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Especially McKinnon. McKinnon. Dude, I'm telling you. So I spent my week last week in Canada, in British Columbia, in foreign soil behind Enemy Lines, which by the way is a great movie. Owen Wilson, shout out him. And the whole week their trips are starting. We put a couple of bets out with some guys that are also from McKinnon, but my wife's family. Everybody, everybody's just saying, hey, listen, this has been fun for you guys. It's going to be the same thing as the Four Nations tournament. We're going to dominate. We got McKinnon. We got McDable. We got all these guys. We are so much better than you all in the place. And then we start winning. We get to the gold. Your path to the gold was so easy. We're going to body bag you guys. And I told them all week, hey, you guys are going to lose. It's okay. It's your time as the hockey powerhouse is over. It's done. McKinnon, guy's overrated. McDavid, guy is overrated. I'm just letting you know. Hey, I watched the film. You guys seen me on skates. Sherm's got it up right now. That's natural. That's natural for me on those skates. I understand the game. I can tell that these guys are a little overrated. What happens? Conor McDavid in that game. Breakaway. Has separation. Can't even get the puck off. it's like the guy he's like get him get the puck full of stick McKinnon pass over the middle a goal he's bigger than his bus wide open get him put a stick on the puck and then I call I call Quinn after my brother-in-law my sweet sweet tiny little brother-in-law Quinn Gallagher I call him and he won't answer three hours later call him in no answer oh he's ghost finally finally get him on the phone got my fake teeth right there at the screen smiling I go he's like dude whatever whatever dude we should have beat your ass should have been 5-1 team sport man and what are you mad about he goes what do you mean we lost I was like yeah but you knew so Derek he's complaining because we just had a great goalie yeah I don't think we have the best goalie the best player in the game yeah and also he plays he plays for a Canadian team the Winnipeg Jets and which is even better and it's just like Quinn what are you mad about? It's like someone saying, hey, this is going to happen. Someone telling you, I told you last week America's going to win. I told you McKinnon and McDavid, they're overrated. They're going to soil their pants when the time comes. And sure enough, sure enough they did. You prophesied. Yeah. They actually made fun of the Hughes. Jack Hughes, Quinn Hughes, they made fun of them last week. That's who you guys have? I was like, oh, Austin Matthews. They're like, oh, he sucks. That's where he's the captain of your Toronto Maple Leafs, original 16. He's from Scottsdale. All of the Kachuk brothers. Had to hear all about how the Kachuk brothers are dirty and they play the game the right way. So, you guys don't like standing on business? You guys don't like standing on business? So, how do we feel? So, I've talked enough. I love to just keep ripping. I wanted to get that out. I just wanted to get that out. Because I've had to sit there for the last week and just hear all this nonsense. All this mainstream Canadian propaganda just shoved in my face over and over again. Love the country. Love the people. But my God, you guys need to get better at hockey. You guys need to get better. It's been fun seeing the rage that the Canadians have because we've obviously, like America, like we're doing, it's Victory Lap Tuesday. It's going to be Victory Lap for the next four years. It's just like, you know, anybody feels like, whether it's the Patriots winning or, you know, who else in like college football? Alabama, maybe. Alabama, Georgia, Michigan. when those arrogant fan bases do their victory laps, they have all of America now to deal with because we're on such a united front. Team USA, the hockey team, both men's and women's, brought our country together as we're watching on Sunday morning when the men's take the Canadians down. It's like our entire country's together. And now they have to deal with the Americans for the next four years. Four years. That's the shitty part. And here in life, it's not even our best sport. It's like our fourth best sport. They're just going to have to take it. It's fun to watch. the part of me does feel bad because Canadians are such nice people. Great people. Great people, but to see them, just to trigger them a little bit, to kind of touch their pain, it's, I've enjoyed the entertainment. And America being like instigators, kind of just as a general populace, we are going to, that's going to happen for the next four years. And it does pain me that I know I have to go, I'm going back to Canada on Thursday, and I'm going to have to, you know, go through customs with a full red, white, and blue outfit on, and it's not, I don't. I don't know. yeah what do you mean you open it up it's just a folded American flag yeah like I don't want to but I have to I have to yeah and all these arrogant I gotta send a few of these to a few family members yeah all these arrogant fan bases you talk about like the Alabamas the Georgias the Michigans when they win they kind of do a victory lap that's one year and then next year usually somebody else is crowned but what happens if they beat us in the Four Nations next year yeah you can have the Four Nations We're talking about the Olympics. We're talking about Olympic hockey. Isn't there like hockey players saying they'd rather win a, what's it called? Not the World Series. The Stanley Cup. Stanley Cup more than they would the gold medal. I'm sure there's some people with that. Guys that aren't on the gym. Yeah, guys who got silver. Guys that aren't on the squad. And I know we're giving a hard time to Canada. McDavid's a good player. McKinnon's a good player. but when they were handing them the silver medals and it shows their faces and then they hand them the little stuffed animal also put it in a locker yeah that's when you just get in and you're going to look at it they're like what the fuck is this man at the same time they go through with all the medals and then they come back through and they're like sorry I have to do this but here's this little dumb ass stuffed animal and then the handshake after the stuffed animal it's just like alright yeah like this is we are hey great work today They hand him the little fucking stuffed animal. But, dude, best feeling in the world. That game, man. I'm sitting there watching, and then when we go into OT, I hit the group chat. Because, again, I don't watch hockey. And I'm like, do we have a shot with the three-on-three? And then Porter was like, oh, Canada's way better. They got a way better starting three. I was thinking the same thing. He's like, it's not even close. If you want a starting three, Canada's got the three of the best. I'm like, oh, shit. They have the top five best forwards in the world. And probably of all time. Yeah, yeah. Like McDavid. McKinnon leads in goals this year. Right. McKinnon, yeah, he leads in goals still overrated. McDavid, obviously, he's like, what the next Sidney Crosby. And I don't know if I'm throwing out the right thing here, but these guys are unbelievable. Unbelievable. Dude, our goalie is insane. Even in that first period, like when we were up 1-0 and they kind of were down around our net like a mat. Again, I'm a football player trying to talk about hockey. But they're sitting there peppering our goalie, peppering our guy. And I'm thinking, dude, this could be a long – I can't believe that they're not scoring more on us. Because they were just – it seemed like they were in attack the whole time. Especially in the third period, too. It seemed like Canada was just taking over. But they just couldn't score on us. Yeah, it did. And oh, boy, has a shot right there on the open net. That's McKinnon, who leads the league in goals, apparently. Legitimately felt like when you're sitting there playing NHL for the first time, you're trying to figure out the controls, you get your first breakaway, and you don't know what button to put it. Oh, that was McDavid, yeah. It's like, fuck, dude, I was pushing X. I was pushing it the whole time. I was like, this game sucks. Yes, exactly. Dude, it was nuts to watch. That second period, they outshot us, what, 19 shots to 8 shots? And it got to a point the last 10 minutes of that second period where they'd be in our zone, so the blue line, that third. They're in our zone the whole time that we're just literally dumping it so we can make a line change just to get fresh guys out there to once again take on the onslaught of Canada. And so... Sorry, we killed a five on three. Dude, that five on three was crazy. We couldn't score on the five on three. When they had the penalty, I'm like, that sucks. And then we had, what, high sticking? Yeah. Hughes got the high sticking. Jack Hughes, which is awesome. Buddy lost teeth. In every part of this. No, no, no. He was in the box for high sticking. Who's the dude that lost teeth? Same guy. Same guy. Yeah, yeah. Different high stick. Different high stick. Different stick, different team. Different moment. He got a guy with a high stick, which put them in a five on three. so we're hitting this like triangle triangle defense just like hey hope to god this works out the fact that they killed that power play the flying V's with as good as Canada is how they have the best players in the world they couldn't score on three guys five on three is like an automatic like you have to score on a five on three in hockey everybody scores on a five on especially when you have the players that Canada has even a regular power play they should be they were getting too cute they wouldn't shoot the puck they were trying to find like the wide open net And they're getting too cute about it. You know, we talk about red zone efficiency and stuff like that in the NFL. America's power play efficiency, I believe, was 100% in the Olympics. So every time we got a penalty and a guy was in the box, we're playing one man down, no one scored on us. And that's what I loved about overtime, too, because what you want to see is best on best, right? They have the best players in the world. Trim the fat, drop the other two players, give me three on three, our best versus their best. And what did we find out? We had the best. Conor McDavid, McKinnon, whoever else is out there Nobody They're nobodies We had three on three, we saw it with our own eyes And we saw what happened Who's the cat for the Blackhawks? Is it Conor Bedard? I wonder what's going Is it Bedard? I want to know what's going through his mind Because when I was really trying to dive into The Olympics and the teams And everyone was talking about Canada And I kind of have somewhat of a pulse on America And I hear that Conor Bedard didn't make the team I started looking into it. Apparently, he's this prodigy kid, right? Comes in at 18, ultimate prodigy. He's supposed to be the next great one, the next Wayne Gretzky type of individual. Has an underwhelming first two years, which is actually good, but just because of the expectations of the kid wasn't great. This year, he's been lighting it up. Am I correct in saying that? Yeah, he's been lighting it up. Been lighting it up, and he got snubbed for the Canada team this year. And this kid is apparently electric. The one. Yeah. To make it, if you're a Canadian and you're watching the show right now, You probably got to be thinking to yourself, what would it have been different if the one was on the team? Well, they had Celebrini. Hey, I guess we'll never know. I guess we'll never know. I guess we'll never know. And do them bitching about, oh, Sidney Crosby didn't play. Oh, dude. I know. What is that? Yeah, what did that even mean? Sidney Crosby. I know because he, like, took us down in what? Yeah, in the early 2010. He's undefeated with Canada. When he plays, they're like 29-0 or something like that. I know he's a monster, but I don't understand the bitching. Like, oh, we didn't have Sidney Crosby. It's like, well, he's getting old. Yeah. Like, people are like, oh, you have the best goalie. It's like, I don't understand some of those complaints. It's like, oh, you're playing, oh, you beat us because you had the better quarterback. Yeah. Or you had LeBron James on your three-on-three team back when LeBron was in his prime. Yeah. No, what you're saying is you're just pointing out loser mentality arguments. That's like, hey, we beat you. McKinnon sits there and he's like, you tell me who the best team on the ice was. It's like, well, the best game on the ice is the one that scored more points. Yeah, our fourth best sport in the United States. Yeah. Beat your number one sport in the country. And listen, we've already, I love Canada. I'm going back up there. I love it. But you guys got to take this L. Great people. You got to take this L. It's tough because, yeah, we have the best goalie. Maybe in the history of the world. It is funny seeing, I didn't know. Of goalies? Period. Sports. Stock. All of it. Yeah. We have the best goalie of all time. Connor Hoffman. To your point about Canadians having to put up with us, they just need to delete Twitter. Because they don't know how to handle it right now. They're falling for everything. It's so funny. You know what I was saying? They're hanging their flag at half-mast, and it was the pride flag. I'm just like, yo, they're going to have to deal with America. Oh, they're going to hate themselves. And let's just say we go to a Four Nations tournament next year, and they win. We're not planning. Dude, it's not even going to hit us. It's like, oh, you don't have the Olympic gold. Oh, you guys, you taking this little prize, this little all-star prize? Yeah, we kind of sat our best players. Yeah. They weren't even trying. Yeah, exactly. It's just, it's beautiful, dude. And my phone, between first and second period, blowing up. Hey, we're going to get you all these things. After between the second and third, it was an onslaught of just the way you guys are going to fold. We're going to beat you 4-1. When that game ended, I tried calling all those people back. No one would answer. You are sitting there watching like, damn, when are they going to get one of these? Hey, for real. They were just on attack the whole time. People aren't talking about McAvoy's save, though. Hallibuck gets whatever pulled out of position. Our demon steps in and just takes one in the chest and keeps it out. In the crease. He's like, yes. Bro, there was a time Austin Matthews was in there just holding this chest out, waiting to take one on the chin, take a cold puck in the face for his country. That's the difference. This was truly like – That's hard. As like a kid growing up in America, you hear about like Lake Placid, 1980. Yeah. I got to play a tournament there, like the history. And then like 2010, we're starting to knock on the door. Like USA Hockey's coming, but like all the Canadian guys, like it's never happening. And like you start to see it slowly, slowly. Like these Americans are coming up. We win World Juniors. We win Worlds. But we're knocking on the door. and then for like 46 years we are just holding on to this 1980 victory. The Canadians, oh it's over. You guys are never coming back. We just got the movie, The Miracle. Yeah, all you have is a miracle. It's not the 80s anymore. 2026 loaded American team. Jack fucking Hughes. Jack fucking Hughes. 46 years to the date. That little poke dude. 46 years to the date when we beat Russia. And when he gets on the mic with the reporter after the game and he goes, I love this country. We're a team. Like, this is about the flag. I'm sitting there, and I'm like, how do you not just have incredible pride of where you're from? Yeah. Wearing the colors, bro. Wearing the colors. Having, are those like the throwbacks for the 80s? It was like, they honored the 1960 squad. Buddy. When they had the 1960 team. Those uniforms, those guys flying around. And I thought to myself, like, what is the coolest, what would be the coolest thing as an athlete? that's representing your country in something like the Olympics. That has got to be the coolest. To beat them how they beat us in 2010 in OT. Who's the dude, too, who's like a third generation? Brock Nelson. His uncle was on the 80 team, and his grandfather was on the 60 team. Both teams that won the gold. And he's on the 60 team. How badass is that? Unreal, bro. Hey, he's got a son, too. What Olympics will he be a part of? Will his boy be a part of? Probably like the 40s. The expectation on that kid is insane. Yeah. It's perfect, though. It is. The person makes diamonds. Losing your teeth. My grandpa and my uncle both won the Olympic gold, and now I have one. That is badass. Losing your teeth. And then when they ask you about your teeth, you're like, I live in America. We have great dentists. And then you come home to Tate McRae, a Canadian who he's dating. Fella. Fella. Unreal. Fella. I got a tear talk on. What is this? Jack Hughes is already the sportsman of the year. No one else needs to apply. Iconic image that will define U.S. hockey for a generation. That's a Kevin's Natural Foods clean take. That's a clean take right there. It needs to be on Mount Rushmore, bro. Carved in. Yes. Let's see the catch in again. Sherm. So the Kevin's Natural Foods clean take. It's coming from William the 18th. Dogs William on X. Jack Hughes is already the sportsman of the year. No one else even needs to apply. iconic image that will define U.S. hockey for a generation. Clean take. Clean take by William the 18th. When we, us, America is taking photos with our gold and two guys skate away and they start talking about, is it Goudreau? Johnny Goudreau. Johnny Goudreau who passed away in a car accident. These two guys who are technically these kids' uncles, so Johnny Goudreau has two kids, goes to the stands and grabs those kids with the jersey and brings it over so those kids can be a part of something that their dad would have been a part of. I mean, I'm borderline getting choked up just talking about it. The video, once they first touch the ice and they have the kids, and you see the whole team just start going nuts for the kids. I mean, the daughter's smiling like, oh, it's too pure. I know, man. It's too pure. It's too pure. He was like a pioneer for USA Hockey. Was he really? Yeah, like he was on Boston College, 18 years old, won the Heisman for hockey. He's like 5'7", 130 pounds, winning the Hobie Baker, the Heisman. And he's like one of the pioneers that got USA Hockey back into the mix. He should have been on the team. He's been on Worlds. He's been – he played World Juniors. And so like Dylan Larkin and Kachuk grabbing his daughters and his son and his daughter. Yeah, that was amazing. It's unreal. Larkin, Michigan. The USA Hockey Brotherhood is – you just can't beat it. Like it is truly something. You can't beat the hockey camaraderie. No. Hockey culture is one of one, man. You know what? You got 25 guys on the team? Yeah. And they all just ride together and roll together. Like when I was at Michigan, we talked about a bunch of these hockey guys would just roll in packs. And they were always together. And they just would play poop dollar and always fucking do their thing. Getting weird. It was awesome. Getting weird always. Having fun. Laughing. But just having fun. Doing weird stuff. Just having fun. The video of, oh boy, you posted it, but he's like, I'm getting fucked up tonight. Yeah, yeah. It's a trochag. Getting fucked up tonight. Yeah, just looking at his wife. He'd basically be like, don't wait up for me. Like this is going down. Or do, you know. 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You can find True Classic at Amazon and Costco, Sam's Club, and Target nationwide or go online at trueclassic.com forward slash bustin. Look good, feel good, and play good. Dude, yeah, it was incredible. You had a bet. You had a bet with Kyle from Note Boys. Yeah, so Kyle. He's full-blooded Canadian. He's full-blooded. He's pure-blooded. He's pure-blooded Canadian. Full maple syrup. Yeah. Was it Jack, you, me, and Demon? We're in Vegas. We're at the sports book putting one in for the UFC, and he's there. They're putting something in. And I was like, hey, the Olympics are coming up. We should do a fun bet for content or whatever. And he's like, oh, yeah, I'm in, blah, blah, blah. A couple months go by. I hit him up a couple times. Really no response. Kind of doing whatever. Then all of a sudden, I get a DM. He was nervous. I get a DM from him and his boy who's always with him every time I see him. And he's like, whatever you want to do, it's in one of the videos that Matt did. I should give a round of applause for Matt. He did a lot of content for me this week, putting together videos. And Matt was like, I would call him, it would answer on the first ring. And then he'd be like, hey, I'm going to eat dinner and I'll get done. One hour later, that's fucking done. Yeah, hopping in the twin bed after. Got the toes out wiggling. Yeah. So Kyle sends me a nice little selfie video. He'll be like, whatever you want to put on it, action, money, we can do whatever. You can't even tie skates proved him wrong. You can't skate proved him wrong. So he's like, whatever you want to do, we can go and do those things. So Matt and I were talking about it. He's our hockey guy. We got to figure something out. Matt had a phenomenal idea of the loser, which was Canada in this instance. So Kyle has to fly to Washington, D.C. in front of the White House in full U.S. hockey gear, has to wear a sign, Matt's words, I don't know puck, USA Hockey is number one. Am I correct? Yeah. And within 90 days of yesterday, so he has 89 days, and when you're watching this on Tuesday, 88 days, he has to come on Bustlin' with the Boys. Are we able to get him to put in parentheses below the, what is it, don't know puck? Canada doesn't know puck? I don't know puck. I don't know puck. I don't know puck. Below in parentheses could we get, and so is Bustlin' with the Boys. America's number one, so is Bustlin' with the Boys. Sure. I mean I can I can say no I saw him trying to come after your winnings yeah he was trying to come after those winnings so he came after the winnings he's like next gambling I have to donate to some sort of Canadian hockey league or whatever and so I was like alright if USA wins you have to donate $100,000 to Michigan's NIL fund and he's like let's just do the first two let's just keep it fine yeah yeah let's keep it fine yeah because i was kind of like yeah we don't want to do that but if he wants to yeah i've listened to what tate mccray on a stream for 24 hours straight and i took it out he's like what happened to tate mccray and i was just i honestly was like dude 24 hour stream with two kids and one on the way i don't i just don't want to do that yeah like if if it came down to the worst of it which it didn't didn't have to this would have to i'd have to get rid of this so once that happened he's like let's just go back to the original bed. I'm like, all right, all good. Well, the best part of that video is he was like, at the end of it, which I didn't see until last night I was editing, was like, hey, like Jack Hughes sucks, by the way. Like Tate McRae's like living in his head. He did. And then Jack Hughes gets the golden goal. Like, dude, he called out Jack. F off. You know Jack saw it. Oh, yeah. You know Jack saw that. He rolled over. I checked his profile last night. You know who he follows? Jack is burning, yeah. None of us, but it's all good. He probably saw it in his algorithm. He probably rolled over the show Tate the video and was like, I'm going to score the game winner and did it. What was it? Quinn Hughes? Did you see that thing? Quinn Hughes went over to his room or texted Jack Hughes and was like, you up? He's like, yeah, just dreaming about scoring the game winning or the gold medal goal. That's so nailed. That's so nailed. Buddy. That's so nailed. That's fucking electric. They're just scheming. And I don't understand the hate, like when I'm up in the Great White North, people are like, the Kuchuk brothers, they're not even good. They put up the stats after, like Matthew Kuchuk was plus seven. And had like, what, nine assists or something like that in the Olympics? Remember his chirp to Conor McDavid? No, but tell me. What is it? Always the bridesmaid, never the bride? Because he's beaten Conor McDavid the past two Stanley Cups and then beat him in the gold medal. Oh my God, bro. Never the bride. Chirp of the year. I'll tell you what. So this game was incredible. The only thing that I wish was different was right before the Olympics started, or this is when I heard it, you couldn't fight in the Olympics. Oh, yeah. There was no fighting allowed. And that pissed me off because I wanted a first puck drop. Like the Four Nations, right? Exactly. How many fights went off? Three fights in like six minutes. Three fights in the first 18 seconds. Yeah. They disrespected the national anthem. They booed the national anthem. That's crazy, bro. I kind of... And hey, you want to hear some bullshit? Entertainment for WWE, I kind of messed with it. Love it. Oh. I kind of love it. Oh, them booing us. Them booing the national anthem. You've got to tread lightly on that. You've got to say where you're going. Watching the moment, the stage, and everything else. Like, I want war. Like, Canada. I want hate. I want rage. Right. Because America won this gold, because of the four nations. I want war. Where the NHL is right now, it's in the best spot it's ever been in the history of the sport. And it's only because of the United States of America. I mean, that four nations game, like. that's a bar hey so hey so again not not in the weeds with all the canadian stuff they cheated in curling oh bro yeah do you see that i'm gonna remind me so they cheated yeah the rule is when you let go and it's in a forward momentum you can no longer touch especially the the stone can't touch the stone buddy touch the stone that's an impression He didn't just touch it. He gave it a little. He fucking did a little. Hey, just a tip just for a second. He gave it a tip moment. I hope she feels good about this tip. Look at that. Look at that. And then he starts cursing on national television. And the Swedish. I knew he knew he was wrong. Yeah. Oh, you want to call me fucking out there, boy? Yeah. No, no, no, no. That was so crazy because the Swedish guys, apparently people were scheming like, hey, you guys got to make sure there's a camera. They've been doing this all year. And then sure enough, he tells me, he goes, oh, yeah, we can watch the film back, bud. And you'll see what you did. Bud. Bud, budded him. Hit him with a bud. Hit him with a bud. A Swedish cat hit him with a bud. Ran the tape back, but what I'm trying to figure out is we have the tape. How were they allowed to compete? And then be able to hold the most faulty gold medal of all time in history. Right, because they knew what was coming in hockey. You got to give a kid. They had to. And then, I don't know if you saw the photoshops of the guy with the pokets, hasn't poking McKinnon's puck out of the net when he missed the wide line. I was going to say that meme is going to be generational. But to your point, though, like, yeah, I don't get that either. If we got all the cameras and we got the phrase and everything else, How are they getting wrapped with the gold medal? Yeah. You know what I mean? I don't know if there was any sort of discipline enforced, but it definitely is, like, from what I could see and what ChatGBT told me is, like, that's against the rules. But they don't do any, like, reviews? I was trying to watch curling for a little bit, but it got a little boring. What I learned about curling is... I'm sorry. I was into watching, you know, the figure skater. What's her name? Alyssa Lou. The Asian chick? Bro. The one that goes, let's fucking go. Yes, dude. Yes. She's badass. She's badass. She was badass. Like, the perfection of her performance. Like, we're sitting there watching. Because Cheryl was super into it. Rue was into it. And I'm watching this shit go, and it's like, the confidence. It seemed like she was just fully immersed in enjoying her performance. Which I thought was like, I don't know. I feel like you rarely witness something like that. Usually people are in their head. Like, there's a level of focus that I feel like everybody has. Even when they're winning and dominating. but she seemed to be having so much joy during that performance. It was like, I don't know. It was like romantic watching it. Yeah, like floating. Yeah. Everything seemed effortless. You're basically explaining the last lap of F1, and I agree 100%. Great movie. Great, great movie. I watched it six times. It's so good. Your skating needs that edge, though, that edge factor. I think it's going to bring a lot more guys like us. Like, damn, yeah. Dude, Blades of Glory showed us that. Yeah. She said she was smiling about her. She's having fun. She's smiling. She retired from the Olympics from figure skating and then came back for the Olympics. And then she wins two gold medals. And afterwards, they're like, are you going to retire again? She's like, probably. She's literally just getting it for the love of the game. Love of the game, man. Are you going to go to college? She's like, I don't know what I'm going to do. Just hanging out. You know the full back story on her? No. It's crazy. She was adopted? No. Yeah. Not adopted. Her dad is Chinese. Got you. They grew up in China. He fled the country because he's, like, fighting for democracy in China, so they kick him out. He's also a psycho dad and, you know, like, extremely hard on her, all the things, horrible, miserable childhood. Like, she's getting dropped off at ice practice, and her coach is saying she's just showing up. Right when she gets dropped off, she's bawling, crying, because it's too much, too much pressure, all of this stuff. Then she gets really good at skating. China tries to pay the family millions of dollars to come back, okay, compete under the Chinese flag. They say no. She competes in the Beijing Olympics, doesn't get a medal, decides to walk away. When she takes this break, she, like, hikes some of Mount Everest, enrolls in, like, a couple classes at UCLA, and then she was skiing one time, and she kind of, I guess, got the rush again and was like, man, I think I want to go back to figure skating. But she showed up to her coach. She calls her coaches, and she has, like, all these different stipulations. Like, nobody tells me what to eat. Nobody tells me how often I practice. nobody tells me what music I have to skate to I get to do every single thing my way and in her way got her the gold medal this was like 20 months ago too retiring from figure skating just to climb Mount Everest as an 18 year old I mean fuck you Canada clean tank clean tank Chuck Gallagher's pissed right now Sorry, Chuck. We're having fun. We're having fun. You can't forget the women's team, too. Dude, and hey, the captain of the women's team, Michael Schofield, Michigan man. Played football with him. Oh, my God. I'm back to Michigan. I know. Yeah, you're talking about women's team. Yeah, the captain of the women's team is married to Michael Schofield. Who I would say. Nope, I said that. I'll show you the tape later, bud. Okay. It's going to be a It's going to be a It definitely did not do that It definitely did not Hang on, hang on Do we need to test this captain? I think the captain is Hillary Knight Well, she's a lesbian Oh, yeah, I got him on the show field Let's go Let's go Damn it I thought everything was going my way in 26 Nasty goal. Yeah, dangled him. Yeah, Keller. I forgot her first name. Morgan? Morgan or Megan? Megan Kelly. That's right. Megan Kelly. Good call. Bobsled team was kind of a letdown. Bob, Bob, hey, that's okay. I watched one where they were like 17th and start. You watched Skeleton? I was fascinated watching the bobsled because as they have the running clock going, they're always showing it in the red or green. You know what I mean? Like every little checkpoint they have, I'm about .06 seconds behind. and you just get locked in on the times of everything. And you're wondering, like, how do they – they're, like, trying to explain to you how it gets better, like how you get better in your race. One of the events I got really confused about – not confused, very self-explanatory – but running a mile in skis uphill. John, that one guy was six-minute mile pace. Yeah. Hey, buddy, why don't you just take the skis off and go try to run the mile, world record time? Why don't you just run on flat land and not make it so hard? Was it cross-country skiing? I have no clue. It was going viral, and I was like, I mean, yeah. How many people actually go out to do this event anyway? I think it's a newer, it was like a new event added this year. Did we win? No. Oh. No, this was like a, this was a different gap, but he was dumb as hell. No, there's an event that's similar to that where they have to stop and snipe some of those targets. Hey, that's badass. I don't mess with that. To be able to, like, move six-minute mile pace and then stop your heart rate just to hit the target that's this big. Yeah. Like, four times, and then you're just like, I'm out. If you miss the target, too, you have to do another lap around this track. No. Imagine your heart rate just spiked, and then you miss a target at 100 meters. You just kind of go right around to the track again. Jesus. Oh, shit. This is like a dad. It was probably the father of a skier that, like, wasn't that good. He wanted his kid to be an Olympian so bad, and this was his punishment. and somebody saw it and was like, we're going to turn that into an event. Right? It sounds like torture. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Dude, you know what it is? He's always number one in the world. He's been number one for the last five years. Like, yeah, who else does the sport? You know what's crazy? Just the skiing, like, X-game stuff they do. But they've gotten all so good. I have no idea what's good anymore. You see, dude, like, that might have a clean take, right? The snowboard half pipe is crazy. It's crazy. It's like they're doing, like, back-to-back, 900, 8-whatever. 2200 on the super pipe. And I'm like, that's amazing, but how are we grading this now? Because it feels like everyone just rips. There was a trick that had never been done before, never landed. It's been attempted, but it had never been landed before. I think a U.S. guy did it and landed it. It's unprecedented that it had never been done before. And one of the judges was Norwegian, and there was a Norway guy. He was already in first. That Norwegian judge scored the U.S. guy lower than the Norwegian guy. Oh, Tomfoolery is taking place. A little bit, they're saying. Got a silver. Damn, that's crazy. But dude, watching them like span and flip, I mean, it's like, how do you even how do you even look at that and go, nine? You know? It's just nuts. How many more events are there? Dude, the men's I think the closing ceremony was yesterday, right? Which, great time to do it. Yeah, what a way. We had the men's figure skater, the guy who's like the best in the world, but he just kind of fell apart at the end. Yeah. Yeah. He did like the first seven back-to-back quad axles or whatever it was. Like, he's like the man. He like fell apart and lost, but he, I'll tell you what he did do is lose with grace. Like the way he handled that L was so American. And he helped the team figure skating. So romantic. We won gold for the team event, which is sick, that he was a part of. It broke my heart, dude, the way that he just spilled out. Like, yeah, dude. But he did lose with grace. There's something to be said about it. There's a conspiracy, too, that that end of the rink had some faulty things going on. You're lying. Are you being real? That's what I heard. That's what I heard. So people tried to cheat America. Maybe. Which I could see. I could see that. But whatever. Are they all skating on the ice rink? Yes. but did it affect him the most? Yes. Both can be true. Both can be true at the same time. The power is in the question. How do we feel about Russia not competing in the Olympics? I mean, if Canada can cheat in curling, let them back in. So what happened with Russia? What's the story? I think it's the Russia-Ukraine thing. When they're in a war, they won't compete in the Olympics. Every day is an award. Every day is an award, JP. You're correct. To me, the doping thing, you get kicked out. the war side of things, it's the same thing in tennis where they, you know, like they drop the flag of all the Russian players, but they're still out there competing. Yeah, and it's kind of like the players are outspoken like, hey, we don't want this war to be going on. Like we don't want people to be dying. And I feel like if the doping thing is true or it is true, then you get suspended. But if it's only the war stuff, it's like I think you got to let those people compete. I think removing the flag is kind of dumb anyways. because like they removed it in 2018 right but it's like everybody knows where you're from it's like the people of the republicans yeah yeah yeah that feels like that's getting into weeds that we don't know a whole lot about but it would just be awesome to see the Russians compete because the team would have been stacked they would have definitely gotten bronze right they would have definitely meddled how would their hockey team have been they would have been they would have been nasty they have it's the Russians the Canadians Finland too dude like Finland barely got away with losing they lost to Canada in overtime and everyone like even when I was up up North there was a couple guys who were like Finland can beat us like that's how good they are Finland has won the world juniors isn't um the goalie for the Preds isn't he yeah yeah Saros he was the goalie hell of a game it was like 35 shots to 13 in that game dude he was getting Because that's exactly what we had. Like, the game that we watched, this gold medal game, is kind of the similar game that we saw in Finland and Canada, except for Staros just happened to let one through in overtime. Clean tank. Clean tank. It was that close. And someone, you know, I think Cody the Exposed, he's like, hey, hopefully you make it when they beat Finland. And we dusted some team I can't pronounce, like 6-2, just killed Slovakia. Powered by Kevin Zazerfus. I'm empowered by Kevin Zeppelin. You know they're healthy. I had to do. I had to do. I had to do. Gotta get your protein. Gotta get it, dude. Yeah. Yeah. I see what's highlighted right now. What? You know you can't say that. Oh, I didn't know until I was saying it. I didn't know until I was saying it. That's fair. That's fair. That's fair. Once I was saying it, I was like, God. That's a clean take. Sometimes you don't know what you're saying until you're saying it. Okay. That's a clean take. Just drop the volume when I say that. Yeah. So we still get that. Oh, I can't. Yeah. Got to be better about that. What else are we missing? America's the best. Share a clean take. Unrelated to the Olympics, I'd like to give this clean take to Punch the Monkey. Punch the Monkey, he finally got the hug that he deserved his entire life, and he had to go through some of the hardest trials and tribulations to get that hug. but to see Punch the Monkey be embraced by the other monkey community was truly heartwarming and I just want to I wish we knew the name of that monkey that gave Punch his hug. Man, clean tank. I don't even know about Punch the Monkey but clean tank. You don't know Punch the Monkey? No. The little monkey I was getting tossed around and went and hugged the little stuffed animal? Oh, bro. He got accepted into it. I'm almost happy I didn't see it. Yeah, you don't want to see it. You know about Punch the Monkey? He keeps going. He keeps showing up. Oh, he does? Yeah, like he's a grinder. He's from the mud. Same one of that penguin that was doing his thing. I know about that penguin now. Yeah, he was kicked out of his family as a young kid, and he uses a stuffed animal monkey as his, like, partner. And he's in his zoo. None of the monkeys want him around. They're pushing him around. But, dude, like JP said, he grinded. He kept going. He's pushing the rock every day up the hill. So the story ends good for Push the Monkey. Yeah. And I've also read that when Harambe was murdered almost ten years ago, that sent us into ten years of despair. punch the monkeys surviving and getting this hug and winning with love has now given us 10 years of fortune. Wow. Hey, what happened to the penguin? He's still out there. Is he still? Is he? Walking around the guy who's speaking over the screens at certain death. That depends on how you heard it. Okay. Maybe the old. What color do you see? Maybe it was the old him that was dying. I'm mad with that. JP came out of vacation. Flowing right now. What is it? Yeah, he is. Dude, how was vacation? How was Canada? It was awesome, dude. I really enjoy it every time I go up there. It's awesome. We went to a place called Big White. It's like 45 miles, like an hour away. And it's like a little ski resort. And the kids went to ski. What? Just Big White. It's hilarious. Big White. It's Ski Mountain. Ski Mountain. Yeah. They could have done better than that. And, dude, it's like, you've seen the movie Out Cold, yeah? No. Gee, you've seen the movie Out Cold. How Cold? Out Cold. No. Zach Galifianakis puts his penis in a jacuzzi. It's a snowboarding movie. Sounds kind of weird. Guy comes in, starts to buy up the whole town. You guys have not seen Out Cold. I've seen Hot Tub Time Machine with a hot tub. Okay, watch the movie Out Cold. And when you watch the movie, just know that. I've never even heard of it. You've never seen Out Cold? No, no, no. Does somebody get sound off in the comments? Did somebody get stuck on a skier? Yes. With Will Ferrell? No, it ain't Will Ferrell. Basically, these snowboarders and these skiers, or the snowboarders take down the skiers who take down this billionaire guy who's trying to buy up the whole place and monopolize the town into a tourist town, when really they're just trying to keep it all local. But anyway. Sounds like Yellowstone. Okay, yeah. Okay, Yellowstone. So this, the big white place we were at, it's like people ski into town. Like you're on this mountain and you ski into like restaurants and the lodge and these bars. And there's one called like, it's like Snowman's Cam or something like that. And apparently the place just gets super rowdy at night and people are just like falling all over the snow and stuff like that. It was awesome. And then watching these skiers kind of rip by, I'm like, this shit. Did you go skiing? Hell no. Absolutely. I don't want you to take a lesson. Yeah, a lesson. No, no, no. No, no, no. I found my new hobby, and it's ice skating. I loved it when I went ice skating. But just being up there and seeing how, like, dude, when I grew up, every winter, my friends would go to, like, Flagstaff or Durango, all these places. I've said this. And they'd come back in, like, boots or slings or a cast. And I'm like, that looks fucking terrible. And then being done with football, it's like, I've already got enough bumps and bruises from the game of football. Why, like, add to this in my older age? You could do like the small slopes. I ain't trying the small slopes. I want an ice skater. I'd say if the kiddos are getting ski lessons and we're going to ski. Yeah, dude, you send the kids off with an instructor? See you in three hours. Then you hang out, chilling, have a little coffee. Yeah. I thought you should snow tube. Dude, snow tubing. Yeah. Talking about tubing? Yeah. We miss tubing. We miss tubing. You know why? We had a Catan marathon. Me, Quinn, and Taylor, we played like four hours of Catan. You was moving around in the ice skates. You see that though, right? since eight years old. Since eight years old. And I remember I rented the skates. The skates I got, Quinn's like, you better not post any videos. People are going to kill you for those skates. I'm like, that's an even better reason to post a video. My fault. I get to the edge. What? My fault for posting the video. No. Skates. No, no, no. I'm about it. I get to the edge of the snow where the rubber is and you're about to walk onto the ice and I'm legitimately terrified. I'm going to eat shit on this ice. So I call Quinn over. He gives me the arm like a dad, like a father. and I grab his arm and hold on to him for a little bit and I start skating around and I'm like this is so much fun. It's like riding a bike. It's like riding a bike but not really. But not really. He scored a goal, dude. Yeah, well like look at you skating around like that's and I went through Quinn's legs right there too. People, look at this. Boom! That's between his legs. Like you picked that up very easy since I was doing this. You see the crossover? Look at this. Bink! That's nothing. That's nothing. He can't. He can't. He can't make that shot but I did. I did make that shot and then I don't know if this is in the video as well, but I kind of hit the top bar. Well, bar down. Yeah, I hit the top bar on the mini goal. And Quinn was like, hey, that's actually kind of nice. Why don't you come to play a little beer league with me? Dude, I'm kind of into the idea. My mom's a skating teacher, too, so we can get the family out. Two days after I made this video I went and bought my own I have skates now And I am legitimately down to learn how to play hockey I think that would be hilarious if I took you out of the ring Seems like you know bro Look at that Look at that. That's one-handed. We're in the playoffs. We need you. When does the next league start? March. It's like year-round. It's very soon. I need a playoffs. I need a six-month buffer. We have a summer league. You know what's so weird to me? This is going to be a very dumb comment, but hobbies kind of rip. Yeah. Clean tank. Clean tank. I know. It's ridiculous. They're really cool. But there's more to life than just work and hang out with your kids. I can't. That's a clean tank. My kids got skates. We're going to rip. Hobbies are fun. Hobbies are fun. Hobbies are fun. I'm going to skate now, dude. It's an escape at a 1030 at night hockey game. Yeah, man. It's an escape. 1030 at night is a little too late for me. Do we have like a 7 p.m.? Yeah, well, usually at prime time, we kind of got screwed last night with a 9 p.m. puck drop. Here's my goal. Our refs suck, too. I was like, this is a 9 p.m. crew. Fuck them. Here's my goal. I would like to have a tryout for the Predators one year from now. I'd like to try out for the Predators. Just go and skate with the boys. At Bridgestone. At Bridgestone. That's what I would like to do. They do tryouts every year? I would. They need to. Let's smoke Roman. He wouldn't stand a chance, right? He's old. We're talking about Roman Yossi. I got a gold medal. Roman Yossi, Philip Forsberg. Are you older than him? I think so. Yeah. No, no, definitely. How old is Roman Yossi? He's like 30, 32, or 34. But I've talked to one of the guys from the Predators before, and he's like, if you ever get on skates, it'd be hilarious for us to go out there and do some content with them. And now that I've gotten on skates, I'm like, We should actually try to make the team. He's 35. He's way older than me. You would know Forsberg out there. He's friends with George Kittle, friend of the show. I might be nice at being a goalie. You'd be nice at being a goalie. Goalies are weird, though. Just stretching on every time out, taking a sip of water. Yeah, pulling a thing out. Honestly, a goalie's warm-up at the beginning of a game is one of the best things. It goes hard. Bro, they're just With the legs back and forth Yeah Hitting that side to side It's disgusting I would Press game soon? I would like Yes I would legitimately like to Try to sharpen these skills And just go out and play with them one day Maybe there's like The preseason I can go play a preseason game with them Yeah, maybe Or We'll find out Or are you challenging The natural predators To a game Bustin versus the predators Game over You gotta wear a full suit We'll be next to each other holding each other up. Hey, you got the puck. Get it. You do need to be cut. Should we challenge the Predators three on three? Do it right now. Three on three. Should we challenge? I need to look back. Bustwood the Boys is officially challenging the Nashville Predators in a three on three exhibition game for fun. Okay. We'll do it for charity. We'll do it for charity. We'll play goalie. I'll play whatever. I could be nice with a stick. We don't know. I haven't really tapped in any potential. We've got to get out there, dude. Go to Old School 4v4. We need one more body out here. Okay, we'll go 4v4. 4v4. Should we take one of their guys? Yeah, 3v4. We're on a power play the whole game. We're on a power play. Yeah, I was going to say, we should have an extra. 3v4. 5v3. Yeah, they got to hit a triangle on us, dude. See, we can't get through. All right, 5v3. Us first defenders. We're passing it around. Is it you, me, Matt? Who's our fourth? Dude, I played in high school. Did you really? I picked up hockey halfway through my junior year of high school just because hobbies. I was like, I want to see if I can do this. And in our first game, we played our rival, and I missed basically a goal similar to Canada. Yeah, and everyone was rated dead fish on the ice. It's one of the biggest mistakes in my life, but I would like some redemption. So I got a whole bat. I still got my whole gear set up. You know, Jack? You really? Yeah. You still got skates? Yeah. X-60s, man. Dude, we need – so the three of us, you need to be a part of the – we got to go skate. Yeah, I'm in. Yeah, I'm in. Definitely the goalie, right? And boys get the reaction time. Exactly. Yeah. And hey, this is the bust and lure between me and Will. This is bust and lure between me and Will. Will is really good side to side. He's good at changing direction. Quick. I'm good inside the box. Yeah. You get me from B-gap to B-gap, I'm nice. Nice. I can get my mom. She works at the rink. We'll just rent out a little sheet of ice for an hour and just practice. Hour, what, three times a week? Three times a week, yeah. Three times a week. I'll get you guys this game. Three times a week. Three times a week. Oh, we got to practice. Just going back. Yes, we got to skate. We got to skate. If we're going to play the Preds, what? We got to skate. Let's do a prediction game. Yeah, for charity. Gary, one fight per period. Have to. Have to fight once per period. Yeah. Yeah, that's you. I'm not a... Hey, I'm going to get my ass knocked out. You know what I'm going to do? There's going to go... And just fall back. Yeah. Full pads. Full pads. I might have to go full Happy Gilmore just take my skate off try to get him yeah she have a couple guys I wonder like there's no way that five people that never played hockey could beat one NHL player and one NHL goalie oh we could for sure beat them I don't think so dude absolutely Forsberg Forsberg Yosey flying around us flying around I'm going to trip the shit out of them, dude. All right, one thing I got, wingspan. I will take their legs out. We'll just get, you're like six feet tall. Yeah, just sit in front of the net and get tips. 6'7". Yeah, yeah, 6'7". I didn't want to say 6'7", but front of the net. Like who they got, Phil Forsberg? Never heard of him. I'm saying he's like six on. Saros, he's all right. Stamcoast. Stamcoast. Isn't he old? Stamcoast is old. He's pretty old. He's old. He's on a heater, though. He's on a heater. That's okay. 5v1. I mean, look at all of these photos. He's not short on that goalie. Bro, we walked on the front. Yeah, you're right. Look at all these photos. Look how handsome Roman Yossi is. He's so hot. He's a hot guy. And he's finished? Yeah. Yeah, yeah. I mean, Roman's top five looking dudes out there. Forsberg's a hot guy, too. Let's calm it down. Let's calm it down. Scoot it over. Hey, let me put my eyes on Forsberg. Scoot it over. It's like all the friends are just like hot guys. Yeah. Yeah, the bucket doesn't do anything. Oh, dude, we got to get. You need up. Full pads. Bustin' hockey jerseys. Jofa helmets, dude. Old school Russian helmets. No visor. No, I'm going dark visor. Tinted visor? I have a chrome visor if you want it. I want a tinted visor. Hey, also, did you find a USA hockey jersey? No. If there's anyone out there listening thinking get us USA hockey jerseys, please tap in. Yeah, for when we play the Prince. Any of your gold medals that we can use. We'll make Bustin' jerseys. sweaters whatever they're called get the cool lace in it yeah yeah we'll all be number 69 on a on a new Shorzy season too that's going to match I know is it the last one I heard dude that'd be fun so Shorzy that crew they do like a a charity hockey game too we'll take them down after we take the Preds down but right now we gotta take the Preds down yeah we have like a tournament with everybody well we can't do a tournament because we won't last pretty long isn't Matt take it easy isn't there like a NHL all-star celebrity game that like Taylor, like if you worked up your skills. There's Beavers in it. Yeah, Beavers in it. You could play in that. You and JB? Represent America. I would check the shit out of Beaver, dude. You could play in that. He's small. I don't know, dude. He's quick. Beavers clean on skin. I bet he's nice. He's Canadian. His boys are Austin Matthews. You have to steal that relationship. Yeah, but Austin Matthews, you know where he grew up? Scottsdale. So, Scottsdale's kind of the mecca of hockey right now. Let's get him on here. Yeah. Captain. Got to. Toronto Maple Leafs captain. Captain US. Toronto Maple Leafs. All right, we got P. Willis coming up. What's the Rose Sparks? We got a Rose Spicy Tear Talk. Will hitting a Mitch on us right now. Well, I'm just saying. We've been rocking. We've been rocking. We got a Rose Spicy Tear Talk brought to us by Roe, the Boner Pills. Best household chores to do to earn brownie points? With your wife. With your wife. With your wife. Or partner. Or partner. Best household chores? I'm thinking dishes rip. Like the whole you cook, I clean type of thing. Like everyone's bellies are full. Everyone's bellies are full. You say, hey, go ahead and sit down. Relax. Digest a little bit. I'm going to pick up these plates. Yeah. Handle business. How about all the household chores? Mommy, you go out of town. I've been rocking solo with the two kiddos since Saturday. Charles' flight got canceled because of snowstorm out in New York. So I'm rocking with him. I'm going until she gets in tomorrow. But maybe just you do all the household chores and Mama can leave town. She'll take care of the entire operation. So we got dishes and all of them. All of them. You got to feed them. That's right, too. You got to put them to bed. Yeah. You got to cook the foods. Order the foods. Number one W household chore you can do for your wife is if they're out or doing whatever and they had already started their laundry and say it's already in the dryer and you have clothes folded before they're back. That's a good one. That is a good one. This is how you know JP's going to be married forever. Kids dialed. Off the top like that. From the hip. A mind that I love to do back in Texas during the summer months is you put a long-sleeve shirt on when it's hot so that you are covered in sweat. Do a little bit of yard work. Lift the mower. Tilt the mower a little bit when you go over some tall grass, so you just spray your legs with a bunch of that grass, dude. And time it out to when she's coming home, you're out there, and you just do the hat off, and you do one of those, dude. That's an American move. Yo. That's an American move. 95% chance you're getting a fresh lemonade. You will need some Rose Sparks. Yeah. Let me say that. Yeah. You will need some Rose Sparks. Or when Mama's just out, maybe she's at dinner, she's just out of the house, she comes back to a decluttered house, pick up around the living room, clean up the kitchen, get everything nice, spick and span. She walks in. Oh, my God. Did you do this? I did. Daddy did. Daddy did. Yeah. What's this on the counter? It's a Rose Sparks. Why is it empty? It's in my system. Babe, you didn't clean the counter. Oh, no, that's meant to be there. Yeah. What's it say? Rose Sparks? How long has it been? About 15 minutes. It lasts up to 36 hours. That's what you know. 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NFL 2010's All-Decade team. Buckets award winner in 09. All-rookie team in 07. San Francisco 49ers Hall of Fame. Buckus Award winner in college. Jack Lambert Trophy in 06. SEC Defensive Player of the Year in 06. Consensus All-American in 06. First-team All-American in 05. Two-time first-team All-ACC in 05 and 06. ACC or SEC? SEC. SEC. Hey, let's give it up for Patrick Williams. Hey, I appreciate it. I appreciate it. If your team's like, hey, you only have 10 minutes of Patrick Williams, like literally the intro. For all your accolades, it's like seven of those ten minutes. When you get sad, do you ever just get on your Wikipedia page and just look at the achievements and accolades? No, I don't, man. Truthfully, it's only moments like this right here where, you know, I really even pay any attention or just hear much about it or whatnot because I don't really go and look myself up or look at the stats. But moments like this, listening to it, I'm like, wow, that was some work put in. Yeah, that was some work put in. And any of those, like, were you a cat that ever had let doubt creep in? Or what was the thing that kind of was the biggest worry for you when you were playing? Was it, like, getting ready for the game? Was it the worry of, like, an imposter syndrome? Because it seems like there was no hesitation anywhere. It was just rolling off those accidents. I would say, man, the fear of failure. The fear of just not making it out. wanting more for yourself and so I feel like every opportunity was a chance to prove that I belong and that I could do it do that which I set my mind out to do. You talk about the fear of failure and fear of making out we will get into all that because your story is insane like when you were in college in what 03 to 06 so I'm in high school so I'm sitting here learning about Patrick Willis in college I was like, you were like a North Star for every linebacker of that generation. Before we get into it, like what's got you at the Super Bowl? I see you've got Go Bowling on, NFL alumni. What kind of work are you doing out here? Yeah, so I'm excited to be an ambassador of Go Bowling. We are here. What's going down tomorrow at Lucky Strikes, it'll be myself, Tom Raffman, Doug Peterson, Shana Alexander, Jason Sehorne, Man, we'll be partnering up with attendees and attendants, and we'll just be competing. But it's all for a great cause. You know, all the proceeds will go back to the NFL Alumni Association and the former players, which being former players, you know that, like, man, we are at some point in time or some more than others, you know, need those helping hands. So it's a great cause to be here. And also, man, Go Bowling is giving out a free game of bowling on behalf of Super Bowl 60. And so if you go to GoBowling.com, sign up, download the app, and you can get you a free game of bowling. But, yeah, just here doing this and, man, just enjoying the week of Super Bowl. So all people got to do is go to GoBowling.com. GoBowling.com. Download an app, and you get a free game of bowling. Download the app, register. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Put an email. Yeah, all that stuff. You got a couple of points. You got a couple of points. GoBowling.com. You know, financial has changed, but you put in your email. it's free to sign up free to sign up your suit in the back is the best dressed guy back in the middle it's free don't even worry about it so anybody out there something we might have to do too is like we might just have to let the cat out the bag that Patrick Wilson is going to be on so that way we can get the clip out there to let people know when he says tomorrow they know it's actually tomorrow so they're not listening in a couple weeks and we forgot the free bowling that's good that's good That's good. That's good. Definitely got to get that out there. You've got to get free bowling for how long? Like, even? We're at the end of the month. Okay, so you're at the end of the month. Free bowling goes to the end of the month. The end of February. Free bowling. All right, all right. You can sign up at the end of the month. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Coming soon. The GOAT, Patrick Willis. Also, free bowling if you want. I can't keep this secret in anyway. No. Like, this is the Mount Rushmore type. Yeah, when we're going through the list, like, Super Bowl, you're trying to get these big-time guests, these Hall of Fame type cats, and your name split across. It was. Willis sitting behind me, my shoulders. He's pulling my shoulder. I was like, hey, Peter Willis, dude, we can get this guy. You think he'll come? Yes, dude. I think so. Come and get him. Make sure it happens. And then Delaney, you're staying down the road. Willie hits you up. He's like, hey, we're about to have Patrick Willis on. And he's like, send me the address. I'll be there in five minutes. So that's how Bustwood Du Bois planning goes. We don't do that. I called Delaney 15 minutes ago. He's like, send me the location. I thought you need guys like Delaney that are just ready to ride in the office. They were talking about a ride, and I was literally just thinking about, man, my, what, second year in the league. I come into practice. You know, this is my – no, maybe it was my rookie year. It could have been my rookie year, but I come into practice, come into the facility, and I'm still trying to get to know everybody. It could have been a second year or offseason going into a second year. But, you know, you're not really – some of the guys have, you know, those – they have bikes and motorcycles and stuff for a night. and I walk in and I know Delaney had a nice black one and what not I come in one day he's wondering about Bill Bowling you told me there's free bowling I come in one day and this guy here is walking like this and I'm looking at him where's all his skin at this man he said bike he made me think about riding his bike this man's skin all his skin was missing and I'm like, yep, they either going to get rid of him or he's not going to be around because there ain't no way he's going to be able to practice like that. Man, you believe that afternoon this man was out there practicing. When I tell you guys, he didn't have no skin on his body, though, man. All his forearms, knees, and everything was gone, but toes. So I remember that day. From a wreck? Oh, yeah. Motorcycles. Motorcycles. This is before you and me, CBA, with the guys to ride motorcycles. Since he let the cat out the back. Yeah, but we're kind of breezing over. like he always he was going he's at the I gotta let Patrick bring me stuff since he let the count to bat I told the 49ers something else it's okay you guys are retired oh shit that was a real reaction oh shit my bad I told him I was on a dirt bike and slid out in the neighborhood but I was actually on the one-on-one and crashed on the freeway and slid about 60 yards. And it ripped all my skin off. Yeah, he's telling the truth. I came in looking white. Forearms, everything. They had to skin graft me. They scrubbed me and skin graft me that day, and I practiced. Because, like you said, after I was getting my ass cut. Yeah, I'm like, I'm getting cut. If I don't practice, I'm getting cut. So they bought it? They're like, hey, you were just outside? Oh, yeah. And you just slid out on your dirt bike? I was drinking motorcycles to practice, dirt bikes to practice. I was back then, yes. That's old Delaney. Yeah, yeah. That's old Delaney. I'm going to pull it up in a motorcycle to practice. That is crazy. What was Delaney like as a teammate? When you were a rookie, what year were you? Second year. Okay, so you were relatively young. You guys are both young. I met Delaney, what, you were year eight, nine? Something like that. And this is like Delaney Walker goes to the Titans. He's a receiving threat now. He's not a core four guy anymore. So he had a different attitude about him, I'm assuming. Man, no, truthfully, believe it or not, not just because he's here, but, man, Delaney is one of the best teammates that I've had. They asked me earlier the best ones I've had, but as I'm thinking about it now, and I'm literally not saying it because he's here, but one of the things I love most about him was just his work ethic every day. And then on top of that, man, he just embellished the roles that he had and was a difference maker. I haven't said this to you, and I haven't said it to many, but a few, that Delaney, the year that Delaney left, I knew. I said, man, the offense is not going to be the same no more. I said, he was our X-Factor. To me, scanning the offense, and though we had a bunch of players that were like badasses, he was the corporate. He was the X-Factor because he could do everything you see in Kyle, Yushek do now from being fullback to being a U to being an F, catching routes and all that, I was like, man, this guy is really what makes our defense go round. Because everybody else, you can kind of canvas. I was that extra guy. He was one of those guys. He just showed up every day and part of the Tony Montana squad. He just had a heck of a teammate. When he left, I was happy for him that he was going to go do his thing and get his rightful shine. Yeah, get paid Yeah, yeah That means a lot, yeah And then we got the play down And he was covered He was strapping you up, wasn't he? Nah I don't know, you got one catch On you, yeah On you, yeah He only had one catch on me too Hey, one catch club He may have only guarded me once Yeah, but I do remember I'm talking pretty I don't know exactly what we did. Pretty strong. But I had to compete against him and Vernon. That's another thing, man. I had to compete against him and Vernon. And both of you guys, what we see now with all the – I mean, there's nothing new in the NFL. It's just maybe that which has been forgotten. But, man, him and Vernon doing the one-on-ones, you can catch every man with moving. Vernon already was, like, fast. But Delaney was fast. But Delaney had, like, shiftiness to him and whatnot. And me having coach seen the way these toes were set up. I used to dread. I used to be like, God dang it, man. These one-on-ones. I can't wait until we get the team drill. At least I can now see pads. There's just different stuff that you can pick up on. But, no, man, heck of an athlete and was a heck of a teammate. Definitely, yeah. How does it make you feel, Therene? Makes me feel good. Say something nice about pads. No, no, no, no. This is all I'm doing. You got to look at it like when you got Patrick Willis, Navarro Bowman, Tequila Spikes, and you're going against these guys every day. and they're already at the top of their game Patrick, rookie of the year defensive rookie of the year so you're seeing these guys come in and it's like we gotta compete with them every day when they call that tight ends and linebackers it's like damn, put your mouthpiece in they headhunters spikes at the neck too and we're blocking drills first and we're like okay they're gonna win that one We don't win this pass. Yeah. Would you do like one-on-ones like off the line would do? What? Is that not the most bullshit drill of all time? We hate it, bro. Would you guys start from depth or would you start in the line of scrimmage? We would. It would depend. It depends. If outside, because we're running 3-4, so outside linebacker, they would start at the line. But then me being off the ball, you know, I have to catch them. I play off the ball. Off the ball. Yeah, and it's the most unfair thing ever. Unfair. With the running backs, too. I would watch it from a distance while we're doing one-on-ones. I hated doing one-on-ones, but I look over and be like, these poor running backs, dude. Just like 10 yards away, and the guys are sprinting. He's like... They put the bag right behind you. He's not about to juke you. I'm about to just run right through. That's what people just say to you, though. They say, hey, try to work moves. Don't just run through them. They say that, but y'all don't. Y'all just come downhill. That first one always... Yeah, we got to let you know. That's how you shock them, because then they're going to be setting light, or they're going to set heavy, and that's when you put the moves on. Yeah. Dude, one thing I'm realizing is the 49ers now, with Kittle, CMC, Warner, Trent, it seems like their locker room, you'll look from a distance, that locker room right there seems like one of the best locker rooms. Just hearing the way you guys talk, it seems like one of the best locker rooms ever. In that situation, do you think it has anything to do with the 5G satellite thing right next to you guys? Wow. Do you think there's something like it gets your brain in? leaders and like, hey, we got to be bros. Like, is it a bro satellite is what I'm asking? Oh, I like that. Yeah, it's a bro satellite. It's all issues, come with it, but also we're all bros. I love the team that we had. I mean, when I came in in 2007, yeah, we didn't have the best of squads, but, man, the teammates. But then that 2011, 12, and 13, even 14, 14 was like a crazy year for me. But 2011 to 2014, man, these were the best teammates to have from offense, defense, to special teams. And to just see how each and every day, like, we would show up for one another. Like, it reminds me of, you know, the last few years I've been able to be in the 49ers locker room from an ambassador and also football operations. And I'll say, like, that squad that they have, they have that same connection in their ways. And that's the concept when people are like, man, you can come back and play, look at you. And I'm like, man, I don't have the same guys. It's all about the guy that you show up with every day and you build with. And I played, what, seven years with Delaney? So I played most of my career with these guys. And so to come back and not have the same guy, you had to start all the way back over. And then now it's a different league. Now you say something where they're looking at you like, I'm not going that hard. I'm not going to do that. And that would just mess me all the way up. because the guys we had, we're going to show up each and every day. And honestly, I'm thinking about it now, Delaney. He was a heck of an athlete, but I was thinking, I didn't realize you was drafted where you were drafted. And now I'm thinking, I'm like, is that why he was every day, man? He was just, I mean, he showed up every single day as if it was like his life was depending on it or something. But you would have never known that because I would have, I feel like he should have been being paid like, you know, like the top dog because the way he was showing up and whatnot. But I say all to say, yeah, I loved those teammates that I went to battle with each and every Sunday. I would say, and, you know, he probably will speak on this too, we used to have parties. Here we go. Now we're getting into the parties. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey. Alden Smith parties? He never went. Yeah, I had. He never went. What I would do is I would have mine at – Got them. So we would have, what, July? I'm sorry, right before camp, I would always have something at – for two or three years I would have something at my house. My house. And they would come out and whatnot, and it was a great time, man, because we had a chance to just bond. Man, people from – Ooh. Yeah, come all over. We had the taco trucks, and it was a special time. And then when we started winning, in January when we had that, we ended up getting a bye a couple times. And my birthday was the 25th. And so we would have whatever that little window was in there where we could have another little gathering. So, yeah, we just had some good times. We all did. And I mean everybody from Cowboy, Justin Smith, I mean everyone on the team, Joe Staley, we all in the area just vibing, eating food, having a good time. and I think that's what made it so good. Like, after games, it was just like, what are we doing? We all knew we was going to be together. It was just like a close group, man. If you're trying to find a party, you're hitting up Delaney. So Delaney, these parties were like that? And it was the same way as the Titans, too. Like, top tier. If you ever wanted to get into something on the weekend, it's like, hey, what's the way we're doing? I mean, I learned it from being with the Niners. I mean, the parties we throw was top tier. Even at his house, we'll be crazy. At Ray McDonald's house, we'll be, like, lit. We're good crazy at mine. Yeah, we're good crazy at mine. That's the mother when they're talking about it. That's the one you fall back to. That's the one you fall back to. I would be there, but you come for a little bit, and you knew, like, all right, after hours or so, I'm going to get on up at it. Yeah. I'm going to try and be too much fun or whatnot, but it was awesome. Patrick used to have his alcohol at the top. He used to check that shit. We be drinking. He's like the dad that puts the Sharpie on the bottle. No, it's insane, right? It wasn't just any bottle. It was a bottle that I got for my birthday. A friend lady of mine, they got it for my birthday, and it was the Louis. But it was like the big bottle. Big bottle. Yeah. It cost some money. So I was like, man, I'm going to wait until we win the Super Bowl or something, and that's when I'm going to drink it. Man, it was 2000. I don't know if it was year that we went to the Super Bowl or when it was, but I just know I had to party at my house. I come in and I see this rookie the fullback had the bottle in his hand and I see him drinking out the bottle and I see just a little bit left and right away my chest started going I thought what the hell that look you just got right there I'm thinking to myself my god that's how he looked at me as I was looking at him and then all of a sudden I saw him look at Cowboy Justin and he was like he told me he was okay and Cowboy Ain't nothing but some alcohol You can get you another bottle I'm like no that's not the point So wait a minute So did you make Cowboy Or this young cat get you a new bottle And make sure you had the mics a little bit higher No I didn't Cowboy would have got him You sound like a really solid Leader teammate type of guy Delaney would make everybody pay for that I swear to God, Cowboy would have brought him one. If he would have said anything, Cowboy would have brought him. Because when he said Joe Staley furniture on fire, he brought Joe Staley. Hold on. Let's take a quick pin. What happened? Cowboy, a.k.a. Justice Smith. And also Joe Staley's furniture on fire. I'm so happy you're on this podcast. You can tell Pat's like, all right, I'll do some media this week. Go bowling. It's a great cause. Comes in. Great guys. Good teammates. I bring up the cell tower. You're like, we had a great squad. He set somebody's house on fire. So, like I said, it depends on who house was hosting the party. Usually it was the dudes with the most money, you know, Joe Staley, Patrick Willis. They got big houses. So, Joe Staley throw a party. Justin Smith literally just gets to the team like a week or two weeks he gets to the team. And we had Joe Staley house. He got like a bonfire thing in the middle. and if y'all ever seen Justin Smith with a few natties he's scary he can be an aggressive type where you get a little uncomfortable you gotta either fight or wrestle either or that's big guy mentality he goes after I'm gonna just tell a story Joe Staley and him had a little argument he headbuns Joe Staley breaks his nose that's why his nose keeps bleeding on the tongue Every time you see Joe with that. Yeah, he did that little split right there. I wouldn't do that. Headbutts him. Breaks his nose. I don't know what happened after that. Yeah, you do. No, I went in the house, and then I came back out, and Justin Smith was throwing his furniture in the fire. So Justin Smith headbutts Joe Staley. At Joe Staley. You know, Staley's having a bonfire. Justin Smith brand new to the team. But also, Dwayne goes, this is a good time for me to go get into the brand new team. because for some reason Cowboy like to pick on me anything I have he want to mess with me my chain my air ring I'm like dude I'm going to shoot you I can't beat you up I know that I done seen you whoop so many dudes that I was like maybe we'll have a problem and you whooped them so I'm like it's a good kind of first guy you hear in Delaney be a little scared of yeah it's also going into the way like when I got to the Titans you see Delaney the way he does the younger cats like I'll know your name when you make the roster yeah justin smith made that all happen so you sound like a sweet boy and justin smith ruined you no he's yeah justin smith is the nicest dude until he drinks so after after all this how he burns joe staley furniture i didn't even push him through a fence right how did it go no how did he get how did he get to that did you ever do some reconnaissance work where you're like hey by the way how did they get to the point where they burnt his furniture well then he said so i I come up and I tell Justin, I said, damn, man, why you do Joe like that? He said, because you walk up to the biggest person and you beat him up when you're new on the team. Prison rules. That's what he told me. He said, so Joe Staley, the biggest person on the team, I beat him up. Now, Pat, are you at this party? No, I'm not at this party, but speaking of what, Justin, so the first time I meet Justin Smith, the first day we signed him that night, he's at Sino. So I heard he's at Sino, and I'm standing down in Santana Road at the time. It was kind of like a rodeo drive, so there's buildings on top, like apartments, stuff. I walk down to meet him just trying to be there. It's my second year. I just want to go in and hey man, what's happening? I'm Patrick. I'm one of the boys now. I walk up to him to shake his hand and he don't want to shake my hand. He looks at me. You can tell he had a couple of them. He looks at me. He was going, hey, I'm Patrick. He was just like, oh! I'm sorry. But that's how it was. And he did it twice. And then after the second time, I said to myself in my head, I was like, I'm going to have to tell him. He wanted to stop hitting me. He hit me one more time like that. We wanted to fight. And we just getting to know each other. But come to find out, I asked him, I said, hey, man. Not that they was like later on. I said, hey, why would you slap me like that? He was like, oh, I had to see if he was tough or not. I promise you, bro. Yeah, he said. Where is he from? That's what he said. Missouri. Russia? Like, what he asked for? He's like original? That's crazy. He was one of those dudes. That's what they call the show me. Yeah, you got to show me yourself. He was one of those dudes. I ain't going to lie. When I met him, I said, okay, he is football. He smokes cigarettes, drink beer, and can play in the game every day. He will smoke packs of cigarettes. So why did he end up burning Joe Staley's furniture? Yeah, that was going to be accomplished. I think he just got to the point where he broke Joe Staley's nose and then he threw him through the fence or some joke. You can tell us, did he push you through the fence or did you fall through the fence? Something happened. Joe fell through the fence. And like I said, Justin gets to the point where he's blacked out. I don't think he knows what he's doing. So then he just started throwing his furniture in the fire. But then the next day, he brought him all new furniture. He had to deliver it to his house. Should we try to call you a stalee right now? Yeah, ask him how that story happened. After why he did that. After a while, I hope this is the same number. You know, man, Justin got a son now, too, that's a thoroughbred. Yeah, he's taller than... Justin is a monster, bro. Yeah, he's taller than Justin. He's on the 11th grade. What? And one of the high prospects, DM high prospects for Apopka. Wow. Yeah, in Florida. He looks like a young Justin. You know he's telling his boy, too, like you find the biggest son of a bitch on the team. Yeah. He would always say, he would always say to me, we used to joke with him. Because one of the things that amazes me today is I don't have any kids of my own, but a lot of the guys when we was playing, they had like little ones. Now they're not little, so more now a lot of them like, man, they're either taller than I am. And so I remember when Justin was young, I mean, when Justin's kids were being born, especially his first one, we'd always be like, Justin, you going to raise your kids in California? He's like, I ain't raising my kids in no damn California. Like, it's too soft. I'm taking him back to the South. I'm taking him back to the Midwest. And he literally did that, man. He built a big old mansion in Missouri. And when he retired, he took him back to Missouri. You guys keep up with him? I do, yeah. I just talked to him, what, last week it was? Some people just got that mentality. I remember, like, Trent Murphy and then our kicker, it was Dustin Hopkins. They were, like, playing in the locker room. Or Dustin was kind of playing with them or messing with them to where they were wrestling a little bit. and I was watching and Trent got this look in his eye where he started like choking or doing something and it kind of got a little I was like hey what's going on and I just remember asking Trent like hey what was that all about and he's like as serious as possible he's like it's a food chain in here and I was like bro that comment goes so hard that goes so hard I'm not even going to lie and I'm thinking of my head and I'm thinking of my head and I'm thinking of my head in here is something I wish I was 10 years younger right now yeah and I don't think he's just the nicest dude he's the kicker he's just having some fun I'm like, hey, all right. All right, big dog. I'm going to be honest. Trevor's one of my boys, too. I've made sure to keep him close. I'll be honest. If you play with Cowboy, he would have tried you. Yeah. If you was the dude on the team, the big guy, they would have tried you. Bro, you're the fuck. You're no one to shit. That man does the bullshit. You would have known. Hey, for real, though, his mindset of, like, the prison, you got to find the biggest guy, fight him immediately. Like, I had that thought process at Michigan. and then my first day at OTAs, like Kevin Kugler, he was getting all crazy. So I was like, I got to fight this guy in practice today so people know, like, I'm for real. And I fought him, but I was like, this dude would have beat my ass. Because Carl Kugler was the fighter. I think it was Calcoy. Yeah, Kevin Carl, sorry. Yeah, Kevin was a fighter. Carl, Carl. Carl, Iowa kid. Iowa kid. Yeah. I fight every day. Every day he would just try to fight in practice. And the first day he got in a fight, and no one really did anything about it. And then he shoved me after. He's like, you do that again? Something, something. I'm like, next play. And the next play, he was a three-taker. I went to cut him off. And I grabbed his face mask and brought him down. Oh, you did? And I'm like, yeah. And I wish to God the coach pulled me in the office. He's like, why would you do that? I go, it's a food chain out here, man. I wish I could have. He had me one time. He made me delete a photo or a video off my phone because he was wrestling again. like in uh it might have been with uh houston base they're wrestling in the uh the weight room and i caught him in like a little gay position so i was like you know me i'm just being me i'm like i recorded or i take a photo or something like that and trent like corners me he's like hey you got to delete that photo and i was like are you being serious right now because we we're trying to i were like we're boys we joke all the time meetings all this stuff he was just that he had he must have just been in a mood but he was like you're you're gonna delete that photo he's like standing over me he goes i was like bro i'm not gonna like i'm just messing around and he goes he walks to the door he shuts the door because i've been like uh the training we're in the training room and i think i'm in one of the uh the trainer's offices and uh he shuts the door and locks it and he's like you got a minute to delete that photo and i was like hey hey like your boy boy he's my boy bro i mean he like uh he spoke at my wedding yeah he like said a little prayer at the wedding but yeah trin is my he's my bro but he like comes over viking stuff yeah yeah and trin you know how big he is he's also the runt of his family there's like six or yeah big arizona big ones dude he's like the run and uh he locked through he's like you got a minute to delete that photo and i like pulled out i was like here you go delete i was like i deleted it and i sent the phone back on the uh on the desk and he's like go to your deleted album and i was like hey listen man i'm not trying to delete it The fact that you guys made it out of that and you invited him to the wedding. Yeah, bro. We ended up talking, apologizing to each other, having a vulnerable moment with each other. But I remember he had the fear of God in me. When he slowly shut the door, locked in, he's like, you got 60 seconds to delete that photo. I'm like, Jesus fucking Christ. Yeah, he can be 10 sometimes. D-Lineman. I'm with them D-Lineman, them big white D-Lineman, bro. So, yeah. I'm going to say, it ain't many. It's not many of white people. Yeah. No. It's just psychos. Yeah, I'm like, it's not real. It's the white guys in general. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you play with, you said Michigan. You played in Michigan? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Did you play with the left tackle that was drafted to Miami in 2007? No, that's my hero, Jake Long. Jake Long. Yeah. I was wondering what happened. Yeah, I think we was in the same draft. Yeah, 2008. Oh, he was eight. He was eight. You were seven? Yeah, I was seven. He was the first overall in eight. He's the reason why I went to Michigan. I was in Arizona and I transferred schools my senior year because this kid was the number 60 end. They're like, hey, you should play offensive line. You kind of have that build where you can really grow into it. My dad's from the Midwest. He's from Minnesota. He's like, hey, there's this cat who's a left tackle at Michigan. He wears number 77. He's going to be the first overall pick next year. You should wear 77. That's a badass number. I'm like, yeah, okay. Literally just watching him. He came in the league. He was all pro his first year. Four pro bowls in a row. And then just injury after injury kind of just took him out. But that's my goat. When you just said that, it just made me think about it. I was like, man, I wonder what ever happened. Because we had the same agent and whatnot. And he was a super cool guy. We hung out a couple times in Vegas. His money was different. I heard some stories about him in Vegas. He would go to the table. I don't want to put him on blast. He would play and he would lose whatever. And he'd be like, whatever. And walk away. and just being at the tables in general, we've all been there. You lose a dollar, you're like, how the fuck do I get that dollar? Man, that's awesome. You remember that at a time where when you got drafted overall, they gave you $35 million. Bro, he got $64 million. Before you even start, before you even touch the field, $54 million. I got offered by Utah State going into my senior year, and that was when I was like, oh, shit, I'm going to go to the league. My path is clear in my head. And then I see him sign that, I'm like, oh, my God. It's not right now I'm the first goal, bro. What's going to be then? And then like 2011, the new CBA. First overall pick gets 15. It's like, it's not 65. But okay, yeah. But now the money's back to be crazy. 2007? What the hell? Overall. Oh, no, 11. 11 overall. What was your saying? What was your saying, man? Hey, he was pre-CBA, though. Yeah, he got it. I understand the bet. What was your guarantee? Man, you look back on it now, I can see how, I see why them old heads used to say what they would say when they would come around is they'd be like you youngsters y'all making that kind of money if i made that kind of money when i was playing i didn't know you you're young so i'm like all right man y'all just you know you respect them but yeah yeah now now so the same thing i'm like man when i signed i think it was um my signing bonus was like five six million and it was like 11 i think it was like 11 something overall like or maybe 12 million like contract, but man, I look back on life now, and I'm like... Yeah, but then I just think about how you guys have a lot of money, but I almost feel like it wasn't really any money when you started taxes and everything. Yeah, you started breaking it all down. Because the top backers now are getting what? Between like 15 and 20 on the inside? Yeah, so when they started talking a little bit, they was like, man look at you man You could come back and first of all as I said I like man I ain have the same teammates My feet body my body has been long past that But at the same time I like boy if I could somehow get some important juice and somehow, like, get myself, like, perfect. I'm like, man, a two-year deal, like, man, I was like, shit. But at the same time, I'm like, nah, nah. It's crazy, though, because every generation, like, you, if you're able to get paid in the league, everyone's like, hey, congratulations, all this. But then you get five years removed, and it's like middle of the pack guys are making what used to be like holy shit money. That's called inflation, boys. That's what happened. I feel like that happened to me right after I signed my extension. Man, I was the highest paid at the moment. And then next year, I think Sean Lee, the Cowboys, is it Sean Lee, I think it was? Yeah, he ended up crushing the deal the following year. And I'm like, well, that's how it goes. Let you enjoy it for that six-month year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Right to March. That's why you never want to be the first one, though, to get a new deal. Right. If you get it early in the cycle, that's when people start jumping. Like, this past year was, like, Miles Garrett and Crosby and all these defensive ends. Like, everybody wants to be, like, the highest-famed non-quarterback in the league. And they get it. Three months later, someone gets $500,000 more, $500,000 more. It's all this little game. But, like, hey, you were the top for seven days. Like, you were the top cat. I mean obviously making a lot of money in the league is awesome but you were doing alright at Ole Miss weren't you? I thought we were having fun Coach O was too? Coach O Coach O was? Yeah my last two years Before you lie to me We had Coach O And he had a quote We used to just go in the back door and now we get to go in the front door when he was talking about NIL. So it's out there. He didn't bring your name up, but I know that SEC. No, well, I didn't get that. I didn't get nothing. Like, as a matter of fact, I got suspended for $40 and a meal after my – No way. Yeah, $40 and a meal because somehow it got out or whatnot that I had a – it was at our bowl game my freshman year. Eli, it was like the Cotton Bowl. Man, we had a successful year. It was fun. so I just thought like man just a little simple dinner and if you know I get called into the office next in the spring and they tell me they heard that I took a meal and a little bit of money I'm like man it's about 80 bucks and so when I say like man guys were getting paid like money I would just have my stifling and maybe every blue moon you might get a handshake of you know 200 bucks or something but man I heard about what some other guys supposedly allegedly got and I'm like shit man what did y'all know that I didn't know like how were y'all getting money how were y'all getting money like that they needed them I'll talk to the SEC guys in the league and they'd be like I remember I was talking to a coach and I was like they were like how much did you ever get and I was like dude the most I ever got was I got a sandwich and french fries at the brown jug and I went to go pay the bill like it's all good and I thought I'm living right now but then the SEC guys were like you just didn't ask the right people Like you didn't make enough of a fuss about it. Because I just thought, like we had Denard Robinson. We had a bunch of high caliber college football players. But no one had like a nice car or nothing. But you look at like LSU and these other schools. You guys have like Camaros and these nice things. And it's like, is somebody going to like tell me? Like am I going to get the Illuminati? Like how does this work? Never saw it done, man. They say that Ole Miss, was it Junkins? I think it was Junkins at the time when he was at Ole Miss. but one of them was driving like a Bentley. Like, it was driving like a Bentley or something like a real nice vehicle or whatnot on campus, and I'm just thinking to myself, I'm like, man, I remember the closest I saw something like that was my rookie year was some of the seniors. One of the guys' dad was a politician, and so he had this Range Rover, but next thing you know, he went from having 22s to having 24s. another cat that was a running back he and I went from 22's to 26's and they had like these really nice vehicles and so right away everybody's kind of like yeah those are the ones getting like but no I didn't get lucky like that. Really? Which probably was probably a good thing because I think about it now and one of the things I you know I one of the things I think about a lot is how the young guys are getting all that money now and I'm thinking to myself, I'm like, unless they are absolutely just beyond me, way smarter than I am, I say, boy, boy, boy, if we can get into the league and get money then and we don't experience that, the downfalls or the – after it's gone, I can only imagine with these cats now that are young, making this at 18, getting this kind of money, and then at 22, if you didn't do it right, man, it's going to be a shell shot. You make a good point, too, because it's like the whole, whether it's 30 for 30 or whatever it is, like 70 to 80% of guys go broke within five years of playing. And we're talking about grown men, adults, guys with families. It's like, yeah, you could put some of this money in the hands of even younger cats, cats in college. Not even guys in college, too, because these five four-star recruits that are juniors in high school. Yeah, they're getting deals. Yeah, they're getting deals. They have NIL. So they're making hundreds of thousands of dollars, allegedly. I don't know the exact number. Like, at 16 years old. He's hoping they got the right people in the corner. And like Delaney knew me early in my career at the Titans. If I was getting paid money at Michigan, I would not be here today. Oh, definitely. How do these cats not just go nuts? I firmly believe I would have been one of those dudes. Yeah. Yeah. There's no question. Yeah, you're a different guy. Yeah, you're definitely a different person now. When I first met you, yeah. Yeah, it was fun. You couldn't have money already. If you had money already coming in, like, oh, my God. Yeah. Yeah. How long? The parties would have been crazy. You grew up in Tennessee, yeah? Crazy, right. When you started to, like, really come on from a high school standpoint, what were, like, your top five of schools you were looking at that you were probably going to go to? Oh, shit. Man, you asked me a question that I wasn't even fortunate enough to even be have that kind of options. You were what, a two-star? Three-star. Three-star? Yeah, three-star. And I was recruited as an athlete, so not even as a linebacker. So it was almost like you couldn't really, like, all right, is he a linebacker? Because I really had to learn how to play linebacker, like be a linebacker. Yeah, you play the position, but I had to learn how to be a linebacker. And really, I still didn't learn much until after I got to the NFL with Coach Hing. But I still have to say, growing up in Tennessee, man, UT Vols, like, so growing up in, I was born in 85, early 90s, you always see, like, Tennessee Vols, Ohio State, Nebraska, you know, they would always be on TV. And I used to just sit and I would watch and I'm like, man, I can just get to one of those schools. Like, I know I can get to the next level. And so just as I began to grow, I went from like an Ohio State, Niles Dig, Andy Katsum Morgan, to now I'm like, man, we have a Tennessee ball. It's right here. And if I can just play good enough ball, I can get up there. And here I am my junior year. And I went up there, sorry, my senior year now. My junior year, we had a guy who was being recruited running back. And so we went up there on an official visit. And I was like, that was all the time. I was like, man, I got to, this is cool. if I can just get up here and get around this. You know, I was just tagging along. My senior year, I'm out there busting my tail. Like, I'm running all over the field. Later on, I become the first person ever in history to be nominated for both offense and defense, Mr. Football and 1A Football in Tennessee. No way. Yeah, that's great. I'm playing both sides of the ball. And so here I am now. So that happens later, but during the middle of the season, I take two unofficial visits up to UT, DeVols. and my dad used to always tell me when I was young, he said, boy, a closed mouth don't get fed. He would just say that in general, like, more or something. So I'm up here, and I noticed the coaches my second time. I noticed all the coaches are talking to everybody else, but nobody's coming over and saying anything to me. And I'm like, I just ran for three touchdowns. I just had 16 tackles, like, interception, and I'm not even getting a conversation. So I asked the coach, Coach Berry at the time. I said, Coach, why's nobody not speaking to me? He says, truthfully, we're recruiting two other linebackers. and those two other linebackers were a damn good linebacker and they played 5A ball. I only played one A ball and so 5A is the biggest you can play and so they was recruiting Daniel Brooks and Ernie Sims. Ernie Sims was a dog. You know what I'm saying? But I felt like where I come from, it's like you always had the underdog mentality. You come from a small town so they just look up on you. So in my mind, I'm thinking, I don't care if they go to a 5A or not, just put us in a room and let's see who walks out. That was my mindset. Prison rules. It always comes back. He tells me, he tells me, he says, so we're not really interested in you, and we also don't know if you're going to make your ACT scores. So three hours, four of a five-hour drive home, three hours I cried. I was like, man, I've been told I'm not wanted. Like, how could I be balling out like this? And they're not interested. And then my foster dad said, I said, why don't you wipe up those tears and go play at a school that plays against them? And at that moment, I was like, yeah. I said, I can do that. But then the only thing was, and then right at the same moment, I was like, but wait, ain't nobody really recruiting me. Nobody's recruiting me that plays against them other than Memphis Tigers and MTSU. Because they would play them as pickup games. And I was like, well, maybe I can go there. And we play them as a pickup game. When they pick us, when they pick to play us as a pickup game, I said, maybe I can show them then. That's what I was thinking. But then I ultimately said, you know, I'm just going to control what I can control. I'm going to go back. I'm going to stay, you know, focused in school on the football field. And then out of nowhere, Ole Miss pops up. And coming from where I come from, anybody, I don't want to say anybody, but just getting some love from a bigger school, people that showed that they were interested and that they were willing to stand behind you because I did. I done my school work. I went to school, but, man, it was something about taking those big old tests. I had a hard time taking them, man, so I had to take it five times. But within me taking those five times, I remember the scout from Ole Miss, Coach Matt McIntyre, he said, you know, regardless of what happens with this, he said, we're going to stand behind you. Even if you have to go to a JUCO, we'll be there for you when you get out. I didn't understand how recruiting and stuff. I just felt like, man, they really about me. And so I ended up getting my ACC score. And at the same time, the SEC had just changed the grading scale from an 18 to a 17 that year. And that's when I was like, man, it must be fate on my side. But I went to Ole Miss, and if I had to do it all over again, I would go back to Ole Miss, man. That's how much I really enjoyed being at Ole Miss. I mean, it was absolutely amazing. And I knew the day that I was going to go to Ole Miss was on my official visit. We were walking across, and they had this what they call Walker Champions. so something like they do at Tennessee and we walk across that walk with champions and my gosh it was so much beauty there it felt like the campus didn't feel like it was humongous like UT I walk across the campus I'm like I'm going to be late how do you get from there and then so I go to Ole Miss and everything is like boom boom boom and you guys have heard this saying when you know you know I don't know if you guys ever had that in your life but I've had a couple moments where when you know you knew and i remember i walked across that campus and i heard him say we love you eli we love you uh mike and i was and man as we walking across i'm like man this could be them saying this about me and and i remember i said i'm coming to school here and like i said if i had to do it all over again i would i would go back to old men so i said i had to say I only had I didn't really have it I had NAIA schools but no real big schools that were interested so maybe that was just more fuel for the fire when did you know that uh division one football in a future of football was a possibility because you mentioned your foster dad obviously like if anybody who caught your E60 back in the day uh kind of understands the upbringing that you had were you and how many siblings did you have it was four of us four of you guys and then you um you leave your dad's place to go to your foster dad and live with, that was your coach, right? Like, was that the transitional time where you kind of knew this family was looking out for you to get out? Because you spoke very early in the episode where you talked about the fear of failure, the fear of, like, getting out. Was that kind of the transitional moment to where it's like, hey, I can be something more than where I'm at right now? Yeah. I would say it was, I always kind of had something inside that was like, man, I just, I want more than this. I think there's more. I always had to imagine my imagination was just big. Growing up in the South, as you guys know, being in Tennessee, it's just nothing but woods. I wasn't around the city or whatnot, so it was just a town. I pretty much spent most of my time in the woods playing, running, jumping ditches, and saying I'm Michael Irvin. I'm Emmitt Smith. I grew up a diehard Cowboys fan. So that was pretty much me. But it was always something inside that I felt like, man, I want to be special. I don't know if it was just watching Columbo or Matlock, but they just seemed like they were special to me. Or just those figures that you would watch on TV, like, man, that's a cool guy. You go to a movie as a kid, you come out and you're trying to be the main character for the series. So I told myself, I was like, man, I just want to be special. And not only that, I also wanted to be a genius. I don't know if y'all remember that movie Powder, a guy that was super smart and whatnot. and got struck by lightning. Yeah, it was like, I thought, so as a kid, sounds like there's an age gap here in the middle. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, if you check it out. Yeah, man, well, I could just tell me, well, yep, I'll laugh through this one, man. No, so I say that to say, like, so as I wanted to be special, whether it was an engineer, whether it was just, I didn't want to just be a guy that could play football and then not have any brains. not have any brains. And so, again, given just wanting to be special and then also my situation growing up, you know, single parent. My parents split when I was super young, but growing up mostly with my dad and my brother and just having the feeling like maybe it was object, what do you call it, object poverty or whatnot. You know, you're looking outside and you see other people have, you know, other things. You don't have running water until you're eight years old. And I just like, man, maybe if we just had more money, you know, things would be things would be better. And so I just remember being in the sixth grade. This this was this was the moment I was in the sixth grade, sixth and eighth grade. I was in the sixth grade and I heard my teacher talking about retiring. And I was like, man, are you inside? You got the nice weather. My dad and they outside, they working, they logging. I was like, man, what can I do to where I can cut down the time to where I can, you know. So what can I do in life that will be able to allow me to take care of my family and have a good life when I grow up? And I just remember thinking, I was like, man, as much as I like coming to school, this school stuff is hard, man. I don't know how they're doing this one. I don't know how they're this smart. I was like, so I started doing process elimination. I said, but, man, this sports thing. I was like, I tend to be able to pick this up, like, pretty well, and I can figure it out, you know. So I gave myself two options that day. I said, if I do it right, I can play. If I do it right, I can become this professional athlete, and I can save my money. And then by the time I'm 30, I'll be able to retire, and I still have life to live. I was like, because I didn't understand how you'd be 60 or 70, and you retired then. I'm like, ain't you about to die? I'm like, yeah. Hey, it's so real, though. It's like you work forever, and then all of a sudden it's like, what do I have next? Like five years, maybe? As a kid, it just wasn't adding up. It took my imagination. I was like, man, something just ain't right. So I was like, you know what? I'm going to give everything I have in this person. And if I fall short, I said, man, I know how to get it. I go get me a job. I said, I will work it as hard as I can and to be the very best I could be as if I was a football player. And I guess when I'm 60 and 70, I'll be able to retire and get me a John John boat and fish the Tennessee River. I said, but if I do it right, man, I'm going to be able to get me a nice boat. And then by 30. and so I fast forward at 29 I was able to retire um had more money than I could you know think of I went and bought me a boat I fished a little while and then real life jumps on me so so all that to say like man it was just yeah it was just moments in time where you just feel like you you wanted to be something special and you wanted more and it was like what do I need to do? What can I do to do that? And the other, the one last thing was eighth grade year. My guidance counselor, we know you have to pick the curriculums. Are you going to go university, dual, or vocational? And I remember everybody raised their hand. So in my class, I graduated with 40 people. 42 people was in my senior year. My school was K-12. And so I had a small... K-12? K-12, yeah. All one building. That's the way Pat lived his life, man. He was living like 1947. Just like gas lanterns and stuff like that walking around. It felt like that. Like where you look around, like I said, everybody else would have like central heat, but we still, like I said, I didn't have running water until I was eight. So we still didn't have like, you know, running water at times. And so I'm in eighth grade. We're doing having to pick the curriculums or whatnot. And I never forget, she asked all four of us, and it's only in the class of 40, it was only like five black kids in my grade. And I noticed when she asked about vocational, all of them raised their hand, all but me raised my hand because I was going to look. I was going to see, like, all right, who's going to pick what, you know, what's the best one because I wouldn't preview it. I always knew about being a hard worker and those things, but I didn't know these different paths you could take. I saw her say something about dual Then I was when I saw a university And I saw most of the white kids All of them raised their hand And I was like wait a minute I want to go to college too Like I want to be able to go You know get an education and be smart And so I asked the teacher and I said Excuse me can you explain which one of these Can you explain each one of these to me again And then she just asked me she said well What do you want to be when you grow up And I said well first I had two answers But she didn't give me a chance to say a second one I said well first I want to be a professional athlete and I said first I want to be a professional athlete playing and before I can get that out she was like well you know less than 1% makes it and at that time I felt like she was kind of I don't know squashing trying to squash but now that I'm older I understand these statistics I understand how significant less than 1% like you gotta be in to like you know achieve that and especially looking back now like the path but i said in front of the whole class when she said that she didn't give me a chance to even say well second you know if that doesn't work then i'll just be a firefighter or a police person and you know i'm gonna give everything i have and so when she's both so anyways when she says that i said in front of the whole classroom i said because my dad i had to say it right because I grew up with a dad that you got to be respectful to all your elders no matter what, right, wrong, and different. You don't talk back. You don't be smart and smart-mouthed and all that kind of stuff. I said, well, with all due respect, I guess I'll be in that less than 1%. I said it in front of all the little 40 we had, but I remember when I said that, how convicted I was when I said it, but how I knew I had to stand on it. From that point on, I already went harder with anything than we did when we was young because it was just what it was. But from that moment on, everything I did was to take me to where I said I was going to go. So that's why when it came to the ACT, when they said, like, we don't want you, I was like, man, but y'all don't understand. I have this vision. I saw this vision when I was younger. And there was another moment, but I won't bore y'all with those. But, yeah. Nobody bore us. No, no, no. This was just boring. Literally, everything you're saying around this thing, man. When you hit the bar with all due respect, I'm sitting there feeling like I'm watching a goddamn movie. Yeah, yeah. I'm thinking what is the teacher what's her reaction to that when that's all happening or just gets quiet some of the kids probably snicker in the back making it like oh yeah sure buddy there's always going to be a doubter here and there but that's the start of the movie how many people went to the NFL or from college went to a university from your school high school that you know of before you or after you they went to a university or made it to the NFL are you the only person that made it to the NFL from your high school Yeah, only the first thing. But I would always hear before that, I would always hear there was one other guy who – one or two guys who had went and they made, like, the practice squad, but they were only there for, like, a moment. And I just remember saying, like, man, like, I'm going to be that one. Like, I'm going to do it. And a lot of it, too, and a lot of it I felt like, too, like you carrying the weight of so many others who – I wasn't the most talented. I wasn't the fastest. I wasn't the biggest. There was other guys that you saw there, and you'd be like, yep, he's going. You look at me and be like, he goes hard, he tries hard. You talking about in high school? Yeah. Just coming out of the draft. Yeah. Oh, development. But it used to be you and Pads, you'd be like, Jesus Christ. No, but even in the same sport? No, even the draft, though, even coming out for the draft, man, they had, I'll never forget, they had talked bad about me. All I call all the scribes and pundits. they were saying he's not an every down backer. He can't play third down. Can't play third down? Yeah. Who we got? Just so you know. The movie's over. He's won. I don't want to spoil it. He's won for you. They were saying that and then at that time you had guys like Paul Polesny, John Beeson. These are all good good players but I remember like it was yesterday being an API and I remember saying to myself after hearing all of them say what they were saying he's not this he's not that we getting ready for it getting ready to start training and I remember I said to myself when it's all said and done I will be the first linebacker taken and every single day I work to be just that even to after the combine was over A lot of guys, I'm going to rest. I'm going to go back to my hometown. I went right back to API, and I kept on working. So when I went to my pro day, I knew I was primed and ready. And when they called my name on draft day, and I was the first linebacker taken, those were moments where I was like, man, I said I was going to do it, and I did it. And so it's just been moments like those. We interrupt this interview to bring you Neutral. Neutral tastes great and tastes so much better than anything else that's out there. Neutral is made with real vodka and real juice. 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Well, the first day of practice, I've told this story before, but the first day of practice was one of the roughest days that I had had up to that point. I've grown up and had some tough times, maybe not the roughest, but it was a tough day to the point to where by the end of the day, I thought I was going to get cut. I was like, man, they've been cut me, man. You talking about rookie mini camp? Yeah, rookie training camp. I love this overall pick. Isn't it crazy, like, saying that, knowing, like, there was no shot. Yeah, but I didn't get cut. And see, I didn't know that it wasn't a shot at not getting cut. Dude, it's insane. I'd be OTAs my rookie year and be like, yeah, that day, but I might not be here. Yeah. When you, like, go talk to an older guy, like, hey, you think I'm good? They're like, you're an idiot. I was going. Bro, you were a first up. You end up sitting there talking to me and be like, same. I'm thinking, what are these guys doing? But it's so real because you're just – But it's not real. No, it is in your mind. You get drafted super high and you're like, what an amazing moment. But then you immediately go to this and then there's all expectations, all the coaches. You go from what you were saying where Tennessee is like, we don't need you because we have these 5A guys, to now like only people want to talk to you because you're the first round player. Then you go to the first practice and you're not good in the first practice. You kind of get thrown around a little bit. And you're like, oh, my God. they just think they made the worst investment ever and they didn't get out of here as fast as possible. It's a different type of paranoia. Because at this time, too, rookie minicamp, some of us is there. The dudes that got to get better got to go show up to the rookie minicamp. So I was one of those guys. I had to show up because they're like, yo, you second-year guy. Yeah, you second-year guy. You ain't no starter. We had Billy Bajima and then Vernon Davis still at tight end. So it's like, come on. Go up. That's the second year guy? Bro, I had to do the second year minicamp shit too, bro. I was tight. It was honestly one of the best things that could have happened for me. Honestly, yeah. Because they focus on you. Like the coaching staff that's there, they're like, hey. You know everything. All they drafted was Trent Murphy, who was an outside pass rusher. So, the coordinator, linebacker coach, are like, hey, we didn't draft them. All the reps. Yeah, you get all the reps. All the reps. So, when camp do start, I'm on point. On point. I'm on point. I'm crisp. Yeah. it's just mind blowing to me that just knowing the career that I knew with you you were a cat that had to go to a second year rookie mini yeah that's nuts Delaney was like the only guy when I got to the Titans your roster was solid when you guys got there you had a good team oh buddy their roster you guys were dialed we wasn't as dialed when you first came in it was a lot of veterans yeah we had Brian Young Larry Allen Jonas Jennings Chris Smiley we had a gang of vets when we came in we were surrounded by 8 year dudes 8 9 year dudes that's important when I got to the Titans there was you and Michael Roos and that was like there's your back was Big Country still there? no Big Country retired the year before I got there so yeah it was only like three because Rob Barones was there so it was three of us three older dudes how about the defense that you got to play with like looking back you remember when they're breaking down I remember watching whether it was Monday Night Football you guys were playing a primetime game they talked so highly how well because I got to play for Tomsula Minuski in Washington Oh, okay. Minoski was our D coordinator, and Tom Sula was our D line coach. Obviously, legends. Legends. And how they played to where, you know, the edge, like you're setting the edge. So as a backer, you never, you know, as Tom Sula said, you never get your cock to the sideline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You do that. You turn around and tell your linebacker, because you watch film as a front seven together. Yeah. You tell the D lineman to turn around and say, look at Patrick Will, look at Will, and just tell him, fuck you, because you're giving up the edge. And now they got to look stupid trying to chase the sideline. But they would always talk about how you guys could stop the run with a two-shell look. I mean, you had – you said the name earlier, Ray McDonald, Justin Smith, Aldon Smith. Aldon Smith. Navarro Bowman, Deshaun Golsan, Hittner. Hittner. Chris Cully. Chris Cully. Yo, that defense was insane. And same Rodgers, Carlos Rodgers. Yes, bro. On the other side. Oh, my God. I think the foundation of it, though, was built in those years that we were not winning. Yeah. Because a lot of people don't realize, even though we were not winning, we didn't give up a 100-yard rushing in those four seasons. It wasn't until 2011 when Marshawn got 106 yards on us. And that's when we kind of lost it. Somehow we got the name Steamrollers because, like, I don't know. Honestly, I don't even know where it came from. But that's how tight it was. But we worked on it every single day. Everything we did from the fits And everything you said We knew if something got wide We knew who didn't hold the point If them double teams were not coming up If them double teams were not coming up Justin, he would come to the sideline He'd be like, you fuckers ain't moving Are you? What you mean? Sit behind him for too long Sometimes it depends on who you're playing Chris Johnson To play against him You're not going to go into a hole. Yeah. You got to wait until he gets a decision. Yeah, exactly. You know what I'm trying to do? He'd be going or whatnot. That's what I was saying earlier, that to come back now and just show up and be like, yeah, you might go out there and make a tackle and stuff, but it's nothing like playing with a group of guys who truly understand the fit and understand how significant it is to not just run around and say, I'm just going to do this for me, but really understand, man, I'm going to have to stick my neck in here and hold this double-tino or come off this edge and, like, smack this guy so it doesn't get wide for our guys. And that's why I'll always have respect for, man, especially those guys early on, Manny Lawson. Manny Lawson. Ryan Brooks. Ahmad P-Town, RRP P-Town. Just that whole defensive front because, again, like, man, we was – a lot of people don't talk about it, but we were stopping the run. And so for four years, we didn't allow a 100-yard rushing, and we did that with a seven-man box. Seven-man box. So when I'm talking, I've talked to you at times about, like, in the two-gap system, like being so dialed, you being in it, like you would sit there. Any coach I had, we never had front seven meetings, like true front seven where you're kind of meeting multiple times a week. Under Minuski and Tom Sula was the only time where it's like you have the defense sitting in there watching run fits and watching everything, to where everybody understands everybody's job, to where if Pete Willis is reloading a front or moving guys over, a lot of the times you don't even have to do that because the D-line is so in tune with if they're in like an ace pair trips look or if he's tanked or if he motions over, the D-line knows, okay, I'm going to go from a tight three to I might go into a two-eye. And it's literally just like on the stripe. It's not like a loose three to go into a two-eye. You're just moving one little step, and they have to get their hands on. They have to punch or hit that little drop step when they take on a power. And the backers have to press a gap to get guys' eyes to come up. So, hey, if he comes up, now you're clear to fall back. The edge has got to be set. But the entire operation was because, like, again, Minuski, Tom Sula, those coaches that we had, which I know were with your staff, you're sitting there watching, like, as a defense together. And when somebody would fuck up, you know, Tom Sula, he was a massive jokester. He's awesome. He's an Italian guy. He's got the chains, got the umbutt and everything. Talk about you wanted to know a way to double your money. he'd pull out his money and then just fold it in half. He'd be like, now you put it in half and you just put it back in your pocket. Eat a hoagie, some pizza, some beer. They'd be in the locker room after practice. You'd have a cold beer with them. But you would watch everything as a defense together. And that was like the only time where I felt like as a defense, that was the only stature where we did that. And everybody kind of knew what everybody's job was. Man, it made a difference. It was nuts, man. Yeah. Was it with those four years, things not going well, you're not allowing a 100-yard rusher, guys, when they would fuck up, was it very quick to be people being like, that's on me? Because you know already I'm going to be exposing this meeting before. So guys are more quick to say, hey, I'll fix that. Yeah, for sure. Game adjustment, which obviously bred you guys going to the Super Bowl. It felt like it bred it too, like even after games, like you'd have your few guys where you'd just be watching, you would de-align me, you'd just watch them together before you get into that defensive meetings where guys kind of just already know what's happening. I mean, ours wasn't near as good as what their defense was, But to execute that defense with a light box, you obviously got to have horses. But everybody's got to be able to play like that second level of IQ, and that's everybody across the board. And that's what I see in today's game where I feel like I see much more individual ball being played that you can see certain stuff. You're like, man, you know he got that run on you because Buddy is too wide. He needs to squeeze down. Like, there's no need for him to be playing a true three if you got, like, a pair wide, you know, over here. Like, why are you so far back here? Squeeze it. We had calls. I don't want to say I'm on here, but we had calls. I'm sure you know what he calls. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know if that's the second time. I thought the NFL was like, hey, you're moving up now. Like, the Niners got to play tomorrow. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You know how it is, man. He's about to play the Patriots. He's about to go and lock everything. That is so funny. The three tech goes to like a four eye. Yeah, yeah. They know how to squeeze it down tight. Because now that helps me. Because if he's staying out wide overnight and they do do a stretch or a 26, what they do, what they call it, now I'm going to have to play the eight gap that much wider where if he squeezes down to the texture three and squeezes in a little bit more, now that kind of condenses how much more I need to get rocked back. But also how much I need to rock back. But also, too, man, I saw it. I seen it. Like, I'm not a fan of 4-3s. I don't know about you guys, but I can't stand it. When I was in college, I played in a 4-3. But after I got to the league, and this was part of, like, that first day of training camp that had me frustrated. I wasn't familiar with a 3-4 defense. And I was like, man, these suckers are going to draft me. so I had 12 visits and San Fran was not one of them but I did have him in the senior bowl that week and that was a brutal week man, me and Coach Singletary but I said man, they gonna draft me, they gonna put me in the middle and it's not even a true middle I'm on one side, I'm used to being right in the middle where I can go left, right so they gonna draft me and put me on one side and I was like they must not want me to be successful and this is a 3-4 you would think they would, you know, put you on the outside or something or whatnot. And I never forget when that night meeting, Manuski walks in, comes in, asks, you know, he said, so how's everybody feeling? And I thought I took it as personal. I thought he was asking us personally, like, how you feeling? Like, you know, how's everything going? Like, at home? Like, I thought it was personal. I didn't know he was talking about how we're feeling from today's practice. You know, this is, again, I'm just a rookie, so I'm still trying to learn the dialogue. So I'm like, nobody raised their hands. I'm like, hey, Coach looks at me. I know she looks at me kind of like, why are you ready to go here? You're a rookie. What are you ready to go here for? This Minuski? No, at the single series. Okay, okay. But then as soon as I raise my hand, Minuski walks in, and I'm like, oh, man, this is fate. I'm like, now I get a chance to – Coach, he just asked us how we're feeling. Minuski just walked in. I'm like, I finally get to say everything I have wanted to ask, I wanted to say. I've been frustrated for the day they have me in the middle. like Coach Taney cussed me out. I said why y'all draft me? What? I swear it's a true story man. This is rookie minicamp? No this is training camp day one. The whole team's in there. This is just our linebackers but Minuski's walking through to go upstairs and he just decided to walk into the middle linebacker because the outside was with Tarver and whatnot so it was just all middle and I said why y'all draft me? So when I said, why you draft me, I felt somebody doing this to my chair, but I thought they was like, man, like, okay, like, you know, keep going. Like, yeah. But I kind of realized he was trying to give me this setup. So I was like, why y'all draft me? Why y'all draft me and y'all put me in the middle? I said, I thought y'all would draft me to be a playmaker. Y'all draft me because y'all need someone to make plays for you. I said, y'all draft me, y'all put me in the middle. And Minuski's just looking at me. He was like, I can only imagine what was going through his head. But he was just looking at me as if like, is he really having this conversation? Are you really talking like this right now? And he says, well, you know, but as I'm looking at Minuski, I also look at Singletay. It's like, you know, you got that peripheral vision. He's looking at his shoes. And I see Cozine, as I'm saying this, like asking these questions, I see Cozine taking his glasses off. he sets him on the table I'm like oh man he might be really feeling me like I'm like the mind you know I haven't taken a visit or nothing here so I'm like I saw him I saw him take those glasses off like that and I still feel this right here right man seeing him gets up and walks out of the room and when he gets up and walks out of the room I swear he gets up and walks out of the room and I'm thinking to myself like that's very disrespectful I thought you just asked a question and I'm answering it and you just get up and you walk out of the room and then Minuski says well you know Ray played in 3-4 and he was an all pro and he started naming off these guys and I was like yeah but I thought Ray played in 4-3 when he was doing all that wrecking habit and what not and I was just going back and forth with Minuski and what not he was like with Junior's play out and then finally he said fuck Pat I don't know just fucking play ball and I said when he said that I feel like I heard my dad just say you know it don't matter just get it done you know like that and I was like you know what at the end of the day I'm here and I know how to go I know how to go get it done like you know and so that was so Minuski walked out of the room as Minuski walked out of the room and Singletary stood outside Hannibal Navy's Brandon Moore all them started laughing and going crazy They was like, boy, you so crazy, man. I was like, I'm looking at them like, what you mean? I was like, for real? He was like, man, what made you say all that? I'm like, he asked, how are we doing? How are we feeling? He was like, he was like, he was like, he was like, he was like, he was talking about like how practice went. I was like, why did he say how practice? Why didn't he mention practice? You know? I was going through my head. And so I'm going to shorten down the story. they leave um co-sing walks back in he kicks me he co-sing co-sing walks back in he tells me pat get out i'm like holy fuck man like my first day of training camp now i'm outside in the hall and i'm like well maybe i go to the bathroom you know the old i had the old room was set up i was like maybe i just go to the bathroom because i want people to see me just standing out here in the hallway with that they don't think i'm a rookie they don't think i'm that that kind of rookie where I'm like, man, this guy already skipping meetings and all this stuff. So I'm sitting out there in the hallway. I was like, no, I better stay here in case he called me. And they feel the offensive lineman walk through, and I see him looking at me kind of like, what you doing out here? But I'm thinking they're thinking in their head like, man, he's just being one of those guys. He's going to be gone. He's already getting cussed out at practice. And they don't mind you now. They don't know that I got kicked out of the room. Eric Cochene let the other linebackers out. They come out, they're all laughing at me. Coach didn't call me back in there I'll never forget man He called me back in there I'm sitting down in my chair He's walking around Yeah he know how you walk around Yeah he was I see him thinking and what not I'm thinking to myself Like man what's going through his mind And all of a sudden he says Pat I cannot believe you had the audacity Cause he already had He had his voice That carries like real deep And I swear it sounded It sounded just like that Like Pat I cannot believe you had the audacity to ask some kind of questions, son. You talk about being great. Greatness is earned. Nobody's going to give you greatness. Now, I don't know where you was going, and the whole time I had it, I'm thinking to myself, man, I don't know what it is about the bass in your voice right now, but it sounds like you either want to fight or that you might be mad. I grew up with a dad that he only had to say something once, and so you can tell the tone of people's voices when they speak, what they're meaning, but the way he was talking like that, And I was like man He really sounds mad And he said But when he said greatness is earned And you gotta He said greatness is earned You gotta put it into work every day Nobody's gonna give it to you Man I'll never forget I went home To my dorm Got on my knees I said God I don't know what it's gonna take I said but Whatever I need I said just Bless me to have it And I'm gonna give it everything I have And when it's all said and done I just want to be one of the best linebackers ever that played this game. And I promise you, God, I woke up the next morning and something was different. I remember I went out there underneath them tarps. And mind you, now, they do boys be laughing at us because our individual drills be so hard. Like everybody else is going through their individual and our individual drills be. When you finish, man, your legs shaking. Like you probably have to go to one-on-one and cover God's legs like this right here. All because Coach King, like we're going to walk. We're going to walk. and so when i tell you like my stance and everything was was really built from every day we worked just like that to the point of where it was like a joke everybody up they finna get killed today right yeah and um so i went out there and everything was just different man i was underneath the shoot he was coming underneath there to try to knock my like not my feet you know loose and all that kind of stuff i was punching his i was trying to break his wrist i ain't gonna lie to i was like he's gonna he's gonna know today like i'm i'm here and i'm not going nowhere and so yeah I don't know how I went on that tangent. I forget too, but I love listening. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, but it was just after that day, after that night, yeah, I didn't look back. And here we are. Well, it's crazy. I think I've been retired now. Whether it be 11 years. Did you play how long? Seven? Eight years? Well, it was like 7.6. 7.6? What? 7.6. How do you get the .6? I play six and a half games, seven games, and they give you, I think you get credited. Yeah. Something like that. And so that's why. I'm like that. Like, if you ask me how tall I am, I won't say I'm 6'2". I say I'm 6'1". And 72 inches. Like, well, I just say I'm 6'1". Like, I'm not one of the ones that just inflates. So, yeah. Me neither. It says I had eight, but. So. So when you retired, it had to do with your feet? Yeah, that was it. Because when you retired, again, as a backer, it's kind of like a superhero is gone. Yeah, that was a straw that broke the camel's back. I mean, I had so many injuries, like, through, like, from surgeries. And you all know, like, it's not just when you have the surgery. It's now you got to get back to where you were. You got to get back to just being healthy. And then you got to work to get better because my mindset was always, like, I got to be better today than I was yesterday. So I could feel it like after every surgery You could feel like Man like you would tell yourself I'm going to come back I'm going to be better than I was but you I was beginning to realize how much energy How much force it takes To like really like be that And do that because like I said you couldn't stay the same Because you have youngsters Breathing on your neck You know you got other people Like Chris Borland He was What he played two years? Something like that He had like 140 tackles as rookie. It was crazy. You were hurt or Bowman was hurt. I just remember watching film, like whenever y'all played, I want to say it was maybe the Giants because he picked off Eli a couple times. But I remember because he was a great backer in my draft class. So seeing him, I'm like, oh, man, he's going into a room with Patrick Willis and Navarro Bowman. And then, yeah, when Bowman was hurt and he's filling in the play, it's like, yo, he's out there. Oh, no. So Bowman, so he actually filled in for me after I got injured. But Bowman was hurt. Bowman got hurt in that 2013. So he wasn't playing that season. But I thought that's what God came in. He came in for me. But that was it. But I was I was already at that point though to where I knew that I have much longer to play because my feet were was if I give context it was equivalent to a like NASCAR so you know you have a NASCAR they go what 30 laps or whatnot before they can change their tires well my feet my toes felt like I was just barely on treads, and when you grew up you know, not having much, you know what treads can look like sometimes on your tires or whatnot, when it gets real thin, you're like my daddy up, but I get a new tire before this tire blew out or whatnot, or you see the tires start poking through a little bit And that's how I would equate it with, like, that's how my feet were. Like, my feet, my body was my vehicle, and my feet were, like, my tires. And I was like, man, I would say it often, and I would say it, I don't know how much longer I have to play this game. I would say it to my family. I would say it to my teammates. And I would say it for years. Like, I was probably saying after my third year, I was probably starting to, like, be more vocal about it because that's how bad they was hurting. And it was to the point to where I had to put numbing cream on my toes, on my big toes just to go out and have walkthroughs. I used to dread walkthroughs. I was like, man, I do not want to get on these feet until it's time to go prepared. But I was also the type of athlete that I had to do the reps to get better. Some people can just see it and just go do it, but I had to rep through it and whatnot. And so, yeah, it was a feat that said, all right, it's time. What was the diagnosis from the doctors? So I tore the tendon. So it was like equivalent to ACL in the big toe. Okay. And it was on the outside, and they had to go in and, like, they had to tighten his joint down and pull this tendon, like, back across. But I already have flat feet as it is. And so my toes were already, like, pushing to the side and all that stuff. And for so long, I had asked, like, for so long, I had mentioned about, like, man, why can't I just get surgery on these things and just, you know, get them right. And I was like, nah, it wouldn't be good because if you had surgery on it, it might not be the same and all that. And I was like, well, shit. I don't know how many. If y'all were talking about keeping me around for a long time, I'm not going to have that. So every place you guys seen, it was me understanding that, like, man, I don't know how long I had to do this. I would love to get 10 if I can, but I don't know if my toes are going to be able to last that long. However, when they do, however, when it ends and they look back on every play, and that's what I would say today is, man, just go turn on the film and just watch it. Whether it's practice or games, it wasn't a day that you didn't see me giving everything I had because, again, I knew that it was going to come at some point sooner than later. And if it did, they would be able to measure me based on, you know, what I had done. And so that's why, like, in the eight years, I was, I didn't go into it like, yeah, I got a few years I can, you know, pass by the time because I'm going to play this long. I was like, shit, it's no guarantees. And what these toes are, and I didn't say this part. The doctor actually told me after I pulled me, after I had surgery on this toe, he told my friend who was with me, he said, make sure you let him know that, no, I'm sorry. He had told me, he said, after I had surgery, I was kind of like coming back to a little bit. Well, I was already back to, but they was pushing me out. And he said, first, I just want to let you know, like, I don't know how you lasted as long as you did with your toe like that, because it was starting to turn white on the inside or whatnot. Like he said, well, it was so inflamed. It was like it had all the joint in there as if it was like not really a joint in there. And I'm like, listen, Doc, I was trying to tell people how bad my fucking feet were hurting and whatnot. And they just looked at me like, what you mean it's just your feet? And I'm like, no, man, y'all understand. Something wrong with these things and whatnot. And so then he told me, he said, and also your right one is just as bad. And so at some point, whether you do it while you're playing or when you finish, you're going to have to have surgery on that one as well. And that's when I was like, I said, nah, nah. I said the game has been good to me. I've been fortunate enough to be able to do some things. I've been able to do the things that I said I was going to do. And I remember when I was 22, 23, I see guys come back and they would talk to us. And the hands would be like this. And they walk and they look fragile. And I'm thinking to myself at 22, 23, I'm like, man, is that what we have to look forward to? So now fast forward, I go through my years, surgeries, a lot of had like, I had five surgeries on this one hand, one over here. And now here I am going into year eight. And I'm thinking I'm like, I can see those same guys when I was 21, 22, and they come back in their hands like this. And I was like, man, I don't want to come back in 10 years or 20 years. And that's me. I was like, so how do I do, how do I go out, or how do I do enough to where I don't take, I don't, I don't use all my life force to where I can't, like, I don't have nothing to come back from. Right. And so, yeah, so all of that together was, yeah, it's time to make, time to go figure out something else. How quickly was that decision? Oh, it didn't happen, it didn't happen overnight. It was like I've been thinking for a while going into that last year. I'll tell you guys that going into that last year, I knew it's probably my last year because I was getting to the point where I didn't have it in my feet to like compete. I didn't have it even to work on the things I knew I needed to work on to be better. But I couldn't do the things I needed to do to be better because I didn't I didn't have my toes to be able to stick, you know, do certain moves. I had to just do the same on, like, you know, catch you, like, you know, get you, make you think I'm going to use my speed to go ahead and just get an edge on you. And then I'm just going to track you. Yeah, I'd imagine it felt like it's like pain and fear and having the thought process of, like, the joy you have playing football turned into the joy was gone and I have to do this versus I get to do this. That's exactly what it started to feel like. If I usually hit it wrong in the head, man, Navarro, somehow they ended up giving us a nickname of pain and suffering. I was pain and Navarro was suffering but literally that's how I played I felt like it was joy but man it was so much pain but I felt like I had to suffer through it just long enough to be able to do what was needed to I guess man be where I am today I remember they used to tape your big toe down like that right and then tape it like curl it and tape it? They would get a white thing, put it on top, and pull it down. Yeah, to try to keep it so it could stay firm because it's not right, man. It gets loose, and it's like you didn't have no big toes. It'd be like you had your thumbs, and you just only have these. But even these right here wasn't working good because they got so used to being this way. Yeah, man, my feet were. And without my feet, I feel like I couldn't do much. You should have installed a tape job. It was like 30-minute tape job. Like every day. Every day. Every day. You guys should see my cleats. You should have seen his cleats. You should have seen his cleats. I wore a new pair of cleats almost every other day or every week. Every game I had a new pair, I had to wear a new pair of cleats. Because when they got loose, I feel like my – It's going to put pressure on my – Yeah, they feel snugged in there, yeah. If you look in the bottom of my cleats, you were literally looking there and be like, man, who's living in here? I literally have like like tote things here I got the little spat pads you would put here I was trying to get my feet like some kind of balance to so I could grab it I feel like my feet were I feel like my feet were on ice inside of my shoes that is so weird kind of sounds like gout I'm a survivor too man That is brutal But we all went through We all went through something or faced something I remember Cowboy He would say Justin Smith he would say man if we only played this game When we felt good we would never play And so And that was real because there was times where I did I had joy for competition I had joy for like you know Sports But god dang man the way my body would feel I literally I used to say I said man one day I'm not going to have to do this and I'm going to be able to relax and be able to do what I want to do when I want to do it. And for the most part, I get to do that, but like I said, life, you realize there's more to life and there's things you have to get set up right in life. But all in all, though, like, yeah, I just try to give everything I have so I can be where I am today. So the person you see today is the person that I've been working to get to. I wanted to be able to be at a place where people were like, man, look at you. You can still move. You look well. You look fine. I'm like, thank you. But I had to make that decision back then, and it's taken me 10 years to really get myself to this person that you see. Had I not and I had kept on going, then I really don't know if I – I don't know how it would have been. I just know that it didn't add up to like it had been a positive. How was it for you when you made the decision to retire in those first couple years? You're sitting there, you're still in your 20s, and you're watching the boys play. And you see it. I know there's a moment you're feeling good on the couch. You're like, bro, I could go do this again. No. It was a dumb question. It was more when I was looking at it, like, when I retired, man, I feel like you always heard, like, y'all ain't nothing but football players, and that's all y'all know, and we're just the same. and you hear people hear all this rhetoric and something they say and so in my head I was like man I gotta go and get into something that's just as good or it looks as if it's better than football and at that point in time ever since I was a kid I've always been into technology and the fact that I was drafted to the Bay Area and now I'm out here in the Bay Area I was like man it's gotta be fake working on my side or something what would be the chance if I would be in a place of being a place of the same things I was have always been intrigued with or not so man I jumped from one frying pan to the next and if I give any recommendation that I would always say well this relationship or whatever type of relationship it is give yourself a little bit of time to kind of dissect and and yeah see see some things and I didn't do that and I just jumped straight into this tech business um right after I retired and I was like man it gave me that sense of purpose because of what I realized like not having football I was like shit man I gotta do something not doing nothing is not an option and then like I said just I was like all right let me go get in the tech I want to be an entrepreneur I want to think I can build a you know I can be a part of something we just work really hard and you know you'll build it up and you're gonna make millions you know and all that nonsense and excuse me I won't say nonsense but you come to learn there's a lot more a lot more too but I said I'll just say man I got in this ended up after a year I remember it was after a year it was September 24th I get this call and my business partner man shit was just crazy and it was not sounding good and he knew more of what was going on than I did but the fact that he was going crazy acting like he was going crazy and everything I was like what the crap is going on man You can't go crazy. I got my money invested in this one night. Lo and behold, it was almost like come to find out, it was like Tyson catching me in a dark alley. Tyson, Andy Vanderhoofield and Larry Holmes, all of them catching me in an alley and just going ham on me. Catching me when I'm Tennessee. Alley's on Broadway over there. And going ham or whatnot because, man, when I tell you Like, it really humbled me to the 10th degree to say, like, I was like, man, I feel like I'm in a world right now where what the fuck have I just done? And I'm saying this to say I can see how when they say guys after five years have been in the league, how they can end up being broke. because you're trying to find something. In 9 times 10, we probably don't know the right people at that point in time to really put us in a, you know, to help us be in a better situation because now I am, but then I wasn't. So I'd say in another three years, man, I would probably say those are probably tougher than football and life itself, like before, like anything or whatnot. So it's been a journey. It's been a journey. I'll say, man, every person goes through that dark night of the soul in some form or fashion or whatnot. And depending on how much you've been through in your life, that's how much you're going to have to, like, go in and, like, get to working on it and, you know, get better at it or whatnot. And so this is where I am today. When you're talking about those three years, like, if you were – whenever you go, I assume you probably speak to players or speak to guys about stuff, whether it's post-life, post-career. what's like a in that story what's like a regret that you speak to you're like hey learn from this mistake that i made or do this extra due diligence whatever it is be um i would say be vulnerable early don't wait until something happens don't wait for something major to happen to you like even if you see like small things that you know you want to work on or get better at like go do it like now don't wait until it happens because i feel like that's the thing with um With me retiring, I felt like if you wait too long, it may not be good. I would just say whatever you need to work on, get started on it now. Use while you have that shield on your back, while you're wearing that helmet. Use that to leverage you. But the only thing is, it's like you're talking to youngsters. It's like you're talking to, like, little kids that it's going to go in one ear and out the other because you don't know what you don't know yet. And when you're in that game, it's like you think you're just going to keep on, like, doing your thing. And so somebody comes back and they say something to you. And it's almost like I can see when you say something to the guys. Some guys, you can see, like, they kind of listen for the same. But you see some guys, like, you just tell, as much as my dad used to say, all right, boy, don't let it go in one ear and out the other. And you can see it go in one ear and out the other. And then you just realize everybody's going to have to have their, go through their own journey. And you just be there for them when they need you. Or you just speak life. And then just like anything, it's going to be a moment to where they're going to have a moment. They're processing them. But you know what? Such and such was actually like telling me about this or blah, blah. And then that's when they come back. Because other than that, I don't speak or I don't say anything that I can't stand behind or that you won't be able to come back to me later on and be like, hey, when you're talking about this, what do you mean? and I'm able to share. But, yeah, and that's also, it took me a while to come back around the team because I felt like I didn't have any sustenance. I felt like, yeah, I can come back and talk about X and O's and how to tackle somebody. I'm like, but y'all got coaches for that. Like, what do I really possess that's different? And it took me to go out into the world, I call it, into this ocean of a world or whatnot and have some bumps and bruises to be able to come back now when I'm in there. And I'm like, listen, I don't know everything there is to know, but I know I had to get my shit straight or whatnot. And there's something I can help assist or just, you know, give you some kind of light in some form or fashion. Like, you have to walk the walk, but I'll share with you, like, what I know. And going through what I went through, like, yeah, man, it's made me a lot stronger. Like, it's way beyond, like, just, you know, tackling somebody at this point. And so, yeah. Are you able to share what did happen? With the three years, the three dark years? That was probably the hardest moment. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It was just, man, it was one of the things you go to your account, and you realize, like, man, a lot of money is not there. And you're like, what the hell is going on? Like, why is the money not there where it was supposed to be, doing the things that but then you realize the onus that you have to take and so i went through a little bit of financial like it wasn't it wasn't in a sense of like man just i lost everything but it was at a point when you've had a lot and you get hit pretty strong you like it kind of you have to make you readjust meaning like you're comfortable but then something happened in life and you're like oh wait a minute it caused you to it it would actually probably save me because had i not had had to go back and figure out what's going on what's going on I would have just been thinking like man everything is kumbaya like you know you just setting on money but you just only setting on it I didn't know anything but because I had to go through because I lost some and I had to really like figure it out and I spent about two years thinking like I can figure this out myself like I know I can because you was embarrassed to like talk to anybody or share anything to anybody and then I remember I was talking to one of my teammates and him and I was having a conversation and the hardest thing sometimes to do is be honest with yourself and he was asking me some questions and I couldn't answer the questions I was like well I'm getting some residuals he's like yeah but what's your number what's your passive like things I should have known when I was playing but I was making good money and I knew that like as long as I don't as long as I just mess with my endorsing money or whatnot like that's just simple as like you only spend what you have or whatnot and then you just put your football money away But he was asking me questions that I couldn't answer. And so I remember reaching back out to him. I was like, hey, what do you mean when you're talking about passive income? When you're talking about dividends, like, you know, what is all that stuff you're talking about? And he was like, he said, I'm going to connect you with my guy. He's going to send you some questions to send to your guy. And that was the moment. And that was like three years ago. and that was a moment that really like things started to like I was like okay I gotta the guy after I got the information back the other gentleman broke it down to me and when he broke it down to me it was as real as this you can be the nicest person in the world but if you don't know what you don't know you'll be broke too and so now I say that as a statement because when he broke it down to me I was like wait a minute see me tell me even though I got this next egg or not you don't have this nest egg and X, Y, and Z this could still happen. He was like, yeah, because this is how finances work. And when he broke it down to me, I said holy shit, I see how guys run out of money. Yeah. So he had your money in high stake high stocks. High risk accounts. Yeah, like with stocks that you can take big risk on pretty much is that what you're saying? You're talking about with the tech guy that was in? No, with your money. Like when the one dude started to like educate you you're getting some questions answered he's like you send it to your guy you're thinking okay is he going to be able to give him information back to make sense and that's when you started to kind of put the puzzle together that you could have been in a bad spot with the the gentleman you were working with uh no so um this is from the tech company yeah yeah well it was told somehow if i kind of went ramble through um so when i talked everything happened with the tech guy at first like that's so my money was in this was with the tech guy and him and i was doing business or whatnot but come to find out he was living off the money like it was like it was his that you invested yeah that i invested and so what you're investing getting some sort of yeah and i see him living yeah and i'll see him living his you know he'll see him living the life and but it was all the things now had i understood how to do had i done my due diligence like ask a question get the background check i would have figured out right away and and i still had one person to two people that was like man you sure you like he kind of strange and dug up but i was so in my ego i was like so like no i can do this like just work really hard like i'm smart enough and you realize like man you need people that are smarter than you especially like in this realm and so after all that happened i spent those three years just trying to like uh so i went through arbitration i got everything back and when i got everything back and i think it was around 2017 because the things that were like like assets hit different things and whatnot and that's when I realized so I retired 2015, 2017 is when I realized like shit man this freedom stuff you got responsibilities like you have to like uphold you gotta like take care of whatnot and so that's when I was like just I just kept it bare minimum like I come from much of nothing so I was like alright I know I got you know I got a little bit but this ain't enough to I keep having to pull from this a little bit and I was making some money here and there but I just noticed something just wasn't right I was like how do people get this living thing that they I don't know I didn't know what I was even trying to ask myself until I was having a conversation with Dante and they say and this is saying that when the Buddha I mean when the teacher is ready the student when the student is ready the teacher will appear and I was at that place like I said I was just having a conversation with the teammate and him and I was working out and he just started asking me some questions because he had already, he had had to go through something similar and whatnot. And so that's how he was able to ask me. And that's when I was like, I realized like, man, I need some, I need to get this right. And so when, when Don, when his guys sent me the list to send to my financial guy that I have at the time because I fired my very first one. Right after I retired, I got rid of everybody. That's probably another reason to do that. God, I just felt like everything was off. Nothing was what it was supposed to be. Not that it was bad. It just I wasn't in tune to it like I should have. So I thought when I was hearing anything, it was just like, dang, this is off. And so I was like, if you don't know what to do, I just get rid of everybody. You know? Just nuke the whole thing. Yeah, just nuke the whole thing. But I say to say, what I learned was the guy that I was that I had, so I still have him I still have two actually and what I learned was that this person was not was not doing anything bad it was just these firms and stuff you realize that they are they are the middle man and they will put you in put you in funds but they'll get their money right off top and then there's other ones who they only make money if I do and what not and so what I realized was this person was not doing anything bad but he would just put me in these very expensive funds yeah I'm getting returns but he's getting each time he put me in one he's getting a killer return right off top like $40,000 $60,000 of his money so that's why he wanted to put me in them and he don't watch anything he just kind of just They'll be all right. Let them sit. They'll be all right. Yeah, yeah. It's just like letting them sit when I'm out there. I'm mature. I forget what the word. It was. I should know this. They grow something with the words. Yeah, and he, yeah. So I just realized. They grow something with the words. Yeah, so that's all it was, man. So those three years of that was just me, like, really getting, taking on the full responsibility of the things that I had always put on, allow others to do for me or whatnot. And so that was my first real, like, called my adult. I had to freaking turn into an adult, man. Like, I was like, holy shit. Like, this whole time, I thought I was an adult because, you know, you could go wherever. You can go spend some money. You can go buy whatever. But now being a truly full, responsible adult is everything that you say is supposed to be yours. Like, you are taking care of it. Like, you are responsible for it. And so, yeah, so after I did that, I went through that three years or whatnot. That's when I ended up Meeting This new guy or whatnot Who really Man, it feels good to be able to Sleep And sleep And then every month You see that residual Dividend come in And see them different Avenues of streaming Revenue streams And you're like This is what it's supposed to be like And then in my mind, like, just don't fuck it up. Yeah, yeah. Just don't – like, just don't – being a knucklehead or getting too egregious with stuff, just keep it simple, just get base hits. Like, man, I played baseball. I love baseball growing up. So I understood the dynamics. I understood the scheme of it and whatnot as far as just, yeah, man, like, if you can get a home run, that's awesome. But it's very hard to get grand slams right here unless you just know the top ones. So, yeah, I'm rambling, but yeah. Earlier when you said, when you're ready to be the student, the teacher will appear. I was like, my God, that is a bar. Just walked into a faithful workout and came out and been like, it's time. It's time to figure out my becoming an adult. I appreciate you sharing that, too. I appreciate you sharing that. I think a lot more athletes go through that than they want to admit to. Just be trusting somebody or just being like, okay, I'm doing this in the field. They'll handle everything else off the field. and just be like, hey, I know what my contract says I make, so I got to be good. And then as soon as you pull the veil back a little bit, you have to have the right people in place. And then be willing to ask those questions as well. Like, hey, I need to see all these things. And if there's ever a lack of transparency, that should be the red flag right there to those guys that are affected. Yeah. And I would recommend, man, to guys, too, that if you are a business, when I was in school, I can't remember if I took any business class. I took political science. I majored in criminal justice, modern and English, so I took all those. But I didn't one time take a business class or whatnot. And now I sit on a family office board in Palm Springs, Velvet Hammer, where we buy small to medium-sized businesses. And just sitting in there and listening to all the dialogue and whatnot, I'm like, man, if I was an athlete, I would most definitely, like, I'd probably even take business, but I would make sure I get some business classes just so I can get the. You're absolutely right. I was back at college, and it was like, I was a general studies major. Hey, general studies. So I was like, yeah, I took a hula class. I was the one white guy in African-American studies. and the black guy would be like white people suck I'd be like oh shit hopefully I can get a C and now I look back and I'm 34 and I have two kids and I'm like dude if I wish I understood like what was in front of me enough to be like I would have taken my education so much more serious so now I'm 34 and I'm trying to like do other things extracurriculately outside like just educate myself on more things but at that time is you can always get better but I had such a opportunity being in school to do all that. Now I'm just doing a podcast. Nah, but man. Gout. I used to have that gout. You got gout before? Nah, I used to have one of our teammates. That's why I always tell the younger guys and guys that even retired that I talked to audit. Audit everyone. They can't get mad. If they get mad, they doing something dirty. Okay? If they got an issue with you, auditing and giving them an audit they are doing something dirty i tell people audit i think i even audit i was doing i was talking to my auditor on a show auditor to the podcast my auditor yeah yeah yeah yeah everybody everyone everyone i mean why not right because like he said i didn't go i'm i'm my financial literacy is very low i i don't understand stocks i don't understand the dividends and revenue that comes in off a percentage of stocks that I have. My Roth IRA, I don't understand that. So when it sends me messages, I'm like, oh, it's up. But I don't know what that means. I know that that's finance assholes doing different things. They call them base points. They're like, oh, it's 20 base points. You mean 2%? Just say a number, man, so I can know what it is. Base points. What are we talking about? They want to talk that language to make us think like we need them. Yeah. We do. We do. Yeah, we do. I'm not going to sit here. I'm not out there looking at the market today going. No, I'm not either. No, I'm not either. Yeah. But I will audit your ass. If you work with Delaney, Delaney, once a year, he'll text me and be like, send me all our text messages. I want to make sure you and I are good. Y'all may be coming soon. I'm getting to that market. I do appreciate you telling that story. Thank you. There's a lot of guys out there that might be going through it right now, might not know that they're about to go through it or have been through it, and it takes a lot of courage to talk about it publicly. Yeah. You know, if I can leave anybody with anything, if I can leave the sports guys with anything, athletes, I don't know what I'm going with that, man. I know what it was Make sure Just like any of us Know at this point When you got a team full of just guys When you got a team full of pro bowlers When you got a team full of all pros Like the difference in How the team is And the reason why this made sense And I love it because my financial guy The last one I have now He him and I was talking and he was like Pat, he's like you gotta get pro bowlers around you, he said you gotta work with pro bowlers he said you a pro bowler, you have to work with pro bowlers, he said because if not, you're just working with just guys he's like yeah they might go hard, he said but they're not gonna understand like what how you need to be or the elevation, it was the way he was putting it and he's like if you can get an all pro you know those are special and that's no different than us being on any team when we've been on teams where you don't have nobody on the team to make the Pro Bowl, usually your team is not very good. You get Pro Bowlers or whatnot, now you get into the playoffs or whatnot, and then you get some All-Pros, you're like, you're getting close to maybe making an appearance at the Super Bowl and different things, and so that's what I would recommend any athletes that, man, if you're an All-American in college, make sure you get your All-American finance-like person, and also make sure your taxes, right? Them taxes, too. People don't want to talk about them or an NIL deal practice but no man it's been a journey but each day I would say regardless of how crazy life is though if you're able to wake up and open your eyes and you breathe in man you can do something about your situation it's a mentality, it's a mindset and so that's why part of you want to feel sorry, that's why I couldn't necessarily feel sorry. That's why it took me so long to be vulnerable because I was hard on myself. I was like, but sometimes I but now I realize sometimes being vulnerable is being strong in certain aspects or whatnot. Yeah. Dude, we appreciate you coming on. Okay, sorry. He brought up one thing in that last statement about the Super Bowl. He went to the Super Bowl. Lights cut off. Both of you were there. I'd love to hear your perspectives. Was that NFL Illuminati? Was that what was going on there? I'll let him give his side on it first. Honestly, it was crazy because that was twice in the same year that we had lights go out in some form or fashion. I mean, earlier that season, we was playing Pittsburgh. Monday night. Yeah, Monday night, and the lights went out in candlestick. And I was like, what? like y'all be on everything the lights go out and I try not to be one of those weirdos but I watched too many movies growing up you know and then when you're in the country you got nothing to do but be outside your mind you know you can go to many places or whatnot and then all of a sudden we go to the Super Bowl and we're in all places we're in New Orleans you know all the weird stuff to be down in New Orleans like voodoo a lot of strange stuff and so I say it to say whatever happened that day We needed it Because they was whooping their ass At first They were whooping their ass all the way until them lights went out And I credit that to say They always say if you've been there before Like the team that's been there before They're usually going to be the team They have a little bit more calmness You can tell they've been there before I couldn't feel my feet I couldn't feel my body I feel like I was having an out of body experience all week And when that game When the ball snapped I still felt like I was like holy crap man I was like is it that many eyes watching I just felt like I was I felt like I wasn't even there but I still had to say they was whooping our tails and then when them lights went off we were able to go in there and get a little revival I don't know how it came from but we came back out and we played our kind of ball and I'm like man this is actually what we were supposed to be doing the whole time but so yeah I don't know what that was I thought it was crazy though. Yeah, like, my theory on it, obviously, like you said, they were blowing us out. But, Vegas, the odds, the odds, people need to go back and look at the odds. Look at the odds. Hey, what did the odds say? I'm just saying, like, before the lights even went out, I saw dudes with suits. You didn't see the dudes with the suits coming out on the field before the lights went out. All the NFL suits because offense was out. We were up. Offense was out there when the lights went out. We was on offense and the lights go out. I'm sitting on the sideline because Vernon is in. I think it was Vernon and Bruce Miller, they were in. I'm on the sideline waiting and I started seeing suits walk up. I kind of thought that shit was wearing in it. Boom. Remember how it kind of like boom. It went like that. And then it didn't go out. It went, like, slow. Remember, it was, like, light still going, and it wasn't all. It went dark, and then the lights came back on, like, a little bit. And then we went in the locker room. Yeah, it was, like, real dim. Yeah, real dim. It was, like, they dimmed the lights. Bro, I don't know. It was weird. See, when they get to have a conversation, I start now, my mom, I'm like, shit, man, what was the eyes? I still don't know how to. I be thinking it's amazing when I be seeing you guys. I'll be watching y'all show too but when I be saying you guys do the betting and different things of that nature I'm like shit man how do you know the point spread how do you know all that that's too confusing that's why I'm glad I never that's why I'm glad I did not get into the whole betting thing because I don't understand how it works I'm glad I don't but now I'm kind of curious I'll shoot you apart what was going on so I think the odds I think it was like it was probably the spread was the Ravens was plus three and a half I think. That means the 49ers were favored to win by more than three or at three and a half points. No, no. I'm sorry. The 49ers was plus three and a half. Okay. So that means you were dogs. Yeah, and they were blowing us out. It was like, what, 21-3 at the time. It was like 21-3 and it was the second quarter like eight minutes left before we went into the half. Boom. Lights go out. Literally like, he just Jacoby takes a kickoff return back. He takes that kickoff return back. After we kick a field goal, he takes it back. We like, damn. We go on offense, the lights go out. I promise you, people start coming out, lights go out. They let us go in the locker room. We go in the locker room for a second. For a minute. For a minute. We going over plays. all this, right? We come out. The Ravens are hyping up their crowd. They dancing around because, like I said, it's like 21-3. We stretching. We start doing our stretch lines. We doing our individual O-line. You know how we do the O-line run? The others do their set. We do all like if it's a new game again. And then the lights pop back on. We like out of nowhere. Lights come on. They're like, all right. Oh, let's start where we was at. They dropped the ball, I think Frank Gore bust on the first play and the momentum switch and then the defense, y'all start shutting them down and we start scoring points. We go into halftime. We like, this is what we always been. We come back kids. We always come back. We know we got this game. They old. We were in there. It's like, they old. They getting tired. They jumped on us quick because they've been here before. Like he said, we come out there. We get back to the game. We down, what, four? and we lost by four. That's why I was going with it when you said what the point spread was. I was like, whoa. We lost by four. What did the ref do at the end? We ended up losing. They didn't call no PIs. We didn't run the ball. We was on the four-yard line. We ain't going to get too much. Look into it. Look into it. We throw three passes They hug us every pass Don't even let us get off the ball They never throw a flag And I still to this day don't know why We didn't run it, I know Because, again, I'm going to say this to you guys And I've said it before For a while I didn't want to necessarily talk to Hardball after that game And I want to put it on him Because we lost as a team But the fact that we didn't run that ball, rewind the training camp. We was in training camp and Harbaugh got up and he talked about how we had the best offensive line. He was talking about the whole team, but then he went to the offensive line and he said, we have the best offensive line in all of football and arguably, if not the best, one of the best power slash runners the game has ever seen in Frank Gore. Fast forwarded, we're on the freaking five or four yard line, and I think we run the ball the first time with the running back, Mike James. We run it the first time with him and then three times after that, we don't give the ball to the best, with the best offensive line. Lodeo Nata was not coming off the ball anymore. Ray was not even coming down. He was barely even able to come downhill. He had one tackle the whole game. Yeah, he barely able to come downhill and we don't run the ball and so I didn't know if that was I didn't know what that was I said man if this is a hardball moment where he just wanted his guys to score or something I don't know I didn't know how to take it I still to this day you can't do nothing about the pass but it's just you know how I've seen it is he wanted Kaepernick to get MVP of the game and that was the mindset I think that he had when he thought about throwing the ball three times because if you do go back and you look at our run game, they couldn't stop Frank. They couldn't stop Frank. I don't know if you remember this, but after the game, Jim Harbaugh comes in and goes, that's on me. That's on me. I missed that. That's on me. Because he realized we probably should have ran that ball at that moment. All the Harbaugh you've seen since then, everything's run game. I was like, oh, you want that as well? Yeah, we have it. The entree tonight is running. And you know, it's just because if anything, Frank probably would have scored that touchdown. Frank was going to be the MVP of the game. And he rightfully should, man. It reminds me of the 85 Bears and they didn't get the ball to Walter Payton. Yeah. I was like, man. It felt like that kind of moment. And then a year later or two years later, we see what happened in Seattle. And I was like, I said, man, which makes you wonder? I'm like, man, what the hell going on, man? Right. Man, I wish we'd keep you longer. I know you probably got to boogie out of here. Oh, buddy, Bud Light question. Oh, Bud Light question. P. Will, you know how everybody would do anything for an ice cold Bud Light? What is something that Patrick Willis would do anything for? Wait, ask me again. So Bud Light. Yeah, but Bud Light. People would do anything for a Bud Light. They would. What is something that you would do anything for? Can't say family. Not a Bud Light, but what is your Bud Light in this scenario? What would you do anything for? It could be ambition. A boat. Yeah, a boat. A John boat. An accolade. Toes back. Yeah. Yeah. Having Frank Gore run the ball. You know what? Maybe not speak up in that team meeting You know what? I would say this Personally it would have been nice to You know have a defensive player of the year Just to be able to say Like I was a defensive player of the year But nothing still sounds better Other than The Hall of Fame Induction Nothing sounds better than hearing like Super Bowl champion and Hall of Famer, like such and such. And so I would probably say, man, to be able to get that Super Bowl, that one. That's the only one I went to. I can't sit in and say, oh, it would have been nice to go to that one. But I would probably say the one we played in to get that Super Bowl would have been, yeah, that would be my bud life. Is there a year that you felt like you got snubbed as Defensive Player of the Year? No, I won't say that. I could have, looking back on it now and understanding, like, how much goes into it. But I feel like maybe my – was it either my third year or maybe fifth year? And somewhere, like, I was – they had talked about it. Like, it was, like, being discussed. But then when it came to the honors or whatnot, I don't know if I was even considered up there. The finalist? Yeah, the finalist. Or had I been – well, I wouldn't even – but I know they was having conversations about it or whatnot. but I just feel like that would have been something good to do. I feel like that would have been something good to have. It's all personal stuff though, man. I love it. Bro, we appreciate you, man. 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