the line and I don't really love the Super Bowl You got you know, you're stuck at someone's house you watch you got your wife's friends dumb husband asking you what the spread is every four minutes Can you put a bet in for me? Yeah, can I bet once I want to bet this? Yeah, I don't know how this works Can I bet the Rams? Can I bet the Seahawks and the Patriots then I won't lose right? Oh, geez just killed me. So yeah, this isn't the best We'll take a we'll take a break for the podcast. We'll keep going here on Netflix Um, let's guess the line all right, I haven't seen it. I don't know it either. I swear, I haven't Now let me just let me set can I set the stage? Can I build build some heat here build some drama all right? um So where are we we okay? So after 21 weeks you're up 11 to 10 You have the lead I have an opportunity to tie tiebreaker is always Simmons takes penalty kicks on us for three and a half hours until one of us gets lucky and blocks one Or you could win it right here even a tie wins it for you Let's see what happens I have the Seahawks favored in Super Bowl LX five four points What is it gonna be it's gonna be hard for me to win now What did you guess you didn't even tell me? Did you guess for I guess oh You win you're off the hook Zoe The actual line I was either gonna I almost went four and a half well that would have won two Seahawks minus four and a half Over under 46 and a half Vegas own yep Wow one another year Did they get you with a rose a pizza This is our rose a pizza crust. It is damn good. I'm sending the rest of you That looks really good Well um I had some other stuff I wanted to hate with you before parent corner. Mm-hmm A new coach got hired for the Pittsburgh Stairers and was Mike McCarthy Who was your coach on the Cowboys for a few years Right Am I wrong thinking that's now he's an underrated hire Mike McCarthy No, I don't think you're wrong. Like I think there's two ways to look at this right like compared to Mike Tomlin Maybe not better, you know, maybe learn ways a little worse but compared to the pool of coaches that was available I think he's I think he's good. I think he saw it. I think it's weird to take a chance on these 35 year olds You know and just like you know it's it's I know you don't want to sign old guys to five year deals But I think to get a steady guy in there. It's gonna be better than rolling the dice which the Steelers don't do anyway 20 coaches have 10 plus playoffs wins. Yeah, and only four of them started coaching this century Mike McCarthy Harbaugh Sean Payton Sean McFaeh his number's a very similar to Harbaugh So there's a lot of people who love the Harbaugh. Love the Harbaugh hired. So my car. They was 174 and 112 11 or 11 the playoffs and won a Super Bowl Harbaugh was 180 and 11 13 it's almost exact 13 or 11 in the playoffs and won a Super Bowl Payton is now 184 and 108 11 and 10 in the playoffs one and only the Super Bowl and Tomlin's 193 and 114 8 and 12 in the playoffs won a Super Bowl So if you just covered those four guys up You wouldn't know who is who right and yet everyone's like oh John Harbaugh restoring giant It's like he was about to be fired before Lamar became Lamar McCarthy was on the Packers kick an ass with Aaron Rogers and then eventually it became oh it's only because he had Aaron Rogers Like why isn't that what we say about John Harbaugh Absolutely. Yeah, I think that that comparison's good. Yeah, it's it's giant fans is getting excited I think I will say this if he brings Rogers in not not no personal bias I know that's impossible to think but I don't think that's a step forward right if he's guaranteed to have to bring Rogers in McCarthy I think that's a couple more years of just nothingness It's a tough one. Well, I think it seems like some of the assistants will get poached because there's still some jobs left Yeah, hilariously nobody wants the browns job which I thought was funny um couple male bad questions This came from Jack and Saskatchewan He suggests a new manifesto rule Can you picture the QB holding the trophy The Malcolm Gladwell blink test for when you're picking the Super Bowl Seattle has the best shot picture Sam d'Arno the holding a trophy with confetti coming down Can you see it But that's pretty interesting same Donald kind of looks like the I'm upjoy. Oh Trying to watch this game with her. Yeah, I really like getting on turns um But I was trying to think of most unlikely guy who held the trophy. It was probably D'Alpha right Yeah, they sell D'Alpha Wow D'Alpha when the Super Bowl which just happened Doug Williams Yeah, this is some weird ones. I think D'Alpha is probably number one for me But yeah, so I don't know if I can see both of them holding it I could see maybe his wife baking cookies the whole time hand in them out while the trophy's going around I could see both The Seahawks fan named Chris Was talking with his friend Ryan about signature celebration dances they would do a there and NFL plan Player that would be the funniest and they decided it would be the tuck dance that Buffalo build it and sound so the lamps And then we're wondering if somebody could do that and would they get a penalty So you'd have to like kind of push push your stuff in and do and do this Right or maybe put the football in I I feel like it would be a 15-yarder Yeah, I think so you think that's taunting you think that's something the side of the tunting Yeah, you do the tuck dance I think Joe Buck wouldn't like that Simon and Australia said that I am us through a no-hitter with my OJ Simpson paid man in comp But then when I said the what card he'd be driving I didn't make the white Bronco joke that was sitting there Yeah, right Denver. Yeah, it would pay you know, it's all right He compared it to Andre Scalaraga's perfect game That's going great First place in Nebraska wants to know is is it time to discuss Josh Allen and the u-ing theory Hmm Wait a minute how so he done that He does fit all the parameters media loves them Considered to be one of the best guys in the league. He's never actually won anything So what would have to happen as he would have to have some sort of injury next year the backup would have to come in and then basically do Tom Brady in 2001 Yeah, listen he is on the u-ing theory watch list. I think it's fair to say well Yeah, that's the big part of the u-ing theory the actual doing it part of it Yeah, he actually doing it, but I think he is definitely candidate Uh Peter Kraus was saying how Rams Pat Super Bowl would be an uncanny um 2001 kind of doppelganger thing where the Rams would be the favorite, but that didn't happen I don't know if the I don't know if the Seahawks thing is the same way. I gotta tell you I do think this Seahawks I think like will break Netflix records if the Pat's Lose the Super Bowl to the Seahawks and we're on immediately afterwards I think that's going to be like you think that'll be stranger thing That'll be that'll be like six Sheppell specials lined up back to back Like so if you love the ringer ultimately it's good for the ringer. You should root for your team to lose I think I about all eat a rose a piece of the pass or win. Oh do it I'll just pour some extra glue now. February 9th as long enough Set Morgan sent me this email before the game today He said he went to a strip mall dive bar in little tin Um kind of placed for only three guys are at the bar talking sports Talked about the Broncos and somebody said sit him will be an even more potent threat than next because there's no tape on him The lack of tape will lead to a 25% stint in advantage And if he's 20% worse with the 25% advantage that might actually give the Broncos an extra 5% chance to win the Super Bowl. Therefore we are better off with sit him go Broncos And then he said shout out to the little tin car a lot Colorado bar Okay, so that's kind of the end that happens in a bar God can I can imagine the Patriots defense like he's throwing it forward or backwards What are we supposed to do does no tape on this guy He's great handed what are we supposed to come on guys We had no heads up here. He told me he was left handed. Let's just let it go Tim from Westfield, Massachusetts wants to know of Stefan Diggs can be called the QB whisperer Because Kurt Cousins Josh Allen C.J. Stroud all them blossom doing he was there I guess today was in the data asked I want I like it He's definitely a whisper of something because I think he's yeah I'm based for four kids of the whole lot of things Yeah, he's whispered something You think it's because of the easy schedule I haven't seen the women But to be unable to impregnate everything be the schedule is harder to tougher um Miles from Austin be a Boston thinks the stars of a line for the Pats to be a generational nobody believes in us team Because in the sea sent this before the game bad schedule Are we sure Drake may as good? They're so lucky the Ramsey Hawks Super Bowl just happened I am saying there's a lot of nobody believes in us You didn't say it for Denver though that would have been a time to say I thought you I thought that was going to bite you And they asked for not labeling the Broncos and nobody believes in us team I the straight up pick was Broncos I thought that line was too high the plus four and a half but I thought the Pats are gonna be a similar thing here Here's a question for you from Connor from Minneapolis hitter Connor what is it? Who was sour rooting for in Super Bowl L2 aka Super Bowl 52 I imagine it being in a real bind knowing that the the plurable equals would win Or that he'd have to go in the pot and listen to go on and on about the greatness of Brady Which team was a bigger nightmare to win for you? I got to tell you Connor and thanks for the question um I really like eight out of the last 10 15 out of the last 20 Super Bowl's I'm just a basket case. I don't know who to root for Eagles I had a problem with every play in the Eagles Patriots game same with Patriots giants I didn't want the Patriots to go undefeated Definitely the giants to win. Yeah, it's disgusting. They had knocked the Cowboys out one of those years So yeah, I'm uh, this is why this is kind of like the last good week of football for me But you like Seattle though. You'll just go out and on Seattle I did some sort of Parley with Seattle money line with I'll see I've adjusted under something um Ruben Silva said in the Sunday night pod we wondered what rule the NFL would change to help Josh Allen maker win the Super Bowl We forgot the NFL has already changed a rule for Josh Allen over time After the 13th second game, right they changed the overtime rules. So that is fair right um Last email read from Bill He said listen to you and cousins out discuss the generational disappointment being shared by bills fans and their children As an Atlanta native on 47 part of the first generation to grow up as an Atlanta sports fan and pass it down Um, he said you mentioned age 9 to 10 is being the critical age for sports disappointment Consider the nine-year-old that grew up in Atlanta and experienced 28 to 3 I have no idea how that will warp them my nine-year-old cried for 45 minutes and his map ranger Well my youngest proclaimed he's not waking up. Obviously. I have saved the video for his wedding That has to shape a child's character And then he says the small group of Falcons fans are now around 18 years old and we'll probably have to be studied and monitored So really interesting one They should just do nearly damaged yeah and these people going into the world right they've graduated high school at 18 They're gonna yeah, but probably yeah the September maybe that just don't trust anybody. Yeah, it's a mess It's not funny. It really isn't funny what we do to our kids. I mean, it's not fun what you do to me. They're just winter after winter Well, by the way looking at this Mike McDonald the rest of the public urination on a playground an hour ago He was by a sandbox. He sentenced the three weeks of county jet top break again good for the patriots This is the night side of there was a rumor today on Twitter that got like two million Retweets or something where the guy said that bo next actually got hurt in the locker I saw that nonsense that had to be fake right well We saw him lumpin around before right in the post game interview and everything So Seahawks Monis foreign half the overrunner is 46 and a half mm-hmm that seems high um And then futures Darnold plus 130 for MVP Drake may plus 230 And jsn is five to one which was when we talked about two weeks ago when he was like 18 to one Yeah for Super Bowl MVP and if by the way Who wins the NBA that was the Super Bowl today see Hawks ran so would have won the NBA. Oh I would argue jsn yeah, I think so he had to talk far too much like a split vote right right right right The fucking one hand catch. He was amazing. Maybe the guy who taunted. That was a pretty big play Well with the way the patriots have been playing if they won No, it's gotta be maybe he was five to one last Saturday It could honestly be like Christian Gonzalez a 201 getting two picks or something Yeah, it might be one of those who was the guy who won in your last Alice one Larry Brown Larry Brown got a good deal who to give the MVP to the Raiders after that. Yeah and then uh Not really a lot of stuff on with a lot of time to talk about this. Yeah To like Kenneth Walker Wow his rushing 80 plus rushing yards Kenneth Walker is minus 102 They have those on the red the under on that now that's the only one I guess. Oh wow Maybe is uh Just doing that for you 40 plus rushing yards plus 174 Yeah, it was so easy today house was leaning on that I'm like yeah, that's such a sexy pick Drake man He missed it last week though his over yardage total But once he got like in the 60s like all right no kneel down is gonna bring this under he's good Well, that was the old Mahams thing we used to talk about every year right That though they use the legs more in the pool. Hey Saints breeze We get through so many snacks. Have you gone to think to help me save? 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He loved Heinz ketchup when he was young And then they played at Heinz field for like a year before they change it to acuture And then anyway, he took he's the pirate he's the Steelers fan So I mentioned that there's a local bar slash restaurant That uh he goes we wears his jerseys and his terrible towels and he's become friends with these 50 year old men and women So when they lost to the Texans a couple of Mondays ago he was bombed out and You know He didn't come back when any stories that we were doing the podcast right we did an extra one that day so Um, I was like, hey, you're okay. Yeah, it sucks. It sucks. It sucks So the other day fast forward just to like three days ago We're on the phone with Archie my oldest is in college and we put him on speaker phone And he's talking to the whole family and uh jack comes in and Archie's like hey, I didn't talk to you Sorry about the Steelers and jack quirky kid and let's say it that way he's very quirky kid and he says oh, I have a story about that like uh oh Here we go buckle in he's like There was a couple when I was over at the bar sitting next to this table and I sit with all these strangers who have become my friends But then there was another table with Steelers fans that we haven't seen before and someone delivered french fries to their table And one guy at our table said all right the fries are here everybody go in And I thought he was serious and I grabbed the french fryer from this woman and I started eating it and she's like oh You're nasty those are my fries though You're nasty and then the guy was mad at me and he was like pointing at me and I didn't know what to do So I said okay, I'll give you $20 $20 and then you know and they was still calling me nasty and then my friend at the table is like 55 year old guy Says you don't know what you're talking about and he ends up giving the guy the finger and then the guy gives him the finger And then the guy punched him in the face twice and I took my ginger ale and threw it in the guy's face And then they got thrown out now. I'm like what the what this with this is 10 days later Where is this coming from you got a bar fight kid Just 17 years old that's our ginger ale on people That's going on and and are she just dying just dying laughing and my wife is like are you kidding me This is what we're letting go on here. He can't go anymore at night. I was like did you get thrown out of the bars Like well, I don't know my status, but I think I'm gonna be all right. It was the last game of the year So we're gonna see next year. So This is this is lunacy though That's the story of the year He took his ginger ale and the guy's face His friend got punched in the face twice Oh my god So Jack goes over to the table and just takes a french fry just grab the fry He thought it was a community fry for the hell there you wear fans your fans. Okay that personally. Yeah The woman was like really pissed off. So um And they were like yelling at the fan they were not from men's town. They're like don't come back Don't come back here again. This is the woman in our ospe So uh, yeah, we may need a new place for a jack to watch the ores games actually Probably the basements. I can't believe that and everyone near family to get in a bar for now I clearly I would pick Harrison first Harrison. It's coming for sure. I just gotta step it up Who you would have come over and like punched the guy in the nuts Um, my parent corner. So my son's hit that age where we're just rewatching all these great movies from the past yeah, and we've done like we did seven earlier in the week and he watched fight club and He even now he wants to watch heat and he's just like he's basically Just ripping off the classics And I get to relive the classics through him and all the other swerves like he didn't know there's at the quote-unquote Seven big turn that happens um So we haven't done the mafia ones yet Uh, and that there's some pressure on some of the ones that are coming Because I feel like and he's like the right ones so far And this is right around the age when you really get into movies But there are a couple that I'm gonna get nervous that if he doesn't like them I'm gonna really be upset Like a bad as upset as anything like if we watch the godfather and he's like Have slow yeah If he watches or if he watches if we watch he and he's like man Why hasn't anything happens is the bank shootout I'm just gonna be like right side. I know there's a lot of pressure here with relive it Tell me your apex mountain right now It's a hit or a bad you But uh As you got casino you got the departed like what those days of all this yeah Like we we've done everything he even watch devil wears Prada with my wife Rounders swingers like all like the town all the classics for the for the for the mobster ones I've wondered what the sequences do you show him godfather first and then the more Contemporary now. Well, so I was thinking about that. So the sequence. I think is one and two Yeah, I think you move to Scarface Almost like a sorbet. Yeah Then good fellas which he's seen but we'll watch again and then casino We and he's seen so he's seen Braxtail and he's seen good fellas. They love the two. He loves those good. Yeah You're gonna worry there's gonna be one that he's gonna shit on and then I'm not we're gonna have like some real Yeah, but you know every time I think I run out of reasons why it was great type kids Then it's like you get to relive all the great movies with them and it's you're just running it back Yeah, and you have in Indonesia for What you experienced the first time you watch it and you get to live through through them So that's been fun. There's nothing you can do about the the slowness of somebody's movies though There's just nothing you could though. We talked about Rocky 2 and like it's like an even rocky like oh man Three rocky run is a really hard one Rocky's one hard rock three is perfect because there's three fights right and they kind of get right into each one of them You know, but then when you go two and one Cinematically, whatever nicer, but for if you got a 16 17 18 year old they may not appreciate it Yeah, my wife's been gone for oh, yeah, she went away. So it's me and Ben So we're actually like hanging it's a starting to see the finish line because he's going to college next year and then Then that's it you you you were the genius with having the extra kids Not so fast. That was a great move That was like like signing Jared sit him to the back of Porter back Just in case you need a really good backup not gonna be a first down for the last four years That was a great one The other thing we did last time was we watched You have see at the same time as the Netflix Oh, yeah, climb and also Celtic's bulls was on so I had the three TVs and it was like just randomly one of the One of the more fun like oh my god. I can't believe these three things are happening at the same time The building thing I actually think was underrated as one of the craziest Um things I've I think it was the craziest thing I've watched that it knows gonna be crazy since that David playing special Oh, yeah, he was fucking with all the celebrities Which remember how everybody went that's when that happened many never did it again. Yeah his wife But I couldn't believe it and there was a couple like when are you afraid of heights because oh god Yeah, I'm I got a share in like two minutes. Yeah, I'm afraid of heights. I didn't used to be but Over the course of the century and there was a couple where he's reaching back Yeah, where it was like the overhang so you have to reach back and then pull yourself up where you're just like This guy's gonna die some weird stuff. He had to step into like oh that looks complicated I have to get your foot out of maybe if you if you can't but yeah, so comfortable Just like I'm gonna take a break and sit on this ledge and it's and it's like there's wind Mm-hmm. I just didn't understand what I was watching. Hey almost broke my brain It's great because it's not First of all we had we grew up with evil can evil right But there's a lot of build up with that and then it's over in a couple of seconds, right But but it's it's pretty cool What if he makes it yeah if he almost doesn't make any breaks every bonus body sure to that they've had like trapezoid artists walk across a tightrope I think For like 20 minutes or so, but that's the kind of the same thing over and over I think scaling a building you get to see different weird facade like it's it's it was extra Extra gnarly I thought for sure Well one of the crazy things was there was people on certain floors like taking pictures and waving to him and You see I was thinking if you were there You're the same person who almost ended Jimmy's wedding When the wedding cake was coming out because you saw this chance to push the cake and the baby doll And I was thinking like that guy He's climbing up and you just throw yourself into the window. Let's see if you can rattle him David Lane do you remember Yeah, I think it'd be a time to murder. Yeah Jimmy sent me to New York when David blame was in that tank Maybe it was not like in a tank for four days And he's like walk up to him with a hammer. I'm like all right. This kind of sucks like you know Yeah, I will. I'm not gonna. I can't break it. I think that's a felony. That's bad. Yeah When I walked up to him we kind of know blame a little to our crazy friend Brad somehow and he's like Like that would have been it, but yeah, this climbing thing I don't know that he's one of the greatest athletes. I'm one's got to make that great jump now that he's the greatest athlete We've ever seen you're gonna put you're gonna throw them there I just had more questions than answers like my son was like what happens if he runs out of Hit that special powder like that stick them powder. Yeah, we had that little satchel in his back pocket It's like what happens if he's like oh shit. I didn't bring enough powder Yeah, right you're like only four fifths up the wall and then when he got on the top Which was amazing and he was just standing there and he was so comfortable Yeah, just like being like hey, well look at you. I was like having a absolute struggle. I can handle it It's a whole different and they were doing these like I just couldn't handle it and then it's like how's he gonna get back down? Oh, this is busy. He's just gonna repel down That seemed terrifying every piece of it seemed terrifying. Yeah, we had a zip do you ever go zip lining? I have yeah, I don't know why I did it. We went when the kids at a game at a lane You know it was in the Y and the zip lining sucks. That was bad for me I was like I've never doing this again, but worse off. There was this bridge that kind of like shook back and forth when you walk past it I laid on that bridge for 40 minutes because I could not move like in the I there's no way it's gonna break, but I'm like I'm not moving. I'm not going forward. I'm not going back I don't know how people do this Did you think he was gonna have like a little backpack on that would have been a parachute if you fell you would think right You see all these like safety nets or safety something, but some harness nothing I thought it was incredible when we were kids. I remember somebody tried to climb the World Trade Center Yeah, or Empire State one of those in New York on wide world of sports Mm-hmm And I don't remember watching a live But when they would do the anniversary shows for wide world of sports They would always show it was like George Willis or name like that Um, and he would he climbed up the World Trade Center and like this is crazy. He never permits to do this And that's he nuts. I think all this I don't understand that I don't understand Why somebody would want to do this? Yeah, how somebody could be that calm like it's almost like is this the right use of this person If this person is this calm Right, like how scary this is should should they it's almost like good will hunting And it's like well hunting you should actually work for NASA you're too fucking smart Right, but this guy should he be flying like the scariest planes we have or do it to teach him to be pilot what What skills could he add that would be better than just climbing a building the parkour guys are Especially insane and I would think that you would have we would be nervous that Ben was gonna become one of them He was on his bed was second Yes, Ben was I was relieved that Ben was scared watching this guy last time I was kind of looking over at my worst time or to be like this looks so fucking cool. I'm so jealous of him No, don't do this So if he had just fallen Mm-hmm would they have cut the feed I'm sure they had some kind of plan for it. Yeah, they couldn't just show that That would be bad times. I think I think they'd have to they'd have I'm like getting queasy thinking about it now I can't wait so we had that and then you have see we had gachi going against patty and It just turned in and you had the knockout plus 170 But um, it was just an absolute suck fast. That seemed like it was gonna end every round and didn't and It reminded me a little of the first Leonard Durand fight where patty was just trying to fight him And was like no, no, I can beat this guy standing up And gachi had again and like I don't know how many years now we've been doing it with him I think he's 38 now. I would love to and we we had this with like Matthew Stafford. God. Yeah, there's his so he and so he's gonna be a quarterback for the Rams He uh, never got it and ward you know like oh, I just wish we could watch these guys fight forever I want them to protect gachi's brain because he takes so many shots now like I don't even want to know what that looks like now But that's a guy I want to watch for the next decade because he just brings it every single time Well, it was a little like seaside chavez near the end where he right he it was almost like the blows His brain wasn't even bouncing back and forth anymore. We need to go blow right he never it seemed like the tail end. He got hurt Yeah, um the other thing that was interesting was the heavyweight fight was bad And just like what a bad situation the heavyweight division saying compared to where I feel like we were That's another one I started watching it Derrick was just holding it. I mean is he still in that ring holding himself like that that was that was That was shit to number five against number eight and it was awful. Right I don't know if if like giant people just aren't doing MMA anymore. What was going on? But it was it was interesting paramount weekend because they had the boxing on Friday Yeah, and they're clearly trying to like Play the Smackdown, but it was weird not to pay for a UFC paper view. I know. I know they had a few more asses on paramount Yeah, exactly. It's not the the way they show the odds is different now We don't have to get into it. Yeah, but they've aligned with somebody differently. He's different. Yeah But anyway, yeah, I love not paper a lot of people said this is the first time I'm going to bite I had I'm legitimately watching a paper view Because everyone steals for years and years and years and yet I thought the The climb in the building was where it was better. Yeah I like the Celtics were F***ing around with the Chicago Bulls game that I'm kind of neat would have been a nice back-to-back I was just like watching the building guy Haven't I attacked do you think you could watch that you think you could watch you like keep watching like I mean could They do that once a month in the building. Just get taller and taller. Is there more than a I think the next one would have to be not a building. I think it would have to be some sort of summit right Yeah, you'd have to be some or some sort of mountain that you're not supposed to climb right Where you have to go like slice the loan Yeah, go for hours. Anything else you want to have? Yeah, I did Couple the first one. I loved you and mad dog It's it's the best one he's on. Yes, and can I give you my favorite exchange between the two of you? I'll attempt to I'll attempt to do both voice because I guess what it is. I never done this before. I was like all right here We go this this first one's gonna be you All right, man Doug let's talk about the top 10 quarterbacks of all time I think L.W. is in there two Super Bowl wins But he also had some stink of playoff games what you take on L.W. Well first of all that that is an excellent excellent job by you bill You remember that John always playoff games weren't always great and he I listen He wasn't always Johnny United's out there. So excellent job by you. You did your homework Excellent job and I was trying not to laugh you are can hear you laugh. We love we love bad dog so much He was great We have him on and I didn't prep him for anything and within a second. He's like well I don't know man 1955 and he just is like banging out 1955 You had a reference that was good Well, yeah, that just to have a plug here Sal super squares on splash given out 25,000 and prizes 10,000 to the winner of a grand prize completely free to enter go to splashboards.com and also I'm doing a A new contest around bad beats send me a screenshot of your badbeat on twitter or twitter And that's it every bad beat gets a free play on splash there you go um And we didn't talk about the terrible Murder of Alex Freddie in Minnesota, but I wanted to mention how awful that was and we tried on this podcast try to steer it towards sports And uh and be a place that You know is a little bit of a distraction area if you want some of the other stuff go there I thought that was horrible. I remember when we were We were kids growing up reading about like Kent State things like that really yeah How did they what that happened and this felt like that and I just don't know how we got to this spot So I wanted to mention that I thought I was horrified about what would happen I don't know Loved to have run a Minnesota Absolutely like I'm gonna shove pizza my mouth so I don't say anything wrong either Charles Mark We did a good job summing it up and uh That's terrible whatever you do yeah, I don't know what we're trying to accomplish in 2026 But I don't like it that's it for the podcast Sal we're going live on Sunday night. We're gonna be doing super bowl props Live Sunday night probably like seven or maybe like six o'clock Pacific time range Whatever you want on the pizza ready to go Thanks to gihou and Eduardo and Chris behind the scenes for helping us out I'm gonna be back on Tuesday on this podcast rewatchables launches tomorrow on Netflix. Those unspotted by as well. We have zodiac What do you think was longer the the movie or the uh the podcast the rewind 157 minutes Oh man you went past two and a half hours I'll go I'll go the movie was it close podcast was like two fifty I think we went You're a pretty good longer you're you're you're really pecs is just a couple Well we had to solve we solve the zodiac zodiac murder as well. Oh yeah, okay Yeah, that was another great thing. Yeah, we solved it So that was good anyway. That's coming uh Monday will be on Netflix as well as Spotify as well. So as always good job. Are you good job by your buddy See you on Tuesday Must be 21 plus in president select states for Kansas in affiliation with Kansas star casino Or 18 plus in president dc can tuck your wellman game problem call 100 gamble or visit rg-help.com Call 888 797777 or visit ccpg.org slash chat Cominicate or md gambling help.org in Maryland hope is here visit gambling help line ma.org We're call 800 327 50 50 for 24 seven support mess. 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