Deebo & Joe - Part 1: Maxx Crosby TRADED to Ravens, Steelers SEARCHING for QB Answers

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It's good to be right. Welcome back to this episode of Debo and Joe. I'm your host James Debo Harrison and I'm here with my co-host Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like, subscribe, and download where you get your podcast. How you doing today, Joe? I am doing great, brother Debo. Free agency, live in effect. A lot of people, a lot of action. Things are happening as we speak right now, this very moment. So I'm loving this part of the offseason where you see what your team is talking about, what they're trying to do, who's trying to make moves. Are they good moves or bad moves? So I'm excited. Oh, yeah, definitely, definitely do. So what we're going to do is We missed the super chats yesterday. So we're going to do them at the top. We're going to do yesterday's at the end. We're going to do those at the top. Then we'll get to whatever else is in the lineup. But right now, we're going to get into the Steelers, man. Why is they still talking about we must get a quarterback? It's not happening in this draft, Joe. What do you think? the possibilities of anything happening. I got a whole set of what I think is going on. This is what I'm saying when people start the panicking. They're like, oh, no, just because people are making moves with Max Crosby, we got to go and make a pick. The quarterback of the Steelers are – I'm like, look, calm down. Calm down. Everybody relax. Since people are making moves, you don't want to make a bad move. If you do think at the end of the day, I feel a lot of the Steelers, that they think Malik Willis is the guy. They don't believe in Will Howard. I can respect that. I can respect that thought. Do you know what I'm saying? But at the same time, there's no rush. We don't have to rush into these things. We still got, like we said, I believe in still thinking that we can give Will Howard a chance. Malik Willis is probably a more valuable option. He's showing what he can do in the league. He has valuable reps. He's won games with Green Bay. So I can see where they're coming from. But is that who Mike McCarthy likes? Does Mike McCarthy like Will? Does he not want to put that money there and be able to go do some other moves? How does he plan it? So you don't want us to panic when you start seeing things happen around the league. Oh, my gosh, what are we doing? Are we just standing? No, no, no, no. Sometimes it's not the smartest move for them to make the quickest one. You know what I'm saying? So I'm not in a panic state. I still like Will. I understand Malik. If people don't like him, I'm not against it at all. He hasn't proven anything. He was a drafted pick. They put Mason in front of him. Like last year when, why didn't they put him in? I can hear what everybody's saying. But for me, I'm rocking with Mike McCarthy. I'm rocking with Omar Khan. I'm letting them take their time and not just rush and make rash moves that they don't believe in. You know what I'm saying? So I can see with teams making moves, whatever, it's early in free agency. You want to make a pop. You want your team to be going across the ticker. Like, oh, yeah, we did this. Okay, you could do that, and it could be bad, and the next thing you know, time will tell. So it's still early. Still early in free agency. We still got time. We can still make moves. I just don't. I can see when some people want Malik, and they will start panicking, like, oh, yeah, let's go here and do this. But I'm in the mind frame where don't rush. We still do God will, even though other people don't believe in it. I know we have money that we have other places that we need to do. We just released John News, so we're opening up bread, so we got things that we can do. So I'm still chilling. I would like our team to go across the ticket, too. I want to see the Steelers getting a linebacker. You know what I'm saying? I see we just signed Asante Samuel Jr. on the opposite side. Small. One year, $4 million. I like the way he played. He gets another year in the defense to be able to get comfortable. You know what I'm saying? Coming in midseason, you know, feet still, he still couldn't get comfortable. Now he got a complete offseason. He's on a prove-it deal. You know how those work? Oh, yeah. You know what I'm saying? Getting comfortable now. He knows he's trying to go get that bag. So I'm liking that. Little things like that is smooth under the radar, but we're just trying to get what we need. Don't rush and go do something. and be like, oh, yeah, look who we got. We got this big name. It doesn't matter. There's a lot of names out there that dudes aren't just like, oh, yeah, this dude that have the prove-it deals that might not be the dude that you know, but there's ballers out there that, you know what I'm saying, you could pick that one, like little stuff like that. So that's why I'm at it. Yeah, they need to stop panicking, man, because we are not drafting a quarterback. We are not picking up a quarterback in free agency. Yes, it's definitely something that we need to address depending on how things look like you said willis i it's not gonna happen there's too many people after him the money he go command is gonna be out of control and another reason is he's not signed yet and i think it's a lot of people right now that's sitting back and they like well i ain't trying to give him the bag bag for this small sample of work you know what i'm saying so ain't nobody really jumping the gun to go and be like yo here here it go yeah and we already talked about the draft there's nothing there so that's that's out it's just it's just not even happening there and right now the big thing for me is like you said like what can will howard do he is a national champion we haven't given him a chance to either prove or disprove he can or can't do it and as you said with Mike McCarthy he likes Will Howard dude he said he said himself he was like I really I'm really excited about Will he said he said I'm really excited about Will Howard he said I'm anxious to get to work with him and he said he loves the way he plays the game and when he said that he was talking that he was pointing to how Will played his best ball in the college playoffs so with him saying that about Will he's definitely going to give him a chance yeah and this year it's going to be the end of speculations of can he do it and the good part was last year he was on the bench he was able to sit behind he was hurt too you don't have to that's why he didn't get a chance you don't have to rush nobody into it him being able to get the flow be able to not have to play his rookie season he's still the same dude like with a year under his belt now getting more comfortable so i would love to see him with a chance because he's a big body and he's done it before yeah yeah and that's something else he's fully healthy now he fractured i think he fractured his hand last year and i believe that was what really you know kept him out of the flow of being able to you know fight for a spot and another thing is we're waiting on rogers dude we're waiting on his decision he hasn't gave a hundred percent answer one way or the other dude and when you do that it's like okay we ain't making no moves because we're okay with where we at so that makes that makes me believe that the stillers they're at a point where it's like okay we're content where we're at right now we're going to give will harrod a chance and we believe that the option rolls around and say it's not working out or it's not looking like it's going to work out that rogers will still be there because from his talking a lot of people believe it's it's pittsburgh or nowhere yeah i know what i'm saying yes right and it's not like it's a bunch of other teams out there that's that's looking to you know grab him right now anyway yeah yeah so we we still have that option our next thing is like everybody's saying right down here in chat is like a receiver yes we're looking at the receiver position and when you look at it you know they were talking about uh the possibility of um the best uh guys around um available and it was two guys that i liked that was in that in that uh in that talk and i think it was alec pierce that was one yes and the other one was uh wandel uh robinson and the reason i like i like pierce is i think we can get him for a good price like he has a little issue with like separation you know just at the line getting off you know bump coverage his routes aren't really as sharp as they would like to be but dude he running 4-4-1 yeah you might as well say that's a 4-3 game speed 4-6-3 almost 215 He got 47 catches last year and still had over 1,000 yards, Joe. That's 21 and some change. That's real-life deep threat. 40-inch vertical. 40-plus inch vertical, dude. Ball skills is nice. He's a high-point catcher. He's going up to get the ball. He tracks the ball well. He's coming down with the 50-50 almost 70%, 80% of the time. And, Joe, he can block. The boys like to get physical. See, I like Alec Pierce. I like him. When they were talking about the trade for Michael Pittman Jr., I was like, I like Alec Pierce just a little more, and he's going to be a free agent. So that one, a thousand percent you're saying. I like Wondell Robinson, too, as a possession receiver. You can get open. You know what I'm saying? That's a guarantee. We need that. But I'm also a fan of Romeo Dobbs. Romeo Dobbs is a get-it-done dude. He does all of the dirty work. He blocks, he catches, he doesn't make a lot of noise, but he goes out there and gets it done. So I think he's one that we could be able to get for the low too at prove it deals, still going out there grinding. He's a great receiver that- He's a little older too though though. He's a little older, but I just, he's still getting it done. Route running and it's not going to be as expensive as some of these other dudes. So I like Romeo Dobbs. I like Wanda Robinson for sure. Sly and Alec Pierce 1000%. or any of those three would be a nice add to the roster. Yeah, definitely. Wondell Robinson, that's a yak machine. I think he only like 5'7", 5'8", something like that. But hey, he almost heavy as you. Well, I don't know how much he weigh no more, Joe. He 185. You know what I'm saying? That's, man. Yeah, we saying weight. We saying weight. We saying weight. Like I said, he effective, man. Like you said, the short route, he got that quick in and out. He go hit you on them whips and them options, that quick slant game. He dangerous once he get it in his hands. Yes. Like we had, what's my man? Like we had the receiver that came to us last year from Minnesota. Thielen. Okay. Yeah. Yes. Young Thielen. Get it done. Third down, possession receiver. Yeah. And listen, something else I want these people to get out of their head. What? We ain't trading T.J. Watt. He ain't going nowhere, man. He ain't going nowhere. No. It's not the way they do business. That ain't the way they do business. It not going to happen But you know me Joe I like to you know ask questions and give speculations you know With that being said, again, T.J. Watt ain't going nowhere. That's just media, endless speculation. It ain't happening, man. Just signed a, what, three-year deal, 123 million, 108 guaranteed just last July. Yes. Okay? We got $50 million in cash space, so we ain't got no money issues. I know it's numbers down, all that other stuff, that don't count because you're not looking at the stats that don't have numbers to them that he adds to which allows other people to be able to do what they do. Like I said, Joe. And he's out because he got punctured lung from the in-house. He didn't do nothing wrong, so he's just keeping it cool. You know what I'm saying? Now, let him heal from that. When he's on the field, numbers are everything. He just was out because he had a punctured lung. It's not his bad. Let him get right. Okay, so now, Joe, they came to you and they said, hey, we won't, TJ. We're going to give you two firsts. What you going to do? Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening live at South by Southwest. This is the biggest night in podcasting. We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented, and creative. And the winner is... Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. 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Once you get to that second and that third contract, when they're looking at it, they don't care about the number. Say it was seven and a half sacks last year. They don't care about why he was missing games because he was injured. You know what I'm saying? What does he care about the punctured lung? Seven and a half sacks doesn't look like double digits in what he's done for the last five years in a row. When you're making $35, $40 million a year, it is literally, what have you done for me lately? Like, what have you done for me last season? You know what I'm saying? Like, there's no load time. Like, you're getting paid $40. You should be showing me $40 million worth of work every season, every game, every snap. So that's how names even get put into there. But when you're looking at, like, TJ, his production has 115 sacks so far in his career. Okay, that's okay. The numbers are speaking for themselves. seven and a half last season because he was hurt, but names like TJ Watts, the best players that do it at this level, two first-round picks, all right, okay, he's 31. I mean, okay, you do kind of – it sounds – it's intriguing, but like, yeah, I would – I don't think TJ's going anywhere to steal us. I don't think they do business like that. But like you said, if they talking two first-round picks, you got to ask and you're going to answer the call see what he's talking about. Yeah, speaking of two first-round picks, the damn Ravens went and got Max Crosby from the Raiders, dude. Two first rounds, picking 26, picking 27. Man, the dude done had, what is it, 69 and a half sacks since 2019. that's double what the actual baltimore's top uh sacker did in that same time span he only had 30 i think it was the d tackle he's also a d tackle though so you got to look at that that's that's still that's still impressive you know it comes down to it so when you look at it like over the last what is it one two five years baltimore has blown nfl worst 16 leads in the final minutes of a game five five or more than any other team and last season they blew two of them in the fourth quarter one by 15 with four minutes left and one by 11 in the fourth quarter bro with them getting max crosby brother do you think this makes them real contenders and he'll be able to to put a fire out to the inability for them to finish games in the fourth quarter? I think it's a big-time help. I don't think it's the main thing. I think they still got to do a little bit more on that defense. But adding Max Crosby just shows, end of the day, the Ravens know. They have their franchise quarterback. They have Lamar Jackson. They haven't been able to even make it to the Super Bowl. So these big moves for these type teams, like they don't have time to go try to get that first round pick that might pan out. No, let's go get a Max Crosby that we know he's going to come here. He's going to add to the defense. He brings the energy. He wants to win. This is the type of player that we can bring here. He's going to be a leader of the defense. He's going to add to the safety that we got, our linebacker, to the core. You know what I'm saying? So with me, I'm rocking with the Ravens because they're like their windows closing. We got Lamar Jackson. He's not getting any younger. We need to turn this up. Like we can go get this baller, them first round picks in the future. I don't know. We don't expect to be picking high in the first round anyway. Let's go get a guaranteed certified baller that can go make something happen for our team. So for the Ravens, I understand why they would do it because they're going all in. We got to perform. We know he's going to be here for a couple of years. We got a legitimate DN. We haven't been able, we haven't rushed a passer really well. We need to be able to get after the quarterback. He can close the games for us. So for me, I think that they made a good move. They know they have a couple more moves to make, but this is a move that teams that feel like they need a couple of pieces make when they feel like this is what we got to do to start winning. So, Joe. Yes. What I like about this is this move puts Baltimore at about $10 million in cap space. so there's going to need to be some restructure you go for the top i think it's 10 guys lamar jackson yes hitting the cap for 74.5 yep followed by smith rocon smith 32.7 yep the dn 31 crosby now 30.6. Humphrey, 26.3. The tackle Ron Stanley, 24.1. And then Kyle Hamilton, they don't know where that's at. It's between 10 and 26, depending on how his bonus accounting is. Derrick Henry, 16.3. Travis Jones, 16.3. And Mark Andrews, 14.7. They got 65% of their cap taken by five players. Lamar Jackson is 25% alone. And they seem to be beefing. Okay? And along with that, it's about four or five starters that are real-life free agents. So I don't know how much you've helped yourself here, because you got a lot going on. But they're your problems, and I'm glad y'all got them. I don't think they're too big of problems, though, man. They're going to just have to do some restructuring. The man already said something goofy about Lamar not being there in camp as soon as the OC, as soon as he got there. What are you talking about? You forgot about that? I don't forget about that. He don't forget about that. What are you talking about? I ain't even talk to the man yet. Joe? Yeah, that's not good. That's not good. Joe! They gonna figure it out. Because Lamar has to go there. He has to end up performing. Lamar's gonna ball. That's the thing. He's going to come there and going to perform regardless. So if you don't like him, whatever, whatever, they're showing they came to go get Max Crosby. They're trying to get the defense right. You know, if he didn't show up to the OTAs, that's not a good look. That's problems that we definitely hope that they're having. But when he was like... He didn't, he ain't been showing up to him. We talking about that's what he do. You know what I'm saying? He got to be out training, doing what he do. Now you got the new dude coming here. And he talking about you ain't doing enough. You just go come in here and just start throwing. accusations around? How'd you go through that? You talking about the coach? The OC that got in there, man. What are you talking about? It's not accusations. He said that he wanted him to be in there. He didn't say he wanted him to be in there. He said if somebody wants to win, they need to do this and do that. And it's all the stuff Lamar, I guess, was accustomed to not going to. So why don't you just say his name? He don't want to go that far. No, no, no. So he just wants to speak subliminal. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, man. You know, Max had this. Max got on over there before he left, though. He had to say goodbye to Raider Nation. We got the sound. Listen to this, man. Ever since I've been here, man, I've had one goal and one mission. That's become the best version of myself and helped bring a championship back to the Raider organization. And I feel like I left, you know, everything I had on the table for this team. I've given my heart and soul. And I feel like I let y'all down, man. Ever since day one I wanted to create and build a winner with the Raiders Yo Yes I think the man is sad to go. I think he done got out of there. I think he's sad to go. I think he's sad to go. I think honestly, I mean, no, he's sad to go because the city, the same way. He wanted to go there and legitimately think he could make a winner in Vegas. Fans got behind him. he genuinely thought he could do it. When you're that good of a player, you think wherever you go, you can bring a team. But it's more than just you. You can only do your 111th. You got tackles, guards, you got coaches, you got GMs. There's a bigger thing than just you being able to bring a championship to a team. And that's the part where he's like, yo, when I come in here, he genuinely probably thought, we're going to grow the team here, the core that we got, all these guys, we're going to make something happen. No. You know what I'm saying? And so it's genuine sadness like, man, I really thought I could bring a championship here. Like, I tried my hardest. And then last season when they're blatantly, you're saying I can play, and they're holding you out of games. When you're like, they don't want to win. Like, I'm sorry to the Raiders nation. I wanted to bring a championship here, but it wasn't in the same cahoots of the Raiders nation of the managers and the people of the above, the higher ups. They had a different plan. You saying Tom Brady ain't want to win? I mean, right. I think that maybe, yes, looking at it like the same way basketball. If we ain't going to make the playoffs, we might as well tank, had a best-case scenario to get the highest draft pick. Like something I think they might be doing that. If your best player says he can play and is good to play, you're like, no, no, no, just go ahead, rest it out, we're going to call it the season. Then that's showing that you don't want to win because your best player on defense will probably help you win the game. He wants to go win. He doesn't want to go lose. So you hold him out like, no, no, you just rest that ankle you know i'm saying so that is possibly what was happening and when max is looking at it like we're organizationally not on the same path i know raiders fans y'all wanted to win i wanted to win but i'm sorry i gotta go elsewhere got me up out of here you know i'm saying sorry i couldn't bring all the championship genuinely i wanted to i think that's what it was life okay okay man listen i'm not what you think happy about him leaving i kind of wish he had stayed at least went to the cowboys um because i don't like the fact that we got a scene twice a year okay you know i don't that's what i don't like yeah for them as a raven's fan hell yeah i like it. I love it. But my reaction is nothing compared to Jamar Chase' reaction, man. Listen to this. Joe just fucking texted me. Ravens traded for Max Crosby. No fucking shit. No fucking shit. No fucking shit, brother. I'm fucking highly pissed right now. Oh, my God. Oh my god Fucking How the fuck do we let this nigga go to the fucking division bro Oh my god bro Why the fuck do we let this nigga go to the division bro Oh my god Hey Oh Listen you heard what he said Yes Burrow text him, bruh, I got these three monsters over here, man. I got to see twice a year. They're loading up on me. TJ, and now y'all done brought Crosby over here. Bruh. That's the sound of a man that's like, he's genuinely pissed. He's genuinely pissed. He wants his team to win. When you see that and you're on the squad and now you know, end of the division, they bringing in players know they're like Max Crosby's a dog and Joe Burrow texting him because he know TJ Watt hitting him upside the head look at him that's not a zen he's trying to be zen he's trying to be zen he doesn't feel zen he doesn't feel safe I don't feel safe hey hey that's just you know what I'm saying Joe let me talk to Joe Joe Burrow he needs to buy them boys more than golf oh see listen I got my camera. I'm on my phone right now. See, I ain't got no internet service, you know what I'm saying? So I'm on my phone right now, people. That's why it's kind of iffy, iffy. So the camera... Oh, no, the camera's right here. Okay, so the camera's right there. Hey, Joe. Yes. Joe, let's talk to Joe Burrow. Joe, come on over here to the Steelers, man. Oh. We can protect you. We will protect you at all costs. All costs. You come on over here. we're going to make sure your blind side is protected. We will go out there and spend and spend to make sure you are okay. It's never too late to come on over here. I hear, I see, I feel your concern just from how you called your partner. Like, hey, you know what they done did? They done went and got this monster. And they done let him go over there. They done sent him over there. Yep. Joe. Joe. Come on. Come on. Tell him. Open arms. Open arms. Welcomed. Embrace you, my brother. Embrace Joe Burrow. Now, when you talk about Joe Burrow, that's when you definitely, you answer the phone for anybody. Anybody could go. I don't care. Hey. Anyone could go for Joe. Hey, what y'all want? What you want? What you want? Tell us. What you want? The phone line is open. Huh? Joe just need to get disgruntled. Tell him he want to get out of there. Yeah. Omar Khan. Omar, what's up, baby? But the only way, though, bro, they not lying. We got to do a double deal. Okay. It got to be a double deal. We on right now, but I'm talking to Joe. Me and Joe talking to Joe Burrow right now. So what we going to do is we going to get right. Yeah. I'm going to get back to you after we get through with the show, though. Believe me, I'm going to get in there. I'm going to get in there. You know what? Bump it. I'm going to go ahead and make rewind as well. Bump it. If this ain't tampering, I don't care. if we could do it but we have to bring you know what though he's not leaving Jamar Chase Jamar that's why I said we gotta do a WD we can look past the nasty shit you did we gotta do a WD everything can be forgiven listen everything can be forgiven if I'm giving that's a lot to go everything Hey, what did they say? Everything, Lord forgives, man. How am I not going to be able to forgive? How many first-round picks do we have? What they want, give it. Give them all. We don't need none for the next five, six years. Give them here. Yeah. There you go. Yep. Joe. No, for sure. Yeah, I'm dressing that up however they want it. I'm telling you, brother. Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening live at South by Southwest. This is the biggest night in podcasting. We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative talent and creators in the industry. And the winner is... 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Listen to Burden of Guilt Season 2 on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Oh, wait, I'm telling you. But you know what? It was one place they wouldn't go send Crosby. Tom said, ain't no way. We ain't sending them over there to Patriots. According to ESPN's Jeremy Fowler, the Patriots reportedly wanted Max Crosby in the offseason, but Tom said he wasn't having it. He was not having it. I guess Fowler spoke to someone involved in the Crosby trade and, quote, no way Tom was sending Max to Vrabel. Joe. Yes. Should the Raiders be worried about Tom Brady's ties to the Patriots and how it could affect business decisions, Joe? I would only say if they were willing to offer them two first-round picks and he was still like no, then no. If he's going against the best deal against his personal relationships, Right. Yes. Like, if they're offering, if New England's trying to get over with a friendly deal, like, yeah, give me, I'll give you a first and a fifth for Max. And he's like this, no, I'm not sending them to New England. Completely justified. But if you like, they send you two first rounds and you're like this, no, I'm sending them over here for a first and a second. Y'all got me fucked up. Like, I'm not helping y'all. Right. Then you're, then, then that's when it's like, no, no, Tom. Come on, man. Tighten up, brother. Do we want to. you think it wasn't a first and a first. You thinking it was just a first and something else. I think that it was maybe it had to be a worse deal because I'm not in the mind frame to think that Tom is going to do that. But look, look, look. I don't know what they offered. Let me find out what they offered them. And if it was a first and a first and he was still laughing in their faces, then the Raiders need to be concerned. Well, Okay, but Joe, you know me, I like to stir it up a little bit, Joe. Now, I'm going to say if both deals were equal, then yes, maybe that's a good decision. But if both deals were not equal and they could have got maybe a little pinch more over here with the Patriots I going to tell you what I think may have happened This is just a um hypothetical conspiracy This is a conspiracy. I think this is what happened. Tom said, hell no, I'm not sending him over there and giving them a rusher like that after they done already went to the Super Bowl. And if they had him, they would have had a damn good chance of winning it. And y'all got this young quarterback over there that's doing it. Being compared to me, I can't have him up there about to go ahead and be erasing my legacy as a patriot. It's a little bit of maybe self-preservation. That's what I think, Joe. I think you could be right. I think you could definitely be right. I think because Tom Brady, I mean, he could be like, no, I won the seven there. I'm not trying to get him this. I'm not trying to clip all they were in the ship. If I get him max, then they're automatically going to be right back. Yeah, I mean, I can understand exactly what you're saying. And I think that he could have a little, you never know. Tom Brady could have had a hate in his heart. Well, like, man, no, I don't want the Patriots to be good. Well, you know, it ain't so much hate as it is. preserving your legacy, Joe. Preserving your... His legacy is preserved. He's Tom Brady. He won six of them joints. He on year two and he done went there. He lost the ship. Buddy did not win one ship yet. And he had six. He got seven total. I can see if he started doing this after Buddy won two. Let him win two. And then you start trying to preserve it. You can't give him a shot, Joe. You can't give him no head start. You can't give him what he gave him, man. You put him right there where he'm at. It ain't hating. It's preserving your legacy. Joe, he'd think he's the competitor. Take the best. I think the deal was less. I think he would have took the deal. I want to find out. Somebody that got some inside information, I want to find out how much better the deal was that he took from Baltimore. And then even if it was the same deal, I'm still with him going. You could definitely sending it to the other team. For sure. Oh, yeah. Yeah, for sure. I'm with that, but you know, I think now I think about it, they might have been like, yeah, you know what? He's going to help us out. The hell he is. He's going to give us a play of deal, you know what I'm saying? His legacy here, man. He want to see us win. The hell he do? No, the hell he don't. He want to see y'all go down in the dirt. Yes, he wants to flip the Raiders. Go down in flames. He want the Raiders to win the ship before the Patriots win the ship. No question. no question that's Kraft he don't need no other owners but him and Kraft got a good relationship a great relationship but you gonna let him get a piece of the Patriots I don't know how friendly how much of a friend he is I guess he don't really love me like he say he do if you love me you got to show me show me show me how much for 5% of New England Joe, man, listen here, brother. They said, you know, your browns over there, they said they might have some drama going on over there. No drama. They haven't, I don't know, dude, they haven't been able to get a hold of Miles Garrett. They said since, was it Monk and Guy Hyde? I think maybe he was just driving too fast. The signal couldn't catch up to him and his phone wasn't working or something. Or maybe, I don't know. I mean, he was at the Olympics too. He was supporting his girlfriend, so he might have had bad service. You know what I'm saying? and now the dc well mike ruttenberg they asked him you know had you heard from miles yet and he said um we haven't spoke face to face we both been traveling a lot and i cannot wait to meet i cannot wait to meet him and learn from him obviously amazing as obviously amazingly as much utmost respect for him as a player and all the great things I've heard about him as a person. Joe. Yes. How hard is it to make a phone call, Joe? Hey, TJ Watt then talked to his D coordinator. TJ Watt then had a conversation with his D coordinator. Bro, it is literally offseason. So there is no issue, Joe, that he hasn't even talked to the D.C. One time yet. You know why? He's Miles Garrett. He's going to be there on time, ready to perform. Like, what we going to talk about? What we going to talk about right now during the offseason? I understand. You got your draft stuff. How you know he ain't going to change the whole defense? It don't even matter. When Miles gets there, what you going to do? He knows how to get after the passer. All defenses, you need a Miles. That's crazy, Joe. It's going to fit wherever. That's crazy. And Miles is going to be there in April, and he's going to come in there. He's going to be there. He's going to be a leader. I just don't get it. All that, don't be putting that pressure on him. Hey, do y'all hear how much Joe is a Browns fan? He doesn't even want to say anything is possible for there to be any negative consequences from them. This is crazy. I'm just saying we got enough drama already that's real. Please do me a favor and take those Stiller helmets out of your office. Huh? This is real drama, Joe. This is not real drama. This is not. Okay, but Lamar's OC saying something ain't real drama, but him not even talking to the man ain't real drama, even though he's been trying to get a hold of him. He didn't say he was trying to get a hold of him. Hey, I'm just, I'm reading in between the lines. No, you're adding lies. You're adding lies. He didn't reach out to Miles. Miles ain't reached out to him. Because he's trying to figure out everything else. He knows one thing. When OTAs and all that come, Miles Garrett is going to be the starting defensive end for, he needs to be figuring out his plan and how he's going to do Miles. Miles going to be there. Don't trip. Miles getting his 40. Miles going to be there. And Miles is going to come. Maybe now it's going to be like that 40 ain't enough no more, man. After what y'all did, I need 50. Nope, he good. He good. He still got another year until he get to negotiating again. Miles going to just chill, do what he got to do. Off season, he's enjoying it after 23 and a half. He don't got to see it, Miles. Come back right there in April. He still got a couple days, a couple weeks, two, three weeks. That's crazy. He just got a ticket, though, not even two weeks ago. but he still couldn't hide in Cleveland. He was trying to get to the airport. He was trying to get to the airport. To go. At least he could have said he was trying to get to the X Games. To go talk to him. Like, the man, listen. Okay, Joe. Miles can't do no wrong. Miles can't do no wrong. All right, look, for real, he could at the end of the day. A phone call isn't hard. And being the text. Hey, how you doing? This is Miles, man. nice to e-meet you, text meet you, man. I get a hold of you when my schedule get a little bit lighter, you know what I'm saying? Like, anything, Joe. Am I off or are you off, Joe? Look like we done lost Joe, y'all. So now it is the D-Boat show. I've been waiting on this. I've been waiting on this the whole time. I ain't gonna lie to y'all. Dammit, is he coming back? This is the Devo show. Look here, man. So what we're going to do is we're going to get into a little bit of other news here, man. We got a big signing over here with Philly, man. They done signed Jordan Davis to a huge contract over here, man. Let's check this out right here. He just signed a extension. It's a three-year extension, actually. 70 what is that 76 million dollars 78 million dollars he just signed a 78 million dollar extension that makes him the highest paid nose tackle in nfl history he got 65 million guaranteed 2022 what was he the 13th pick he was going into his fifth year that was 13 million for his fifth year option obviously that they picked up this right here is one of those things man that I love to see man I like to see dudes breaking records getting more money and more money they had no choice to be honest with you The dude is just a straight-up monster. When you look at him, especially his ability in a run game, there's no way that you're going to be able to stop him. No, hey, cut Joe out. There's no way you're going to be able to stop him. My Wi-Fi snapped out. You know, the man runs a 4-7-8, you know, in the 40. Him and Joe usually run the same time. 341 pounds. The man is 6'6". He's big. My Wi-Fi went out. You know, running the ball, you're going to need at least two to block him. Passing the ball, you're going to need at least two to block him. You cannot stop him with one. He's going to collapse your pocket. Y'all tell me when Joe gets back. And when that happens, the quarterback cannot throw the ball, man. Who are you talking about? Yes, they better have paid that man good money. Who are you talking about? If they didn't, it would have been some smoke in the city. They had to do what they had to do. You understand? that's what you do you make yourself unable to be let go and they gotta pay you more and more and that's how you do it you hear me people I hear y'all in the chat yes Joe got some BS internet that is right and he don't pay his bills right in the middle of the miles talk they just cut off oh it just cut off right in the middle oh Joe back Oh, there he is. Yeah, I'm here. It cut off in the middle of the miles. I'm here. See, I was informing the people about Jordan Davis, his three-year extension, 78 million. The man becomes the highest paid nose tackle in NFL history. That's how you do it. Dude, that dude is a monster, brother. Yes. Huge. Two. You need two at all times. You ain't moving him with one. No. You ain't moving him with one. That's what. Freeing up my linebackers, dude. That's freeing up my linebackers. That's what you need. Mm-hmm. And that's how you see it. Defensive tackles getting that bag. Everybody. Everybody getting that bag. 69, 12, 15, 18. There's 26 million a year now for D tackles. Dude, it's, I think he got 65 guaranteed. Deservingly so. Oh, yeah. No question. That dude is a baller. No question. He can plug up the middle. People need dudes like that. And when you do it for the team, you're like, I love to see when the team that you ball for takes care of you. Yes, sir. That's the way to do it. Next Monday, our 2026 iHeart Podcast Awards are happening live at South by Southwest. This is the biggest night in podcasting. We'll honor the very best in podcasting from the past year and celebrate the most innovative, talented creators in the industry. And the winner is... Creativity, knowledge, and passion will all be on full display. Thank you so much, iHeartRadio. Heart Radio. Thank you to all the other nominees. You guys are awesome. Watch live next Monday at 8 p.m. Eastern, 5 p.m. Pacific, free at veeps.com or the veeps app. I'm Clayton Eckerd. In 2022, I was the lead of ABC's The Bachelor. But here's the thing. Bachelor fans hated him. If I could press a button and rewind it, all I would. That's when his life took a disturbing turn. A one-night stand would end in a courtroom. The media is here. This case has gone viral. The dating contract. Agree to date me, but I'm also suing you. This is unlike anything I've ever seen before. I'm Stephanie Young. 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