Europe Is Falling Behind in AI: Fabian Westerheide’s Wake-Up Call for 2026

Can Europe still make it in the AI race or is the race already over? Did us and or China win the whole thing? Good question. We talked to Fabian Westerheider today. He's the organizer of the Rise of AI conference which is on 6th of May in Berlin here. And he'll give us some of his opinions on if the race is already lost. Welcome back to another episode of the Beginner's Guide to AI. It's Dietmar from Argo Berlin at the microphone. If you want to get all our episodes and some tips and tricks, go to beginnersguide nl to get the newsletter. You can also go to AI for the 99%. This is my second podcast where I talk about how small firms can use AI to make everything bigger and better. So before I talk too much here, let's give the microphone to Fabian.

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So I can talk a lot about Fabian, but the best is I give the word to him because you know all. If I would talk about him, it would be like this typical pr, blah, blah. So. But first of all, Fabian, welcome to the podcast.

2:00

Thank you for the invitation.

2:12

Fabian, you do a lot of things with AI, but why AI? What's so fascinating about AI for you?

2:15

I think it was like 15 years ago. I wanted to do something meaningful with my life and I was always a nerd loving science fiction. And I realized back then AI will change the world. And since I was always interested in high tech, well, it was fulfilling with the biggest wave we are seeing as riding it. And the other thing is I really knew it will have huge impact on society. And since a boy I love to think about, you know, a better world. And AI is a great tool in all directions. So until today My curiosity stayed within and within this because you asked who I am. I would say ecosystem builder. I'm an author, I'm a public speaker, I'm a private speaker. Podcasting. I've done podcasting 10 years ago, like two seasons. I'm investor, I'm a networker, multiplicator, evangelist. You know, you can't put me in any box, but overall I'm like dedicating 12 hours of a day for AI within Europe and 12 hours a day I'm a father or a prepper or you know, just myself and working myself and spending time with family and meaningful relationships.

2:23

Oh yeah, I totally can connect with this. This is more or less how I do things. I, yeah, it's. You can't put a, put a label on also us people. But it's great because one thing you do, and this is the thing, why I got to know you in this context is the conference you have, it's the Rise of AI conference that is actually happening in May, on May 6th here in Berlin. We're both in Berlin, I guess, but this is a special conference. Could you tell us something about the conference?

3:33

So we're doing this now for 10 years. So it's a 10 year anniversary and therefore I have a reason to jump back. 2016, AlphaGo was going there. You know, the Chinese government was dedicating 100 billion for AI. So the race we are currently racing, it started back then, it started roughly 10 years ago. And since then I'm hosting events, you know, there were meetups, talking about the Singularity. Then it was a large exhibition and large conference for thousands of people to tell them AI is coming today. It's a curated 300 people private only conference, but live streaming and we way more talking about, you know, how do we do it right, how do we bring Europe forward, you know, what's the state of the art? The whole ecosystem grew immensely back then we had researchers and dreamers and I was more the dreamer. Today we have hundred thousands of people working with AI tools every day. Thousands of people having an AI in the job title, something which didn't exist 10 years ago. So we're talking about bubble, which is a boom. And this boom is the fastest growing industries we are experiencing in our lifetime.

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Yeah, this is really fascinating. And as you watch this for 10 years, you say it's, it's much more proficient, professionalized. But what, where do you see the problems? Like if you talk about Europe and AI, what's, what's the biggest, I mean nobody, most of the listeners from us, UK or so what's so special? Okay, UK might be Europe if you think about it. But what's, what's, what's the biggest challenges for Europe or where do we go in Europe here?

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So Xi Jinping recognized AI as the major threat for his government and his stability, but also for technology. So he went with his whole country, all in United States realized this with OpenAI and Google and seeing this, the progress there and you know, invested heavily too. So today we have these, these two major players who dominate, I would say 90% of AI unicorns, computing, GPU usage, all this. And within this, the Americans are dominating the majority of it, especially for us. So today the whole stack is running on American GPUs, it's running on American hyperscalers and probably with American cloud solutions. And there Europe is totally failing. You know, if it would be a child, the teacher would say you're way under your potential. You're too lazy to do something. Smart kid, but lazy. You know, we don't change the whole societies within a depression. We are a lazy Wohlstandsverwund society. And the British are no way better. The French are no way better. You know, nothing's state of the art anymore. The whole society is old school. If you look in history books, in 100 years no one will talk about Europe. It's a century of the Americans and the Chinese and Russia will pop up again and they have been there. But no one will talk about Europe because we are not influential in any terms for the last 80 years and won't be. But nevertheless, being a European, I think we have potential, we can do a lot of things. But for this, governments need to wake up, society needs to wake up. A lot of wake up calls needed and the bell is ringing nonstop. Therefore you know, we have a deep problem in Europe. So if you're on the good side, you are us, you know, US is doing really well in terms of AI and they bring us a lot of technologies, a lot of innovation and you know, we riding the wave, can adapt personally and trying to do the best within.

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Do you think you need like a big country? Like you have one president of China or us, they have one person deciding we need AI. And then you have a big country where you can spend a lot of money. I mean in Europe you have lots of presidents, chancellors or whatever and lots of small countries. Is this the structure? Is it the way of thinking? Are we to full, to saturated, to. I don't know, what do you think?

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Why we don't yeah, I'm something thinking, you know, we in Germany especially we lost two wars. Yes, we had to build up. So keeping the status quo is fine. We are ruled by still old white men. And for these old white men, the old world works. They don't want a new world, they don't want change. They don't want change is uncomfortable. The younger the people are, the more they want to change. They want to live sustainable, they want to have education, they want to have capital gains. They don't believe in the old system. The government will fix it. No, it won't fix it because government doesn't want to fix itself and the ruling parties don't want to fix themselves. You know, they all believe, especially the SPD in the old world doesn't exist anymore. You know, the need to work. The whole system is built on exploiting humans, paying taxes versus giving a little bit of money, you know, like unconditional basic income to the people. Let them decide what they like, what they want to do and build your tax system on productivity, especially from the AI. So this is a little bit of my frustration. And this is where the potential lies, but not within the existing generations, but more with the generations to come and to be in current times, which are exponential. That means a lot of change very fast. We are all overwhelmed and overwhelming leads to fear and fear leads to voting extreme. So voting Trump is a sign of fear? Yes. And feeling lost in this world. Um, yes. You need a strong government to make hard fixed changes. And the Americans are not leading for a better system. They don't save a lot of money, they just push their power a lot. But the benefit of having power means for the whole society a certain benefit too. China's doing the same. Even I would say Xi Jinping is using especially for the benefit of a society. It's not like in the US a little few get rich. In China, they try to maintain the welfare for everyone. In a certain ideology. If you're Chinese, if you're not Chinese, you're fucked in the system, you know, but that's how to choose. And in Europe, we're in between, you know, we grow a little bit, or not not. You know, we have some tech companies, we all find a job or opportunity there. But it's like, you know, we're getting a little bit trickle of a huge tsunami up there. That's frustrating again. And yes, I would love to have a strong centralized European government, you know, the United States of Europe finally. But this only will come with a war and I don't want a War with Russia just so we start uniting. Unfortunately, I feel the pressure needs to be very extreme. That means either China starting a war with us a certain way, or Russia is starting a war with European countries a certain way. Or you know, with Denmark, we have the Americans starting a war with us in a certain way. And then maybe it's enough push to unite or we will destroy ourselves even more. You know, becoming a freckle like Germany pre Prussia, you know, when we had hundreds of small states and the big, big nations just manipulated us in a certain way, which means invariably you can have a good life in Berlin or Munich, but then we are like Switzerland, you know, we have a good life, but we have no impact with it. And on the global level, we are just pushed back and forth.

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As this is. I mean, I follow you in many of those things, but this is kind of a negative perspective on how things could become. But to come back to your conference and your mission is you want to show and want to prove there's also something there, there's potential there. Would you. What would you think the most three interesting developments firms or whatever, where you see there could be something.

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So we are living the dystopia. This is not the world I truly enjoy. Look at Trump country. That's not a happy place we're developing to. That's not going to self love and taking care of your children. It's not a good place. And if we don't change something in the small and the big steps, it won't change. So this will continue. And that's my perspective. But within this I'm an optimist. So I'm an optimist living in a dystopian world. And at Rise of AI, we unite optimistic people. 350 people come there, even from parliament government who want to change. There is always someone who wants to change. They're not the majority, but they meet. So for 10 years we meet people who are more doers and executioners. And within this we can go through what's the depths and what the topic will be this year. You know, but this is like my value add, you know, I help other optimists to come together. So at least we fight against the dystopian scenario we're currently living at. Because if we give up hope that we can give up everything.

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Are there certain things where you say there's the lever there, there where you see a perspective? Do you see some firms that have this, that could get this traction? They are strong enough, they can compete or plenty.

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So for almost Everything. We have an American Unicorn or a uni player, we have a European version. You look at Lovable, you know, in Sweden, you look at N8N in Berlin even you can look at Quantum Systems or Helsing, you know, even if there's critics on it, at least they try to bring some innovation in the market and trying to do something. So there are national champions, which are sometimes globally accepted point. The problem there is we want to be technology sovereign. That means we have to get away from being dependent on American cloud clusters for computing chips. But let's say we can buy the chips, that's fine, then they're physical, but we need to have ownership of the physical infrastructure to build our digital software. And this is not working because there's not really a strategy. You know, Europe says, yeah, we have something like Gaia X and Euro Cloud, but we all know it sucks, it's too expensive and too slow, so you don't use it. And this is a challenge, a problem which is fixable, by the way. So this is a trend. How do you build your tech stack as a company? If you're doing AI and do it GDR compliant, EUC compliant? And how do you do it European first? And that's currently something. I'm thinking about it because with some bits and pieces you can do it, but you can't do the whole thing. So if you want to train an lmm, you can use the API and it's pretty cheap. For five euros a month you can work with the API of an American player. If you want to host your own model, just having on your own ram, it's starting at €15,000 just for hosting it locally. And that's like this is a huge difference. You can't do MVPs and cheap with European technology. You can't. You even can go to a company like Neuland AI, they help you, but they want to have corporate clients, you know, they want to have budgets. So if you have a budget, you can build it European way. But if you do it hands on, very tricky at the moment. There's a reason why people love Deep Seq because it's a cheap model, but it's a Chinese technology. And I would never, never, never use Chinese AI. Don't. It's terrible that we use American one, but I still trust America a little bit more than I trust the Chinese.

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So the way is there are things but people don't use them. And it's just, I mean, there's a chance there's a seed that is there And I see it could grow, but somebody has to let like pour water on the seed or nothing grows there.

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So I would say with the talents there, with all the projects there, with the researchers, the founders, the capital and it works. But to really make it turning, you would have to say as a government, well, your architecture has to be European. Force them. If you force a Daimler and a Deutsche Bahn and all the German companies to run a German hardware, at least European clouds, damn, they will go to SAP and then SAP will have to do it. The thing is, SAP works with Microsoft and it's American technology. So SAP would have to be forced to work with a European provider. And then either they buy for a billion one of like Alep Alor and integrate it and make it good or the market itself will solve it. But because a lot of startups will get funding and then investors will pick the winners who will win. And we will have winners because it will work. We have the smart people there, but only if you make it mandatory. And that means kicking out the Americans. And I personally, I would kick them out before they abandon us.

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Yeah, or buy everything that is here and integrated in their stuff.

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Like.

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Well, whatever the. Like the Chinese do it. But we lost so many industries. We can't lose AI industry because it's not existing really. But still we need to build it to run our whole infrastructure in Europe at a certain time, the Americans are investing over 1 trillion and building physical clusters. And we need them because just imagine your GPU is now one prompt back and forth. Imagine you work with an AI and it runs for days straight. That's immensely more computing. Immensely more computing. And we will need this demand. But Europe, we'll need it too. But we don't have the clusters. And in case we have some, they are owned by the Americans. So we have to start somewhere. But that's on the government side. You know, they can move the needle bigger. We as entrepreneurs will figure it out. You know, we have just to find smarter ways to do it a little bit cheaper to stay competitive.

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The smarter ways. This is what I had just in mind. The Chinese, they. Okay, they say just they, they are like three to five years behind or it will take them three to five years. They just.

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No, they are ahead. The Chinese are ahead of everyone, even the Americans, especially in the ways of integration, applied AI and using AI to run government and industry.

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Okay, this is like the but but in science. I don't know, I read something but.

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Anyway, they are number one in types of papers and quotations. The Chinese this is the point. They overtook us all, even the Americans. Many metrics.

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So, so the interesting thing is because Germany has science, or let's say Europe, we have the universities, we have the science, but we have, we have even firms and algorithms and whatever. If you create pictures and there's a lot of stuff there, but that doesn't lead to firms basically that doesn't lead to companies or big companies being founded.

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So. But we have, for example, Black Forest Labs, you just mentioned them. You know, with, in the detail, with following problems. First we have researchers, but we have a very hard time transferring research into companies. Yes, IP transfer is hard because researchers are not entrepreneurs. If you go to mit, you have mainly technical entrepreneurs going there. And then starting a business is way easier. Or Stanford, because the system knows, oh for 20 years we finance them, we support them, give them, this is what they need. But MIT and Stanford, they don't educate researchers anymore. In the majority they go for entrepreneurship because this is how you transfer innovation, smartness into society. We have capital here, we have venture capital funds. But I, I have raised three funds. It's pain in the ass, you know, 95% of capital is sitting in family offices or insurances. It's not flowing, it's old school and bonds or in real estate. So we have there no incentive from government to invest into more venture like in the us In US or in France, you can give a certain percentage of your portfolio allocation to venture capital. Well, this solves a lot of problems because more entrepreneurs get capital and then you have maybe a likely winner because you need a thousand companies to have a hundred comp. Thousands entrepreneurs to have 100 companies to have one big one at the end. But if you don't have a thousand, you know, it's eating. So the capital is not flowing. In small, we have capital. In big, it's not flowing. And then step by step, you know, enterprises don't really get, go all in into AI. They have AI units but they don't buy enough. And government is terrible. You know, administration is not using AI enough. We speak about local governments, we speak about ministries. Yes, on local level, national levels or European levels, everything is still Excel, everything is still pen and paper. Or you know, you, they think Internet means you have a form where you can get an appointment. They think that's Internet. It's not, that's 20 years Internet. So we have to do it one way or the other to become digital. We have to, but I rather do it before we have to, you know, the need is already there. The pain Is there. But how, how much pain do we need? Even more. I think we Germans are very good in suffering. Very good in suffering.

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That's something. Yeah, yeah. So this is actually a thing I would, would totally, totally sign into it because I, I don't, I don't see why. And there. I don't know. This is not. But, but do you think, I mean, this is one thing, you say we need that and what do we need? We should do more before we need to do it. What do you think comes 2026, do we start racing? I mean, you have the conference, you see the people optimist.

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You know, I've written this, I think last week at Artico. Except the reality we don't raise. We don't lost the. We lost the game. Still business as usual. I don't hope for a change anymore because the government we currently have will not change anything. Like the governments before. And the government which will come after them, they will go backwards, so they won't change anything. Good too. Non government. No party. There is no party left in the German parliament which has an agenda for the future and which has an agenda for a technology future. They all have an agenda, but the gender is, from my view of backwards. Germany has done a lot of investments currently into existing infrastructure. Building bridges, repairing schools. That doesn't bring growth, that doesn't bring prosperity and it will not generate jobs. We need investment into businesses which don't exist already. We need investments into quantum, into semiconductors, into AI, into hype, supercomputing clusters, into energy grids. Yes. And in edge computing, all this needs to be built now, so we have something from it in 10 years. So don't expect anything. So take responsibility. If you run a company, use AI, no excuses. If you're an entrepreneur, do AI, no excuses. Wherever you do, educate yourself, use the tools, continue, come to our conference, talk to other people who want to change something and continue your journey. And yes, voice your concerns, tell your mdb, tell your parliamentarians, tell society, Please, please, please. We need to prepare for the future and then do it at small step yourselves. Don't trade to change the whole wheel, just change yourself and do good impact every day.

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Which I actually left because taking responsibility for your own life, your own firm, and not waiting for the state to do something. But it's a pessimistic outview. I mean, I don't.

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Come on. Government lulled us into being a caretaker for a hundred years now it's. That's wrong per definition. You grow up and you're responsible for yourself, always. It's your soul, your life and not the life of anyone else. So stop selling your lifetime to a corporation which is renting you per hour or per day. Figure out what you want to do meaningful with your life. Spend maximal time with your family. Yeah, because this is the life you will remember. Don't play the capitalistic game anymore and try to figure it out how to do it smart. You let 10 AIs doing your job. Be proud on yourself and don't feel shame because you've outsourced it to an AI. Yes, but don't work more, work less, do it smarter. You know, Tim Ferriss the four hour Week, all these ideas already out there. It's your responsibility to catch it and to accept and find a balance. How much money do I really need? And do I just need money to have a good life or do I need money to impress people I don't even like? And at a certain, we are at an age we both, we don't need to optimize anymore to impress people. So we don't need a bigger house, we don't need more watches or you know, I don't even wear one. We don't need objects to feel better. And this is something I wish for everyone. So invest 12 hours of your day with your family. 12 hours to use AI to make this world a little bit better.

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I love it. This is such a good end of the interview and there before the end, before we really end, there is one important thing and this is Fabian, tell us where we find rise of AI. Tell us where we find you. Where can we connect to you?

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So best for the show notes or for the publication. Add me on LinkedIn as Fabian West RiseOf AI. You know, if you look for Riso AI Conference, you will find it. I think I've booked some Google AdWords on the keywords so you will find it there. Get the ticket, join it. It's limited and therefore quality, you know, it's, it's meaningful conversations with a very handful of people. But each time it blows away my mind because from, you know, the State Secretary you have there, the entrepreneur. We sometimes have the 14 year old kids running around because they already did do something with robotics. It's a, it's a huge range of people all united in trying to do the best out of the day and trying to leave impact and you know, having the tools to have impact. You know, we know how to use AI and that's why we go every day a little bit further.

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So people be quick last Time was booked out. There were no tickets anymore. And this time, probably with more AI, hype will be quicker. So get your ticket and I'll talk to Fabian in the next weeks for a longer interview for a little bit more of AI. But for now, I say thank you. Fabian was really interesting listening to you.

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Thank you for the invitation.

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Thank you, Fabian. Oh, yeah, this was something. The AI race might be lost, but there's still hope. At least one can do something. And I love how you see the world as an optimist and at least not just talk, but do something. So, rise of AI Conference, your book, everything great that we have people like you that try to change the world. So people, if you're in Berlin on Inmate, just give me a shout. We can sit together, drink a beer or a coffee. Yeah. So thank you for listening to the to the end of the podcast. Don't forget to go to BeginnersGuide NL to get the newsletter. And a big thanks to Andrea Andreescu, to Lotte Braun, and to Melanie Westermann for helping me producing this podcast. And that's all for now. Switching off Dietma from Argo Berlin.

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