Johnny Famiglietti of HEALTH

What was the band that you would say like changed your life? So the show that changed my life was right next to my house is the team center at the epicenter in San Diego. It was the Locusts. It's oops, the tour, the Locusts, Airborne radar, Lightning Bolt, Blood Brothers, Harkinon on one bill for like eight bucks. And wow. And this is how old I am. I at the time I was working at Blockbuster Video. And and so and I had been scheduled to they have to do this overnight thing where you have to scan every single piece. I used to work from like midnight to 6 a.m. Just scanning the things. Yeah, like the worst gig ever. So I went to the show and I was just in the pit covered in sweat. And it was like the most life changing show in the world. And before that, I'd love music, but I'm like, I'm not going to make a band. There's no money music. I'd be stupid to have a show. I'm like, I'm making a band like as soon as I can. I like a bed. I like a dog in the bed or a cat like to sleep with the animal. We have two cats. I love to sleep with the cat in the bed. Yeah. But I hate that you have to move your legs to cradle the cat just right. Is that weird how you have to do that? I don't know. They like the walls or something. I have worth it for me. You know, I have two cats that I did not want. I mean, you clearly say that I was not a cat person. I was a I was and I was barely a dog person. Now I'll tell you why. But now I'm a dog person for sure. I got a dog that changed my life and then he since past. But I wasn't a dog person. I had some trauma. My dog got hit by a car when I was seven and my dad made me bury it. Whoa, that's like old. It's like settler time. It's kind of shit. Maybe why do you make you bury it? Or is it because it was our dog? He said it was like a lesson. God bless him. Listen, I do not. I do not slander my father on this show. He's passed away. No, maybe this was actually a great thing, perhaps, and like the animal. But he was old school. He was tough. But it was like he was tough because it was your fault. It was like you let the mean about it. He wasn't like, OK, the damn dog. He wasn't like that. But he definitely made me participate in the. You know, that's maybe a great. I mean, you learned about the reality of life. Who's a good for me? You know, I was a terrible. Maybe it may be horrible. It may be. And so I say this in reference to my my father, who's listening from heaven. The with all the respect in the world, because I feel like karmically like I can't I can't say anything bad because I I do feel like I have the utmost respect and love. But so when I say it, I said it and it sounded a lot harsher than it was. He wasn't unkind about it. Mm hmm. But he was, I think, trying to teach us about life and death. Yes. And I just don't think at seven or eight, I was ready for that. Like that. It's true. We're no different than the dog. You will have to bury your father one day. And, you know, they should put us down like dogs instead of just like on the last like 10 years is horrible. Like I would love if someone fucking just put me down. So that's true. I'm just thinking, OK, here's the first thought of my mind. You know, hard as a dig a fucking hole. You did. You actually had to dig six feet down. Yeah, we dug a hole. How big is the dog? The dog was midsize. So I buried both my dogs and my friend. Yeah, in my front yard, so I want to keep my graves close to me. And also I don't want to throw my dog in the trash. It's like my best friend. So I dug graves in front of this hard at California. Digging that hole. Yeah, California. Different. I didn't even go six feet down. I was like, there's there's no way. Like I went about four probably dug a probably about a two foot by three foot by four foot hole. Probably two to three feet deep. There were shovels. We were like, but we did it together. And I guess you could look at it like it was this beautiful. It was not. So your dad was digging with you. Yeah. No, no. My dad, my dad, my dad was like, we got to get the dog and bury it. And I was like. I mean, now if I like we've had pets die, I don't know why it makes me feel so sick to say it like it. I would have said it sounds like he did the right thing, but apparently trauma tells you so probably not. This is a good conversation. I actually did want to have therapy today. So welcome. You're my therapist. I'm terribly unqualified. I think you're actually qualified. Really? Yeah. That says bad things about their business. No, I think you have a I think you have a blunt way of putting things. Uh-huh. And I think that we need to hear that sometimes. Sure. Yeah. All right. So go with me. OK. Therapist, I say it and I feel sick because it sounds like I'm talking shit. I'm not. I think it was a beautiful lesson. Like, you know, learning about death. Yeah, absolutely. And at that age, I think that's probably the age where you're like, oh, shit, like you realize like from five to seven is probably the age where you're like, oh, shit dies. It's real. Yeah. Yeah. I think maybe some more therapeutic conversation with the ritual of burying it might have probably been, you know, but at the time in the 90s and the early 90s or late 80s or however old I was, yeah, so late 80s, actually fucking old. I think we didn't have fucking Instagram to go like or like fucking chat. You be tea like, how do I tell my kid about the fucking dog that died? That's terrible. I don't talk to computer about that. But I feel like this is the deep. Yes. But but I feel like now we have resources to like gut check how to approach a subject or a tough subject. And I do think that that's a good thing. I wouldn't fully depend on it. But yeah. Well, I mean, I mean, I think as a society, you know, we kind of hide death. We like put it over there. And it's like, you know, and then like you're going to go and like, especially, you know, dogs, you know, you love the dog so much and they live on fast forward and you just see him like that's going to be you. Just a little bit of time. Yeah. Yeah. So like you have to put it away. So I don't mind as well. So context is important because it makes me it makes me it makes my dad sound awful. It wasn't that he was very. No, he was digging it with you. It's totally different. I imagine this like old timing movie like dig a song. God. Yeah. No, like he was with us. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's a lesson learned, you know, it's the dog. And, you know, he buried the dog. But I think something in me like kind of like wouldn't let me love another dog. You don't get hurt again. They live so fast. I don't want to get hurt again. And then I got this dog, Eero. He was a German shepherd. I had him. He died during COVID, but I had him for nine years. And he's the best dog ever. By the eighth, seventh or eighth year, I really bonded with him. Like it took that long. And then I became a dog person again. And now I have, when he passed away, I got two dogs to replace him, two more German shepherds. And now I have two German shepherds. Amazing. And I love them. But then the cats came and my wife is a cat person. She loves cats and she adopted these cats. And I argued with her about like why we shouldn't have cats. And didn't matter. The kids and her wanted the cats. And now I think with cats, it's funny. If you love cats, they won't give you the time of day. If you don't love cats, they are all over you. And that's like my cats. They love me. So when we go to bed every night, two cats are on me. One's down there at my feet. One's right here on my stomach. I love it. They say right on me. Big family animals in the bed. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Regardless of its foundation. It's nice. I'm a dog guy. I've heard my dogs and recent cat owners had a bit of a rat problem at my house. Oh, so you got a cat. Well, you're not two cats because during COVID, I got chickens. When you get chickens, you get rats. Yeah. We had chickens. And then you got to get cats. Get rid of the rats. Chickens die. They all die terribly. I had seven chickens every single one had the most terrible traumatic death. Terrible death. It's like not worth it. The squirrels kill them. And I saw them get murdered by a raccoon. One died in my arms in my shower. And I'm like trying to save it. I'm like, no. The most of the fucked up by the last chicken, my favorite chicken. I left the cooler open to dry and I heard this banging and I went outside. It had gotten in the cooler. The cooler had slammed and broke its own neck trying to get the fuck out. Oh, I opened it and it was still alive. I'm like, I got you. I got you, buddy. And I'm running and running. And then it like died in my hands. And I'm like, but, you know, I think back to our death conversation with the animals. Do you got to see the dignity of death? There's no strings. It's just like lights off. It's like, you know, I think people do need to see that. So that's why it's good to be around the animals and have the love of the animal and have them die on you. You know, yeah, teaches kids about it. And then you got to bury him. I buried all my chickens too. Oh, wow. Or actually depends. I'd go to the to the park. Live by Parkland coyotes and toss them. Toss them bushes for the coyotes to eat. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Me turtles. One died. I don't understand owning a turtle. Nothing wrong with that. Just I can't put it in the bed with my. I don't either. You know, this is what happens when you have kids and they're little and they want pets and you get them these, these strange turtles and the turtles would dig underground every year to hibernate. And then they would find their, they dig their way up at springtime or whatever. They just live in the backyard. They live in the backyard, but we had a big box. I don't know. They're just running free. They were walking free. They were in their big cage. And then so we had a chicken coop and then an outside of the chicken coop was like this, fenced in small fenced in area to keep the dogs away from the chickens. Yeah. Yeah. And then the turtles were in that part. So they just walk. But then every year they dig underground to hibernate. Yeah. Yeah. And then they dig their way out in the yard and then they emerge in spring and you just happen upon them. I love this. You'd be like, oh, there you are. And then you put them back in and they'd be there for the spring or summer. And then they would dig their way out during the winter and come back up in spring and you'd find them again. Do you feed them? Like what do you have to do? Oh, you feed them. Yeah. You feed them like scraps, like chickens. Can you feed them like human food? No, lettuce, vegetables. That's what I got off about the chickens. I wish I would love a goat. I don't know if it's a room, but like, because you can just feed them. Goats are amazing. You just feed them all the crap. Pigs too. Yeah. Pigs seems a little too crazy. A little crazy. So you like animals. Not like crazy. I just like a dog or a cat. It's like, you know, like meat, like I love to eat exotic meats, but really you figure out why the best are just like chicken and cow, you know, it's standard. Like it's actually not. You got all these wacky meats. You're like, that's not no wonder. They have the standard. It's like, that's why there's just dogs and cats. Wacky meat is gamey. Doesn't it? Don't you find it's a big gamey? Or it's just, or it's kind of like a little weird. I like venison. I had to eat it to say I ate it. You know, like your Mexico city likes to eat the insects to say I did it. It's fun. Where are you from? San Diego, actually. Oh, OK. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I like San Diego. Yeah. California, though. That's nice. I'm from Maryland, so we kill deer. Yes. I love deer. Actually, I love venison. Yeah. It's still it's great. Yeah. It's great. It's a little spicy. A necessity to control the population of deer. They wreak havoc on. Yeah. I'm like one deer last year. Like God knows how long. Yeah. Yeah. You freeze it. And it is it is really good. That was a nice way to get to know each other. Yeah. I don't know. I had to probably go. I think I was going to be like, you know, my dad died when I was eight. You know, I learned about, you know, I don't like to be the death that way around similar age. You know, did you? Yeah. Oh my God. I don't have to bury him. That would be fucked up. Yeah. I'm sorry. Why? I was like, really? That was like, that was really tough. But eight's tough, man. Yeah. That's tough, dude. Yeah. Did you was that hard? Like, I don't know. I think I was just low on really low on trauma. You know, like people are like, I like friends are like their parents got divorced and they're like still fucked up. Right. And I was like, all right. Like, you know, I can't like imagine. That's tough, man. Eight. That's really tough. Yeah. I don't like, I don't there's, I don't have any special like there's no special like, oh, because of this or like, you know, like it didn't really didn't affect my life in that kind of way. Right. But do you think that maybe, listen, I think life is hard for everyone in a different way. Somehow, some way, like everyone's going to lose someone at different. Of course. So there's never a good age to lose someone, but it seems like at a young age, when you're still just making sense of the world, forming your like, you're coming to your own understanding of the world, eight seems like in those key years. Do you think that maybe your natural way to survive a hard thing like that was to kind of like not being traumatized? I don't know. Like, I think we kind of like, we try to like look into like this cause and effect stuff of things so much like we think our lives a story like a narrative and just stuff happens and, you know, and if I think like ancient times, like you would have lost like four brothers, I was even super traumatic. You'd be like, fuck, but you know, you would have dealt with that so often. Just people are just dying. Right. All the fucking time. It was so brutal. Or even just better times, people just dying on the semi-regularly. Yeah. You lose a brother or whatever, you know, which was still fucking up. No, no, no doubt. But it was more like it was more common all the time. People were absolutely. Kind of like going back to before that he kind of trying everyone trying to hide the death like, oh, what happens over there? Right. Or now it's in the hospital and kind of bury him and you just don't see people like dying. Right. Or it makes you upset or like, you know, and get them out of your way, you know. So I think your dad did the right thing. Possibly. I think he maybe. Yeah. Yeah. But I also think that you have a pretty good at it. Like I feel like there's something to your attitude towards it. It's a bit more like a little too lofty. Also, you know, we can't control people. I think I might just be like a little wired slightly in a way that's like, you know, a lot of people just got all kinds of stuff. I'm just, I happen to be wired in a way that's like not prone to that. So I have a easier time. Yeah. Or less, maybe less emotional. I'm pretty emotional guy. OK. I cry on a movie. Oh, OK. I love music. More music is pure emotion, you know. OK. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So your emotional life acts out in art stuff. Movies, music. No, I mean, just I'm just saying like I'm not some like weird, like, you know, feel any, yeah, I'm not some fucking robot. No, I get very emotional. Yeah. Very, very, you know, feel things very much. Yeah. Listen, I'm just coming from a perspective of like, wait, I actually started to expect this and think of this thing. So you're breaking around. Are you just like falling your eyes? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, crying and digging a hole. Yeah, yeah, yeah. A total sadness. So good. But now that we've talked, I actually I was I actually think that we got somewhere because I think I finally made peace with that experience. That's great. So thank you. This is how therapy works. Kind of. Yeah, I've never been there. I never know. I think therapy is like unpacking things. It's like going into your basement and pulling out boxes and unpacking things. And then kind of like some of its memories, some of it you keep, some of it you get rid of. Some of it you bring back up to the house and put it on a shelf. Some of it, you know, so I feel like it's like this, like process. Of going back sometimes back. Sometimes therapy is about right now. And I think looking at the situation and going like measuring it and going like, how am I like, am I approaching this the right way? Am I like, why was I so offended by that person? Looking inward and going, oh, maybe it was me. Instead of always sourcing a problem as being external, which there are external problems. But mostly I think external is like stressors versus problems, but we'll make them a problem if we think it's a problem. But if we go internally and go, wait, why am I so bothered by that thing over there? That's not even touching me or not even really near me if I don't want to be near it. Or why am I repeating a pattern with the same, like the same pattern with different people? Or why do I have the same problem with these 10 different people? You know, and when we start to look at and go internally and go like, oh, there's something going on. It's usually like self-esteem or usually like trauma or it's usually like something maybe we just weren't even aware of. And I think that I think therapy is like going to the gym an hour or two a week that is just dedicated to internal work. You know, that's great. That's pretty cool. I like it. And it's like the gym. It's like not everyone gets to work out all the time. I get it. But like I get to do like three hours a week of working out that I feel like really makes me feel happy. For sure. Makes me feel good. That's proven. Do you work out? I was working out a lot. Started the year like New Year's resolution and I was like gaining all this muscle and like you look pretty fit. Well, it's kind of the problem. You know, like this is the thing in rock and roll for a guy to be buff and play guitar. Like it doesn't look good. Like the buffer you get, the better you look with your shirt off to a wrestler or like, you know, the misfits, everyone's got to have their shirt off. If you're just buffer in clothes, especially that cool clothes, like you just look fucking, you just look big. Jack. Yeah, you just weird. You look weird. It's like when a wrestler puts on a t-shirt, they look goofy. Like they look funny. Like what are you doing here, sir? So and you can't be like a muscly lead singer. If you are, everyone's like, yeah, it's just weird. So it's not rock and roll. You're kind of right about that. Yeah. And then it's like, it's like, why are you working out? Aren't you up all night doing drugs? You know, or someone ever. So there's kind of a singer. I'm like, and I'm working my ass off. I feel pretty healthy, but like I'm like, look, could you find it funny? And then I was like, ah, I was a talk scene. Loud and Jake, we've interviewed here. I was like, I was like, I was working. It's kind of just made me kind of bulk in. Jake's like, well, now that you mentioned it, you look kind of like, I was going to say. Getting a little buff. So I'm not sure what to do. Not good for the image. Yeah. Yeah. It's I'd like to. I was looking the best, honestly, obviously, when you're just younger, you just naturally really skinny, but like what I was just being skinnier overall. So I was trying to always do that fasting thing, but I was on tour and I was like partying with these like kids in Finland, like at the. The festival. And I'm like, oh, I can't eat today. So I'm just like drinking this local, whatever insane drink. The next day I was like on the plane next to Jake and like I was like, oh, I don't know. I'm not so good. So I was like puking in the bag and I literally just like went lights out and I was like puking while lights out. And like everyone thought I was dead or like, it was like, just like, wow. And I went hard. I was like covering in puke like, and the splat times is horrifying. And I was like, something wrong. And she's like, but I'm terrified. I'm like, I'm like, it's good. It's like, she's like, you're not okay. You're not okay. I'm like, oh, you can't. Can't skip meals and drink. Like just stop. Stop. It doesn't work. So now trying to do like trying to just do less calories. I need to figure out a new workout routine. I should do like workouts like girls do or like ones that aren't just that binky bulky. No, like Pilates, something like that. Yeah. Now the thought of that is sounds terrible to me, but it'd be good for you. You know. Yeah. So it's, I'll be honest with you. I couldn't bring myself to do Pilates. Yeah. But maybe hot yoga. Maybe. So also thing it's just like, I'm just, I'm not a very extremely coordinated guy. I'm like the only man in the room and I'm just like, I have an idea. I'm goofy. You know, yeah. What about martial arts? I guess so. Jiu-jitsu or something. I mean, so all these tech assholes learning fucking martial arts podcast bros. Drinking my fucking AG one. But you know, a lot of them are like walking brains and they figured out. Yeah. Yeah. We'll be talking about like the decline of the West and birth rates. And maybe. Yeah. But maybe, but maybe like they figured like doing martial arts is really good for you. Yeah. I do love the idea of being able to fight. I just, um, go should do that earlier. It's all these things like I don't like working out. I would like to work out for, you know, for, for reasons. But if you could give me a workout and a can, I'd also drink that. Oh, I drink it up. Like I love this. Those epic shit. Like I don't need it. But like, I'm like, this is great. Should shoot it up. Like it works. I agree. Science is the thing. Yeah. But working out is good for the mind. It's very good for you. It's Madorfans. My brother was like, he's very different. And like, he, you know, he was, he totally changed his mind. The endorphins is working out. He just get up. My brother's fucking jacked to the gills. Right. Yeah. But he's very different guy. We're totally different people. And he's like, what's he do? What's his name? Eric. Eric. Okay. He works in biotech. Some kind of, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll coach up. Yeah. Serious. Think so. Yeah. He's always stressed. He's working hard. He's works a lot harder than me. Right. Yeah. Right. And he's, and he really works out the, bumping, pumping iron and stuff like that. So yeah. I was only able to work out because my homie is like super into working outs or doing together. Right. But now. You gotta have a partner. So now I need something, I need something new. What about a sport? Fuck no. No. No fucking way. No tennis. Also, man, when I'm going to do like break my ankle, you know, like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. It just happens. Yeah. Yeah. Walk. What about a hike? Walk the dog. I do. I do walk. I walk. There you go. I walk. I walk my friend's dog. That counts. I like to walk. It does count. That actually counts. Yeah. So you have been working out because you've been walking. No, I walk. I walk daily at the 10,000 steps. Very easy to do. I like to walk around very low impact. I like to walk a dog. My buddy's got a dog. I've been dog sitting a lot. You're dog sitting? My buddy bought a puppy and he like, he's like, get this thing off my hands. I'm sure. Well, I promise puppy is too early. It's like piss and shitting everywhere. Yeah. Yeah. It's out of control. Yeah. And I've never trained a dog. So I don't like, I'm like, stop. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's hard to train dogs. It's hard to train dogs. Some dogs are more prone to be trained than others. But yeah. I like the, I would like to get more fit. Yeah. So I was thinking about what I want to talk about today. But besides have therapy, which was the first thing that came to my mind. I was like, just have therapy. And I was like, no, this is about you. It's not about me. So I was like, no, no, no, no. But okay. I want to know how Warhammer works. Oh man. This is, this is, this is, this is, it's way too complicated. All right. So this is a, it is a tabletop war game. Yep. I love it. Where you collect figurines that you put together and paint. I knew that. And they have different armies and you collect the. So there's different factions, right? Mm-hmm. And there's extremely huge amount of lore, but that's really unimportant. There's this different armies. You collect your army and you paint them, put them together. And then they have rules and you have a game you can play, where you can make them fight. And with other people. With other people. So you have to physically be together to play the game. You get together and you get out a ruler and you move a guy, you know, six inches and you roll dice in a hobby store with like terrain. Okay. That's it at the bare minimum. Okay. And how often do you play Warhammer? Not very often. Here's the, okay. Here's the dirty secret of Warhammer. The game kind of sucks ass. Like, and it's not very fun. But the figures are cool. The thing is, okay. So Warhammer, if I really want to talk about Warhammer, if you're going to get me started, Warhammer is like the Rick Owens or like, it's like the top tier of nerddom. Like you keep going. Or it's like, or it's like, yes, it's way above magic. Magic's a great game though. It's true. But magic, you're constantly buying cards. This is way more, this is so, this is like Rick Owens, this is like designer clothes. It's like getting into cocaine. Like it's just like your lifestyle is going to change. Like it's expensive. Right. And you're going to start doing those weird stuff you didn't do before. I guess designer clothes is probably better than cocaine. Well, cocaine is fucking expensive. So maybe, maybe either. But let's say you're just starting spending a lot more money. I've never done cocaine or bought it. Sure. Well, whatever. You've, you've bought Rick Owens or some. Yes, I have. This is what it is. Okay. Designer clothes. So you're a nerd. All nerd activities are pretty cheap. D&D is like the best. It's really cheap. Yeah. You can get more. And magic's starting to get pretty expensive. But you're still with the nerd zone. Once you get into Warhammer, you're like, oh shit. How much is this t-shirt? How much is these fucking boots? What? You know, it's like you're, you're getting that crazy. But you simply must have it. It's, there's this, it speaks to a certain kind of man, normal man. The upper echelon of nerddom. There, the fetishization, fetishization of fucking the guns and the armor and the color and what this dude looks like. And this is what his helmet likes. And he's from the planet there. And he has this, and this, and they fight like this. And they're, they're a couple. It's like, it just keeps going and going. It's this very like, it turns into this weird obsession. It's, and if it speaks to you, it speaks to you. Like when I was a kid, I walked into a store and I remember just seeing a picture and I was like, what the fuck is that? And then I, they had these free catalogs. I bought them. I just like thumbing through like, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God, oh my God. It's like the coolest thing you've ever seen. And just, it just hits this, the zone. So yeah, it's, of all the nerd activities, it's the most esoteric, the most expensive, the most ridiculous. And after all of it, the game kind of sucks. You know, so it's like, it's like this thing where it's like, you buy your, you buy this amazing designer clothes, you look fucking cool. It's the coolest thing in the world you go on. You're like, I was like, what the fuck you dressed like that? You look like fucking asshole. And you're like, oh, right. That's kind of the thing about it too. So, you know, Warhammer, it's like, there's too many fucking rules. They're constantly changing it. Super expensive. It takes forever to play. The game has barely gotten better. And like 30 fucking years. The D&D is a better game. The best game there is. D&D is my number one, actually. I play D&D every week. I play D&D every week. I'm a Dungeon Master. I've had the same group for over a decade. Wow. But I've played D&D since I was a little kid also. D&D is the best. You can play D&D with $30 and never spend another dollar again. Right. But, you know, I buy, I like to have some terrain and miniatures. But even so, you could play without those. You don't need them. You just need some dice. So you also want to have the miniatures for D&D. I do. Okay. Those are a million times cheaper. Okay. Because the Warhammer, they mark up these pieces of plastic. This is much plastic. If it's a hero is $60. It's about two and a half cents of plastic. Right. So that's why this 3D printing revolution is madness. People are like, they're not as good, but they're like pretty fucking close. People print in the wild as shit, you know, or these giant plastic things that would cost you what? Which do you have a certain store you go to? Like, you know, you go to a fire and dice or you go to a... Well, when I play D&D, it's at home. Any Warhammer shit. I've never gone to a store and played Warhammer in LA. But where do you buy your Warhammer stuff online? So I buy everything from the store in Oklahoma called Wizards Asylum. And I'm like on there, I'm like on there like, cool, I'll be like, you'll put me down for like the new, you know, death company pack. Yep. Are there limited rare things? It's also really annoying that Warhammer, this company, they started, they did everything. These like limited runs, like the stuff that everybody wants. They'll just put X amount of cells on a day, like designer clothes or Supreme. And then it goes up. And then it's just infuriating. So there's already overpriced plastic. That's literally plastic. Like it's, you can't even pretend it's not even heavier than normal plastic. This is absurd price. And then it's like sold out. And now I'm on eBay like, well, I got to get my, I had to do that with that. I kind of, I was like, I wasn't going to buy it. I'm like, I should have bought it. And then I'm like, so I bought like a recent thing. I paid a huge mark. And you pay, paint it yourself? No, this is my dream come true. I've gotten this place in my life where, this is my fantasy is when I was a kid in high school. I have my fan, I have a fan who paints it. I just pay him and he paints it. Oh, wow. Yeah. So I send the box to him. He paints, he sends it to me. This is wonderful. My, my, my army is just beautiful, resplendent, perfect. Yeah. And again, I give notes, you know, like thing, like style guide. If I want, I got them second edition, blood angels, army, just beautiful. Would you say your collection's like worth something? Yeah. There is a resale market, but it doesn't go up like, it's always worth something, you know, because it has inherent value and people want it. Um, but yeah, it is, but yeah, it has value. But I don't know if it's like, create doesn't constantly go up, you know, the best way to actually get Warhammer is you can, some guy will have some crisis in his life and he'll be selling this whole army or it's an old army that's like outdated and you can buy it for like pennies on the dollar. It's still, it's still expensive for what it is, but it's so much cheaper. So my buddy started, once he started making money, he started doing that. And so all the armies we wanted as kids, he just has this room of like all of them, like all the armies on shelves because they're like, he could get these whole collections for cheap. Yeah. But then, you know, you're the, they're always changing the rules. The new models are always super cool. Sure. I was buying the new stuff. That's cool. So it's a terrible hobby to get into is what I'm saying. Don't, don't do it. I never got into magic, but I, I have some cards because I collect cards and I've always thought the magic cards were pretty cool. I thought I was like an OG kind of, uh, for the game space. I mean, Yu-Gi-Oh is obviously Pokemon is top. But one piece is like the shit that I'm really all about since they started the game. TCG, uh, for one piece started in 22. Yeah. And that's nice. It's new. It's new. And the game is really good. Like it's like the most played game right now. Because the game is like super easy to play. It's fast. That's good. And like, and the cards are cool. So like the best game is sellers looks tan. What is it? Sellers look a tan. What's that? It's just a board. It's the most popular board game. It's the most, it's hugely popular. It's mainstream. Oh wow. I didn't know it. I was saying, I could teach you in one game and you'd be perfect. And we can play, we can play all night and I, someone else could show up and I could teach them, we could play all night and anyone who they ever know, their level of nerdy could be here to here. And then anyone could be a get into it. Super fun. Yeah. And I go on TikTok and watch like, well, I also collect the cards, which I'm more into, but I like the game. I'm building a deck right now. It's just nerdy, right? But like it's cool. It's cool because the cards have gained really like competitive value with like Pokemon, which is cool to see because not many. Well, then can you like not play with them? You have to put them in like some pros and cons. You can't play with the ones you want to like keep, like the rare cards, you don't want to play with those. Yeah. Yeah. Because if you hit a manga or you hit one of the cards, that's super rare. They're actually worth like, there's one that's worth like 20 grand now. And it's only two years old, like two year old, like game set and they bring, they bring every three months a new edition comes out, like this set, that set. And like it's really cool how they've done it. But art on the one piece cards is better. I think it's better than Pokemon and the quality of the cards is better than Pokemon. It's like when you were a kid, you could have bought a black Lotus for like a hundred bucks. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy. Are you in the Pokemon at all? Pokemon? No. That was a little, that was like, was it wasn't my time I think. Oh, but funny enough on this subject, and my buddy, I acted in his film and it's about like people, like a black market of trading these like rare trading cards. He made a fictionalized version for like millions of dollars. Right. And it's like, you know, like intrigue and stuff like that. And I play a dickish store owner. Right. The card game. Yeah. Card store owner, but yeah. Yeah. But I like the culture of all of it because it's a very physical. Yeah. So you can go on TikTok and watch things and that's fun. But then you can actually go to card shops and there's like other people who care about it or card shows. I think the why these games have exploded in recent times is because people want to be off the fucking screen and have face to face time. And some magic, D&D and you know, Warhammer. I got to be in a room with you. Yeah. It's just great. Exactly. Anything that's not on the screen. Yeah. Which is the same with music. Now the main thing we do. Rockflation. Yeah. Everyone is like, they're playing what? How many nights in the forum? What the fuck happened? Like, you know, bands are, my chemical romance is like two, 300 times because when they were on MTV, like it's like shocking. Like bigger than they've ever been. It's been eight or so. What was it like five nights at the forum? And they did two nights by my house at Dodger Stadium. Now they just announced two Hollywood bowls. This is all like two years. How many fucking tickets is that? That's a lot of tickets. Yeah. I also think that my Cam, when it was all happening at the time, I think it's a little overwhelming. And it was at the time I remember that feeling of like that time. But I also think that like a lot of bands misinterpreted the change over from physical and MP3s to streaming. There was like a five year changeover period where everything just felt like it died. Yeah. And that was right on the tail end of that era. And I think a lot of bands interpreted that as like, oh, we're done. And it felt like the world as they knew it was upside down and everyone was telling them, do this, do that. And it was like just a big chaotic time of like, of like a kind of dark time. And I think that looking back now had someone just explained like, no, no, the way people are listening to music is changing over and the metrics aren't even, we can't even track it right now. Yeah. Yeah. We don't even know how good or bad you're doing. Just ride it out. And I think there was that period where a lot of bands just got like turned around. They were also under the microscope all the time. And I think that like us too, I think like we didn't come here to be the coolest or this or that. We just wanted to be in a band and make music and make friends and have fun and like live our dream and do the thing. Well, like thinking back down the stakes are so high, you know, like every appearance you make, you know, like it's the now it's just like this endless slop of shit. Streams of content just like you. But the thought of like you make a TV appearance and like you'd fuck up or you're like, or you said something stupid. Right. It's like, it's true. Blue it. You're done. Yeah. It's like, fuck. And everything was like that. Everything was so high stakes. Yeah. It's true. That's a good point. So now I think they're receiving the love that maybe they couldn't receive back then in a way that like I think is really good. I just feel like it couldn't happen to better guys and they are bigger. I mean, but it also that's a testament to the songs. They just they lived and lived and lived and lived. And so the generation start to there's a new generation that knows their music and that generation. And I think there's something about the time of the music was was that good and strong and it's been amazing to watch. Yeah. My theory is the kids are like just dying for the connection or something. And they're just like, I need to get it. Or you know, the thing like, especially with like hardcore bands exploding and like dress out and like knock lists, like kids are on tech talk and they're like, they just don't know what a mosh pit is. And like, you can do that. Like I am so full of fucking impotent rage that I don't understand. Like I want to do that. Oh yeah. Let me jump on something. I don't even, you know, these fucking these kids are fucked up. It's true. They really are. But they were in the 90s. Yeah. But you would just go outside and just fucking teepee a house or like some crazy shit. Yeah. They are pinned up now. All you felt like you're fucking crazy and you just go out and do something. And then you go to a show and I think a lot of kids that have been on the computer their whole life and they're just like, they have this feeling they don't know how to express it. You know, so if you give them an answer like, hey, you know, like, oh fuck. And that's always been, you know, kids, when you go to show as a kid, it's life changing. It's life affirming, you know, it's what you that said juice you've been looking for. Like once you used to experience it, that's how I'll be going to shows constantly. Just get that juice just to feel it. You know, yeah, it's there's nothing like it. Nothing like it. Yeah. That's why everyone wants to. It's still popular, you know, it doesn't get old and like it doesn't have to be big. It can be like it's actually better or small. You see some shitty punk band in some basement. So your dick off. It's amazing. It'll change your life. You know, yeah, actually it's better. Like if you go to a giant arena show, I don't like arena show. Did you just say it all? What your dick off? Yeah, it will. It will. That's right. That's just that's a saying. It's a saying in like in like cooking, like if you move meals like chefs, they use this term. If like a meal is really good, they'll be like, I'll blew my dick off. Oh yeah. I love it. So I like use that for a bit. Yeah. Do you cook? Yeah. I love to cook. Okay. So if I make some really good and I'm not a chef, I like to cook. Yeah. I was kind of like I was cooking on the way here and I was like, I did not budget my time correct. Oh, that's all right. Yeah. But yeah, I do. What'd you make? Kind of boring. Let's make a chicken noodle soup. Oh, that's great. Yeah. But I like cold weather. I make soups. I like to make soups for fun. Yeah. I think you're right. I think we live in a time where everybody's glued to their phone and they forget what like doing something feels like. Yeah. And then they go to a show for the first time from that perspective, coming to a live show. They're like, holy shit, there's people on stage all playing different instruments and together it sounds like this and it's loud and they're all jumping around screaming with it. Oh my God, my mind's blown. Totally. Well, also think about like this. If you in the 90s and you're like you just had like a television that was just constantly showing you like weird crap, it's like back then you'd be with your friends and like you just throw a bottle and like against the wall. You're gonna go like, yeah. Like that was it. It's like the bar of excitement was so different. Let's go throw rocks at windows of that abandoned house. Exactly. That's what would happen. Yeah. You just do that. Yeah. Let's do it. And that was the day. That was it. All day. And then you'd run from someone that caught you. Yeah. Yeah. Or they call the call dude. It was like it was be fucking epic. And like that's more of the range instead of it's like. Simpli times. Politics. I'm like geopolitical, whatever, like a hundred slides. I mean like, huh, I'm kind of fat. You know, like, I don't know. It's terrible. Like, just bad for your brain. It's pretty bad. Yeah. It's pretty bad. It's brain rot. It is brain rot. Yeah. When did you start in bands? I did. I had a well, I had a band in high school that was not very serious. We played battle the bands at lunch. And then I left school and I went to, I moved to LA immediately. And I was in this film. There's really fly by night bullshit film school. And then I was working in television. I didn't go to college. So I was working in television. I was like 19 and 20. And I was like, this is busting my ass. And I'm like, I could, and I see some guys who are like 10 years old than me. And like, they're pretty bitter. And I'm like, this could easily be me. I might, I might just be like working crew 10 years and be fucking pissed. And there's all this exciting, cool music going on around the smell. And I grew up going to the Czech F.A. And I really want to be a part of it somehow. So I'm like, all right, maybe I should try and get into a band, you know? And then I thought I would, something I'd do for a really short time. Like I was always like a Jim Jarmusch. Like he had his post-bunk band, Del Byzantines, then he became Jim Jarmusch. So I'm like, I'll always have a cool band be part of the scene, but out of seven inches going on tour. That was my kind of dream. And then we started having a little bit of success. And I was like, oh, it's pretty rare to have any success. I don't know if I should give this up so much. And then you kind of get addicted in the gang in the near. You're like, what if we just get the next venue? What do we get next venue? And then now I'm here and it's too late. And was that, that was health from the start? Yeah. Yeah. I never had any other bands. So I've only been one serious band. Yeah. That's cool. I'm going to say I started my band when I was 15. Yeah. But I know those guys were like, they're in like 10 hardcore bands. Right. And then like the, you know, the 11th one becomes or whatever, you know? It's interesting too, because I would say you guys to me are in the rock world. There's something inherently punk about what you guys do, but you lean in that like darker, progressive kind of, it's interesting. But I know I can hear like people who grew up around all of the like hardcore punk. Yeah. It's in there, you know what I mean? I mean, I didn't, okay. I didn't really care about music until I was about like, I don't know, 12 or 13. I had an older friend of two years older and he sent me a cassette tape and I had dead Kennedys on one side and Sonic Youth the other. And I didn't like get this on a youth side yet. I got into it later, but like I put on the dead Kennedys side and I was like a good like eight minutes in. I'm like, I feel like I want to fucking break a window like crazy. And I'm like, what is this? I'm like, well, that's music. And it's like, I'd heard music and I liked it, but I didn't care. And then I'm like, well, I really want to get into this. So I got really into like all those punk bands got into Black Flag and stuff like that. And then from there, just kept going. And then, you know, they started hitting, then the internet starts hitting around and then you become a fucking PhD in rock and roll pretty fast. Right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Growing up around in California, you probably got to go to a lot of great shows too. You know, California is kind of a, well, it depends. San Diego is a mix back. Cause they didn't have like a lot of venues and then the, a lot of bands I really want to see that were older or 21 ups you couldn't see. But when I really started enjoying shows, it took me a long time to actually go to shows because I was like, your parents drop you off. How the fuck? Yeah. They're like all these logistics. So I didn't really get to go to start going to shows to like sophomore, junior year of high school, but then, and then when we discovered Chaycafe, that was the coolest, right? I saw the cool ass DIY insane. Oh, shows that are cheap. They were always amazing or just really crazy. Yeah. The weird stuff. That's why I loved, but my first concert that I actually went to is fucking fish. Well, wow. I didn't like fish. We just knew we could buy drugs. Right. Yeah. That's what we're like. Right. And we did. Yeah. We see it looking back hilarious because we're clearly like underage kids like trying to buy drugs and like, sure, here you go. Yeah. Like it's really funny. Yeah. Like if I think how young like a, like a teen looks and you're like selling them drugs, it's really fun. They're there to make money. Yeah. You were there to buy. Yeah. And you were smart to say, well, maybe at the fish concert. Yeah. It was amazing. But then I fucked up. So you light some later time. We're like, dude, that's so fun to fish. Transtosy was playing, but it was at like the Cox, whatever arena, like totally normal, like the less thing. There was no park. In San Diego. Yeah. In San Diego. And we couldn't find any drug guys. And then I'm just sitting there. I'm like, this is the worst music I've ever seen in my life. I was so bummed. Yeah. And that was my only flirtation with the jam bands. Yeah. I never really. I never really got into jam bands. But I get it. Well, when you're on the, when you're, you know, Truman, you're like, this is fucking brilliant. Like it was like this incredible experience and you got the CD and you're like, that's what I was listening to. Yeah. And like you could remember, like if you say, like, what the fuck? Right. Yeah. Mm hmm. Yeah. I think it's a drug thing. Definitely. Get high. Oh yeah. And the jams are just going and you're like. Amazing. Amazing. I mean, you could fucking. It's a weed thing, I think. Smoke weed and. Yeah. And you get fucked up. You can play the ball on a cop. It's fucking incredible. Yeah. That's what that's what I draw to so popular. Yeah. They were, you know. Yeah. They too, they do work for that. How long has health been a band? Oh, fucking Christ. 20 years. 20 years. Holy shit. 20 years this year or something. Yeah. Way too long, you know, to be like in a band. You think so? Well, well, it depends. I guess I do love the success. I'd say like, there's a very, there's very many logical end points when we should have quit. And we did it. Yeah. And it really should have. So, but yeah, here we are. Yeah. But people really like you guys. Yeah, they do. We're happy. I'm happy to, you know, because like once you get the lifestyle, you don't want to end, you know, even though you're getting older. But yeah, but you know, this Christ 20 years is a 20 years is like 1980 to 2000. Yeah. 96, 1980, you know, yours like. I don't ever think about that, but you're right. It's like 20 years. Okay. 2005. Yeah. When I, when you say 2005 to me, my first reaction is that that was a long time ago, because I was there. But then when I stopped and I go, Oh, that was 20 fucking years ago. It's both though, because even though, yeah, and the 2000s fashion is coming back and it does look dated, it's just like, I don't know. Or maybe it was always like this. And that's why all the people are just like, Oh my God, it's been 20 years because like, you basically don't feel that different. Yeah. And it's like, yeah, you still. All the car looks different. Yeah. Like, I guess the phone came, the phone came out. There's our top points in time where life has really changed noticeably. But like, I'm still in LA and I go to the same places and like, there's like four new buildings. Like I'm still like, dude, dude, dude, dude. Like, Oh wait, I'm fucking old. What the fuck's going on? Right. 20 years of me going past the same place and like getting a fucking fob bowl or whatever. Yeah. Or like, I went, I was, we were on tour. We were in Edinburgh on the day off and I went in there and I'm like, Oh, it's a big potato shop. Mike, you guys been around for a long time. They're like, yeah. I'm like, I ate here when I was, you know, 18. Yeah. A big potato here. Jesus Christ. Yeah. It's like 20 years. You still have it. Still got the big potato. Oh, that's great. What would you say in 20 years of being in health? I mean, 20 years in a career is kind of, if you look at bands and you, you'd be hard pressed to find a ton of bands that have stayed together for 20 years. Yeah. Where would you say the function of the band and why that's possible is what is that? Is it that you, or I guess I don't need to present ideas of why it would be. But I would say like, do you guys get along? You collaborate well together, obviously. You make good music. So what keeps a band together for 20 years? Don't know. I think we avoid true conflict. I think we're all kind of lifers. We're just sort of like, yeah, I'm doing this. I think most people are like, what the fuck am I doing? Rightfully. So hard to say. I don't know what the chemistry of bands are, but when you talk to other people, like, you know, it's, it's a good strange. Some bands hate each other. Oh, they really hate each other. Which is weird to me. You started something and you loved it and you loved each other and you were excited and then you get what you wanted and then you hate each other. Or like, you know, like, well, obviously it was just their brothers, but it's like, it's really funny that they arrived separately in the Tixucaris and some of those hilarious, but yeah, tons of bands hate each other, which I totally understand. If things work that differently, I think just the way stuff has worked out. We get along well enough. Yeah. You know, we still want to do it. We still want to do it. You know, how about that? Yeah. Yeah, we're still really enjoying it. No one is like, I can see when I see other bands, and how their dynamics work. It's like, oh, I would be going crazy. And I could totally see myself like screaming at the guy on the phone. Yeah. We just don't have that sort of makeup on. That's that's nice. Yeah. Or like the band, I've seen like a band's getting huge and the singer's just like, yeah, I don't want to tour. And you're like, bro, what are you doing? Talks. Stuff like that. Yeah. Yeah. When everybody else wants to tour. Yeah. Or they're like, I'm broke. Let's go. Like you'd be going crazy. You know, something like that. Right. Yeah. Right. It's funny how that works, isn't it? Yeah. The dynamics of bands is sometimes they just don't know how to work shit out. You know, they're just like, it's weird. You could have artists that are so in tune and can write these great songs and express themselves artistically, but then can't emotionally function in a relationship to save their life. Yeah. I mean, like most musicians are just fucking weirdos. That's what's so funny. I think now with like social media, it's like, oh, you got to make all this content. It's like, man, most bands I like. The guy just can't even, he's a freaking weirdo. And like, it's terrible to talk to. The only place he fits is on stage. Yeah. Like he's just a weirdo. Let him be a weirdo. That's how it works. You know, they can get us this great record or they'll be like, oh, you listen to this guy, blah, blah, blah. I'm like, yeah, he's insane. That the right is great. He's right. It's insane music because he's an insane person. I don't have to deal with him. You know. Yeah. It's true. I think that the downside, there's some upside, but the downside of the modern kind of world we live in where, where everyone has to make content and you're supposed to do this, you're supposed to do that is out of that comes, I think it's demystified some of the, Oh, usually, you know, like the idea that you can be Jim Morrison on tech talk. Right. Yeah. Exactly. Exactly. You just found your new favorite. Like it's over. It's no rock God. He's no lizard king is done. Exactly. And I think that that some of that's really good for like the humanization of like, like to me, it's these idols where you're like, no, no, it's just a guy. Yeah. Put his pants on this morning and he came to the venue and he's on stage now and he's performing and then he's going to go eat pizza at backstage. You know what I mean? Yeah. Like there is some demystifying that has to happen, I think, so that we don't worship each other. And then some of that is fun and necessary to enjoy the art. So there is like good or bad. I don't know. But where I go is like, I see large groups of people following one person under the flag of a religion or politics or this or that. And I go like, I'm out. You know what I mean? Like I don't want to like I and I think it's not that fandom shouldn't exist. But like there's, I think there's some world where we have to like realistically, it's like, no, no, that's a person. They're just another human being and they write good songs. Yeah. And there's levels of like tone it down a little bit. But I understand how fun it is to be a fan of something. So there's also just enjoyment, which is important. Yeah. But the modern world of content and stuff does kind of demystify a lot, which I like. You don't even need the content. You just know that whoever it is is just checking their phone the whole time. You don't even need the video for that. And the comedy is this is also funny for people not to tell people this, but like, if you want to hurt some musicians' feelings, leave those hater comments. They're totally going to read them. You can read all of them. And even a huge musician, they're like, oh, it's going to fuck up their day. So like if you hate them, just go, I mean, don't, I don't think you should do it. But if you really want to fuck with them, you can. Like it works. It fucking works. They're going to read every single one. It cuts through. It cuts through. Like the rich guy, like I had like 10 cars, he's just like, like it's totally going to fucking shit up. Well, well, that's what you're nailing it. That's where you see if you're smart enough and you're aware enough and you're out of your own way. You can see right through stuff because you can see who's checking their phone all the time by what they're doing and how obsessed they are with their little bubble they're living in, where they read their comments and they're interacting with it and stuff. I'm with you. I'm not criticizing it. I'm saying you can see it. And it's a lifestyle choice. Yeah. Right. Like we, everyone, well, everyone's checking the numbers just about. Maybe there's some older artists who like were able to keep it like or have something, but it's pretty hard to, like I was just, you know, the, the, the temptation of it. You're like, oh, how's the new song doing? Yeah. What are people saying? Of course. You didn't like it? Yeah. And then like, oh, everyone likes it. Oh, this one guy. But it cuts through. It does. It's weird how like we are now in a world where anyone can say anything to anyone. Yeah. It's very odd. This little device. Yeah. It's very odd. I'm not, obviously, I'm not encouraging people to do that. You will hurt their feelings. We're just explaining the facts. Yeah. Yeah. Because I read all the comments. Yeah. I read them on the way here. You did? Oh, yeah. Any good ones? Yeah. Any bad ones? Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Actually, we're at this point where I want to see more bad comments because the more, if you're getting more and more negative comments, that means your content or whatever your music is being shown. I hate saying that. I feel stupid to say that. Your music is being shown to more people who don't want to see you. So if I'm reading not some comments like, get this fucking guy off my phone. These guys suck. I hate that one. It's hard to see in this asshole. I'm like, oh, that'd be music to my ears. So like every time I read a negative comment, like, oh, we're reaching new audience. This is showing up in people's feeds that didn't want it. And that's amazing. Yeah. So like, yeah, we had comments or like Ozzy didn't die for this. And I'm like, I want to hate her comments at this point. Yeah. Yeah. It's entertaining for you. Not entertaining. It just means it's the promotion is working. I mean, like, you know, you guys managing bands. Press is brutal now. You can't even get in front of anyone's face. Yeah. Everyone's like, why are you guys releasing so many singles? It's like, because no one knows what I'm like wrinkling a bell. We had to build a whole fucking show. Yeah. To create music press because there's no fucking music press. And people are starving for it and we want music press or anything. Like, we need a way to break new bands. Yes. People want a place to go to find out new bands. These fucking social media jagoffs have like created to destroy it. You know, they've destroyed. They've destroyed what used to be a really exciting. It was great. It's a culture of it. There's like a discovery of music where these platforms, you know, back in the day, music magazines mattered because you'd discover bands and you'd be like, oh my god, that's cool. And you'd go and you'd look for the CD and you would have this fun process of discovery. Oh yeah. That's why I like, you know, everyone's like, oh, fuck Chris. Like, I love critics. I like that. I like that there was powerful critics, not too powerful. But like, you know, I love a Fantano because Fantano can break a new band. Someone's got to have power. Someone's got to have some kind of cloud. There has to be a magazine like this was in Rolling Stone, whatever. People are dying to find out about music. Yeah. How do the healthy music conversation where people are culture? Yeah, it's culture. Instead, it's like, hey, because I watch all this stuff, they'll be like, hey, new artists. Okay. Why don't you upload a hundred videos of your new song dancing and like use these shitty jokes that everyone's going to fucking use. And it's like the least cool thing I can imagine. Dude, this challenge now, that challenge. Now this challenge. Oh, check out my new song. Well, I'm like, wow, this guy's a fucking rock star. Can't wait to really want to see it. Hey, follow this guy. Like what the fuck? It's like, yeah, it's terrible. And like any other just to use these fucking apps more. It's very dystopian. That's actually one of the reasons I started this show three years ago now was there's no music shows that are actually. I do a theory about that. Musicians are really bad on the mic because they're just fucking weird people, which makes them terrible to be social media people because good musicians are fucking weirdos. But sometimes that awkward or that unrehearsed nature of musicians, I think it makes for great. Like it's interesting to watch. It's interesting to watch the guy behind the music unrehearsed in a conversation. But the problem with modern content, right? We call it now content. It's not interviews. It's just. Oh, it's already interrupt. Okay, there's this great documentary about the internet and tech on wash over my machines of love and grace and it'll blow your mind because I've rewatched it. I think it's a quote from like Bill Gates or something. Just like before the internet even comes out. He's just like, after this comes out, all entertainment, everything will just become content. I'm like, fuck, they knew it back then. It was already part of the, it was already the writing. And I was like, Jesus, anyway, sorry. Dude, it's all the future. Check out the movie. It's great. But it's become this rehearsed content and it's no longer humans having a conversation and just like letting everyone in on it. It's like a weird like press. Rehearsed. Yeah, it's a politician. Right. Yeah. And so we need to hit this mark or this moment or this thing. Yeah. Yeah. And what I like about doing this show is every conversation is a little different, but none of it's rehearsed. I don't really prepare. No, it's just great if you can, anyone to find out about a band and like it or whatever music is a natural. You go, I like that guy. And then they go and check it out. And then they go, oh, that's real discovery. Yeah. And it's actually happening. But no, it's great. I'm glad someone's on it. There, there has, there has to be a correct answer. And it's really bizarre and such a weird moment that it doesn't exist. So let's gotta figure it out. That was gotta figure it out. You know what I mean? Well, you got a huge team here. You got all the resources. Yeah. We got all, all the folks. Get cracking. Yeah. What's up with health? Check out our new album, which has been out for a while. So the album came out a month ago. I came out a month ago. Almost a month ago. Almost a month ago. Okay. Oh yeah. How does it feel? Amazing. Good. One month out. Woo. But how do you feel about this album? Great. This album is very much like, it's very much a response to these shows you're playing. We play these huge metal festivals. You got these huge opening slots. These are all these big places where it's like, you know, we're in between these extreme metal bands or like, like every fucking song and you're just like, now we need some more firepower, you know? And then, then these shows like you want big hooks. And so it's kind of like responding to it. And it's, that's been kind of cool. Faster tempos. So we're calling, you know, we call it DLC. It's like the galvan ring. You're like adding weapon, you know, shout out to the Eritrean, you're adding weapon types. You're adding all this new shit. Right. A little more D&D into the morning. A little D&D. It's a, it's a, you know, see the expanded campaign for levels 10 and up or whatever. You know, going higher. Yeah. Plainscape. Is it fun? Very fun. Cool. It's not old for me. Never gets old. Yeah. Love doing it. I think it's true because every, every band reform, like people are just dying to do it. Famous actors or whatever, they still want to make some shitty band. People want it. It's the greatest job ever. Come on. This is great. The juice. Nothing feels like it. Nothing feels like playing the show. There's nothing like it. Nothing like it. The one thing that never changes is when you go on stage and your guys are all playing together and it's good. It's really fucking good. The crowd is hot. You know, that's like, that's, that's the juice. No feeling like it. Nothing like it. You know why? You know, like you could write like the greatest book I've read. I don't know, like fucking boring piece. Yeah. It's a masterpiece, but everybody just reads it at home. But like, you don't get to like go on a stage and just like keep showing it to people. Yeah. They're like, yeah, you remember that thing and he's every single time. Yeah. The next 20 years is like the same song and people just like, yeah, buddy. Yeah. And then the movie when it plays, you're not up there and people just keep yelling for you. So there's just the constant juice. Yeah. Yeah. It's pretty great. It's amazing. Congratulations though. Health man, 20 years is, is, is just hard to do. How many records now? Hard or easy. Well, you could, I don't know. It's debatable. It's, is it five records or six? I thought of this album as 5.5 because you're putting together to make a double album. Right. And that's why you're using the DLC language, but we don't want to go lean to into it because it's like we've wrote on the material. It's a fucking album. This could easily be the hell six album. Right. I don't know. Also, we have like so many remix albums and collab albums. Yeah. You guys have collab. So you could, I like this. It's up for debate, which album this is. But yeah. What's the work process like the creative process? We don't have a formula like Jake has demos sometimes. Sometimes I have demos. A lot of times I'm just like the idea guy where I'm like, we need to do this. And then I did you any work? I'm like, no, figure it out. You know? Yeah. And then, and then we work obviously we work with the producer. We work with, sometimes we've had people come in, obviously collabs work with other bands. So we're extremely, I think it was the secret of being a Leban long time. Health is very heteroflexible. Right. A little bit of both sides. Yeah. All the different sides. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Mm-hmm. There's a way of looking at it. Do you have favorite bands to collaborate with? I mean, I can't really beat Nine of Snails, but they've all been great. I mean, there's tons of artists I love and we we're going to do that again. We're going to rev up disco five. We're going to do everyone under the sun. We're going to hit up everyone because it's surprising people say yes often. Yeah. Bands like you guys. So yeah. And it's cool. I think for us, it's like it's kind of take the load off. Like when we make our own music, we're like, is this terrible? Do we suck? Were you done? You know, but like with the collab, it's like, well, they wrote half of it. What am I going to do? I can't tell it. I love this guy. I can't tell him to change it. We're just going to roll with him. Like that's the song. It does kind of feel cool when you do collabs and the pressures off. Totally. And it's like that the collab we were so precious before it really changed our mindset to loosen up like that. Like I can't do a collab with someone else. You know, as a kid, I really didn't even like it where like if a rock album had a feature, I'm like feature. It's not that bad. What are you doing? You know, so it's like it's kind of it was alien. But now I like it segmented on these collab albums and it's really fun to do. And so it's always artists I really love. Like I'm like, they said yes. Like really? Oh, yeah, let's definitely do that. Yeah. It's a compliment when someone. Yeah. And it's like this weird math problem. I was like, I'm like, all right, how's it going to work? You're like, then you like kind of do a pitch, you know? Yeah. I'm very grateful. Very happy. This is, you know, we're, I'd expect you doing this long and we're doing, it's amazing to do shows like this where we have all the production, all the big boy, all the fun stuff. And for a fan, this is as good as it gets in terms of going to a show, a show bigger than like 4,000, 5,000, max about 6,000 for a fan is as good as it gets. Right. Because it just gets shittier and shittier. For the artist, it gets cooler and cooler. An artist playing to 20,000, 100,000 people is amazing. But for the fan, it sucks ass. It's further and further. Yeah. Further, further away, paying for this thing, it sounds worse and worse. It's just shittier and shittier and shittier. But if you see a band you love and see them in a 1,000, you don't want to, better than it's not too small. 1,000, 4,000, maybe 1,000, 6,000, we'll say that zone. That's the sweet spot. Sweet spot. So as a fan, this is, this is, this is as good as it gets. And yeah, those are great. The big lights, we're going to have the great sound. We're going to have it all. That's cool. So in terms of what I've loved about music and got to experience music growing up, it's like, it feels great. You know? What was the band that you would say like changed your life? So the show that changed my life was, was right next to my house is the team center, the epicenter in San Diego. It was the Locusts, oops, the tour. The Locusts, Airborne Radar, Lightning Bolt, Blood Brothers, Harkinon on one bill for like eight bucks. And, and this is how old I am. I had the time I was working at Blockbuster Video. And, and so, and I had been scheduled to, they have to do this overnight thing where you have to scan every single piece. So you work from like midnight to six a.m. Just scanning the things. Yeah. Like the worst gig ever. So I went to the show and I was just in the pit covered in sweat. And it was like the most life-changing show in the world. And before that, I'd love music, but I'm like, I'm not going to make a band. There's no money music. I'd be stupid to have a show. I'm like, I'm making a band like as soon as I can. So I went to that show and I'm covered in sweat, put on my blockbuster uniform, run to the place. I'm late and I'm covered in sweat. And I'm like, oh, sorry, over slept. And she's like, John, thank Christ. She's like, everyone just quits this job when this gig comes up. Just come right in. I don't give a fuck. It's amazing. So then I, and then I was like, you got to keep your job and go to the show. Yeah, I did. How long did you work at Blockbuster? I think it's not graduate high school. Oh, wow. Yeah. And they're like, do you want to transfer to LA? I'm like, fuck no. So you know a lot about movies. Yeah. Yeah. I was a, yeah, a lot of, a lot about stalking movies. Worked a lot of retail. I worked a lot of retail too. I worked it up. I never worked in a restaurant. Not once. I did. Yeah. And waited tables. I did dishes, waited tables. That's great. Did all that. I worked at Borders Books and Music, which became Bonds and Nobles. I think they bought them or something. Yeah. Yeah. And I was in the stock. I unloaded the trucks and sorted the books and put them on the shelves. Nice. It sucked. That job sucked. I hated that job. Yeah. They were harsh. That job particularly. Oh, actually this is funny. I met Jake. I worked at Guitar Center. I was working in television. Oh, wow. I also worked at Guitar Center. That's where we met. In Hollywood? Hollywood. Oh, that's a good one. Oh. I'm not a good job. Not a good job. Yeah. No, that's terrible. That's like the marquee Guitar Center. It's the one. No, they played all these mind games with you. They'd use it against you. Oh, wow. They'd be like, you're part of the music industry right now. And they're like, you want to make it a music? You got to make it here. Because we're in the music industry. I'm like, we're not in the music industry. I'm selling fucking strings. It's got nothing to do with writing a song. What the fuck are you talking about, dude? And so Jake worked there a short time because he was terrible salesman. He just hated it. But the boss thought he was so cool. He just let him skate by. And Jake would just like try and sleep in the stock closet. Is that where you guys met? We met. I was the top salesman. I killed it at that shit. And I was playing like Chinese stars or some wacky ass music. And he came up to me and he was like, you're like the only guy here's not a douchebag. Like, do you want to be in a band? Like you play bass, right? I'm like, yeah, he's like, you want to play the bass? Like, yeah, let's do this. So there was a reason you there was like a the cosmic reason you got that job at Guitar Center. Perhaps. My cosmic reason was A, I was between things. And I was like, I really needed a job. And B, I was like, I need to buy I want to buy this year. But that's where you mentioned it is. So or it's yeah, it's how everything in life is a mistake. You just you just fall into it. Domino's falling since the Big Bang. There's no free will and something's just something's going to happen. So these dice rolls. I agree. I think the discovery of why happens later. And so when we're in a situation where we go, why am I here? I hate this place or it doesn't mean stay, right? But it also means like, well, life brought me here for some reason. And maybe I'll figure out why later. And with the job you had a Guitar Center, the whole point was that you would meet your collaborator and start a band that's now 20 years in and perhaps and oh no, not perhaps. Okay. I'm telling you. Okay, I'll take it. I'll take it. It has to. What was the other reason? That's true. I don't know. Where else would you have met? I don't know. Nowhere. Who knows? Who knows? Who knows? Maybe. You're all the day, you know, the butterfly effect. Just maybe. Roll the dice differently. I love that. I see. I imagine it as like dice rolls because I love D&D, but more and more I'm seeing life as you know, it's game Bellatro. You like Bellatro? No. Okay. You got to get this game. Well, maybe you should. It's a huge, it'll huge time suck. But I love this game Bellatro. It's like Solitaire poker. It's really genius. Okay. And it has all these jokers. It's amazing. It's a roguelike deck builder and you play it on, you can play it on your phone. Okay. Just scary. I don't put on your phone. I keep it on the computer. It's so addicting. I play it on an airplane. Like we're flying. I'll listen to some bullshit and just play it for like 10 hours. But anyway, your whole life is like Bellatro. It's a seeded run. You know, there's only so much you can do. You play so many different ways and you only have so many cards, but the seed of how that deck is organized and what jokers are going to show up, we're going to change your life like that set. So your whole life is a Bellatro seeded run. You have some choices, but the overall choice is it's not. You don't have it. So your life is determined for you. And you get these little card plays, these little dice rolls in those moments. And maybe those could have gone differently. I'm not sure. I'm not really sure about the science of all this, but you know, the whole free will, she has that's all I can imagine it anyway, because I like, I like games. I kind of agree with you. Yeah. I think we're on the same page. I mean, I could be totally wrong. But anyway, for me, that works. But either or regardless of how it works, it only goes one way anyway. So what it is, what it is, whatever happens, happens. I think so. I think we're all a little wrong and a little right. And in the middle, there's like some truths. And your, what you're saying is like a truth. Yeah. Like the predetermined is something, there's something to that. Oh yeah, totally. It's such a kind guy. I like smoke a joint put on some health and ponder. Yeah, yeah. Congratulations, Ben. Yeah, I appreciate it. Thank you guys. Thanks for coming. Thank you. Thank you for watching Artist Friendly. If you liked this episode, please make sure you hit the like button. You follow the channel and please share it with your friends. We appreciate the support. That is why this show exists because you listen to it. Thank you guys. We'll see you next time.