Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Rodgers waiting for pay day? Lamar reports to Ravens workouts, Burrow's Flag Dreams

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Just download PrizePix app today and use the code D-Bow Joe to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. That code is D-Bow Joe to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup. PrizePix, it's good to be right. ["D-Bow Joe"] Welcome back to this episode of D-Bow and Joe. I'm your host, James D-Bow Harrison. I'm here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download wherever you get your show. How you doing today, Joe? I'm doing great, brother D-Bow. You can tell by my background. You can tell by my space where I'm at right now. I'm back at the crib. Good. Post it. OK, that's good. That's good. I was hoping or I was surprised I should say that you wasn't off shooting to the masters over there. No, bro. See, I would be in the masters, but like I told you, I'm the head football coach of the Flag Football team. So I can't prioritize the masters over being there for the first game of the season for my boys, for my team, for my brothers. I'm old for your boys for your team, because you went on head and jumped full in. I'm a head coach. I gotta be there every day type work. So your sons, you the head coach, I hope we don't have no discrepancies on who is starting what your son is starting over the other person's son. I'm just saying, you know, you know, that's the one thing that I'm going to do that I love. That's that's what I love about football, D-Bow. It's going to be honest. My dad was honest with me about if somebody was better than me, if there was a person that could tackle better than me, if my son isn't. No, obviously, we had the first practice. I got a kid named West. He is fast. He is athletic. He's our best player. And everybody on the team is going to know, okay, I asked him, West, what position do you play? He said, I played three years and I played running back. I said, that's exactly what position you're going to play here for us because we need you. So like I'm going to be honest. He is the best policy. If we see it work hard and he's an effort guy, I say run it, boom, catching the ball. And then soon when you catch it, turn up few. I need that extra burst, jog the ball all the way back. There's no walk in, you know what I'm saying? So I hopefully he's leading by example. So I'm going to need my best players to be, hopefully they work hard, you know what I'm saying? Listen, discipline. Because if you're not listening, then you're not going to get no, you got to be listening. You got to be coachable. That's first of all. Okay, so that's what you're going to say. He wasn't listening. That's why you're starting and he ain't starting. See, no, no, Debo listen. I'm going to be honest. I'm going to do it the right way. Also something. I'm being good coach. You know me, I just, you know, I got to check, you know, because it be, you know, be a lot of discrepancy. I got a little bit of experience with that, you know, around here in these PA, PA areas. That's why I started coaching. That's why I started coaching. Because that's what I saw going on. And I was like, oh no, we can't have that. Especially not at the young age. No, not because you're, not because you're the coach's son. You're going to be playing. That doesn't make any sense. Yeah. Yeah. Tell me about it, baby. Tell me, I'm going to need to find out. You got to give me some updates on where, you know, where you coaching both of them or just one? I'm just coaching one. Because my other son, I, Hold up, hold up. Which team are you coaching? The Steelers or the Browns? I'm coaching the Cleveland Browns. What a surprise there. No, but listen, bro. Because my coach is my son, Jet, his coach, Fire. His coach is amazing. They won the championship last year. So I see him coaching them up, doing it the right way. Great plays. These kids are learning their discipline. My other son's team, Joey, they did not do too well. They won one game, you know what I'm saying? Coach was out there, you know, it was cool. Hey, Joe, I don't like you. But I'm like, now I got to come out there and coach and just be out there and do it. The way Jet's coach is doing it. I love it. Right. It's no surprise. That's the... You know, it's got good coaches. They got, you know, they got good mindset. They got, you know, they got good players. They got... The team name was the Panthers. They were the Panthers last year. They just switched the team name to the Steelers this year. So that's all they had to do too, was, hey, all you had to do was switch the jerseys. You know? That's all you had to do. Whatever, D-Bow. You always want finagler. You always want finagler. Listen, man, listen. I don't, I don't, I don't do nothing, man. The colors run deep, you know? Yes, yes. I know. And they run deep. You get born over here? They run deep this way too. I'm, I rock with the... I love the land. Listen to that. When you born in Western PA, you know what they give you? First thing you lay on. Soon as they drop you out, as soon as you pop out, they drop you on them. Right there, they catch you in one of those, would you know what it is? Terrible Tau. Right there, boom. Doctor don't even touch you. You catch you in the terrible towel, boom. That's, yes, okay. Everybody that boy at Pittsburgh, baby. That boy at Pittsburgh, baby. That boy is still a middle baby. No question. No question, baby. Everybody keep their towel, baby. Right there, right there. They fold it up from birth, right there. Put it on the safe. What do you call that? What do you call it? Swallow them. Swallow them in it. Tight. Hey, that's it, baby. That's it, swallow. Okay. Joe. What we got? Let's get to our stillers then. Let's get to our stillers, man. There's some people that believe Aaron Rodgers price them went up because of the Kirk Cousins thing. Charlie Batch actually said, regardless of even Adam Scheffner saying, hey, it's not a contractual situation. Yes it is. And it is why. And it's not, and if not, why didn't he sign? Joe. Yes. Go ahead. What do you think? I think me, you might be on opposite perspectives on this one. Cause for me, I think that Aaron Rodgers, he's chilling. Like, I think he doesn't, nobody's going to be able to rush him to do whatever he wants. If he doesn't want to make a decision, if he doesn't want to say that he's coming back, then he's not forced to rush to say anything. And I don't really think it might be the money cause last year his contract was $13 million with incentives that it could get up to 19 million. Aaron Rodgers has made $395 million in his career, then it $400 million. For him, he could cruise, he could walk away if he wants to, he could come back, he could sign back if he wants to. But I think he's just really, it's on his own time, man. So I don't think he feels rushed. I don't think he feels like he can, he kind of can do what he wants. He can sit out the way and wait until see something happens during the season. How Phillip Rivers came back, anything. Aaron Rodgers, I think he's in a financial position and in the position where A-Rod just don't be caring what type of time nobody else is on. So he can do whatever he wants to do. That's what I think. Joe. What you think? Joe, while I personally have not talked to Aaron Rodgers, I don't have direct communication with him. I'm going to be 100% in the same thought process thinking as Mr. Batch here, the man is like what, 13.65 last year with an additional 5.85 that he could get in incentives, which puts him just under $20 million. Now, his cousin's deal was basically a $20 million guarantee that does give Aaron, I guess a little reason that he would or people would believe that he would have a little more leverage or may need to be paying more. Copy said it. I understand, but that's not going to give him any more power. Our Rooney said, what was it? Last week, he said he hadn't personally talked to Rodgers. He said, but Mike McCarthy was in contact with him on the regular. And Art said he expected an answer by the drive. Okay. Yeah, you could expect that answer. Okay. All right. And McCarthy had already said as soon as he got there that he liked Will Howard. Yes. He was first hired, he said that. And I believe it was last week owners meeting the same thing. He said, quote, he said, people get caught up in what, what like position the dudes was drafted in. But yes, that has nothing to do with it. He also said that if he was in that process last year, he wouldn't have been around in the sixth round. He said, Will Howard wouldn't have been around in the sixth round. So he has confidence in Will. Right. So I tell you this to say, yes, Mike McCarthy and the Steelers would like to have Aaron back, but the price is going to determine if they bring him back. And that's why they want a answer of if he wants to come back before they make an offer. Because I don't believe that if they went and said, hey, we're the Steelers who are coming to Aaron, and we got a deal right now on the table for your Aaron, $50, $60 million. I don't believe he would turn that down. Hell, I wouldn't turn that down. Would you turn that down? And I don't even want to play. Would you turn that down Joe? Right now they say, hey, come on, man, he's got $50, $60 million in one year. You gonna turn it down? I'm gonna go give the best I can. And I'm gonna give you a question. Why they're $50, $60? And Mike blow something, but I'm gonna go give it to you. I'm gonna give you the best I can. No question. But, go ahead. The Steelers don't get an answer before the drive. They're fine with that. And it's not, you know, ideal of what, you know, how they want it to go. But they're just gonna move like they've been moving, dude. Instead of going and doing what they've been doing, which is getting people around in every position. And when the quarterback come, they'll have a quarterback right now. They're like, you know what? Instead of us giving Will another year under Aaron Rogers, we're gonna say, you know what? It's gonna be trial by fire. We're gonna put him in there. If it works, it works. If it doesn't, we got next year. And I think that's just the process or the thought that's going through their head. And that's where they at. Yeah. If he comes back, he comes back, it's great. But we're not gonna tempt him to come back because we have a price so high that ain't nobody can go turn down. Because my thing is, I don't think it's not even to the point where it's a money issue yet with A-Rod. Cause they, like you said, the Steelers haven't offered him nothing. So he doesn't have anything to turn down. Right. He ain't had nothing to turn down. He said himself he hasn't had an offer to look at. But that's the same thing when I'm saying though. A-Rod is in, like when I say, I don't mean the driver seat, but like the Steelers, you got your organization. And this man is 40-some years old. We know he's a vet. We know he brings to the table. But if you want to organizationally get moving and have your team, like you got to be, he's bigger than that. You know what I'm saying? Obviously quarterback is the biggest position, but A-Rod is awesome. I'm chilling. I don't have to tell y'all what I want to do while like, I'm A-Rod. If I don't want to come back, I won't come back. Like you're not forcing me to tell you what I want to do. Why? Because you want to know, cause you want to move on and do whatever you want to do. You want to like determine what you guys want to do. Do what you want to do. Like we're figuring it out. We're talking with Michael McCarthy in communication, but he said he hasn't talked to Erie Taruni, but he's expecting an answer. You can expect the answer as much as you want. But that's A-Rod. We know how he moves. He got 400. He could chill. God have answered you. There's no timeline in his head. There's timelines in team's head cause you got OTAs. You got things you got to do, but if you're him, I can be chilling as long as I want. I don't have to say nothing. I could gracefully bow out and not even tell you I'm retiring. I could just chill, not say nothing. You know what I'm saying? And then if I want to come back, you could do whatever you want. You know what I'm saying? So that's why I'm looking at A-Rod at that point. Steelers, if you want to get an answer, throw that man a deal, throw him an offer, and then you could say, no, the price is, something's on the table. We've sent something out to A-Rod. Now it's up to him to give us an answer before the draft. Cause I'm like, time's a ticking. Unless you make some moves and start saying something, A-Rod ain't got to do nothing. He's cooling. Your organization needs to figure out where you going to move. How you going to do it? Is Will going to be the guy? Are we smooth when we go past the draft? We're addressing to get our team good. So regardless if later on A-Rod comes, we still got this good ass team that all we need is him. You know what I'm saying? Then we're talking what is it? 22 million, 30. All right, we can finagle that and get you here. It ain't going to be 20. It ain't going to be 20, dude. I'm thinking he going to have to be a better. I hear you or better. Yeah, no for that. Because the last year's price ain't today's price, buddy. And what signed for what a backup. Basically they know he's getting the guy that they want to be their starter. So I'm going to A-Rod mindset too though. By that time, I feel you. This is my falling swan. This is my last year out. What's the difference between 22 and 30 when I made 400 million and I'm trying to win with this team that I see now after the draft training camp? Oh man, there's a mob there. There's a good line. There's a good defense. There's pit men. There's weapons. I could just slide in here, possibly win the championship, a Super Bowl with 22, 23, 25. With something around that number where I'm looking like it's not even about the money now for him. He's like, I can go get a nice bag, play with a solid team, Mike McCarthy and be able to go. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. But you know, everybody want to feel appreciated in the way you show their appreciation. There's in that number though. No, no, no. You could talk a lot about how much you love me, but you could show me with that dollar. All right, man. Listen, Tim Hasselback, I guess, NFL analyst, Tim Hasselback said he really don't think Watson has a shot. He said, I really don't think Watson has a shot. He's been away from the game for so long. He's had basically two Achilles injuries. I think his credibility in the locker room has been compromised because of his past. I think there are too many things with it. If they don't drop the quarterback, and I think there's a lot of people that believe they won't, I think Shaddour has got a good chance. He should be in the building to try to prove that he can play at a starter level. Joe, do you agree, disagree with Hasselback's statement? I kind of agree because just speaking on DeSean Watson, the last time he balled out was 2020. He sat out in 2021, and then there's been a lot of injuries. There's been the shoulder. He's played 19 games, 2022 to 2024 for the Browns. And two Achilles injuries, and I'm looking at the athletic ability. His thing was he could run, he could move, and I was looking at him while I was playing for the Browns. You get a little age, you started to get a little older. He wasn't just as explosive. So now coming off two fresh ACLs, people have took... The Arizona Cardinals... He got Achilles, dude. He got, I mean, Achilles, the two Achilles joints. Those aren't no Joe. So when we talk about those injuries to an athlete, that's not just... That's what he uses. He uses his legs along with his arm. So with me, teams like the Cardinals that already bit the bullet, where you know you spent that money and you're gonna take this dead money for Calamari to a tongue of a lure in Miami, you know what it is. You already took your bullet, you bit the bullet. When you're in a Brown situation, Tridore Sanders, I'm feeling like, give him a chance. If it doesn't look like what it is, you still have DeSean Watson on your team that's working and you're paying them 45 million so you have a backup quarterback. It's not a problem for me to look at it like you got to. But for them, I'm thinking that Tridore, he ended the season as a starter. He's grinding. He's in the building all the time. Coach Todd speaks about it. You know what I'm saying? We haven't seen Dylan Gabriel. I don't know if DeSean's in there yet, but I know one thing. I know Tridore's in there. I know he's trying to be... I know he wants to be the QB1. He's preparing like he wants to be the QB1. So for me, draft, tackle, get as many ballers around Tridore that we can. Draft, tackle, get a survivor's seeker. And then we'll see where it goes from there. If Tridore's not looking good, if he's out there throwing unnecessary picks, taking unnecessary sacks, making our team lose games for no reason, then we can move on. We see that he's probably not the guy, but I'm not thinking that's gonna happen. I'm thinking it's gonna be solid. Tridore's gonna look good. He's gonna do way better than he did last year. Just growing as a player, when you get better, tiling them around. And also that's gonna help out. So I would start off with Tridore at 1,000%, he's leading off, he's the team. I think the locker room loves Tridore too. It's like the vibes. You see what's going on. Nobody, he's doing all the right things. He's not doing nothing for the team. We're not, no, everything that I see, Miles Garrett, we love Tridore. So top dudes are talking about that. He's motivated. He thinks that he can be the starting quarterback. I think he can be the starting quarterback. We're gonna see on the field, but it's gonna be a competition. I don't think he's gonna get beat out during training camp. It's gonna be him and Watson getting reps. You're gonna have to, DeSean Watson's gonna have to do something ridiculous to make me, I feel like he takes Tridore's job. I think like, I feel like Tridore has a job. He's gonna have to lose it. And DeSean's gonna have to take it. And then when you go into the regular season, we see how it goes, start him off. He ended the season as starting quarterback. So he knows what it's like. So run it with Tridore and have DeSean still working, competition, competing, whatever, but I think Tridore's job to lose. Yeah, I would have to agree with you on that. I think it's more of Tridore to lose it. And it would be a great, great take of Watson going out there and looking like he was looking before he came to Cleveland for him to get a shot at it because they like, dude, you owe us back pay. Like, you ain't, we got you two under something, you know, fully guaranteed and we ain't got nothing, but you know, what you say, nine games in the last four years. And when you, you know, you go and look at it, go to 24. He was seven games, 164 a game, six touchdowns, three interceptions, one win. Take Tridore seven, he had 175, he had eight touchdowns, but he did have 10 picks, three wins. It's better, but Tridore is a rookie and it's the learning curve. So his next year coming this year should be greater than what it was. Watson was already well into the game, you know, his career had got going. So you add that on top with two whole years missed, you know, all the injuries. I don't see him being able to get much better than what his last performance was. Actually, I see it, you know, declining, you got to get back into a groove and all that. And, you know, you're already running with, you know, Tridore, he's younger, you got, you know, you got Watson, he's going to be older. And like you said, he done, he done lost a lot of the things that made him special just from injuries and not being able to be on the field. Yep. Going in the year 10, you're a quarterback. I'm hoping that everything's going, but you know what it is, two Achilles tears, D-bo. That's not like a simple thing. You coming back from an ankle joint, you know what I'm saying? Get it fixed, you good to go. This is, you know what I'm saying? Real, real, real, it messes up athletes. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, man. So Kyle Shanahan, I guess he had to pull old Joe Burrow to the side and tell him, you know, chill out with that flag football thing he said. I guess he was coaching him in that flag football event. Yeah. He said, I had to grab him one time and I'm like, dude, chill out, man. I remember in one of our first practices, Logan Paul praying full speed to try and grab a flag, grab his flag and he made a move and he kind of collided. And I'm just sitting there like, oh my God, we got a YouTuber running into our quarterbacks. That's what I was saying. Bangles head coach, Zach Taylor, couldn't even bring himself to watch it. He said, I pretended like it wasn't happening until it was over. So I'm thankful we got through it and we're good. And we'll move forward and get ready for our season now. If Joe's going to do something, he's going to go all out and do it. He's trying to win. And that's why we, and that's why we should love him. What you thinking? All right, listen, I'm gonna tell you the truth. So originally, I wasn't tripping on it. Okay. Yes. You know, I know I said, I would let Joe play in the flag, football, Olympics and all that, but I should have changed my opinion when I saw the actual tape, but I was in recruiting mode. You know how they go? When they come to you, when the coach come to your house, they sit down there with your mom and your daddy, tell you all the lies. Uh-huh, yes. Yeah, you get the thing with digit. You get all that. Yeah, I'll tell you everything. So, you know, I was in recruiting mode. I should have backed up off of that. But it is no way in God's greener. I am like 100 million thousand, I am infinity percent against him playing in anything else, but NFL quarterback for the Pittsburgh stills. What do you think, Joe? Ha ha ha. Well, if I'm the owner, if I'm the owner for the Cincinnati Bengals, and I have my franchise quarterback out there, that I need him out there on Sundays, that's what I actually do pay him for. And I know he gives us it all, he's running around. But if it was the fifth, we all be drunk. But if Joe Burrow were to get out there and tear something up, how crazy would we be looking? Do you know what I'm saying? How crazy would the Bengals be looking? And everybody's like, no, no, no, no, you doing it for them? No, that was a flag football joint just for views, just to get people out there. No, there's no real bread here. Joe Burrow's making $50 million a year to be a professional quarterback and has missed games because of injuries, you know what I'm saying? In games, so there's reasons why NFL contracts don't let us do certain things. Did they allow him to do that? Did their contract, did the Bengals say you could go do this? I would guess. Because my thing was this is... I don't know. I actually thought that the flag football thing, like them playing quarterback in my head, I'm like, oh, that ain't a big deal. They go be throwing a ball. And then when I saw it, I'm like, they actually let them run. Yeah. And when you get a little bit... He's trying to make cuts and moves and you got other dudes running at you full speed trying to grab a flag. Like that's a recipe, especially for a guy that's already done had a few injuries. That's a recipe for disaster. Like I am not letting you do that. Like that's a non-football injury, even though it's in football, you can't get injured playing flag football. Oh, no, no, no, for sure. We didn't get injured. No, football, that could be a horrible outcome for him. If he got hurt, you know what I'm saying? Like... Yeah, no for sure. Because that's what you say, it's that non-football injury. He's going to say, that's what gets you about your contracts. Yes, yes. So somebody, I don't know. Like I said, originally, I just thought, yo, you go out there and you just sit in the pocket, like Tom Brady do, like for real, and just throw the ball. But when I saw him shaking and baking and moving and all that, like his shaking back ain't really like that. And you know, he's cutting off the ball. He went back shaking back too. Yeah, he almost tore his own thing, not even, then nobody even touched him, just trying to get up. Nah. I'm not rockin' eight. Joe, I was in recruit mode, and I was lying to you at that time. See? Okay. There we go. You got some arms. Say, your offensive line is not protecting you over there. We can protect you over here. The coaching staff ain't putting the people around you. We go put the people around you. We doing it right now. Joe Burrow. You ain't, we gonna keep it nice and protected. Good line, good defense. Hey, you might be, you score, protecting, we got a, what? We go stop them from scoring. We ain't go, you ain't go be out there and no shoot out. Joe Burrow, you gonna be able to chill, hand the ball off. Hand the ball off, watch them run, brown the clock. You ain't gonna be out there, you know, having to go out there and put your life at risk with a line that came block for you. Can't get you to protect you. No, you got to pass. We sittin' over here, it's never too late. Now that, see, that's, we just look, all right. I just want him to be safe, man. A lot of people are safe too. And I don't think he getting over there. I want his joy back, Joe. You want him to just love the game. I want him to love the game again. That's it. You know? I respect it. It, because if that, D-Boy, you already know, I'm all in for Joe Burrow, for sure. But I'm just, that's just, that's just, that's just like a, it's just so far in my mind, because I'm like, if that happened, that would just be crazy. Unbelievable. And you will be the first person that ever, ever, you've been bringing this up, D-Boy, for a long time. I went back on the thing, you brought this up like six months ago. Listen, man, I'm just asking, I got to talk, you got to speak it into existence now, look at it. You don't always, you know, the timing. You know, sometimes, yes, you need it. Sometimes it takes a while, you know what I'm saying? Man, it's not in your time, it's in God's time. Yes, yes. Yes. Yo, hey, listen, man, the older wine, get the better taste, you know what I'm saying? Mm-hmm, that can't be said. Yes, sir, yes, sir, man, look here, the Raven's over there. Lamar Jackson done showed up at Off-season. Yes, he did. It's supposed to be a big deal, man. I guess we got a video, man, look at the video, man. I don't care. Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. Hey, man, you know who you never go, you never, yep, that's that grind, that's that grind, that's what you, your quarterback, he in there. They quarterback. Yep. Right. Sliding. Joe. Good for him. I guess I'm, what's up? I guess Lamar going to the Off-season program thing, it's a big thing, you know, it's not a big thing, okay? It's Lamar being a professional, all right? You have a new coach. Mm-hmm. Which means you get additional, you go into, you can go in two weeks earlier. So you got new things that's going in, you got new things to learn, you know, you get an earlier start, the coach gets to go ahead and start his program, you know, a little earlier. Yeah. How about that? And Minster stated like last week over the meetings that it's about creating an environment where players want to be there, where they feel like they're getting a lot out of it. Mm-hmm. You know, we need an environment where they feel they're getting better. No, that's, that's, and I like, I like this for Lamar as a leader, as the face of that team, brother. Yes. He, by example. Yes. Doing the things necessary to, you know, show that he is buying in to the new direction. Yes. The new coach and, you know, he's taking the lead. And it's, that's what you're supposed to do. And it's, that's, that's what you're supposed to do. Yes. But I am me. You just said, you prefaced this all that, you said the good part. And then, but I am me. Mm-hmm. And I'm still this man. Yes. You are. I don't want them building nothing in that building. Okay. Mm-hmm. I tried my best to, speak to Lamar's ego about them expecting him to be there. Mm-hmm. Okay. Obviously it didn't work. It didn't work. But, But, I'm still hopeful that he may only be there for a few days. And he has a change of heart and leaves early. Lamar, listen to me. You can still do that because you are Lamar Jackson, a generational talent. That is. And who are they to tell you what they expect? Meaning you better be here or else. You a grown man, you can do what you want. What they talking to like. That's all I'm saying. That's all I'm saying about it. How's you a grown man making millions, millions, millions of dollars he gonna try and tell you what you. Yes. Grown man Lamar. What you better do. You a grown man Lamar. Joe, what's your view on this? What's your view on this recent development Joe? I could just say this. Everything you said at the beginning of your statement, I was rocking with too. I'm happy for Lamar. It's good for Lamar. I'm a, I like Lamar Jackson. You know what I'm saying? As the player, as a player, as a football player, I like Lamar Jackson. He's just dynamic. I want the best for him. I don't want him to not do well. I don't want him to go out there and get hurt. I don't want anything. No harm Lamar Jackson. I love his game. So for me, for him to go in there and just team wise, when you're a quarterback, when you're the leader of the franchise, it is always good to be able to get that relationship as early as you can with your receivers, with your line, get your timing together. Because you're touching the ball every single play. You're the most important person on our squad. And with Lamar's case, you're the best player on our squad, the highest paid player on our squad. Everybody's gonna follow you. You got the swag, you got the juice, you Lamar Jackson, you've been the MVP of the league a couple of times. So if you in the building, everybody should be in the building. You know what I'm saying? So you just kind of saying that foundation. Lamar's in his joint, y'all better be in here. There's no reason why nobody else is working if Lamar's in here working. You know what I'm saying? So I love it from that perspective. Every other thing you said, it's getting them confidence. That's why you don't like it. Because you're like, nah, you expect them to be out there. The new coach, him saying that is, him saying that is he would expect his best player to be there. He hopes that he will be there because especially now he's a new coach. So we got new language, we got new terminology, we got new stuff going in. And hopefully if you wanna be the best that we can be, you're gonna come in here early and get it done. And Lamar showing that he wants to get it done. So it's kind of, it works out. So the coach is probably looking at Lamar like, thank you for showing up. You making me look good. We got the best player in here, like buying in basically. That's full blown buying. So it's a good look. So I bet coaches rocking with Lamar Jackson more now, one of them to succeed. Cause he's saying and showing the squad that I'm in here. I'm trying, I'm motivated and contractually wise. He got two years left. So D-Bo, this what you could look on the right side. Lamar trying to get paid again. They're tripping. So if Lamar goes into this, after this year, he's gonna have one year left on this contract. And then if he goes in with one year left, Lamar like, what they gonna do? Then they better back up the brinks or he could just play one last year and then see if he can wanna test free agency. So like the Lamar Jackson might be able to be on the road unless they start acting right and start paying them like they, he wants a new deal. And I think that's a whole another thing too, why he's gonna be in there showing them, look, I'm bought in now, you know what I'm saying? Show me something. So I think it's a little bit of two. So you can see if they, you gonna hear, I think we'll be hearing contract talks about the Ravens too. So Lamar's in there trying to show them like, look, I scratch your back, you scratch my back. Oh, you know what I'm saying? I understand what you're saying, but I still didn't hear your butt part of it. My butt part is, My butt part is, I don't like it. My butt part was, I keep giving too much. My butt part, my butt part is, it's not good for the Browns and the Steelers. It's not good for the AFC North. It's not good for the division. Like Lamar Jackson being at the top of his game and his team rallying around him and him and the receivers and them just being able to be on the flow, that's not good. That's the butt. You are Joe, Joe, Joe. Stop this, stop this shit. What's up man? You are going to be a Hall of Fame player. I want you to talk to Lamar's ego right now. All right, you want me to talk to Lamar's ego? If they don't give you the bag Lamar, the way that you deserve, then you need to go ahead and you know what I'm saying? Then you might have to bounce out. I need him to get out of there now. Because look, you are who you are. That's the fact. So you know, Debo, I don't want to have to be negative, but that part is, the ego part is Lamar, you that dog, and they need to give you $65 million a year on a five year deal, fully guaranteed, or you need to go ahead and bounce out that thing. There we go. How about that Debo? Is that the- That don't get him out of there right now, Joe. Let's see, how you going? I need him to leave. Not finish the program. So everybody else a lead? See, I can't, man. I don't gotta name me to just be out. No, I'ma leave that to you. I'ma leave that to you. I'ma leave that to you, Debo. I can't. I can't. Bro, I see what type of person you is. Boy, you ain't willing to do the dirty stuff that need to be done. Sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty. Sometimes you gotta get your hands dirty. So, hey, listen, it's dirty stuff about the job that you gotta do, Joe. Sometimes you gotta come down in there and you gotta fill in that gap. You know what that means? My heart is pure. My heart is pure, Debo. That's all I can tell you, legitimately. My heart is pure. Look at you. Look at you making that face when I'm talking about having a pure heart. That's how I can tell you ready to do some dirty work. Joe, I'm new to this. You are. I'm trying to get pure, you know? I'm like a pig that like to roll around in the mud and then go get washed off. You know, I get dirty and I get dirty all the time. It feel good. It was a feeling that I was used to, but I'm, hey, I'm fighting for my life. I'm fighting for my life. I'm fighting for my life. Hey, bro, you are the devil and the angel on each shoulder. That is actually really you, bro. I got one here. I got one here. Let me talk to you too. Cause I know you got so much good in you, but you got a lot of bad in you too. Not being that with the most utmost respect. Oh man. Tal Bose, let's go over here in Tampa, bro. Tal Bose says Baker Mayfield and Kevin Stafansky will have to figure out their beef. So after the Falcons names, Stafansky their new head coach, Baker, accused Stafansky of treating him like a piece of garbage. Baker also said he can't wait to see him twice a year. Tal Bose said that they have to decide that on a field. He said, I think that's something that they have to figure out from the standpoint, from that standpoint, since we can't have a boxing match where they get to get in the ring with each other and knock each other out. You know, we're going to back our guy Baker and I'm sure they're going to back their coach as well. It's a division game. So it's already going to be tough, hard fought game. So it just adds to it. They're already, like you said, they're already division opponents and it's a rivalry. This obviously will add a little bit of fuel to the fire. Joe, is there any games where you were like, you know, I'm going to circle this game on there, you know, and each year you're like, yeah, I can't wait to play this team or this coach or, you know, whatever it was on the schedule. And please don't say it stillers. See, why would I not say this? Look, I wanted to because I was you were disappointed a lot. I think you were what? So in the 11. So that doesn't matter. I mean, that's kind of like Cleveland, you know, high hopes. I wanted to go. I wanted to go against because it was I wanted to go against a B because if you strap the best, then that less people know that you are the best. And I wanted to be on that. I was playing one on one a B. I knew what time it was. So I wanted to go against. Honestly, I want to go against a B. Just just just to see where I was at. D-line, please get there because you're going to have me out here looking crazy if you don't. I can't cover more. I'm going to be I can't cover all day, but I'll be trying my hardest. So we had a B and then I'm not going to lie to you. I would look forward to AJ Green, Andy Dahl and AJ Green. That's more of a matchup. Y'all could I got a win. Yes, we was we won more. We won more of those than we lost, I would think. And I had pretty good days. And he would throw me some, you know what I'm saying? So those are good times. So AJ Green and AJ Green and Antonio Brown, the Steelers and the Bengals. I was I was circled those games because I was on my personal matchups. My thing was I couldn't score points. You know what I'm saying? I can make sure a B had under 50 and didn't score. I can make sure AJ Green had under 50 and didn't score. And that's what made me feel like I was doing my job. And every like time, what were the catches? Did they get in the end zone? Did they get third down completions? Did they move to change? Did I lose on third down? Like when my one on ones, I wanted to be win more, way more than I lost. So like those were just in my mind set, like it's going to be what it's going to be. Jody, just don't make it be on you. If I got scored on by AJ, I felt like when we lose this game for show, that's on my head. And with a B scored, I'm like, oh, yeah, we're going to lose for show. I lost us the game in my mind. Like, oh, hell, if we mess around and win this game, thank you team. Like y'all done looked out for me because I let y'all down. Like I got scored on and now for sure we should. If we lose, I'm sitting there like this. No, I don't care what none of y'all say. Did y'all see me? I got bombed up like the game was over in my mind. We lost. Yes. Like, I'm Joe. I'm walking to the right looking like it's all good. I'm like, I know it's not. But I appreciate that's on me. That's on me. It's all good, Joe. No, it ain't. And we need to make sure they don't get no first downs and I just got scored on. Game over. Hey, you fight, you fight, you fight an uphill battle, baby. Fighting. Fighting under under under under 50. If you get them under 30, like for real for under 30, but that under 50 under under three catches under 50 yards. Oh, that's out of the zone. Out of the zone. The out of the box, obviously, was the best one. But the was just consistently under under 50. You was good. OK, I'd agree with that. No touchdowns here. Zero Tuddies. But you touched on you lost. You can't give up. You can't even give up third down conversions. You then you starting to lose like third and three. You give up a slam. How you looking crazy? Why did you do that? Like, no, that's your money right there. I'm going to go look back at your Joe versus AB stats, man. OK, no, I'm going to go look back to if we had some battles. Less than less than 50. That's a that's a hard one. That's a hard one. How many times you'll play about 10? Eight. Probably something like that. 10 and eight something like that. Yeah. Yeah. I'm going to get I'm going to get to come. I'm going to go look at the I'm going to go look back at the combo comparison that catches the third down. I'm going to go watch them. Once again, because now I got somebody. Tell us what the numbers were. Well, I know one thing I remember the one when he hit me on Thursday night football slip on the comeback. I mean, on the back shoulder fade. Oh, my goodness. I was looking sweet. We were in the all white and Pittsburgh and he caught it. And my boys got hit. Hit my boy. He was all that white. That boy all that white shit on it. And it didn't even matter on that one. Could slipped all up. Oh, bro, that was so that was so maybe had a couple of good ones on me. That was the night. Ain't nobody watching nothing else before ball to man watching me. And that's but that look. That's when I came to hit your boy. He's milk from Fumble. Yeah. My boy. Oh, OK. Y'all won that game. See, there we go. I'm trying to talk. I was asking the question. I did I tell you that we got I got scored on by a B. I'm just asking the question. What do you think? Yes. No, you did not win that game. I got. I mean, you get so offensive, Joe. I mean, I'm just ask. I can't ask questions. I'm about to see. Oh, good Lord. Man, I'm just asking questions. Goodness, man. Like I'm not. You know, I listen to the context clues. I told I'm sorry. I'm sorry. We lose. Oh, OK. I got scored. So you what you think happened? We when I heard the Fumble, it made me think that you got to score back and you like returned the phone before. No, no, no, no, no, no. Oh, OK. OK. I understand that I got it. I got it now. Yeah. I can't say that I circled any games, to be honest, which the fact that you actually showed up to the game was disrespectful to me. So that was motivation enough for me. I think I like that. I like that. Oh, yeah, yeah, you showed up. That mean you think you could beat me. You actually came, you know, saying that was like, oh, that's just that was, you know, that was in my mind. That was disrespectful to me. You should just forfeited and went home and just gave us a win. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, I mean, yeah. Just having that mindset is right. But they they also professionals, they got a job. Yeah, I don't I don't care about that. You got me. That's just my mindset. Like you actually showed up to the game. That was that was enough. You know, and you like like y'all. Like I need to not even show the closer to the game. They took the closer to get to game day and then the closer to get the game time. Like the coach ain't like come over and be like, hey, hey, listen, you don't want to play your boys, man, we won't like, you know, we sick of something. We everybody got the flu like, hey, let's get a body here. So now we got to go out here. We got to put lights out. You saying basically like, be the sleep. You basically like y'all didn't watch enough film to see what I do. OK, that's what you say. I'm just saying, like, I mean, they used to call the distillers defense, the two thousand eight, seven, nine, all that. Ten, like that deep man. They used to call us nightquail. Yes. That's the fact. You going to sleep. They we all put everybody on the sleep. Around clock. Even though you were put. He didn't know you to sleep. No. Put I put one to sleep in Miami. I can't. Night night. Self to sleep. I just know one thing you because I saw my man round clock out there. He will put his own. You know, you got to risk yourself to put yourself to sleep. Joe. I told I told my dude. He came from New England. I think he played with an Ebron middle backer. Yeah, he said, he said, hey, what you be doing, man, that you know, be putting people to sleep? I said, listen, I said, if you want to put somebody to sleep, you gotta go to sleep. You gotta go to sleep. Exactly. I said, sometimes you gonna sleep yourself. You might be the one that go to sleep. So you gotta be willing. Yes. To put somebody to sleep. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yes, that's exactly how D-bo. There it is. You gotta be willing to put yourself to sleep, cause you never know. Oh man. This is an I Heart podcast. Guaranteed human.