The Daily Stoic

No, This Is The Mission | Kindness Is Always The Right Response

8 min
May 12, 202622 days ago
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Summary

Ryan Holiday explores how obstacles become the mission itself through Stoic philosophy, drawing on Marcus Aurelius and his book 'The Obstacle Is the Way.' The episode emphasizes that kindness—particularly in response to hostility—is the ultimate expression of strength, illustrated through examples from the civil rights movement and Marcus Aurelius's teachings.

Insights
  • Obstacles and setbacks are not detours from your mission but are the mission itself; adaptation and growth occur through accepting changed circumstances rather than resisting them
  • Kindness in response to aggression or unkindness is a sign of strength, not weakness, and often disarms hostility by breaking the expected cycle of retaliation
  • Non-violence and grace require disciplined training and practice, not just philosophical agreement; Martin Luther King's response to violence was the result of lifetime preparation
  • Responding to provocations with comebacks or retaliation feels cathartic but undermines progress and rarely changes minds or improves outcomes
  • Meeting everyone with sincere kindness, especially those who treat you poorly, creates unexpected psychological impact that can shift perspectives
Trends
Growing interest in Stoic philosophy as practical framework for modern leadership and personal resilienceEmphasis on emotional discipline and non-reactive leadership as competitive advantage in businessRenewed focus on civil rights history as template for understanding non-violent conflict resolutionIntegration of ancient philosophical wisdom into contemporary self-help and professional developmentShift from transactional to values-based leadership approaches emphasizing kindness and integrity
Topics
Stoic philosophy and virtue ethicsObstacle adaptation and mission pivotingNon-violent resistance and civil disobedienceEmotional discipline and self-controlKindness as strengthMartin Luther King Jr. and civil rights movementMarcus Aurelius and MeditationsLeadership through grace and forgivenessPsychological impact of unexpected kindnessTraining for moral courage
People
Ryan Holiday
Host of the podcast discussing Stoic philosophy and personal development through virtue ethics
Marcus Aurelius
Ancient Stoic philosopher whose writings on obstacles and kindness are central to episode themes
Mark Sprelius
Ancient Stoic referenced for his passage on how obstacles become the path forward
James Peck
White Freedom Rider whose memoir demonstrates kindness and non-violence during segregation-era attacks
Martin Luther King Jr.
Example of disciplined non-violence and kindness in response to violence and hatred
Malcolm X
Contrasted with MLK's approach; represented alternative view on responding to violence
Seneca
Ancient Stoic quoted on the principle that everyone we meet is an opportunity for kindness
Quotes
"The obstacle isn't a detour. It is the path."
Ryan Holiday~3:30
"There can be no impeding our intentions or dispositions, because we can accommodate and adapt. The mind adapts and converts to its own purposes, the obstacle to our acting."
Marcus Aurelius (via Ryan Holiday)~2:45
"Rudeness, meanness, cruelty, these are a mask for deep-seated weakness. And kindness in these situations is only possible for people of great strength."
Ryan Holiday~12:00
"What if the next time you were treated poorly, you didn't just restrain yourself from fighting back? What if you responded with unmitigated, sincere kindness?"
Ryan Holiday~10:30
"It's easy to have a comeback. It's easy to dunk on the idiot who's attacking you. It's therapeutic and cathartic even, but it doesn't help us move forward."
Ryan Holiday~18:00
Full Transcript
Welcome to the Daily Stoic podcast designed to help bring those four key Stoic virtues, courage, discipline, justice, and wisdom into the real world. Hey, it's Ryan. Hope you are well. I am just working on my talk. I'm going to be giving a talk in San Francisco and Portland in mid-June. I'd love to see you there. You can grab tickets at DailyStoicLive.com. If you're not on the West Coast, you want to see me in the Midwest or on the East Coast. Tickets are up Chicago, Minneapolis, Detroit, Boston, DC. I'm forgetting another one. And then I'm going to be in Australia in October as well. All those tickets at DailyStoicLive.com. No, this is the mission. You thought you were supposed to be doing this. You thought your job was to do that. You are on a mission to do something very specific. But then what happened? Life happened. Stuff happened. Other people happened. And now, now that is the mission. When Mark Sprelius wrote his famous passage about how the obstacle is the way, this is what he was referring to. There can be no impeding our intentions or dispositions, he said, because we can accommodate and adapt. The mind adapts and converts to its own purposes, the obstacle to our acting. One can prevent our mission, he was saying, because the mission adapts. We thought our assignment was one thing, but now we realize it's another. Might be less fun. We might require more patience than we plan, more forgiveness than we possess. Demand more creativity than anticipated. But that's the point. We are growing and changing and expanding to meet this new mission. The obstacle isn't a detour. It is the path. It's crazy to me. Last year was the 10-year anniversary of the obstacle as a way, and now it's the 11th year anniversary of it. I just, it's not anything I could have imagined without that book. I don't, I don't know. My life would be very different. Certainly we wouldn't be here talking. If you haven't read the obstacle is the way yet, you can check it out. We have a 10-year anniversary edition. I'll sign your copy. We've got leather bound editions in the Daily Stoke Store as well. I'll link to all that in today's show notes. I just heard this stat that shocked me, given that I hear from the sales staff at my publisher quite a bit. The status sales team spend about 50% of their time on admin work instead of selling, relationship building, closing deals, which means they're not selling, right? And that's where today's sponsor comes in, Pipe Drive. It's a simple, intelligent CRM tool for small and medium businesses. Pipe Drive was built from the ground up to strip away that manual work, that stuff that's wasting your time taking your sales team away from doing the thing you pay them to do, which is sell stuff. 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If you want to see what Optimize could look like for your organization, visit scribe.how.scibe.how.stoic. Kindness is always the right response. This is the May 12th entry from the Daily Stoic. This is invincible, only when it's sincere, with no hypocrisy or faking. For what even can the most malicious person do if you keep showing kindness? And if given the chance, you gently point out where they went wrong? Right, as they were trying to harm you. This is Marcus Aurelis' Meditations 1118. What if the next time you were treated poorly, you didn't just restrain yourself from fighting back? What if you responded with unmitigated, sincere kindness? What if you could, as the Bible says, love your enemies and do good to those who hate you? What kind of effect do you think that would have? The Bible says that when you can do something nice and caring to a hateful enemy, it is like heaping burning coals on their head. The expected reaction to hatred is more hatred. When someone says something pointed or mean today, they are expecting you to respond in kind, not with kindness. And when that doesn't happen, they are embarrassed. It's a shock to their system. It makes them and you better. Rude-ness, mean-ness, cruelty, these are a mask for deep-seated weakness. And kindness in these situations is only possible for people of great strength. You have that strength. Use it. I read a book by James Peck, who was one of the Freedom Riders. In fact, the book is called Freedom Rides, but it's his memoir. James Peck was one of the few white Freedom Riders, one of the early white participants in passive resistance to the horrendous injustice that was segregation in Jim Crow in the American South. And in the book, he talks a handful of times about when he's being beat, he's attacked on these different occasions and how in the middle of being beaten or bullied or attacked or whatever, he would often say something to the person attacking him. He'd ask them a question or he wouldn't respond to an insult. He'd say something nice. And how often this was like a record scratch moment. In some cases, it would shake the person out of their sort of spiral of rage and hatred because they just expected to get nastiness back. And when they didn't, it didn't always work, of course, but it was like, whoa, what am I doing? Who is it? It kind of reminded them, oh, this is a human being I'm about to do this to, not this abstraction that I've projected all this stuff to. Non-violence, of course, is the highest expression of this sort of biblical wisdom, the Christ-like suggestion of turning the other cheek. It's extraordinarily difficult to do. The people in the civil rights movement, they didn't just hear about this once and then magically become these saints. There was real training, one of the amazing stories. Martin Luther King is attacked on stage as he's speaking to a large leadership conference in the civil rights movement. And he's being beaten by this Nazi, a literal member of the American Nazi Party. And the crowd watches like, is he going to fight back? Is he going to lift his hands to protect themselves? And they note the incredible discipline in which Martin Luther King drops his hands, like actually makes himself less defended. Again, that was a lifetime of training and meditation and planning and experience that gets him. They're not unlike the training that a special forces operator would have, you know, under fire. And then when the person is apprehended, Martin Luther King insists that he not be hurt, he takes him to a back room, not to beat the crap out of him, not to neutralize this threat, which Malcolm X would say he ought to have done, but he has like a pleasant conversation with him. And again, that's a record scratch, like the amount of discipline that that takes. I'm not asking that of you because I'm not sure I could give it myself, but Seneca's point that, look, everyone we meet is an opportunity for kindness. But to see these moments when we're provoked, when we're attacked, when we are treated unfairly, when we are abused, that makes the kindness all the greater, all the more impressive. And I want you to see that not as a weakness, but as a part of those disciplines of courage and discipline and justice and wisdom. Martin Luther King realizes that, you know, blacks and believers in racial equality in the United States were hopelessly outnumbered, that the forces of segregation in many cases had control of the police and the military, and that it was insane to try to fight that violence with violence. So he decided to treat it instead with kindness, with grace, with forgiveness, with discipline. And in the end, it was the only thing that made a difference. I'm not perfect at this. I respond to provocations and insults and attacks. It's never really to my benefit. I almost always regret it. It's not the kind thing to do. It's easy to have a comeback. It's easy to dunk on the idiot who's attacking you. It's therapeutic and cathartic even, but it doesn't help us move forward. It's not a great look. It certainly doesn't change their mind. So let's focus today on meeting everyone and everything with kindness, especially, particularly unkindness. Let's meet that kindness with unkindness, see what kind of difference it makes. Let's see who it stops short and whose attention it catches.