Fuel, Function, and Fitness | Metabolic Health with Sally Macklin

Good morning, dual coast family. Hope everybody's doing well this morning. We have a very special episode this morning joined by our special guest right there, Sally Macklin, Metabolic health coach, as well as my co-host over there on the West Coast as well, Ross Rogers. How are you guys doing this morning? Good. Sally, how are you? I'm great, Russ. Good. It's awesome to be up and out here on my back porch here. 630 in the morning, the sun is coming up, light rain falling, but it'll be fine. I noticed when Dan asked the question that your rooster responded as well in the background. Yes. Yes, we were talking about that. Your listeners may be hearing in the background, if you're wondering what is that, really weird noise, it's my rooster. He's up. He's doing his job. Hopefully, he won't be too- There he is. I don't hear. I don't hear. Yes. Maybe if people are listening live, it's going to help them wake up to the rooster growing. I love it. Very organic, very natural. I'm working on that too. Yes. Welcome to dual coast. We're excited to have you. It's great being here together. We know that it's a little bit later than our normal time. Yes. It's 630 instead of 530. We aim to please on this show. We're flexible. We did a noon podcast at one time. We just did an eight last week. We're all over the place. We try to be as consistent as possible we can at 530. We have consistency for our listeners. Did you tell people about listening? Did you tell them you're going to be on the show and make sure and check in, be up at 630 and ready to go? Let's go. I told a few people, I also told some people, hey, you can catch it afterwards too. Yes. They're like, oh good, I can still sleep. I do. I've got plenty of East Coast friends. Maybe they can listen live. There you go. Right on. We're happy to have you, Sally. We haven't known each other that long. We've just been recently connected and we'll get into some future stuff that we're going to be joining together in just less than three weeks on. Tell us a little bit about who Sally Macklin is and how you got into personal coaching. Yeah. Well, thanks. Yeah, thanks for having me on here. It's really pretty cool that I get to reach out to your listeners and your watchers. So Sally Macklin, I'm just a regular mom, honestly. That's my first job. I have two boys, adult boys. But about, you know, to help me with my sanity, to be honest, about 21 years ago, I did a yoga and Pilates class. I loved it so much and I just felt like it was the one time of my week that I could just like feel calm and serene instead of putting out fires with my two little boys running around. And so I decided, hey, I want to do this. So I became a fitness instructor. So all these years, and it's been such a blessing for me. I feel like it's made me a better mom for sure that I get to go do yoga. And I just love being able to encourage people. So I don't think I've ever had a bad class. I mean, no matter what. So that's really cool. I found that that's really my wheelhouse is encouraging people. And then about 11 years ago, I got invited to do something else that really gave me so much more ability and power to help people. And that is that I'm now I'm a personal health coach. And yes, a metabolic coach. I also wanted to say I kind of like this title to an empowerment coach, because that's what I do. And really what I do is I help people reinvent their health just by changing their daily habits that drive metabolic health. Because at the end of the day, it's not what you do once or for six weeks. It's what you learn to do every day in and out. And what becomes like your second nature in your life. So that's what I do. So 21 years ago, you attended a class and you got hooked. Is that right? You got hooked. How long did it take for you going through the process of being a student to turning into coaching? How long did that take? Well, what happened is the gal that it's funny. I mean, like I thought about this for so long, but the guy that taught the class, I actually asked her if she would come and teach a class for me. It's so funny. I haven't thought about this forever. I was also out of you've heard of Mops, Mothers of Preschoolers, Mops. It's a Christian preschool support group. So I was an organizer in that and I asked my friend, Tara, would you come and teach yoga to my ladies in my class? And so because of that, we became friends. And because we became friends, she's like, hey, you should take training and do this. So the way it worked, it's a program. It's called Mosa now. It was called something else back then. But I did a three-day training course and then I had, of course, practice, practice, practice. And then I became, so I teach at a club here in Gresham, Oregon and also at Portland. Portland's a little way over there. And that's, so it's a, it's Cascade Athletic Club and that's where I've taught this whole time. It's amazing. Awesome. Yeah. So is it a certification? You go through and you get, okay. Exactly, Russ. It's a certification. And you know, from time to time, you have to like recertify or do continuing education. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. So it's just like driving a Tesla car, which I don't, but driving a Tesla car, whenever your hands free, like your eye, they check on your eyes to make sure that your alert, your hands, you got to, you know, you got to be in touch every once in a while. So that if the car will tell you, put your hands on the wheel just so it knows that you're awake. So it's kind of the same thing, right? You got to get recertified. You got to get in there. They got to make sure that you are still in alignment with, you know, what you're teaching, what they're teaching you, you know, so to help you. So got to stay connected, Sally. That's a good thing. Because they might have a lot of drivers asleep in their Tesla. Yes. I have seen that before actually on the road. That scares me. I know down there you have a lot of self driving cars, right? Yeah. San Francisco, everywhere. I'm sure New York City. We have Waymo in San Francisco. Yeah. I think New York is a little bit behind on the self driving. I think San Fran and Northern Cal is a little bit more advanced, but Waymo, I've seen, when I was out by you, I saw Waymo and it's, it's on there everywhere. They're everywhere. Like literally, literally you can stand on a corner and wait probably two minutes, every two minutes there's a car driving by. That's wild. Wow. They're everywhere. Yeah. So, you know, my one and only Tesla story, little side note is I rented a Tesla on time when I went to Pittsburgh last January. It was minus seven degrees. So I got to the hotel, which is where the car was waiting for me and they had put the defrost on and it was dusk. Okay. Son had already said, so I go to the car and I can't get into the car because the doors were frozen shut. Yeah. I couldn't get in. So I'm going in and out of the hotel because it's, it's minus seven. I mean, it is cold, right? So I, I can't get this car in lock even though they had defrosted it for some time. And so I'm in contact with them. It took about 30 minutes. And you know what door open finally? The trunk. So I put myself in the trunk and now I'm climbing through somebody's car to get to the driver's seat so that I could get in, turn the car on and then wait for the heater to kind of warm things up. Right. So that's my, that's my real quick cleft note Tesla story. Oh man. Don't let it Tesla in minus seven degrees. Cool. Well, man. Yeah. You on muscle. Come on. Yeah. You said rock is the space. You can't warm up your car. Come on. They gotta, they gotta create a special door edge or lock heater. I hear your rest cause you know, up here, we're big skiers. And so yeah, like, you know, you ski all day, it's, it's freezing. The snow is, you know, pelting down and you go out to your truck and you try to open it and it won't open. And then like you're hoping you have like a little lighter and you're trying to like and the thing is you got to put like that grease or Vaseline on your door, but then that's kind of. Yeah. Then you got grease on your hands. Yeah. All kinds of problems. Can't wait out here. Yeah. We're getting so far off topic. Yeah. The key is is live in Scottsdale, Arizona. That's right. Yes. That's right. Well, yeah. Not really. Sally, let's say, you know, somebody you teach comes up to you in class and they want to make this change. They want you to coach them. They want to, you know, make a big change to themselves. What's some of the first practical steps you would have them take in making that change? Well, sure. Absolutely. You know, that happens a lot. I mean, I'm, you know, when I'm teaching my class, I'm on stage, but I'm usually hanging out and I'm talking to people after class and I've had a lot of people that are like, you know, I'm first of all, they just don't feel comfortable in their own skin. Sure. You know, and, you know, a lot of people would don't even want to step foot in the gym because they don't like how they look. They don't like how they feel. So, you know, honestly, the first thing is, you know, I really want to find out where they're at, you know, what is, you know, kind of their pain points really. And then what I really want to do is give them hope because a lot of people, you know, especially if they have, this isn't like the first time they've, you know, tried to work on their health, tried to lose some weight and they've done stuff and maybe they had some success, but then, you know, we all have obstacles in our life, right? You know, somebody in the hospital, somebody dying, financial issues. So anyways, I want to give people hope. It's like, you know what, you're not broken, you know, you, you can, we can fix this. And so, you know, I just want them to imagine or, you know, really visualize what they want. You know, what if you, I often say this is like, you know, gosh, if you could wake up tomorrow and you could have like the lifestyle and the body and the health that you want, what would that look like? And I just get people to dream, you know. And I told Russ this, I love, I got it right here. Tom and Cabot's, have you guys heard this, read this book? Sure. I haven't read it, but I've heard about it. It's awesome. I will tell you, I was reading it yesterday at the coffee shop to prepare it for our talk and the barista, she's like, oh, I love this book. It's so good. And you know what, we had a conversation and I invited her to our little thing in April. Anyways, so, but actually this, my first quote is not, and James Clare, it's Henry Ford. And that is whether you think you can or you think you can't, you're right. You guys know that one, right? So, and that's the thing is the first thing I would say is I want to give people belief. Yeah. And a lot of times they're, they're not there. They can't believe in it. And so as a personal health coach, I'm going to believe for them. And you know, so we talk, I let them know what I do as a coach and how I might be able to help them and what our program is. And then, you know, it's always, if they would like to, for me to coach them, they're in the driver's seat because I can't want it for them. But what I do kind of answer your question is I try to awaken their own intrinsic motivation to make a change. Sure. That's good. So, okay. So right now you're speaking to the ones who are in your class, Sally. Okay. Now, you have an audience right now that is all over the place, right? And you're going to have a future audience. I know, and that's exciting. Yeah. So you're going to have a future audience who's going to hear this platform. They're going to hear this podcast. So for those who are not going and attending a class, okay, to get help, they're struggling with that decision. What can you help them with right here, right now in this podcast to get them out of the house, to get them off of the couch, to get them into a class like yours or any class in their community to get them jump-started? What would you encourage and say to them today? Well, I would say that a large percentage of people just do not know how good they could feel. And we know this, right? The exercise at South Natural Endorphins, you know, that saying, right, you know, I had a terrible workout at the gym, said no one ever, right? It's like, you know, it's the first thing, opening the door, walking in, that's the hardest part, right? And it's, firstly, gosh, in my class that I teach, it's a 50-minute format class. It's like, all you have to do is show up and I'm going to take care of the rest because, you know, you're not going to decide, oh, I'm done now. It's like, oh, no, the class is not done. So here's another thing I would tell your viewers is, and I hear people say, like, I hate exercise. Well, try to find something that you like, you know, so pickleball is so popular, right? And I feel like one reason it is is because it's doable, right? It's easier than tennis. So I guess that's another thing is pick something that you is easy enough for you, you know, to feel confident at, you know, you don't have to have a big challenge. And you know, maybe that looks like, you know, just go and find a friend. Oh, that's another thing. Find a friend or better yet, find a coach or find a group of people because we are always better together. That's a big tagline I use a lot. So yeah, that would be another thing, Dan, is that, you know, don't try to do this by yourself. Sure. Sure. And even like the founder of my company, which by the way is Octavia, I'm proud to say that. Dr. Anderson, he'd say, you know, you're much more likely like, let's say you decide you're going to start running at 5am in the morning. Like that would be a tough one for me. But you are so much more likely to go if you call your neighbor and say, let's go together. Yeah, absolutely. Accountability. Accountability. Absolutely. And that's a really big part of my program too. Yeah, that creates drive and a lot of people. And Sally, correct me if I'm wrong here, but kind of what you're saying is you have to correct people's mindset first before you even go to the physical portion of things. You have to take that fear out of their minds, that judgment out of their minds where they're going to come into the gym and feel like it's a safe space as opposed to them coming in the gym and feeling like they're being judged. So they have to kind of coach their mindset to start. Do you agree with that? Absolutely. 100%. And you know, it's sad, right? I heard your Chad the other day, Chad Lafever, whatever. Yeah. I'm listening to him. I'm bad. I'm bad. Pardon? Nothing. Did I misspell it? His pronounces name. It was a conversation that Dan and I had off air going into the talk. We didn't know how to say this. Yeah. Anyways, he was saying about how many, I think he said we have 30,000 negative thoughts. I don't know if that number is right, but anyways, yeah, I mean, we beat ourselves up, right? Those darn negative voices that are sitting on your shoulder, blah, blah, blah. So yeah, you got to kick fear in the face. And another thing, again, I know I'm at my gym, you know, multiple times a week and saying up your listeners out there, if you have this idea that going to, you know, your local fitness club is all going to be hard bodies and all these, you know, people that are workout addicts and, you know, like, okay, there might be some there, but by and large, there's lots of people that are very much a work in progress. That's right. Do not be afraid. Nobody's judging you. Everybody's just kind of focused on them. I go there, I judge everybody. No, I'm just kidding. You just talked to everybody, Raz. I bet you have a hard time getting to work at him because you're talking to everybody. Exactly. Like our buddy Jim. Yeah, everybody's Jim. You know, that's how I met him, right? Oh, no, I didn't know that. At the gym. Oh, at the gym. Jim at the gym. Jim at the gym. So, did I answer your question, Dan? Yeah, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, I totally agree with that because I think a lot of people think that that Jim is this, like you just said, hard body place where everybody's trained and everybody's experienced and everybody has these, you know, everybody's been doing this for years type of thing. In all honesty, though, it's kind of the opposite. It's actually more work in progress than it is people who are really experienced. And, you know, I've been to a multitude of gyms, all different styles, different, you know, CrossFit, all this stuff. And even so, people are like, oh, you know, they think I've been doing this for years and everything, but it's not the case. There's tons of beginners in every single class I've been to, every single gym I've been into. That's absolutely 100% true. Now, when you look at people, Sally, who are coming to you and in the short term, they're saying, hey, Sally, I want to get this done, this done, this done. I want to lose weight. I want to get my mindset changed. What would you say allow those people to succeed in a long term basis as opposed to just that short term spurt where they're coming to you and saying, I want to make this change quick? What allows those people to succeed in the long term? Absolutely. That's a great question, Dan. And honestly, that's kind of what my program is all about because it's really, you know, I think I said this before, it's not what you do for a week or six weeks or a couple months. It's what your body learns to do naturally going forward. And you know, the program that I coach, we actually, we have some new terminology. Our whole company is kind of doing this rebranding thing and it's really exciting. I have a shirt on. I don't know if you can see it, but it says, there you go. Reset, renew, refine. For your listeners, they can't see this. It says, yes, reset, renew, refine. So reset is okay. I'm trying to get down to a healthy weight. And so we actually, the way our program works, and I hope, you know, I'm just letting you know what we're about. First of all, it's the whole, you've got accountability. Having a personal health coach to help you, you know, stay the line, right? Second is education. Like you got to learn, you know, how to show up differently and, you know, different habit patterns. I mean, it's all about changing your habit patterns. Education about what to eat, of course, nutrition is a big part of it. We get, so my clients, actually, I teach them to eat six times a day, small meals. We want to make it really simple. So five of those are actually prepared for them. That's the beauty of our program. It's so simple. Community is huge. You know, we have, we actually, next week, next week is April. Can you believe that? And we're a team of coaches, because we work, we all work together. I have all sorts of coach friends and we are getting together and doing a metabolic reset. It's kind of accountability focus group. So because we're always going to be better when we're doing this together and we're with like-minded people. And so, anyways, so that's kind of how it goes. And I think I forgot your question, Dan. Whoops. So in terms of like somebody coming to you and they want to make this change Sally, so say they want to change Sally. Oh yes. How would this exceed long-term basis? Exactly. Okay. Perfect. Yes. So that's the thing. So we train people, you know, everything, you know, the more you do it, the more you repeat an action, the more your brain, you know, gets used to that. And pretty soon, you know, it becomes second nature. You know, like if I was a coffee drinker and I started drinking tea every morning, you know, after a while, I'd be like, oh, that's just what I do now. And actually, thank you. There's a point I wanted to make. And it's a really big one. It's not about like what you want to do. Like, oh, I want to get up at 5 a.m. every morning. I want to like be productive first thing. I want to, it's who you become. So it's really, and that's such a James Clear thing. And in fact, okay, I'm going to read a little James Clear quote here. He says, identity is the North Star of habit change. The most effective way to change your habits is to focus not on what you want to achieve, but who you want to become. So that's the thing. And that's why when we very first get started, it's like, okay, here you are right here in your current reality. And you know, your current reality is really basically the sum of the habits and your thoughts. We can get into that too. We will get into that. But this new person, your future self, your 3.0 self, they have a different set of habits. So, and a fundamental truth that we have at Optivia is this. It's lead from the future, act in the now. That's very classic. That is what that means is, okay, look at that future person. How do they act? How do they show up? You know, what do they eat? What are their activities? And it's like, okay, if I want to be that person in the future, I got to start acting like that person now. I might not, I won't be that person yet. But I need to really, you know, that that's that's how you get there, Dan. And that's how you, and how you stay there. Well, you know, when it comes to your health, your health is like the laundry, right? It's like, you can do it, you get all washed and folded and it's all good. And then you have to do it next week too. So I would say that staying in a community of people that are all want the same thing as you. You know, like recently, I went, actually, I was in Dallas, we had a convention where this was awesome. It was called awaken. And so of course, you know, we have team dinners, we all go out to dinner. And so we go out and looking around the table, like there's 20 people around the table. And we're all having, you know, salads, proteins and salads and like, you know, it's not like it was hard. Like if I had like, if I had said, oh yeah, I'm going to have chicken fried steak and mashed potatoes, I would have been the definitely the odd man out, you know. And so it was not hard to make good choices because I mean, you know, again, it's accountability, which is, you know, you could say, oh, better be on your best behavior around these health coaches, but, but it's a good thing. So you raise a good point though, because if you're not surrounded by like-minded people, it makes this way harder. Absolutely. Because if you're going out to dinner with people who are not like-minded, everybody else is going to judge you for eating that salad or get it. And I mean, I've experienced this so many times in my life where I've gone out to dinner with people who, you know, not to say they don't care, they still work out and they train on right that, but I want to stay healthy. I want to try to keep on my regiment or anything like that. And everybody else is like, what are you doing? You know, so it kind of works in the opposite effects sometimes where you're trying to stay on goal and they're not. So surrounding yourself with like-minded people helps so much because you don't feel that judgment as much. You didn't feel judged by ordering a salad because everybody else is getting a salad or everybody else is getting grilled chicken or something like that. But if you're in a scenario where people don't care, they're going to judge you for trying to stay on that regiment. I've seen that so many times. Well, you know what? Last year at my event in Santa Cruz, I took all the team, the speakers, everybody out to dinner to a pasta place. Okay? That's right. About, there was like eight or nine of us? Yeah. Okay. So I ordered like eight or nine, eight ordered salads and I ordered pasta. That's correct. I'm like, we should have went to a salad bar. That's correct. I'm looking around every salad. Yeah, I'll have one. I'll have that. I'll have a salad. You know, it's like, all right, we're not going to a pasta again. I do recall that was fun. But it's true though. It's just nature of the beast. Like when you go to dinner, nobody's really ordering a healthy dish unless you're surrounded by those people who are doing that. You know, it's just, it's how it is. But where are you going to say salad? Cut your... Oh, that's okay. You know, I definitely, as coaching my clients, I mean, we talk about what they're facing that week, you know? So it might be, oh yeah, I've got this big, you know, birthday party I'm going to and or drinking. That's a big one. Yeah. But you know what? Nobody cares what's in their glass. They really don't. You might think they do, but they don't. But I also, how I coach people, like when they're, you know, they're doing a program, which I can talk a little bit about what happens when they do, but they're, you know, they're feeling good. They're in FAPRN. I can talk more about that. But so I tell them, okay, go to this thing and tell the people around you, especially like if they compliment you, hey, you're looking good. Oh, have you lost a little weight? And I tell them to say, hey, say, yeah, you know what? I am, I'm really focused on my health right now. I'm working with a coach and I've, I've lost 10 pounds and I, you know, so I'm just going to be ordering, you know, I won't be eating the dessert and thank you for supporting me in that. And I tell them that. Don't ask. Yeah. Don't ask forgiveness or excuse yourself. Just be bold and just say, thank you for supporting me. And I mean, okay, you'd, you'd really have to be, okay, I don't want to swear on, on your thing, but you know, can I say asshole? That could be a real asshole. Wait, you're supposed to ask permission first. I'm just kidding. You'd have to be a real stinker to like challenge that, right? Yeah, sure. Sure. And more likely that person would say, oh no, that's awesome. That's great. Good for you. I'm glad you're doing it. And maybe even what are you doing? And hey, maybe I can join you. So I like, you know, again, that's an empowerment, right? It's like, I want people to like, hey, you know what? I'm doing this for me and no apologies. And you don't need to just like, you know, you didn't, you didn't need to apologize for eating pasta. Russ and some people didn't need, you know, like you just, you never, I was not apologizing. He's not apologizing. Okay. Yeah, I'm sure you enjoyed your pasta. I enjoyed my meal. You know what? I don't want to be less. I'm going to get a second dish of pasta actually. I do want to say this too. I am not the food police. I don't ever judge my clients or anyone. It's just because everything is a choice, right? It's not, it's not cheating. I hate that word cheating. It's just a choice. And you know, it's a choice that either leads you towards your goal or takes you away from it. Sure. Absolutely. So, you know, people follow a lot of fads. They go with the rage. They go with what's happening. You get in, you dive into the hard work. You help them, you coach them, you analyze them, you lift them up, you build them up. You actually tear them down and build them back up, right? You want to, you want to, you know, help them maybe lose weight. You want to help them refine their bodies. You want to help help them in their minds. They're thinking, well, we all know that for the last little bit, the rage is G.A. G.L.P. Ones and peptides. Yeah. So, people love a little bit more of the quick fix. It's like going to, you know, McDonald's, right? We'll just do something quick and we'll get in, we'll get out, we'll go, right? Tell everybody your take and the difference between what you focus on, the G.L.P. Ones and the rage and, you know, what's your take on? Yeah. Sure. That is a great question because everybody, you're right. It's the shiny object right now, has been for a few years. So in the beginning, when like, oh, you know, we didn't really even know kind of what that, what this was and it was like the start, we were like, don't do that. No, it's not the right way. But you know, honestly, you can't, if you can't be in them, join them. And so I'll say this, we are not against G.L.P. once, not at all. It's a tool. And actually, here's the way I like to say it. So and actually I want to explain what my program does to be able to compare that. So what I help people do is I help people restrict their calories just enough, just the right calorie deficit, as we say, to get them in a mild fat burn state. And that's something we're really getting more and more into about healing your metabolism. So what happens, like I'll have a client that starts, they, you know, they're eating less. And what happens is instead of having the sugars in their food, be their fuel, their body turns to their fat stores. And it really only takes about three days for that to happen. So when you make that shift, I could call it ketosis, but that's kind of a lot of times the ketosis is pretty harsh. We want it gentle, just a gentle fat burn. So we don't even like use that word. People that's the secret sauce of how the weight comes off so fast because people are literally melting the fat off them. And that is a big thing too about our program is that we are targeting just the fat because we, you know, you want to protect your muscle. That's because it's a muscle that burns calories, right? So anyways, so that's the desired effect is that we get people in that fat burn stage, the weights coming off. Because when your body is getting that really good fat energy, you feel great. In fact, after all this time, I feel like I can on the phone, I can hear in people's voices when they're in fat burn or not. I can just tell. I also can tell because they tell me that they just cleaned up their basement or they power wash their front drives. Like they are ready to go. They're feeling energetic. They wake up, they jump out of bed. That's what fat burn looks like. So that's awesome. But some people it's just so let's say that that's like a little, little garden shovel, right? So but for some people that's just not enough because there's that food noise. They think about food constantly. They have food addictions because that's a real thing. Also mental, people definitely eat food, not just to nurse their bodies, but for emotional numbing with food, all of that. So for some people, it sounds great, but it just doesn't work. So in that case, it's like, okay, our little garden shovel is not doing the job. Let's get a big old snow shovel. And that's a GLP one. It's like, okay, we need a bigger tool. We're going to shut down your hunger. We're going to make it so, you know, we're bringing the big guns so that you can get that achieve what you want. And so we're like, okay, great. And you know, also GLP ones are getting better and better all the time. They're doing the compounds. So I am not against GLP ones. Our company is not. I just feel I would rather that people try it with the little garden shovel first and see if that's going to work. The other big thing about GLP one, and so again, like I said, you can't beat him. Join him. We, you know, if you just use a GLP one, you turn off your hunger, you just keep eating whatever you want. You haven't changed anything. Right. You, your habits have not changed. So we actually now have a special GLP one support plan. It's like, okay, if you're going to use it, fine, that, you know, we'll incorporate that into what you're doing, but you still need to learn the best healthy habits. And it's not just what you eat too. It's like having good sleep, having good exercise, having good stress relief. The mental part is huge, you know, changing your relationship with food. So we come alongside people that are doing GLP one and say, Hey, we want to, you know, you're spending all this money and, you know, a big investment doing these shots because they're not cheap, you know, we ask this question, how soon do you want to gain that weight back? And I definitely, I've had clients that they've done my program years ago, they lost their weight. They didn't get this part. They didn't make the mindset shift. They didn't change their identity. And then they gained their way back when something hard came along. They went on GLP one. They did that for a while and then they had to stop. Maybe they got sick from the shot or it was too expensive and they stopped. And they gained all the way back or and more because another thing with GLP one is that I mentioned to you that our program is very careful about targeting fat and protecting muscle. Well, actually, Optivia has recently done a study that showed that typically with GLP one users about 40% of their weight is actually muscle. So that's kind of bad news because if you're losing your muscle, you know, the fat as people show the fat comes on pretty quick. Again, muscle, not so much. And then if you, you know, have less muscle, you're burning less calories. So it's like, you know, if you start off with a certain percentage of muscle, you lose the muscle, you lose the fat, then you get the fat back, but not the muscle, you're behind in the game. Right. Right. So that's kind of my thoughts about GLP one. It's like, it can be good. It can be a good tool, but it requires some management to for people to have long term effects. Sure. That's awesome. Very awesome. I think there's also a misconception about eating clean, I think at the same time, too. I hate to say diet because people, people very, very taboo. I hate that word. Yeah. I do not like diet. I like eating clean or something along those lines, but people have this misconception that you have to, you know, eat in this regiment all the time. You could still have your meals and everything like that. If you want to have this meal and that meal, so long as you're in a caloric deficit, you will still lose weight. People think that, oh, I'm, you know, I can't have this at night because I, you know, I, you know, it's bad for you. Yes. It may be not the healthiest food, but so long as you remain in a caloric deficit and you're in this state of, as you called somewhat of ketosis, we're not going to say ketosis, but somewhat of ketosis, you will still lose weight. You know, and that's this misconception that people have. It's like, oh, I can't eat that. Yeah. Maybe it's not the best thing for you, but so long as you're still in that calorie range, let's say you're in this, you know, 1800 to 2000 calorie range right now. So long as you're sitting there, you're okay. You know, people think like, oh, I can't touch that. It's not always the case. And I think that means he sometimes allows people to excel more than, you know, regressed at the same time because they could see that themselves are listening. I could have this, you know, twice a week and that may help them actually propel themselves as opposed to regress all the time. You agree with that? Kind of. Okay. Tell me. Um, so yeah. Um, you know, again, everything's a choice. Sure. And you know, like, like people that go on trips, you know, I'm like, well, you know, if you're eating just because you need to feel your body, because that happens, like when my clients are used to eating six times a day, after two to three hours, they're going to be hungry. So, you know, so it's like, Hey, you know what, if it's just, I got, I got to fuel my body, then the products we have, the feelings are great. If it's like, Oh, it's a special, you know, it's my, my, my parents 50th wedding anniversary is like, well, then yeah, you're going to want to go and be social and, you know, make choices. And, you know, so, um, but as far as I want to speak to staying in a calorie deficit, that's one thing, um, you know, that I coach my clients is like, Hey, we're going to make this really simple for you. You have five, we actually call them fuelings, not meals. And it's the mindset thing. It's like, Hey, you're fueling your body. We make it easy for people. It's not, we don't want people to feel deprived. We have things like brownies. We have like, I have cereal. I've got, you know, it's, it's not like you're going to be eating cardboard. But um, thing is when you get in that calorie deficit, you're feeling good. You're, you're like, my typical client would be losing depending where they start. Like let's say I have somebody at 250 pounds. Yeah. Like six to eight pounds loss in the first week is typical. Right. Yep. So, but I want my job for them is especially in those first couple of weeks, the month is I want them to get in that fat burn and stay there. We actually call it guarding the burn. Right. So, um, so, and you know, yeah, I mean, if you have a piece of chocolate cream pride, that is going to throw you out. And I'm sorry it is. And um, so what I, I always tell people when they're doing my program, it's like, um, modified plan, modified results. Okay. And like, again, I don't want to be a food. I will tell you, you know, if you, if you eat this, you will be out of fat burn. And what I hate is when people are like almost, but not quite in fat burn. Cause to be honest, that like kind of sucks. Right. It's like, and, and, and you're almost, but not quite feeling that great energy. And so, you know, I just tell people, it's like, you know, you are committing, this is an investment you're doing, you're committing to your health. And again, that question is like, Hey, is this eating this or, you know, taking that walk or whatever, is that getting me closer to my goal or not? And it's just a question I do, you know, when I, so I, you know, I meet weekly with my coaches just on, or my clients on the phone, we go over, you know, how is your week? What, what happened? You know, what was good? What obstacles did you have? And we learned from them, right? You know, when something, when they make a choice that's not getting them towards their goal, it's like, Hey, you know what? You got to learn. And so, yeah. So I don't know. I guess I'm somewhat disagreeing with you. It depends on what people want. But again, they are in the driver's seat, not me. And that, and you know what, actually, that gets me to a point I wanted to make. And that is just personal responsibility is so huge. You know, it's like, there is one person, I'm pointing to the viewer here, one person that is in charge of your health and that is you. You can't make, you know, like, can't make excuses. And, you know, the results of your habits you wear on your body. Yeah, it makes sense. Yep. Absolutely. You know, Sally, coming up in just under three weeks, you and I are going to be on stage together. Dan's going to be on the big screen above us, looking down as if he's gone. We're going to be in Portland. We're going to be at the Eleanor in downtown Portland in the Pearl District. We're going to be on stage. We're going to be talking about some of this stuff in a podcast at Impact Portland today. Part of that, the focus of that event is all about reinventing themselves. People reinventing themselves in health and wellness. Can you just give us a little snippet of ways? And I know that you have over these last 45 minutes, but let's say somebody's going to attend that event. Or they're not, you know, they're out of the country or whoever's listening to this, right? But give them some simple steps of how people can reinvent themselves in 2026 when it comes to health and wellness. Sure. And I just have to say that I'm really excited about this whole concept. I feel like I feel like our country's in revival. I feel like we've been like walking around in the desert and it's coming. People are really waking up and saying, yeah. This is not good. We need to do better. And also I am excited to be part of this event. And again, I've been trying to listen to some of your other guests. And I feel like we're kind of all singing the same song, but just in a different language or a different dialect. We have, but it's the themes all the same. So I'm looking forward to hearing some of your other speakers. And but as far as reinventing your health, you know, that's that's really what I do. People come to me. That's what I help them with. The first thing is, OK, where are you? You know what? You've got to have brutal self evaluation. Where are you at right now? And what are the habits that got you there? You know, and that's something, you know, I actually have like an assessment that I send to people when they when we're talking about working together. So it's the first thing's like, you got to know where you're at. And that's the hard part. That's that's not easy for people to answer. You know, exactly being honest with yourself. I've been a lot of people, honestly. That's the first step, being honest with yourself. Because, yeah, I've got all the other sort of voices going on. And then the second thing, which I did mention before is know where you want to go. Like what OK, what's my goal? We have this thing called structural tension. It's like, OK, here's here's where you're at. Here's where you want to be. What are the little steps to get there? So and then, you know, I think I said this. The belief, belief that you can actually do that. And again, as a coach, I lend my belief to people like so many people when they start my program, they're really skeptical. They're like, I don't know. You know, this works for everybody else, but I don't know about you, me. So and it's just a simple process. And so that's another thing. Don't try to change everything. You know, it's like, we just got a James Clear again, like, you know, the one one percent. If you can get one percent better than you were yesterday, that one percent is going to compound. And that's another thing. Big thing is when I when I work with people like I want to help them find wins. Sure. That's great. And that that's a big thing. So I believe you told me, Russ, that at our event, you're going to give everybody a little journal. Oh, yeah. Oh, right. And that's a big thing, too, writing stuff down. Even just writing things down is like you're accountable to yourself because you can go back and you can see what you said about yourself. And so, yeah, to write down your goals and then where's I going with that? Oh, yeah, wins. So even like, even if you had a really horrible day and like everything went wrong, like, like, OK, let's let's go ahead and find the wins. So there had to be something that went right. Yeah. Let's focus on that. And then, you know, because when you do that, you build you build confidence and trust with yourself. Sure. Makes sense. And so a little bit of our time and, you know, again, coaching, having somebody or accountability partner. I would probably have to say that I'm kind of a cheerleader. You know, and, you know, I have taught people off the cliff, cliff, meaning quitting, because that's like everything. There's no such thing as failure, right? It's just all progress and feedback unless you. So I keep people from quitting. And then the other thing I would say, Dan, is you got to join people like minded people, you got to don't do it by yourself. You know, find people that are going to support you in what you, you know, what you want to achieve. So more of James Clear quotes, but you might want to read this book. I don't know if he'll give me credit for like, and I mean, honestly, OK, I heard a podcast the other day. It was really awesome. A woman, I forget her name, Debbie, somebody talking about identity. It was super powerful. That is it was James Clear. So I'm going to give him credit. I'm not sure I thought of it. Good job. So do that answer your question, Dan. Yeah. Reaviting and just getting excited, getting excited about, yeah, yeah, I'm going to do this and and you're worth it. Because so many people have this subliminal message, maybe from childhood. You know, there's a reason we do the things we do. Yeah. People that are. Have 400 pounds of excess weight. There's a reason that they do what they do. Right. Right. And, you know, and a lot of times, you know, sometimes that is a deep dive. It's like, OK, what is going on? That I feel compelled to do the things that I do. Sometimes they're destructive. And sometimes you've got to just really dig into that. Sure. I am not a psychologist. But but definitely, you know, again, going back to Dr. Anderson, the founder of Optivia, my company, you know, he says that 80 percent of what ails Americans is emotional mismanagement. Yeah. So sometimes that's that's another step is like, let's look at why. Again, this is self evaluation, right? Yeah. Well, no, absolutely. But anyways, I'm really hoping that I will be able to inspire people to reinvent themselves and, you know, say, draw that line in the sand. And that's the thing, too. It's like when you are yours, you're not willing to stay where you are. Yeah. You want more in your life. It's like, you know, there's got to be more than this. Like I'm and so many people. It's like. They could have so much better potential if they weren't restricted by their health. And I also want to say this, too, it's not about your health now. And that's a big shift that we're having, actually. It's about what is the last portion of your life going to look like? Yeah, for sure. For sure. We talk about this term of health span versus life span. Life span is the time from your being born to when you die. Health span is the time between, you know, when you you're born and when you still can get up and enjoy life and, you know, big contributions to society. And yeah. And the people around you, you know, a lot of times it's not about just about you. It's like you got to take, you know, so many parents. Sure. I actually have. I know we're getting a little close to the deadline here, but one little story. I have a client. He's a young man in Texas, actually. And he's 28 years old and he came to me. He's 20, 260 pounds. And I have helped him since January. He messaged me. He's like, he was down to two 18. Wonderful. And I am so happy for him. I'm going to call it Mark. That's not his name, but anyways, clients confidentiality, right? But Mark told me he has two little kids and he's like, I'm not just doing this for me. You know, I do this for life so that, you know, I'm going to be around for her and definitely my kids plus. And I will say that something I have seen in my life. It's about the legacy we leave for our kids. Yeah, for sure. So he's thinking about his little four year old and two year old. Like, you know, he wants to be the best dad for them and teach them healthy habits so that they're not going to be dealing with obesity and diabetes at age 15, which sadly is happening now. Yeah. Yep. Yep. That's awesome. Amazing. Well, Sally, thank you for coming on to dual coast and being a part of our show. It was amazing. Yeah, absolutely. Appreciate your insight. The rooster kind of went quiet. Yeah, I know. 630 and then I don't know what happened. But I got 12 hands around him. So. But I just want to say thank you. You're such a blessing and what you're doing in your community and around the globe is impacting lives. You're helping reinvent people in their walk. You're helping them to identify who they are, where they are and where they want to go. And I know that the listeners today and in the future who are going to hear this podcast are going to learn greatly from all of your insights today. So thank you for coming on to dual coast and sharing your message of hope. Thank you. Well, I really I do hope that whoever's listening or watching, I do just give you hope because there is hope. And even if you know, you've got like a lot of issues, your medications, you've got massive metabolic dysfunction, we can reverse that. Sure. Yeah, absolutely. And where can people find you? Yeah, Sally. Oh, I knew you were going to ask me that. Like, well, I don't have a website of my own. I have an email address and also Facebook is kind of like my storefront. So if you're at Facebook, I am Sally Thompson Maclin. And what should I give my email address? Or they can they can just DM you on on their Facebook and then you can go from there. Yeah, send me a message. I'm always on there. Instagram too. I don't even know what my thing is. Sally Maclin. Sally Maclin. I kind of like I do Facebook and it goes over to Instagram. You know how that works? Yeah, so. But anyways, but or you can, I don't know, contact rest. He knows where to find me. Absolutely. I do. But I should say that I do work with people all over the country. Like, you know, it doesn't matter what state you're in. And I'm going to say this. I think I can say this soon, very soon. We are going to be going outside the US. We're going to be international. So that's a big thing for our company. Big things, big things are happening for up to via. That's awesome. Yeah, you're going to hear about it. Thank you so much. Dan, tell us about our show. Where is it going to be at? Yes, so Sally, thank you so much again. I hope everybody learned a lot today. We talked about, you know, determination, dieting, what a metabolic health coach does. I hope everybody got a great lesson today. Please check us out at dual coast podcast on all social media handles. Please listen to us on Spotify, Apple podcast, Amazon music. Please check out Sally on Facebook at Sally Thompson. You said Thompson, Macklin. And please check her out on Instagram at Sally Macklin. Sally, thank you so much again for being with us. We'll see everybody next week.