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! Yo, yo, hey Willie how are you today? All right boy we got this is a fatty podcast podcast big boy this is a big big one this is this episode yeah this is the podcast with a fat ass this is a big booty Latina see those podcasts back from the front you can sit like oh let's go this is the big yes you need to go to the doctor you seem like you have a problem shadow the hedgehog is is attracted to this episode of the podcast all right all right that's good we're not gonna beat that that's that's perfect hey what's up I'm back home and I have I have spent the the first time that has what am I trying to say yeah just start over start the whole summer yeah it my fucking my my my kid ain't here and it's fucking sucks man oh yeah yeah there's baby at babies still chilling with with the fam there's oh yeah the little little bit of a goddess gotta be gotta meet some of the family you know there's some extended family and stuff going on and because the the mat leave is the perfect opportunity for that there's a little bit of an extended you know hey meet the kid while you can while she's a couple months tour and you know have to come back to work so time to it's time to start swearing be be free will he just walk around the house and swear a lot I mean I'm dong out I'm just fucking swanging yeah I'm swinging you know that that much is happening for sure I was I came out of the shower the other day and my toddler was like dad put your penis away and like oh geez okay holy fuck well I wait for an empty house on that one but at the very least it sucks man it's fucking not cool no way to no punch line there I'm just like fuck miss bebe that's it that's all and you know you're getting a taste of you're getting a taste of the absolute existential crisis that's getting real close for me which is alright little man go have school I'm just gonna be here for a whole day and you're not gonna be here like I just I see it so you know what makes it worse is like video call every day but she doesn't understand like what a screen with my face on it is no that doesn't mean nothing so it doesn't mean anything so there's no warmth to it it's just oh yeah I'm staring at a picture of you on a box looking at a moving picture and you know she's seen a couple of those I guess kind of like the frame we have but it's like okay so I'm like oh but it's but it's me though and she's like yeah yeah that's too young to appreciate that fucking fucking sucks man well at the very least it's giving you a little bit of a break I'm sure you got some decent sleep fuck break baby yeah fuck off hey you know what you've had plenty of time to get like just drill down and get good at the next big thing in fighting games that's 2x KO plenty of time to practice yeah all right let's start there that's the exact noise I wanted to cut out of you I mean I like I'm you know here's here's here's the here's the the the the fucking the breakdown of it I guess I'm glad it's not canceled I'm glad it still exists we'll see what that means but it obviously doesn't bode well you know what let's let's backtrack a little bit yeah half the team of 2x KO the people don't know what we're talking half the team of 2x KO just got let go and that's 80 people of 160 so very suddenly as well with very little notice a lot of a lot of heads up from or rather not a lot of heads up obviously because you know people on Twitter that are FGC folks you know we've seen Nurjosh, Path of Flip, Alex Jaffe and I think yeah Carolion as well Carolion some of the balance team people some of the people that created some of the character designers etc yeah all got let go and it I guess the idea is you know they're going to maintain with the 80 members remaining to put out what other characters are already done and you know move forward with that and yeah I mean when you just look at it forensically you're like okay well ten years of development I have one thing apparently the plans for 2x KO long term are gonna be revealed next week according to Rufalmonger yeah I did see that as well so we're gonna get more news about that and I know prior to that there was the uncockable update that basically was talking about shortening combos and you know making some changes gameplay wise I yeah that's a thing we're like hopefully what the most of what that means is like 40 second Warwick flipping you around shit is gonna stop but like in any case yeah I you look at it forensically and you go okay well ten years of development is fucking crazy long it's and I think we can all agree that that it was crazy that they got to a ten year development spot that they like they rebooted the game two or three times that is a lot of grace and it's for a free-to-play game as well so you're not going into a stress standard release cycle you're not going into it even like things that like publishers love like pre-orders or you can like take some numbers to you know get data or whatever it's like yeah that no it's going into a free-to-play sort of you know riot ecosystem and I remember when you know people that I know weren't that on the team were basically just like I had somebody on the somebody working on the game basically just went to me like hey buy our skins please really gotta just buy the skins you know and I was like yeah okay I can see that this is a situation where once it comes out it's going to you know test the waters on PC for a bit and you're gonna see and I think a lot of those insane pricing is you saw in the skins was a like let's make up for this ten years of development and I think the this is all just speculation but I'm I think the console release was a like a dot on the calendar that was like an X you know so there's a lot of little pieces here and like I think I think there's a value in going through like every little piece because it's all kind of like fascinating from like a like a like you said a forensic perspective now this is not a post-mortem because games not this is thank you I do exist for minimum two years from today it's important to put that up front yes because they're because they're gonna get that year of stuff out and then they'll they'll at the very least go maintenance mode something like that with Ruta or something like that but you would but like you would get the impression that it is dead in some ways from the way people have been like kind of talking about it and stuff well this is a this is a large-scale downgrade of potential and what you're seeing what I would say is that you're seeing a deflation of hype because overall there's a feeling of like oh when you see that happen people are like well I don't feel excited about you know something that I see going downhill with this that's a that's not absolutely so that's that's the energy right but it's not but it's not like it is not a dead thing there's a lot of little pieces and like so the timing is as I stated on social media and many other people go the game came out three weeks ago what the fuck that's insane how could that it's like okay that's not exactly true not exactly true the they did come out back in September was that the right month but it came out in last quarter and it's been on the PC beta for a while and now we're on the console side of things and it's been a couple weeks into that and from the statement that they've released which is the only thing that we have I don't have any info inside information I don't think you have any either but from that statement they said we've seen like a dedicated core associated with the game on PC and now console but they're not acting in the way that we need them to act but in turn and also just in terms of like iterative iteratively from what we do know we are currently playing 2x alpha 2 right yeah if we're starting with project L if we're starting with World Warrior yeah if we're starting we went through like project L and that game never came out and then we went with 2x co version 1 champ addition super super turbo alpha one and then we run the gamut on these so we were around circa alpha 2 actually occurred is that and this can this is only my supposition based off of my gut only I don't know anything but I am under the assumption that the requirements from riot management for what numbers or what kind of popularity the game needed to hit were responded with absolutely we're gonna kill it we're gonna do really well etc maybe knowing that that wasn't a reasonable goal but with the assumption that if if you know the cannon said that shit's fucking ridiculous you're crazy we're never gonna do those numbers out the gate that the game would be canceled that day rather than make it to market but what I feel more strongly about is that the reason why this is happening a couple weeks into the console release is that there was a moment where they're like okay it's beta though it's not out yet these numbers aren't like indicative of the future of the game wait till the console release happens and then we'll get all the PlayStation and Xbox guys in here and we'll be able to get the numerical data on their spending habits to see what the and then what happened was is that it was somewhat clearly replicated from the PC experience so and from some of the other rumors to as well it seems like you know like I it would look to me as if like okay acquire like seeing rising thunder acquiring that got radiant and working on this like there was definitely a someone high up somewhere that was like yo okay there's a fighting game passion project League of Legends thing that would be cool and as we expand and whatever like it would be this is a genre we can go into and you know succeed in right they did it seemed as if like you know with cards with rune tower with valorant and all these other things as well you know the the there's a very clear incentive to not just be the League of Legends company yeah they branched out in a lot of stuff they had a bunch of little small games they had rune terror that valorant and they have now 2x ko and had high tail which they then dropped and then high tail came out by itself and they are working on an MMO which they have also restarted development on okay so they have a yeah they have a way of going about things that is like you know I mean speaking of high tail like they have a long tail on development where it's like they believe in the thing and are willing to let it go and let it restart and whatever in the hopes that it'll eventually get where it needs to be now obviously there's no possible way that like something after like this long of development with this many with this much going on and you know it sounds like it was a complex game to make because they had to restart that many times and you know when you see you know you don't see 10 years worth of content in terms of those characters the amount of that in the game and stuff you just see probably lots of ideas that went back and forth until that it you know it was iterated upon and released yeah there there's no way it's gonna be profitable out the gate in a way that you know is going to hit someone really high ups bottom line right that here's the problem and this is the big big problem for for riots perspective right and specifically for the 2x KO team is like there is no way that this could possibly have come out in the in the black like like enough in the black that it'd be worth it right away but that's because it's a fighting game not yeah the genre can't do that because valorant all took about six years to build and it came out and valorant was very successful right away and that's the problem here is that people are going well you can't expect it it's like but the that own company did have that experience where they spent a huge amount of time and investment on something with the expectation that it would blow up right away and it did blow up right away and that was a shooter and again and again the people they brought in are were like you know ground of the what the community what the fighting game community was in north is in North America you know like people that can explain better than anyone else can what this whole FGC thing is right but if you want a Monday morning quarterback even if this game were not to V2 1v1 and even if it released with the 20 or so characters that token is now promising timing doesn't make those 20 characters fun to play guys but that's that's neither here nor there we can complain about that later yeah that actually it's not here it's there but the I'd say even if it was like a 25 character roster with single 1v1 traditional fighter that was what it needed to be in for everybody to be like oh yeah but I still don't think that would have hit it would be good could be in the black in this situation like so I think that this is a huge variety of timing and design errors that is being made by people who maybe are too in love with the thing that they're making and see it objectively but they all and they also have the grace of someone high enough up that is willing to give it more space than a traditional studio with a traditional like chain would get like the amount of leeway they were they're given because of belief in the project is immense and I'm gonna say you can see that continuing and the fact that the gate is not cancelled it's continuing to exist you can still play it and there's still more shit gonna come out right um you know that xkcd comic about how people don't know math and how experts wildly overestimate the level of knowledge that people who don't know math are into yeah like the input for the input for a round trip and and stinger of course yes yes that was made today about you and me talking about double may cry right and I feel like there's something going on there with 2xko and developing a fighting game so it is unsurprising that a bunch of Marvel players made a tag fighter for freaks that is not really shocking yeah those mixes are sick what is shocking yeah is that they didn't think they were making it for freaks that's the weird part so the 2xko like stated design ethos is to offer a fighting game that is free and instantly accessible to everyone who plays it particularly league of legends players because they have the characters that they like as a result it has led to a game that has one button specials and no motions right the control simplicity is is and combos are like loose and movement is loose and like there's a there it is easy to control and literally pick up and hit buttons then they made a game with six fuses in which six five in which every fuse is the most degenerate version of a tag game mechanic freestyle tag is disgusting crazy shit and will annihilate anyone who's new to the genre assists by themselves are not as immediately understandable to the point where this is the game that taught me how to use assists right so right now and so thus you kind of have something where you go hold on are you making this for beginners are you making it for freak beasts right and you go is it both that's confusing and I think the philosophy you're seeing is one that you saw in Rising Thunder to some degree but just take this dialed up more which is low ceiling low floor high ceiling is the thought process right in the end if you are fighting in the end you have yet if you're going for a low floor low floor high ceiling you want the I'm sure part of that is like games that are low floor low ceiling don't survive they don't make much money and they don't really last that long you need reason to step there's their flash in the pan and like any other genre right like really high like skilled players doing cool things makes beginners interested makes people that don't know what's going on go go oh what's that right so I and so that that is a thing that is worth aspiring to and showing off and when you have a sick fucking evil moment 37 where people don't know what's going on go oh my god that's crazy shit what the fuck let me find out what this is those are smart things to design for and you get people who can make that happen I think when you when you have a situation where low floor and low floor players are playing against each other you you you're hoping that it'll like be fine because they'll be competitive with what they can keep track of and then once you scale up and scale up and scale up high versus low is ridiculous but your hopes are that you're gonna fight people that are gonna be playing at the same speed and pace that you yeah right I think that yeah I do think if they kept things too simple right that would have like not paid off I think that Rising Thunder was a good example of kind of both but that but that high ceiling and rising there wasn't super high and it was already kind of hitting its limits right so and rising thunder would have had other issues for like the long-term health of that game I think it would have but yeah and I think tier two as well you know the the the basic idea of like the the appeal is you have a billion popular League of Legends characters that could show up anyone can be next the roster being what you tune into more than anything is like when it comes to making money like even if the game is like more complex or less or so like there is definitely when you look at like the you know world tour sort of people that are buying the cosmetics in Street Fighter 6 and stuff like that there's a bunch of people that are just happy to like get their characters get the costumes mash couple buttons and enjoy it you know so I think like we're back to talking about the roster to some degree we are because that's that's that's all it that's what it comes down to and and now and so like this is this is like kind of I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit but like the announcement of the cut in staff is more damaging to the game than the cut in staff because the the people that like this game and want to evangelize this game to others and get people into it well hey man by the end of the year there's gonna be 16 characters and the next year they'll be 22 and like I don't know if that's true now yeah don't know and you know like Karelian for example Karelian rather will design like a lowy and you know some of the some of the people that we saw like were you know people who are making some interesting characters in the game I feel like I'm not imagining the thought is on the table to like what to design beyond what currently exists with the the restructure you know you have half your team gone that is a whole lot of non-essential extra things quality of life things that are now on the back burner now you're just kind of survival mode I imagine and once they get comfortable I'm just then they can probably think about okay where do we go from there but the thing I don't imagine this team would ever want to compromise on because of who it's made up of would be like making lower effort characters that are like that come out more frequently but don't have as many interesting things going on yeah that's another thing and I don't know which came first characters in 2x KO have bespoke mechanics per character everybody very interesting stuff something that is another layer of very significant complexity to throw on so hey you know what hey Jimmy Jimmy no God Jimmy not play a fighting game guy alright you want to learn Darius and allow me alright let's teach you about bleed and setting up tentacles on the stage that's like Darius's bleed mechanic is the easiest by far and that is still more than an average fighting game if you give a fuck though which admittedly jumping online with a buddy and pulse comboing is bro you're totally right I loved it when mean you sat next to each other on the couch and jumped online that's that's that's the killer that hurt me so the fact that they the couch shit was not there I'm gonna that's the blow-up I'm gonna fucking carry with me forever I don't know why you even made it a tag game if you cannot have two people sit on a couch and play it is that is absolutely and I know counter to the game's own like stated goal and I know that like the inherent issue there is because of modern online account systems as opposed to back in the day when it was like who the fuck cares you're just playing together go they'll just duplicate the primary user account right but nowadays online account systems and each controller being tied to a profile like I remember like there's ways around this but I do remember you know like 360-hour compliance where it was like no a controller must be tied to a profile and you can't just do you can't just duplicate controllers etc and then you can get waivers and so on and nowadays you can do other things but regardless people don't care about that they want to just sit there and play with their friend on the couch that's a ridiculous thing to not do now whatever the case is though again as this is not a post-mortem I'm kind of like this is a fun game to play I'm like glad that it's not you know a death announcement and that we know that there's a set amount of content that is coming for a while now but yeah man it's a fucking bummer when of course you just see like yeah a bunch of people that you know use people that have the ability to like work on games like this like the you know the the nerd Josh's and your hosties of the world and stuff and all the people that are there FGC people that you know I know you don't really get these opportunities in North America that often if ever right if you live in Japan you got a bunch of studios where you can go get a gig if you're like a Washi gay which is the player who was a competitor who's a competitive fighting and player and now he's like the Street Fighter 6 battle planner right and like you have the opportunity to go land a gig there or go land you'll get an ArcSys or go land to get bandai Namco or whatever you know but like a fighting game project like this in North America it's extraordinarily rare so you got this and you know I would say to like invincible versus also like brought in some people that that we recognize you have a bit of a weird thing to where like over the time frame that this game was announced and what eventually did release there was a dearth of tag fighters at the time and that got filled up right quick and around the time of release we were looking at like why is there so many people fighting for the throne of Marvel versus Capcom when there was so much silence but a few years ago you know so yeah I think I think that like the idea of the free-to-play fighter is something that can you know it can be sustainable it can be something that can make money it can be something that can get people on board I think the idea of the fighting game that breaks containment and bercrobs the the fucking Jesus that doesn't exist that's not what the genre is I don't think it'll ever necessarily be that there's only one point in time that could have ever been possible like literally in the history of the world there was only one point in time the street fighter to arcade machine no so project L got announced on October 16th 2019 if instead of being announced to be in development despite the fact that it had been in development for three years at that point it was releasing in October of 2019 five months before the pandemic with the only fighting game that had rock solid netcode and thus a giant audience of people to play a fighting game because they're stuck in their homes all the time then yes that game could have broken containment would be very popular regardless ff 14 like it looks like it doubled its goddamn subscriber number during that time and that was all already established in my mouth but still yeah I think though like I think optimal conditions and timing would make a huge difference for sure I think there's a limit on the level of general interest for you know the genre and I'm someone who you know I've had this discussion with the Reggie many times I used to believe in the savior and I no longer do right that savior doesn't exist that's not a concept that applies that that whatever that's gonna realistically happen in this way but it doesn't need saving it's fine right just play and enjoy the games you like what I think you're describing though in optimal conditions where everybody where it comes out it's pandemic everyone's at home netcode is is good and everyone recognizes their League of Legends characters and they jump on board and play with their friends together this thing would break through and reach for the heights of Mortal Kombat you know that would actually be awesome but that's that's the mountaintop right yeah like it would go as it would reach through and break containment and be as possible as MK this is now I need to make one complaint sure I like the way the game looked in 2019 oh the shading like a completely different game mm although I prefer the art style now but more than anything and I can't get over it because it goes to like my roster complaints the stage that they are playing in in that five second bit of gameplay is a desert stage mm from a place called Sharima mm-hmm which meant that in that version of the game a zeer was planned to be a fighter that location implies a character the game is way more interesting version of the game that we have now because it does not have a zeer yeah but unfortunately though I feel like the scope of the team the team cut and this discussion is now beyond the roster pick discussion right I feel like this is a I think that had they not rebooted this game multiple times we could have gotten a game in which we were splitting hairs about a roster because the roster had 20 to 24 to 30 people in it and it was a solo game so we didn't feel like the roster was halved and then me and you griping about the roster would be like like the same way we gripe about Street Fighter roster right but it just it wouldn't be this massive profitable thing under that those circumstances right you you and then the other thing too is you can go like all right let's pull back on like if you have you know good fast cheap pick too right and then you go all right you get your giant roster and you get your I'm only bringing I don't truly believe this but I'm only bringing it up because I've seen people talking about it but like making it a 1v1 more simple approach thing right but let's say it plays like blade strangers you know like let's say it's like and it's nothing interesting at all or or not even that let's be as generous as possible it is a reskin of rising thunder they they just reskin then awesome you get great you get yeah you get out you get a decent fighter that has a bunch of characters people love and stuff in that I is that enough your so the issue I have here is that I think this game had had 10 years of leeway and that leeway got to exist whether or not it was in development or out hmm right if they had built this out in three years they probably would have gotten like multiple years of like nah let us but bro it been in dev for so long mm-hmm it's crazy I don't want to sympathize with some number crunching psycho management piece of shit but like it's been in depth for so long and the idea that you go in and go how's it doing they go it's doing okay what the fuck man we were making best friends videos when this shit started development it's it's the 10 years wild and the thing too I remember what the timeline was the part where it was like the timer started in everyone's brains not upon project announcement but upon riot acquiring radiant right when when they bought out the rising thunder company it was like oh we know what this means and that's when the actual clock started regardless of the announcements and that's also when the clock started for riot yeah we just bought a company and they'll probably expect some kind of return on investment um what I will say is um that like yeah I again I'm happy that it's not like just completely fucking dead I've whoever believes in it and whatever is left there I would like to imagine a possibility of like stabilizing and then maybe some sort of comeback story here but that's right now it's the the writing does not look good on the wall at the very least again if we have another year of content or so then cool we'll see what happens in the meantime and for our obviously everyone that's unemployed in the middle of this video game crash that fucking sucks it was nice to see that everyone on the team is getting six months of severance um that's that is quite great that is quite a good bit of of handling that you don't see other other people getting fired in the in the these situations getting so um you know very cool to see that and like again it's just like man I wish it was as simple as yeah and there's other studios working on games like this where these talented people can like just you know switch jump over to and like start working on but it's like there's just there's just not that many in North America you know um but yeah uh uh that is a that is a solid half year of of of you know uh those people being taken care of after putting many years into the game so um you know that's nice to hear let's see what happens I need to I need to I have one last thing that I have to say and it's about the the numerical thing I saw a really fantastic reply to me going what the fuck ah you know this is happening and somebody in my comments um said I can't believe that two xko players all of my opponents of which I know for a fact have spent like a hundred dollars because you can see are being told that that's not enough to keep development going the way that it is because you're you're you're like like time price like you're seeing the spike of that the weight of that 10 years is cranking those skin numbers up you know it's what you're seeing I think that I don't know if it's a factor of riots above the company decision and how they would ask for the the price to go and I don't know about like what what is it because there's like a large upfront cost or whatever um all the characters being locked sorry six characters being locked out of the tiny roster is is not great it's not super exciting but on top of that the sticker shock on a costume is above it's too high it's it doesn't like they have the rotating shop to like activate your like oh no I could miss it it's high enough that that's not activating enough and you're only going to play two characters and what I yeah well and so what I saw is like just the the people saying that like oh yeah but they figured this out with valorant already so they're taking the they're taking the economy lessons they learned from their other genres where this made money and applying it here doesn't make any sense because valorant is is catering to degenerate counter strike and I saw and then I saw other people like posting like um what happens when the fgc meets real video game economies right and you're seeing like this type of fucking rotating shop shit and all that stuff that fucking the the FOMO systems and all that shit that sucks so remember when we talked about a peak and the peak devs were like eight dollars eight dollars is actually five dollars yeah right okay right and all that a fucking skin in 2x ko costs the same as street fighter buying the gate yes cost of buying a day yeah yeah it is full and it's impossible to separate like you can obviously get it with the coins and the credits and all that shit and the thought is there will like this is four whales that care about the cosmetics that much that is that is four whales then put the whole shop up available right now so that everyone can they can just go crazy whatever they want yeah yeah the the rotating shit is i god damn hate it um one more one less you know how what happens when i see the rotating shit is like oh i really want that cost i can't fucking i can't fucking justify twenty eight dollars on a fucking blitz crank skin that's fucking absurd and you know what yesterday before all of this happened i bought that blitz crank skin and you know what the thought that pushed over my good sense was i got paid my winnings from the box jam slam okay sure so my brain went actually 2x ko paid me okay but most people aren't in that situation i'm i'm very simple about it in that i'm like if especially if it's a free to play a game where i'm like no i like this i enjoy this this much i can put a i can put a number there and go yep i i do right i'm willing to do that if i want this and i'm enjoying this this much um the idea of the like i mean it feels like we're so far beyond the like you know don't reward the predatory practice world we are no that we're infinitely beyond that shit um but uh one thing before i forget what i was going to say we're going back we're talking about the the version of the game that could have been just fine which would have been no one would have been mad at reskin rising thunder with a bunch of leagall legend characters right here's the thing i think that game could have come out and existed and probably have side skirted some of the troubles they're having now um i feel like you know for better and for worse the ambitions of like the team and the people who acquired uh the team they're looking at this the way they're looking at valorant and and league and all their other games where it's like you're not just going to enter into the space and not transform it in some way we want to like make something and do something that stands out aside from even just the characters or whatever right and so for in this case the whole 2v2 the co-op the duo's thing is the identity thing that kind of made them i think push forward as hard as they did with this design because it is true that like no one had ever really uh capitalized on this streetfight across tech and fucking didn't do anything with it and you know duo and crews in in smash isn't really the same thing so like i think the vision of yes this will be big because of the league characters but also getting you and your buddy to sit down and play together which again we just addressed one of the issues there um was part of why they wanted to push beyond the idea of just making the rising thunder reskin right i don't believe that because they say it so how come i can't so how come you can't do it yeah like yeah and i and i seriously and i think you spend all this time in dev and i bet you that's our goal and i and it comes out and you just like you can't do it and i bet you i bet you it's probably because it's like oh shit let's rebalance the game to not be as nuts let's get the fight the fighting to be not as tedious let's work on oh my god these characters are complex the shit's going on fuses got reworked all these the the the burst system all that stuff and then getting ranking to work a certain way and then you're kind of like okay um couch co-op which is harder to do on consoles is on the list of things but it's not in the highest priority when i think it should have been but it i can see that being something was like yeah we we're talking about it and we'll get around to that in a season or two or whatever the case you know hey i want to play a game right now and this is the least fair most disingenuous game possible and i'm sorry to anybody who worked on this that here's this and goes this guy doesn't know what he's talking about because it's quite possible that i do i would have traded every single minute of development time on every fuse in the game for having couch co-op in this in it yeah it's it's and that's a that's a two because one you remove uses from the game which are a like a huge part of the games like gameplay loop problems yeah no i i agree i i agree with that i want to know which came first fuses or the understanding that the roster was going to be really small because to me fuses feel like a non-unified system to make brahm feel like five characters i think you take the knowledge of games like um you know you marvel games where you have different assists and then you have like cvs2 where you have different grooves and then those make the characters play fundamentally differently you have a lot of people on the teams that are like you know uh that admire those designs and remember fondly games where you have lots of different ways to play the same characters and i think you then also bring in the idea which again didn't work out perfectly but the idea of and if you want to do juggernaut you can but it didn't but it didn't turn out to be the thing that we were hoping it would be right you think warrants like it's actually the same and you're fine to play as a single player character because you're just you're not right it's not i think juggernaut might be like the best example of why the fuze system was like a massive waste of time it was because they're spending balanced time balancing juggernaut at low levels because juggernaut at low levels is crazy like when you're just starting out juggernaut is super strong but then it becomes a joke at higher levels because freestyle and 2x are so good and it's like why don't you just not have any of those and i think too as well like because i don't think this fuses are a waste of time when i think of like but when i think of the people that are playing it that are like hey we know like fighting games and whatever their main thing the the team that's balancing and working on that stuff is like we're working on the does the fighting game play fun part of this and then the then the team that's working on the can you sit here online with your friend on the couch and go is like they're not the same people right but still the can you go online with your friend on the couch people even though the people that have to figure that out are not the fgc people that got hired this is still a higher priority feature that should be top of mind like there's no there's no there's no getting around that there's there's two guys having like a really silly semantic argument in the live chat right now and one of them is super right and it's super wrong and it's it's that sejant put out a really great video you last week about why freestyle is so popular at the higher levels and it's because the games meta keeps shifting to what is a really broken thing x character can do with certain fuse right so like team oh like ruled the roost with double down because and also a jinks for a little bit because team oh got to do a fucking ridiculous stupid thing with double down that other people couldn't do but now that we still have the echo yasuo arie hegemony or what if you want to call it um they excel in freestyle because of the way that their assists work and since they're the best that it's the freestyle show also in sheer numbers because i didn't see that video but i will say that in sheer numbers uh every fuse creates a um oh let's call it a cortisol spike i like that right there is a there is a cortisol spike that occurs when you're fighting against the fuse and when you're fighting against freestyle it happens twice right yeah there's a moment where you're worried about what your opponent's about to do when their double assist is coming out or you know with their double downing and switching over to their partner but when you're seeing a freestyle you see it happen once and it's not over yet you have to continue being like oh and then what right so yeah yeah um the only way around it is to lab your jester gooning of course um well i like where the the fuses are in the situation where it's having these wild swings of it's double downs patch it's two x's patch it's restyle's patch and it's like the the fucking point of the things is being lost because who is really good but i i dominate with one while we're pulling out the magnifying glass and getting into these things though i i mean i don't want this to make it seem as if like and without that this would have made all the money you know it's like no if only they had listened to me if guy who's never worked on a game in his life pat we've already established this that if the game had my favorite characters the game would have been successful okay well i'm gonna stop you right there i'm gonna stop you right there because there is a there's a there's a world there's a world no no no there is there is a genuine pearl of truth in that statement was because the opposite version of that statement is true which is this doesn't have my favorite character i'm not interested and the more people that is true for the worse and right now that's true for a weirdly huge amount of people who are into league of legends yeah and and i think too as well like when it comes to the um not even like the the functions discussion but more so okay game simple no fuses just well made 1v1 fighting games made in north america um that are fun good to play uh what what do we got out there well there's one on my shirt right now called punch planet i didn't know where punch planet was made it's literally right here and this is a great game that has nothing complex going on with it it's the it's like street fighter fucking 2 and it's got a bunch of cool characters and yeah it exists and it's it's there's it's fucking great but there you know it's not league of legends characters you know you know what if i can have one more magnifying glass moment uh and it's it relates to the canon specifically um because back in 2016 the cannons were the potential to be heroic figures like these dudes are gonna fucking save fighting games gg gg gpo netcode man ggpo is the fucking ggpo is gonna save fighting games well i'll tell you what it did it did fucking eventually get every one of these stubborn studios to fix their bullshit yeah absolutely and guess what happened the cannons who saved fighting games with ggpo got to watch fucking street fighter come out with their dream which is hey big fighting game with good netcode yeah years before them you missed it yeah like it should you guys should have been first you should have been the fighting game that every week for the entire csv podcast ever me and you were going what the fuck is going on with capcom why can't they have netcode like project l this is bullshit it's been years but instead street fighter six came out and street fighter six has incredible netcode and strife came out has great netcode and now instead of being like i can't believe there's a fighting game that's free and has the best netcode and you can play it oh my god instead it's like oh yeah fighting games have good netcode now and here's another one with good netcode yeah no so so to honestly to put a bow on it it's basically like um you know bummer that fun game has half its team size you know let go but also this this game this project has been given an insane amount of grace and i'm you can only be so surprised i guess after the amount of time but i'm still like and i'm looking at the messages too of like the team that are like you know like hey i just got let go still believe in this game and hoping it does well and stuff and like yeah i hope so too you know um i really like to x ko i i'm playing it every day i'm hoping for the best man i'm hoping for the best asks me at seven in the morning am i going to play the kitty cat game because i play team oh right right and i i go yes and i play 15 to 20 minutes of the kitty cat game yeah and i i'm climbing up through emerald with team oh and blitz and you know and uh but what i but like i said it is it's not a postmortem and um you know as it's just it is a hype dampener and like let's see what the fuck just turns you know what i want them to tell us next week genuinely what would actually like soothe some of my chest what are the characters that are going to come out this year just straight into the uh the i i think like i maybe it's because it's a free to play game and maybe straight into the season pass a different thing it feels weird that this game that they want us to be excited for long term i don't know if the character that i like will be coming to it they could do that they could basically go all right here's our timeline and then they can put a point where they go this is what we have planned up for the next you know 12 or 24 months and then they can just go like after that we'll have to see what state we're in but uh yeah i don't think it would be a bad idea because you do want to do something to raise spirits at this point and get people give people a you know a reason to to give a fuck um or or like not feel as bummed out as they currently do if the game's going to continue hold on somebody's in this live chat is actually useful today someone says that our our opinions on how the game won't die are gonna age like milk no no no no no we're saying it's not going to die this year and we'll see what will happen later but they have committed to puroting out this year's worth of stuff of the 2026 correct me if i'm wrong but riot so they tend to it seems like let shit like they're giving they gave it a terror still exists it's just a a skeletal husk right right so like yeah it's not there is no promise of this continuing to get updated or content or anything or whatever um after what is already made is coming but like let's see what that turns into you know and i'm imagining the idea of keeping it going is that in the time frame that what's already being worked on is then scheduled to come out um let they can see where the game is at what it's making and whether it makes sense to continue going or not right um but it seems like they don't pull the plug easily over there compared to other places so i you know if you if i'd be measuring anything at any other studio by standard metrics i'd be like oh yeah they would have killed this a million years ago for various reasons but like they let shit rock so i'm like all right if we're doing it let's see what this but what this becomes because yeah it's a fun game you know that's it um also i think they should have hit echo and yasuo and aria and timo with that nerf bat within like a couple of weeks hit him harder like like like i think it was nuts that for season zero of that game that a roster of 11 was actually a roster of four i think that is crazy yeah the balance stuff and yasuo and echo are still the best characters in the game it's not and some of that is like it's like the some of that is the kit right the identity was built too good the identity of the kit if the moves they have being faithful like you can't turn echo into something that's not echo and echo on paper is one of the sickest fighting game character designs ever get you know gameplay wise what he's doing is rad as shit and if i didn't have to fight against it i'd be cheering that that fucking down each in the air with yasuo fucking haunts my shit it's so dirty but these are but but but these are these these are these are different these are multiple different conversations yeah no they are separate from the the large one and only yasuo and that double overhead the game he doing gangbusters right now my time my time killed 2x ko yeah it's it's ridiculous you know um and i mean yo there were a lot of people prize there are a lot of people out there praying on the downfall you know and and they prayed harder they prayed they did like they did pray harder you know what man i gotta tell you i had a preview that this was gonna happen like in my gut mm-hmm because i did uh i did the katelin stream mm-hmm like katelin came out i just dream of it and i started up a private lobby so all right guys come on hop in like one guy uh like you've done like street fighter six community events right yeah and there's like a line down the fucking fighting yeah i had i had a room full of people when i did the 2x ko but um some of and like admittedly like some people like i remember solace couldn't join kizuzan a european server or whatever yeah but like the one that i did was with um katelin and it was the console launch what day was it out of curiosity well it was to it was to okay it was Tuesday evening so it was right after the podcast okay i used it was the podcast that week was okay sidebar i used to do getting to fighting games on thursdays um and when we jump online i would get very little matches with people moved it to the weekends saturdays because guess what that's when people are home on a saturday night looking to jump online and play some games so midweek is honestly just not as like good for a random fighting game afternoon i've noticed the switch i would the switch over made a difference when i when i changed it up yeah um yeah anyway anyway anyway that's a whole lot uh uh on the on the subject but uh there's other stuff going on thresh would have saved it just saying just saying well even thresh is like even though thresh could be dropping in fucking three months time he could be dropping in like four weeks yeah you know what yeah he's not it'll be driven probably um and the correct thresh not this fucking handsome human guy thresh bullshit on heimer dinger would have saved 2xk oh man heimer dinger would have ruined that game right out of the game that would have been that would have been unbelievable i mean i will say this like it does this is a as someone who's used to playing games that like i'm playing something and i'm continuing to enjoy it while people around me are going like you're shitting and gloomin shits dead fuck off whatever like yeah this game now this game now fully enters that right like you can just play and again still enjoy your game while people are like going like it's it's dead or whatever but um i'm like okay well that was really quick for this one that does have an effect though right and it definitely has for people who are getting into 2xk or into 2xk has a monetary effect on your willingness to buy the overpriced costumes when the the existence of the game is a question mark yeah and this is a quantifiable thing um you know me i don't like it too much but riding the wave matters and like as somebody i'm someone who's like if i like a thing i'm just gonna play it on my time when i feel like it as i want to but if you are a if you're a newcomer to something being there with the wave is a huge part of what'll make you want to stick around and anything that interrupts that wave is crucial it can it can be detrimental we used to before we rehashed it a million times in a row we used to get the question all the time hey you guys seem really excited about fighting games what fighting game should i get into and our answer was universally the most popular fighting game right now whatever whatever year if he answered that question it was always whatever the sting the game with the most players was right then if it looks cool to you was my caveat yeah if it looks cool because if you look at tecann and go i'm not that's not for me this again the don't don't don't yeah but like when when street fighter six had been out and it was street fighter six is like wave we were like this was street fire six when it was strive it was strive when it was Mortal Kombat we said fucking don't and what and you know what i and don't what does happen and i've watched this occur in real life is i've watched people come in for Street Fighter 4 kind of just you know ride the wave with everybody and play it and then go like oh yeah these are pretty fun and then randomly go like oh what's this shit over is that melty melty but what the fuck is it oh whoa hey this is kind of sick too and then just fall down a pipeline and then before you know it you're in discord calling out unimatches right trying to get uni two sets running and you're like you know you've you've demonstrated that you're somebody that is like willing to go that hard for the one thing that you you love and you're you're okay living in a world of like you and 50 other people who you know by name will be playing this game forever you know and that's fine for some um but if you are somebody who joins and is like i want to get into third strike right now and you jump on fight cade you just get ready to die you just hey hey hey hey you get wazzled right you get wazzled you get turned into a justin wong you get turned into a justin wong youtube video is what happens 2019 and i'd still wash anybody who starts i'm gonna get in the fight is that how you want to go do you want to go forgotten dead in a justin wong wasler compilation that's that's no way to go that's no way to leave this mortal coil man there's a pc gamer our article this morning about this and uh the late i think her name's molly i can't remember her last name but she basically said the fighting game community is extremely strong as in like resilient but it's small true and she basically goes through the article i'm like who the fuck was this game for was it for league players then why is it so to generate is it is it for existing fighting game players then why is it a niche within a niche i think it's right like i think the answer to that question is like i said a little bit of everyone low ceiling low floor high ceiling i think that marlin pie that's who the fuck it was it was for marlin pie and it was for the biggest characters and it was you're gonna have to deal with them and it was for combo fiend so that when warwick crosses you up and wall bounces you he goes oh you know yeah yeah and and and it is for those people i played in ranked where there's like one like echo who's really really good but there's like a dairies who barely knows how to play and like the two players have a name that shows that they're almost like a couple or something you know and you're playing like people like some friends or a partners playing together and you're like okay okay okay they're like one person is showing their partner how to play the game and they're spending their friday night playing together and which i fought a bunch of teams like that and i was like that's cool i wish that was more so you know the thing and this this is like this is this is pure anecdotal gut right and it's based off of my ranking i think less people are playing the game now that the console versions have come out than they did in season zero and i say that because um the people i'm fighting in emerald right now are stronger than the people that i fought in master on the way to grandmaster uh like that i think i think the population of the game got crunched because people are much stronger at lower ranks than they were last month so it did get crunched because the number well also it's also because like the numbers were lower and then slowly slowly scaled up and so did skill right um but uh yeah there was that initial ranking period like it it did compress for sure um and then the other thing too is the effect of the new lobbies um has been that like you are physically in lobbies with like wilder ranges of skill exactly you know so you're seeing you you used to be in a room with less people but you're all within the same range and now you're in a room full of people but there's beginners that have never played and sonic fox there with you at the same time you know yeah uh anyway okay moving on um how was your week my week was great i had a great week wonderful week starting off i was at a concert on sunday would you go see i went to see uh final fantasy new worlds out in beautiful victoria on vancouver i'm not distant worlds no distant worlds is the other one okay distant worlds is the really really really big one which we missed because we forgot about it and so we went to new worlds which is a smaller scale concert it's like a more intimate yeah uh concert um so did they ran into we ran into some of the boys there some two gentlemen who recognized us they were very friendly hey guess what you and not weird if you go to a video game concert in a city you are highly yes you're going to run into people who who know us yeah um uh had had some had some particular bangers i did a little little weeby concert cry over certain picks that being said pretty good excellent performance some minor nitpicks that i i don't know i don't go to enough of these to know if they're minor enough uh no track list or set list at all oh so walked in going i wonder what they're going to play okay unusual um which is kind of strange because like final fantasy is there's there's a couple songs uh in that series yeah no program yeah so distant worlds does have a program and they you see what's going to be on it but there's a couple of hidden ones obviously the biggest bangers are like surprises to get the pop off the audience um you're also the thing with these concerts to keep in mind is they're touring but like the the musicians aren't touring the musicians are local right so conductor was definitely touring yes that's because he's the conductor of the guy who does distant worlds so so the conductor and a couple of the people on the will go to a city and they'll find local um orchestras and work with them to play the songs you know and that's how these these concerts are like uh uh i get possible you know or whatever uh but i i found it i thought it was a really it was a very strict because man final fantasy has got a lot of fucking music and i've listened to it at some point over decades right mm-hmm it's kind of a strange experience to be listening to an orchestrated rendition of a song that you know but you can't quite place because there's too many options right like i didn't want to spend the entire rendition of find your way from ff8 going is this one from eight or nine they didn't put it up on the screen no oh they would say afterwards and that was force your way and then find your way okay there were some moments where i was like which one is this okay which like maybe i'm not a big enough of a fan but considering the music spans all the way to fucking 87 yeah that's tough this is very much sounding like location and you know show makes a difference right yeah uh because i've been to a couple of them here and there's a screen you can tell exactly what's playing because it's on the fucking screen and the sprites or the models are doing their thing while they're playing as well yeah i that that's distant worlds has that yeah um but a new world apparently doesn't okay um and on top of that i think that uh there were there were some songs i did not expect to hear that i was thrilled to hear um i got to hear close in the distance which i was not expecting i got to hear insatiable which i was not expecting um and a couple of others i don't think there was a single song from six at all damn and that was like me and page because page is like adoration goes from the year 2000 back and the um the concert was like overwhelmingly from the year 2001 onwards right yeah very that's really weird yeah i guess it's just such a thing because i'm like they're always gonna hit like they're not gonna do a bunch of it but you're gonna hit dancing mad like that's also that's gonna almost be a guarantee being a nitpicky little bitch but um when the conductor who is uh i think he's the guy who's running the show was uh started the show with besaid island right besaid the f of 10 very good rendition he's like and that was besaud island oh no final fantasy 10 and me and page were like what like like just just like this like brother no brother how could you yeah okay um but overall it was a it was a very pleasant very nice concert but that i i i was a little nitpicky about it um um uh wait a little bit and distant worlds will come back around yeah i know and catch one of those because like yeah that that should be a lot better because i yeah a lot of those things were not happening there uh it actually just made me go man i gotta go to distant worlds like that was that was the takeaway from it um on top of that so that was a nice experience uh got to play a couple of games this week i did a sponsored stream for no man's sky yesterday did you and i'm and i'm doing a sponsored stream for no man's sky this monday as well interesting what are they is interesting what are they selling i don't know what's happening with no man's sky that they're all of a sudden like hey man because it is a it is a fairly concerted push huh but no a double sponsored stream and a tick tock um is not like the usual that is a that is a big push there's gotta be something dropping either there's the final update is on the way or they're getting ready to transfer off of no man's sky promotion and on to light no fire promotion right and so there's a lot more marketing going back to no man's sky like 10 years later man it's really nuts to see just like it might as it feels like a completely different fucking game like they they've just constantly worked on that thing non-stop the whole time down to the part where i loaded into a a death planet that every single element on that planet was something that i know wasn't in the god damn 2016 version for a second i thought you were pulling a blanket up to your chest yeah it is a blanket it's my stinky blanket it looked like a sheet was coming up and then a dog was attached to it yeah man it is yeah he's a incredible um did you restart um oh yeah yeah okay my old file was i think my old file was so old it was like this is shitting gonna boot the version of this fucking thing is attached to you go fuck yourself okay uh so that was cool i also played uh let's say i played more stardew valley yeah it's the it's the fucking peak uh i played uh some of the monster hunter monster hunter stories three demo they put a lot more work and time and money into this one and they did monster hunter stories one and two like this feels like they really want stories to be like a big boy addition to monster hunter that demo is fucking great it is an aria engine game that runs incredible i was about to ask about how it runs it runs great how about that it looks great and something that is very interesting to me because a lot of the complaints from wilds from a lot of people is that wilds has really like it's streamlined it too much it's it's too new it's too modern um and stories three is like it pretends that it's in a world in which like monster hunter world and wilds didn't come out and it's like obsessed with the design elements and interface and ui of monster hunter like four uh okay like the sound effects which and the menu styling and which makes sense because it's a spin-off so you want to like harken back you know yeah but but also that's like the best that that shit ever felt and looked and my impression too is that from the outside is that monster hunter is one of those franchises that's it's hit a size where every new major entry is also going to be a reboot not reboot but reintroduction essentially yeah of the franchise to the market so what you're describing will continue to happen with each big drop you know yeah so uh that demo is great it's one of those demos that you can continue on words like it's basically the first chapter of the game just came out five months early um yeah no it's great i'm i stop i did the thing where i got to about two and a half hours on the demo i'm gonna stop playing this because i fully intend to start over when it comes out and probably stream it for a little while the very least cool uh no that that thing's great i have high hopes for that i also played some uh backlog stuff uh which uh have you played peglin uh is that peggel i n it's peggel i n that sounds so peglin is does one play this alone or do you play it with your partner now you play it alone peglin is just okay vampires survivors but pachinko it is a pachinko roguelike i don't know how i feel about that it is the fastest i ever put a game on the must buy because i threw one little i i threw one little pachinko ball and it bounced on a bunch of things and then my little goblin shot the monster i was fighting because my points were so high and then i did a lot of flashing lights and i went yeah i'm okay i'm kind of torn here because i i don't like pachinko but i do like lucky hit is that how it is anyway yeah no peglin's awesome peglin's great i also played a very very strange game called refine self the personality test game refine self the personality test game takes place as you as a person playing a video game based off of the experiences of a human ish robot finding themselves and discovering a personality this sounds like a fucking dsi title it does from that and the way that it works is as you side scroll through an environment you pick up items or examine things or talk to people and every single thing you do decreases your battery power no it increases your personality whatever you have 100 timer in the top of the screen and everything thing you do increases it and when you hit 100 the game ends um and it will track literally every single possible thing you could possibly track such as did you go left to right which dialogue did you choose how long did you spend on choosing a dialogue when you did the coffee mini game which version of of items did you give the coffee people how did you handle this guy how did you handle this guy how long did you sit on the menu before making a decision wow just okay okay possible permutation right and it's building up a personality test and it can be like explorer cleric or whatever right and um when you hit 100 you enter into a boss fight and your abilities are determined by your personality that you did okay and then and then i lost that boss fight and it goes would you like to play again and i go uh no i'm good because i'm doing beat the backlog uh and but it is intended for you to make multiple runs through this non game to become strong enough to beat the game okay and at one point i got into an elevator and uh the game says hey you're getting pretty close to 100 but do you want to keep playing you could decrease the meter by 50 for free and so like it's actually like much longer if you desire to go down that path so so this is this uh indie game type three it's a metaphor for depression it is a metaphor for depression okay cool it's about being a sad gay robot yes good yep that's type type three yeah yeah uh it's very cool it's very interesting not my thing but it's cool i played rabbit and steel oh yeah i played that you played rabbit and steel i did play rabbit and steel rabbit and steel is like a fucking it's like a lie it's f it's like a fun real game with rabbits that's ff 14 isn't it did like literally literally ff 14 yeah from the music to the art style of the rabbit to the kits of so woolly i don't know if you played as the the dark knight equivalent um in rat and steel i think i tried they have like they have like a spin they have an attack they have a jump and they have like an invulnerability and it's like i'm looking at that i'm like that's heavy slash that's yeah lunge that's black it's not it's like one to one it's it's absolutely crazy how one to one it is and it is like hey man do you want to play ff 14 raids yeah by yourself or the friends but you played all the ff 14 raids min came over popped it on and i was like oh okay it's it's dive kick or foozies for ff 14 it is the dive kick of f of the ff 14 that's it i just want the meat yeah i just want the meat bunch of people that love this thing made a game about it inside of it and yeah yeah that's it uh as as a game made entirely out of the meat it's pretty good i it's cute uh it has great music it has it has a good gimmick with its roguelike elements about like buffing up your individual skills um i they are they are using every trick in the book like i got most of the way to the end of the first run and i'm like i'm seeing dynamo i'm seeing exa flare i'm seeing uh living liquid style magnet fkn mechanics i'm seeing pizza party into push perfect alexander what's that perfect alexander no oh no they did they did do uh not perfect alexander but they do have some alexander time stop um a pre placement from uh a four savage um and as yeah i know they got piratik and blizzard and all the good stuff um and it's like that's it's it's for degenerates it's it's i got i got the whole hanging standing in the danger spot move out to safety part of the the thing i like i'm like oh this is yeah i get the bit now i understand how it works um uh very cool very cool and the day that i played it they actually came out with like a big dlc that added like extra classes as well so that's awesome cool uh what else is on here we did rabbits and steel we also did oblivion override man you ever have you ever have like a somewhat negative opinion of something and and then like one detail goes in your head and you go oh okay so oblivion override um is made by somebody who clearly likes dead cells a lot like a long yeah yeah i see it in your face i see it in your face yeah yeah yeah yeah so they like dead cells a lot a lot a lot a lot a lot so if you've played dead cells it is go through a side scrolling environment and do combat stuff and kind of castle anyway and then you have doors that don't open because you can get there in time and you have item pickups and meta progression and all the things and man it is exactly the same as fucking dead cells except that it's robots and they're pretty cool robots and you unlock like i think it's like 10 or 12 other classes that are all significantly different so it's not quite as solid or smooth or interesting as dead cells but then you unlock all of the dead cell style mechanics such as you know what you know weapons and and and uh and side weapons and all that stuff on top of a bunch of classes and the classes are all really cool yeah this looks to dead sub oblivion override looks to beat to dead cells what 20 xdx is to mega man absolutely yeah so not not my favorite craziest game but i'm like it's got some it's got enough juice to to be alive in my heart uh and then i played a game that was recommended by my wife page called this bed we made which is awesome this bed we made takes place in 1958 in a town called morel ah um really a fictional hotel uh located about two blocks south of uh st cathrin it's it looks like it's probably already live near where like the national bank building is okay yeah yeah okay but but it lives in that fictional location where if you look out the window you can kind of recognize this the the skyline but it doesn't it doesn't exist on a real street um in which you play a maid and you play a very nosy maid who you know you go through the the the little thing of like um you gotta rinse you gotta wash the sheets and fix the bed and you know those little mini game kind of things but your character is a gossip and a snoop um and as a gossip and a snoop you get embroiled in a murder mystery which includes like going to clean someone's room and finding out that person has a makeshift dark room that has been stalking you um and uh like i you know it's got lots of little choices about hey who do you want to confide in and did you clean up that spill outside the bathroom you didn't okay now pierre slipped and fell and hurt his hip kind of thing like that seems to be big fans of la noir behind this game it's super cool it's like i don't really want to go much more into it yeah um but it is just a super cool concept of basically going around and finding clues and snooping around as a maid as a like a notably gossip nosy nosy nosy little hen like i broke into everybody's lockers and looked at all their fucking bullshit and one of the things about it is that whether or not you interfere with um evidence is one of the factors going forward uh so on almost every single item or piece of evidence in the game you can just decide to throw it away to clean up the room so i just threw away every single piece of evidence i fucking found i just picked i just went through like the guy stalking me's room threw all his pictures away through his medicine away i threw his gun away like just throw it away just your job is to clean the room yeah i cleaned it there you go oh please they'll know somebody was in there oh does she have lexo in fact it's so one of the things that people really did like one of the things that only hits for me and probably for you is that everyone in there has a uh an anglish accent right there is all these anglophones right working in a big hotel in uh in moriel uh of course what uh and the thing is is that it takes place in 1958 1905 revolution away okay right so it's not actually crazy that at the really good hotel it would be voiced entirely by anglophones that being said they are actually supposed to all be french they're just speaking in english for the american audience that wouldn't understand french-accented people of course because they say merde right um and that's it uh yeah it's a really cool one when was charles de gall oh when when de gall came by and did all that bullshit he was like the 70s wasn't he 60s i thought it was 60s de gall comes to kibbe expo 67 it was 67 yeah what a fucking asshole leave like a back leave oh what a piece of shit but most of you don't know in the middle of the quiet revolution in the calls for kibbe sovereignty charles de gall comes from france to fucking talk at expo 67 and stands up and says in french yeah long live independent come back it's like shut up dude cut to the fucking mgs les enfants to ruble timeline from that moment just scroll down you know yeah yeah and then the events occurred um okay what an asshole this bed we made yeah it's a cool one we have to sleep in it yeah but also it's about it's about maids dude uh don't you get it ah this looks very la noir i i'm just gonna say it again last but not least i've been playing uh i got sent a code somebody uh who works over at the people who make roots of pacha noticed that i was getting into cozy games and uh fall i guess they follow me on blue sky uh and they're like hey man you want to try out roots of pacha and they sent me a code for roots of pacha uh that's roots of p a c h a so i will just straight up tell you that there are crawlers for certain genres and like cozy is one of them and you will get cozy maxon and you will get the email that literally says because you played this and this yeah we are 90 minutes after i made the post on we are reaching out very yeah um and um hey there mr stairs at loved your content oh i love it so i get a lot of those yeah and like a lot of them are wrong like a lot of them are like incorrect of course they're formatted incorrectly and they're not good no this is a guy reached out okay uh and i've been playing roots of pacha in the morning uh because it's low stim and the child can see it not not get not get skibbity toilet that out to hell um pacha is really solid uh you're a caveman you're you're cozy maxing your game but you're a caveman and that includes like digging your crops up with like a sharp rock instead of a hoe uh and fishing by bashing fish with a rock in a different type of mini game and its core conceit is that you're not like buying and selling your stuff you are contributing to the clan and you're paying out with like essentially i o u dollars from like goodwill oh you don't own your land what's that you don't own your land nobody owns land there's no such concept of ownership of land in the caveman era woolly oh i okay i thought it's just the land i thought we were going somewhere else for a second all right okay all right um and the one of the bigger gimmicks is that it has no um it has no combat at all okay um and it's replaced combat with puzzles so you go up into like the spirit cave and you're running like mirror puzzles or like uh like very simple like hey the statue has a symbol on it figure out what it means oh it means once a pine cone or you know cranberries or whatever the fuck um uh and it's it's just really really charming uh in particular i really like the way that the tech tree works in that game so in stardew valley you just straight up level up and stardew valley just goes hey you know how to make an oil machine or um or a pickle jar or whatever the fuck right or you know how to make a type of sprinkler in roots of pacha you'll be doing your daily shit and then eventually after you like sing to animals for a while to try and get animal husbandry going somebody would like man there's gotta be a way to go faster animals go faster and then you go and you workshop an idea with them and you provide the materials for them to figure out the idea and then you invent the idea of what if i wrote an animal is it a stick that's crazy right actually it's a saddle in this particular case okay uh or you know you're the first people who've been doing agriculture so your grandpa's like there's gotta be like a better way to keep seeds around and so your your grandpa invents the idea of like a plant nursery right okay uh it's very flintstones uh it's very charming and the music's very good uh i like it i think it's cute yeah i wait it does i'm like a man i'm imagining it's very granular compared to like early age of empires one like starting in the stone age of empire starting in the stone age that's a arp that's a real-time strategy man um yeah but in just in terms of like developing inventions and affecting oh no it's it's it's it is a tech tree it's just couched in the idea of like idea making okay okay cool uh and that's pretty much it i'm gonna be playing mugenics later today yes i'm going to be playing mugenics as soon as the podcast is over i'm gonna check that out say goodbye to you and then i'm going to get up and pee and then come back and start the mugenic stream um uh yeah i think i'm gonna i'm gonna check that out um either tomorrow or on saturday but yeah i want to i want to take take a peek i fucked around with it for about 20 minutes yesterday and i was like this is definitely good enough to for me to go right off the podcast right okay okay there's just like an overwhelming amount of charm it's very cool i like into the fucked up kitty breach well yeah i also have a fucked up kitty and and page old bray page is gonna bring over the the elmo so we can hang out with him because he has he doesn't show up on stream anymore because we don't want to bring him across the yard but he's 17 and he's alive god damn it okay um it's his time so i'm very interested in that that'll be over twitch.tv slash pat stairs at and youtube.com slash pat stairs at slash live cool um break or or switch yeah i could go for a pee okay what about you could you go for a pee yes that means yes burb this week the podcast is sponsored by Shopify if you're getting your business started if you're trying to figure out how to sell a thing online uh Shopify is the easiest way to do that 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for a platform fighter and uh he jumped on stream with me reggie and our friend squirty mcfish who um is also a heavy platform fighter player and where it was able to like kind of show us what was going on with it the reason why it stands out and is notable is because it is a platform fighter it's a smash like but it heavily leans into traditional fighting game mechanics as well so um yeah i think i was mentioning it before but you can knock people off the stage or you can just beat them up till they hit 200 damage on their life bar and then you die right there are stages where it's like you can get knocked off the sides left and right but then there's just a wall and you can just go fight in the pit and just fight you know playfoot seas jump off the wall hit each other attack and just go like yeah fuck recovery i'm gonna kill you you know um so i love that part of the game that's really sick uh it also has um i guess the word would be like standardized hit stop where what i would mean by that is in in smash brothers when you're doing a combo to your opponent a lot of the times they can like use their stick to like di to like wiggle out of this where they are and like not continue you can not continue the combo based on where your opponent's holding the stick you know um in this game it's more like a fighter where you land a pit you do your next hit you can do a combo you know you can be a combo devil uh you land a light you can go into uh well so this someone he explained something to me uh tilts in smash brothers which is like the attack you do whole tilting the stick forward is like a medium and i was like oh i never piece that together so just tapping a is jab tilting to the stick forward is like a medium and then a smash attack is a heavy you know um so yeah it lets you just kind of fight like the the ways you kind of know how um it's got supers so characters can do literally like a a motion input and land a super with their meter or you can do ex moves instead and spend your meter like that too you know lots of cool stuff that is just like oh yeah okay this is this is the bones of you know the games that i'm familiar with and my favorite thing probably about it that was really fun when we were playing is um i am ass at edge guarding wall and edge hogging and offstage play because it's terrifying it's so scary to be safely on the stage and you've knocked your opponent off and you're telling me i have to go jump over the death pit to hit them and kill them and then land back safely and not die what the fuck i can't do that shit super hard i was like playing smash ultimate i was like i'm gonna start edge guarding and what i actually meant was i'm gonna start just throwing my ass off the stage and killing myself yeah yeah like it was so funny because um our friend the squirty mcfish who was who came over like at one point when i was playing against him reggie was like hey can you emulate like like a platinum or like a gold ranked player and he's like uh okay yeah sure while he was fighting against me and then he started doing things like rolling around a bunch hitting me off the stage and then he'd go to the edge of the stage and while i'm recovering he's like charging up a big attack and it's like oh god that's totally me that's me using ike knocking you off the stage and then i go to the edge of the stage and go uh while you're trying to recover and that's the best i can do that's you know that's also me yeah exactly like exactly the call out like was so fucking real i'm charging the b going oh i hope he tries to land now and um you know when you're fucking you know when you get good at these games you're like nah i knocked you off and i'm already in the air chasing after you to spike you down and then i can so good i can recover underneath the stage back onto it and flex and fucking do a taunt or whatever and i'm like that's it's terrifying it's so scary i always die so in this game um stages have walls a lot of stages have walls on the extremities and like on the platform you're on and when you land on them you cling to them like mega man x so recovering you can wall hop up you know and you can then stay on the stage a little bit like you eventually slide down and then die but it means that you can both be on the wall fighting vertically and recovering is not as scary because as long as you cling you can then like try to make it back up you know it's so cool it's much more it feels more intuitive to like me playing like platformers and like again like a mega man game or any game where you cling to a wall you know it just like it taps into that and i feel much more confident jumping off the stage to kill you and that was huge it made it so much more fun to be like yeah i i knocked you away and now i'm jumping on the far wall way over there to like climb up get a spike and then try to recover you know vertical combat is super sick and no other smash like game has anything like that i've seen so um good shit combo devils looking really fun characters are kind of fun the fun designs as well picked a mohawk dude with the ava unit color unit one colors and that was it say less but they've got a that's why he looks like that yeah i saw that guy i was like what a strange just oh yeah okay and then you said that i'm like oh that's what they're going for it's unit one in a tracksuit you know um and then they've got reum a cloud is what i'm just literally just fucking fox fox chotto you know um and a cool character with like a spear and like a bat and stuff and just a bunch of like fun original characters overall it has a aesthetic feel and soundtrack that's very much like lethal league third strike you know it looks like there should be a two mellow song in the game there currently isn't but it looks like there should be if you know what i mean really specific poll yeah yeah it's that vibe so um i mean the the sound the the there is a i forgot the lyrics to it but like the character select theme is like yeah let's go make your first pick come on y'all like it's like no it's like it's like character select uh yeah let's go it's like you it's right there i don't and it sounds dope it sounds great i forgot what the words are but fuck it you know um yeah that makes sense anyway uh very cool game i really like uh combo devils and uh yeah go check out the Kickstarter if you if you like the sound of what i'm describing the episode is up to as well shout outs to uh korshmel i had a little special um project uh go live so uh i have been keeping an eye on um kill six billion demons is a cool comic that i talked about not too long ago things about it it's fucking awesome and uh the creator of that went on to make a really cool tabletop game called Lancer and uh over on that way does that got the robots in it he puts the robots in it and uh so when me and john wanted to do a little tabletop thing and check out the game lancer and i reached out to one tom abaddon and uh he was like yeah sure i'll i'll DM for y'all so the creator of lancer and kills six billion demons is DMing a campaign and it was fucking cool to just play this robot game um and also he drew some art as well of of my character of our characters and stuff and just such a cool fucking dude and and like as someone who has not tabletopped since high school i feel super rusty at just like improvising and coming up with interesting things and stuff on the fly like i can definitely feel there's moments where it's like okay the prompt is you walk in and do something or say something interesting and i'm like uh bro so when i was playing dnd i was like fucking stream every day i got this all right what do you do uh uh uh uh yeah uh i'll uh yeah hello like i like everything i need time to plan if you give me time to plan i'll i'll bring you some cool shit but under pressure i do not perform well so uh i'm looking back on it and i'm like ah fuck i wish i had time to think about this stuff a little bit more but overall um yeah i i uh you know i had a lot of fun i'm playing a french ass frenchman uh not a but oh proper frenchman frenchman pakistan um and um i've got a i've got a robot called jenniman please stop and uh yeah it's just a it's just a cool little dnd thing going on over there not dnd lancer um not dming gming right because dming is trademarked wizards of the coast or whatever the fuck i didn't even realize that was a thing but like the dungeon masters you don't you you don't use that for for non dungeons and dragons games apparently uh yeah game master depending yeah so anyway uh that's out now you can go check that out um versus wolves lancer uh continued playing some more expedition 33 and i uh we were playing some more yesterday hit a little bit of a wall and um really not not the worst more just like um without taking the time to uh kind of like fully optimize builds and um doing a little like not really scraping but you know some exploration but not a ton of it um basically like reggie was hitting uh the floating manner flying manner and doing not as much damage as he should have been for the level he was at telling you to nut up yeah and so just looking at the characters in the builds i was like okay so far uh i've shown him um i like of all the like i basically like he got through all the flashback um quests and i was like okay now let me tell you about the the broken shit and i showed him like the standall build right and uh that has been like okay you melt this boss you melt this boss okay cool this is the nerfed version i didn't even have you know i didn't have a cohesive build the entire time i just went does this skill increase damage yes it's going on that's it that was right right right f*** defense that's it that's it and so and so walking into this area and seeing like oh you're not hitting anywhere near as hard as you should but we're doing a low defense high damage build or our gameplay style like we've got to go back and rework some of this but like some of it is like i didn't actually have to go back and like sort a lot of this out on my own so we kind of stopped the session and i was like okay i'm gonna go figure out what you need and what's missing because there's some pickdose for example that could help to put it all together get the synergy better but right now it's like for the level you're at we should be hitting these things harder and it's currently not happening you know i went to go back in that entire game that i actually made was a very so basic attack burn build okay yeah i had the sword that just gives like f***ing 10 burn on hit yeah yeah yeah and i was just like okay everything that says burn yeah goes on this character and then but so i started trying that out for example because what you can do is verso burn build sets up uh myel doing burning canvas right but to make him efficiently stack burn putting all that on and then having him do the triple attack builds up a bunch of it but to properly make the nuke viable you have to get a bunch of pickdose that are um that extend the amount of shots you can do yeah so that you get 20 chance of burning on your shot and then 20 chance of getting a shell and if you gain a shell you have a chance of gaining ap which gives you a chance to do more shots and then apply that to powerful and then apply that to rush while you're just going so you try to stack as much of that as possible to get into s-rank and then you hit and then you do triple the amount of burn you know um we were missing some of those for example so the build wouldn't work all this to say uh i kind of went back and took a look at some of the s*** and i was like okay yes act three lets you wander or it lets you just hit the target but if you choose to wander there are places where the game is going to be like yo man either go grind and level up to play this like a normal rpg or get your synergy to be proper feast or famine because you're only partially feasting right now and the enemies are f***ing famineing so or yeah feasting on you rather to be maximum sicko freak hours as i beat sprong in act two yeah yeah sure yeah and i was like because somebody i think it was blue wizard said you can't beat sprong and i went bet okay okay i just parried for 40 for an hour it beats sprong and then i found the claire obscure enemy in the in the that area and i'm like okay everybody gets an extra 40 lumina so now i just have cheater on for the whole rest of the f***ing thing there you go uh i for me it was i walked up the mountain for frozen hearts oh that f***s it up so bad that that was crazy and just walked down like buff sponge bob just every like lun and cl's muscles were veins oh man that was rippling i don't know what the f*** they were thinking even allowing you to go to f***ing frozen hearts just came back down the mountain and stomped the f*** out of the rest of that game it was so insane um uh but but yeah that one's nuts i'm surprised but like playing through in the you know with this way and stuff and and to be fair too as well like reggie's been like again like f***ing sick on the parries you know the instincts are there but just like not taking the time to truly tweak those pictos kind of just going a little of this little of that and stuff is like not enough not enough anymore it's really interesting because reggie's having um like a normal humans experience of expedition 33 and he is the first person that i would have spoken to about that that had like a normal humans because everyone i spoke to had the same experience that you and i did which they were fiending it and as they were fiending it they were exploring everywhere and as they were exploring everywhere they had all the time in the world just be like this this this this this this this this this this yes a palm a palm um lp'ing does put a little fire under your ass which means you can't really sit and stare and you know putz around as much as you'd like to um and furthermore and there's yeah and there's it's also the type of thing too where um i was definitely being like look i want to be hands off let you wander let you do your thing and at a certain point too he was kind of just like hey i don't mind you can just tell me what your suggestion is here or what you think of this or what we're you know so i'm like okay so i've been a little bit more like all right here's my suggestion here's what i did or whatever you can take that or you can leave it but like i do know that some people are like yo chill on the back seating and stuff and i'm like i'm i'm going with what he's comfortable with you know we've discussed beforehand how much he wants to or not doesn't want to or go with stuff like that so um but yeah uh it was i was surprised to see that that little uh wall because i was like oh yeah again this is what other i just didn't see it in in in in my game but like this is kind of what it's supposed to look like i guess um um the other thing i hit credits on cult of the lamb oh nice um and i say it that way because that doesn't mean it's the end of the game no it doesn't there's certain there's a very clear new game plus that continues or not new game plus um post game post game that continues on that that has more content to it that that seems interesting but um yeah the straightforward simple run of that at least hitting the first credits through uh fucked out of fun great game loved it uh very simple good you know enjoyed the whole ride i want to take a minute to underline uh fucking knuckle bones you know is the shit it's pretty good it's pretty great knuckle bones which is perfect for for a little dice game sorry you cut off i said knuckle bones is also perfect for like uh like it's simple yes which is perfect for a little dice game it is up there it is like i have my trip my tears of like i've got triple triad i've got uh pizak you know i've got uh um uh yeah those two i mean gwent is gwent is gwent is cool i liked gwent um but let's go fucking knuckle bones as far as the game inside the game goes holy shit what a fun game you're you're just rolling dice you're rolling dice on the corner but you're rolling nine dice and you're lining them up to to like crush your opponents dice rolls and it's such a simple concept that's you can watch time fucking evaporate playing it man um i'm curious to see what the new ff7 one is yeah it was queen's blood right that's what i see yeah oh that one's really good but like making a good fucking game within the game is an underrated art man i would spend a lot of time on a knuckle bones carve out game i would have no problem committing to just playing a bunch of that um yeah that that's great so i'm probably gonna check out uh wool haven but um just kind of kind of you know gonna check back in with that uh yeah not much else watched a super bowl um it it did they do a football they did they're fucking crazy dude it wasn't it wasn't the most exciting game but there was a brief moment when the score had the potential to be six seven and then it wasn't and then a bunch of people i'm sure lost a ton of calci bets but anyway um i will say that something something that i did learn from the super bowl commercials this year was uh the the world of crypto and ai like they know how people feel and they have resorted to the most underhanded like we have to get you going along with something and then they run pulled you in real life so they did a commercial where i don't know if you saw it it was just a karaoke screen with backstreet boys and who the fuck isn't gonna stop and sing along room full of people whether it's a full bar a house anyone everyone's gonna stop along and sing and sing some fucking backstreet boys and they let it run for like most of the chorus and then right before you get to the the backstreet's back part it just drops to fucking coinbase pops up on the screen and everyone across the the entire continent goes and it's like oh you got you rug pulled the world congratulations you know you know what you are you know how much people hate it gamble don't you love gambling no man and you got everybody to sing along and then you fucking they know they know what they are anyway that's about it for this week yeah i think i think i'm gonna play me genics tomorrow and then i want to push forward on expedition 33 we're close to wrapping it up so i'm probably gonna do another session of that on saturday if that's the plan for now so tune in woolly versus on twitch and on youtube i really want to play me genics yeah yeah all right what's going on a bunch of stuff happened one oh we already talked yeah oh did things happen this week oh they were good though right we already talked about 2x ko that wasn't good nope that wasn't good okay give me a good one then all right how about this um discord is uh going to require face scan for all accounts based on a teen appropriate experience by default uh there's your shot all right what's the chaser uh three months ago discourse discord says hacker stole government ids of 70 000 users yeah it was back in october right that was back in october yeah wow so that's cool yeah i'm not gonna fucking put my fucking driver's license or face into this fucking chat program bro if you want to continue using palantir i mean discord you better put your face no i'm not gonna do it i'll just be yeah or 18 whatever or install fuck you or install the thing that's gonna track in the background to make sure that you're i'm it you that's the only way i have to do that no fuck you uh like a fucking team speak server for my friends and i'll fucking talk to you on zoom i don't give a shit fuck you if you if you if you fucking think for a second that like this that the the actual thing they want to do here is protect the teenagers no they're doing this so that they can go public and be like look at all this information we have to sell i got a fucking bridge i got a bridge with your name on it uh it's called the joc cartier and it's it's currently for sale uh that's funny for me and it's currently for sale oh that's wow oh yeah it's a good rich guys you might um i mean just hey we're putting the face scan tech in and yeah so i'll cancel your uh your uh your nitro and uh complain incessantly that's it fuck them because they they already they already waffled on it slightly going well you know most users will never see the check because you know well you know there's no reason to think you're not an adult and you're not accessing adults and it's like yeah so you guys want to go public and uh you want this this information thing to to go well so it'll look super good when a huge amount of the only people who pay for your service just leave and then everyone will be like wow you guys are really good at business to make all your customers leave right before you offer your stock for sale for sale it's funny because like time is linear right but it's also a flat circle but you can look at things that happen in the past and then see where we get to how we got here so the last time we talked about discord was i think in october when 70 000 of these things leaked i don't know if we covered it or not we might have but i definitely remember we covered maybe back in april or so uh discord was announcing that they're interested in moving towards being an ipo yeah so all of a sudden we're worried about the kids you know and it has nothing to do with uh the the massive change to our business model and our revenue growth plans not at all we got to figure out which people in discord are kids so that um we can send that list to our friends at roblox and they can DM them uh um i i it's like if you can just create some sort of pipeline you know that you can then just funnel you know woolly i have never heard the word pipeline used in a positive manner in literally higher life like not even a single time like legit like think of one pipeline you've ever heard of yeah production pipelines real pipelines everything yep mutes yeah it's uh it's pretty pretty pretty yeah not not a good word can't think of a good use um so uh yeah no anyway again looking forward to seeing um the the revenue growth um that uh palette i mean discord um undergoes once this plan is implemented uh you guys have a uh discord uh if any of you guys have like a cool discord clone that you've been working on in the background ready for release now would be a great fucking time to put that out right this second would be a sick time i hate how decentralized a bunch of communities have become as a result of this but it's also like we're already here i mean that one that's based off of a vibe coding through chat gbt yeah that one's gonna go great right return to steam community forums dude steam community oh midlife they're the worst i thought game facts message boards were fucking wild holy shit hey go find some like forgotten gem of a game and just take over the community forums and i saw really i saw really this is the way we must go on blue sky and i don't remember who posted it because it was retweeted by mutual and it's gone now right but it was basically a guy saying bro i just want to come home from work and play video games with my buds and look at pictures of boobs and every single day there's some freak i've never heard of trying to get in my way and i was like man oh that's so true pretty succinct um uh what else is going on uh apparently there is going to be a balder's gate tv show at hbo and and larry in is finding out as i announced this for the first time was a such a good exciting part of that like a super aw was so exciting to see that they were going to do a post balder's gate three story uh entirely controlled by hasbro was scrolling on tiktok and seeing the video of devora while finding out about it and being a little oh cool and i'm like the fucking shit sucks already if i'm watching her find out about it so you know going through it there's a whole lot of dancing tiptoeing and egg shelling around the idea that larry is not involved and you know like they give their blessing and you know they're hoping for good things but they you know this is a d&d based brand and you know they don't necessarily own that so brr brr brr brr and it's kind of crazy too because of like i just we're talking about a balder's gate hbo show now and just from the years of talking about this franchise prior to this game coming out it was just like oh that that old thing that like a bunch of like it just it was such a forgotten gem it feels like you could say it's from the forgotten realms yeah you know and uh yeah and then the classic just like you know uh uh can't wait to see how this goes from the producer of the last of us so yep yep i have zero faith in this at all i would like to be proven wrong so you know what the strangest thing is is they're doing a balder's gate show instead of i don't know a dungeons and dragons one well what's hot what's hot right now what has what name carries more currency right now dungeons and dragons it's been a staple for decades well balder's gate is getting all those awards and that's thanks to hasbro and well i mean if you're gonna do a balder's gate three one specifically well then at least you would hire back all that no they're not again you know hasbro accepted their awards for the great job that they did you know at uh at balder's gate three and so of course they're gonna move forward with the show um tell you what they should what they should do is they should they should gang up with a bunch of people that worked on the game and they should get a bunch of fucking green screen footage and shove that behind the actors and just do their own ass show what with their own budget for real reels in response to whatever the fuck HBO puts out they should do that they they literally should do that that would be awesome like a dragon powered by japan unification a series that feels like it was made in spite in response to the yak is a amazon show that doesn't seem to be getting a season two doesn't sound like so is this i'm i gotta take a look at make sure this is the one we're talking about it's the one where you saw the screenshot of of the live action actor placed on top of placed on top of camaro cho from the game and uh you can check out uh this there's a trailer and the trailer features um a bunch of actors some of which have been involved with the yak is a games rgg themselves are directly involved with the production of this and uh they're teaming up with japan unification which is like another existing group and um they're like nah fuck it kiryu glows with aura and does heat moves irl actually so they're gonna get just keep doing this over and over until they they hit it which they would never will um he also pulls on a gun and starts shooting people by the way sure fucking uh hey do you are is the is the kawami three shit on there well we were going from live action adaptation to live action adaptation and now the through line is yak is a because uh the next line of uh the story here is the yak is a games kawami three is apparently the end of the kawami uh series and the beginning of a new line of yak is a games this was announced just before we went live so i have the the deets on this because um this this is so it's so i'll just it's about right it's about start right now yakuza kawami like a dragon kawami three is bad it is a bad game it is it is a hallmark of all of the types of things that people make fun of bad hd re releases where all the shadows disappear and all the artistic rendering of everything disappear and the new actors don't do a particularly good job compared to the old actors uh that they've replaced uh and on top of that there's like legitimate controversy with this game so um did they just announce the devil may cry to timeline yes so so they cut about 70 of the side quests in this game and they cut a bunch of the gameplay stuff and it's it's like kind of a shadow of the former self it's not a good game on top of that uh one of the um one of the the replacement actors is like a known sex pest um and when they were asked hey what's up with hiring this guy who's like a sex pest they're like so we wanted the character he played to come off really sleazy and this guy's like a scumbag so we hired him on purpose because of that because he's super gross and you're like wow that's not something that you would expect for method acting they just came out and said it yeah that's crazy on top of that on top of that um um there's a dark ties storyline which follows mean a the villain of the game of yakuza 3 and what he was up to at various timelines and um the checklist for side content for mean a is doing good deeds around town to improve his boss's reputation because he just got out of jail for sexual assault so like the side content of the new campaign is cleaning up your sex abusers boss's image in town which is just like fucking gross and this is nasty at negotiate he's gone right he sure is man this is sure is this is not okay hmm um and on top of that and i'm gonna spoil it i'm gonna fuck uh mean a lives in this fucking version of the game which is a pretty dramatic change from canon um and not only does he live he joins the secret didoji organization that was in the background of some other games so when they say hey we're gonna go ahead with a new didoji universe or whatever the fuck they're gonna put out like yakuza 4 but it's different because the didoji are there and yakuza 5 but it's different because the died and they're like they're just like they're straight up doing a double may cry to fucking timeline often in the fucking this sucks so okay i'm trying to figure out because i don't really know but i'm is this something where they looked at ff7 and went like oh we can do that too the yakuza re slash make of but it's a fucking crime thing in the real world doesn't fucking work like that okay so instead of just instead of kawami being we're redoing we're remaking the games and improving them or whatever it's also what we're doing is we're creating an alternate time where we bring all the villains back to life to form like the fucking anti-avangers or something it's fucking stupid it's fucking stupid man and is there anything wrong with itchy bun time going forward like just i don't know i'm the way that dude it so is there any was there anything that explains why the decision was made conning the deaths of like every one i've been hearing too it's fucking ridiculous and they're clearly building up to something and it's to make some it's fucking stupid okay so there's there's a there's a organization 13 in the background of yeah whatever so the core gang over at like a dragon are working on stranger than heaven and these guys working on the kawamis i guess they want to spread their wings and fly and they're doing it in a way that it's just fucking me up and we talked about this last week when we were just looking at look how bad these textures look the lighting looks bad what the fuck oh it looks terrible i remember when i started playing uh yakuza in hawaii i the ve you can go back and watch i'm like what the fuck is going on with the lighting on this beach at some point they screwed up the way the lighting worked after yakuza 8 like something broke in their lighting engine and they just never fixed it you know it has pretty good lighting what's that gang of dragon that's right so it's i think uh so also yukes helped make um kawami 3 oh well yukes usually does a decent job no they don't they're shit with fighting games with fighting game stuff okay what about wrestling games the shit they supported you had aki as mc ace and then yukes came in and did which was which was the wrestling games yukes did uh what was their franchise am i forgetting what did they work on they worked on e wwe games oh god fuck that they did all the garbage zone yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah never mind never mind never mind never mind never mind back down to my mistake no no no they were the dirt they were the 2k guys yeah yeah yeah yeah okay so they're making that gotcha my mistake um so yeah so this this game isn't even like core all core like like a dragon guys it's fucking outsourcing and shit like that um evil zone yeah evil zone i just said that shit oh god what was that what what what what was i thinking of was it just the fucking smackdown versus raw i think there was like yeah okay never mind i think that we had fun playing a smackdown versus raw and i was the very old ones were good but they've been shit for like 15 years and i was like oh shit okay i'm super glad that um we got to yukes at eight and then we that has like a definitive end and then they can just go fuck up all these games in a row and be scumbags and we can just wait until there's another good like a dragon game but it's very obvious that the the the the the stars of that group are working on stranger than heaven is that the name of the game um it's just a stranger than fiction um no no no but yes the the the the fucking old the timelines one they've been given the the the like a dragon series to just stranger than heaven you're correct yeah fuck around on project century and they're also working on virtual fighter it's almost like they've spread that beat that gang too thin maybe they shouldn't be working on fucking five projects a second well i just after talking about how bad the current thing looks i never would have expected the next new story to be and also bad thing is now the new series cannons that we're following through on is that is the wildest i've i can't but like what not even seven days later anyway um crazy dude cool um well look um when the going gets tough you know when the name gets abandoned when the name gets what gets gets ruined maybe just take the numbers off you know and it works for some people maybe it's time to just return to overwatch no fuck that fuck you the time was right the brand needed it the identity needed it hey so we were we we need to just start fresh overwatch two will now be known as overwatch yeah no you guys are lying i like how they're like we got to return to overwatch and then we're gonna what are we gonna do we're gonna focus on a pve experience like stop saying that we god when was titan was titan like 2006 uh i was working in qa so 2005 2006 is about 2005 to now they have been trying to make a pve thing for this shit for 21 years and they put out nothing and if i'm not mistaken the switch to overwatch two was also because they were trying to emphasize the fact that pve was going to be a huge part of the game now absolutely i what is up with the overwatch team going i can't wait to do like you know multiplayer like but you know against the cpu and we are like a like a full adult human being away from that idea of failure like it's it's not for fuck's sake you know how many fucking horde games have come and gone since then that are awesome i was playing a bunch of deep rock galactic last week that game's incredible it's been out for years what you can't fucking have you fight some bots devil's advocate have you seen domina who gives a fuck that's a character designed straight straight for pornhub they are now completely completely leaning in randy pitchford style they are 100 aware and committing to it it's so fucking it's so cynical it's so lame yeah um it's like i you know i remember the i remember the uh i'm sick of all this stupid multiplayer shit and then they go hey you go hey this sucks they go oh oh we're gonna jingle these kids i was about to say i remember every time a new character got announced it was always like okay scroll down the news to the second story right every time there was a new character that got announced for overwatch go find out what else happened that activision blizzard that day hey yeah yeah yeah it's so fucking pathetic don't you guys have any pride in your own fucking work hey man distraction is a very useful tactic if i don't want you looking over here and i just keep you looking over here you don't worry about what's over here no matter what's going on you know it's on you i'm always worried about what's over there but that's just my personality well uh it turns out what's over here is a copy of mine's eye oh yeah did someone buy it um well it's on an island so um you can go play it i don't want to okay well um then you might be part of the conspiracy oh yeah yeah i saw you're part of the guy behind mine's eye it's kind of going through full blown psychosis and he wants to put people in the games so that he can shoot them during missions and also well you are because you're sabotaging you're sabotaging mine's eye so they're allowed to get me i mean i wasn't but now i kind of am you seem like a fucking asshole yeah um remember what i said about uh scrolling down to the second story when the blizzard character gets when the uh overwatch character gets announced um you know you might be if you you can scroll down to see if there's any other stories about mine's eye that came out this week i am what what do you got what do you got i don't know they're just there's there's uh people who uh might have been uh uh in the headlines saying things like i have never met jeb free epstein um you never want to be in you never want to be in a headline jeb free epstein shirt it's causing a lot of questions you never want to be in a headline with the words i've never met jeff free epstein in quotations next to your name that's not a that's not a good look um and uh for that to be hand in hand with the they're all out to get me and destroy my my my bad game that you seem paranoid for some reason yeah well have you ever met somebody i'm sure you have i the way they do you offhandedly mention something and they just start getting fucking terrified and paranoid about being accused of some minor league crime that you're not talking about and you're like you now appear to be the most guilty piece of shit in the world i would never steal anything okay fucking what uh i now think you stole something from me in my house today yes because the the the brain of the person that that committed the crime is now has to stand here and figure out a way out of their actions and if they had a better plan they would not have been in the situation to begin with so here we are um yeah well look man um you know you keep isolating people until you wind up all on your own i still remember on an island somewhere i still remember seeing a clip of co-carnage's stream where he got the back down from the mind's eye sponsorship like 90 seconds after he started the stream and if he hadn't had somebody like have their eye on like i think it was his business email where they canceled it he would have just done the whole thing and then oh well we canceled it so we don't have to pay you like just actively trying to fuck people over wait wait what happens it was so co-carnage had a sponsored stream signed up and ready to go for mind's eye that they canceled after he went live but before he started playing the game so that if he hadn't had somebody with eyes on like his contacts he would have just accidentally done a full sponsored stream for a canceled thing and then they wouldn't have had to pay him holy shit cool good um and i saw that i'm like that is a type of filthy i've never even personally encountered that shows good good judgment and good character you know that establishes trustworthiness and and good moral clarity there um speaking of good moral clarity um what if i told you that you could unlock new themes for your vape by hitting certain levels of puffs you know i actually i saw a vape meme or whatever on my phone earlier today and i looked over at my baby and i've never yelled at him and i've snugged and kissed on him he's the greatest guy and i was like man if i ever find a vape in this house it's time for me to turn into my dad when he would get pissed off because i'd lose my fucking mind i would lose my fucking mind but to be fair you didn't grow up in a time when vapes had chivos brah because now you got chivos and that's different right you gotta you gotta you gotta get your themes listen little baby gauron extrinsic motivation is good but intrinsic motivation is better oh tough whoops what what why why did you do that miss click um vape achievements because big vape is actually secretly behind this podcast and they don't want to hear you talking bad shit i think the people that run these companies uh should i hit the button again i can hit the button again i can hit the i can hit the button again yeah okay the button is right maybe i you can all fill in the blank the button is right there okay you can do it yeah okay you know pat you've already like you've built a brand on you know what they should do yeah you know there's a limit to how much i can say on this public you can just you can just you can just let it trail off right there i think everybody's fine to let it trail off hey would you believe that me having son has actually made me way angrier at the world oh like the world oh because from the outside everyone would look and say oh pat has chilled out right and the angry absolutely having a son is like an incredible thing for for my life and and it's a everyday is happy but like society is pissing me off but the but the twist is is that it was always in it has just been redirected yeah hmm okay student society um fucking vapes if you vape you're a fucking idiot don't do it it i don't suggest i don't think your kid can make it to the moon society man no one's not even gonna be cracked up to what it's not even made out of cheese bullshit i hate you're an adult and you vape you look like a stupid bitch you look oh man like i people cuddling in the smoker circle outside of a restaurant or whatever they look like losers but at least they weren't like smoking a cigarette like an adult smoking a vape looks like you're puffing on a child's toy for losers you know what sucks thinking about space exploration used to be cool it i wanted to be an astronaut when i was a kid and now when you think about space exploration it just sucks and it's just it's just upsetting and yeah yeah that sucks i'm i'm really fucking tilted by the fact that the thinking about space exploration ain't cool anymore i i used to really like that absolutely anyways um okay well if we want to have our our boomer yells a cloud moment um there is an article i saw called film students who can no longer sit through films and let subway surfers on a smaller tv underneath them and basically it's describing how students of film and film professors are talking about how uh they are having a hard time getting film students to watch films like as homework to really feature like how are you supposed to make a movie that takes a long time yeah um the the you know as you can imagine um people are having a hard time not pulling out phones or second screens or getting distracted while they play films in class and such and um um it's uh it's a it's a little bit of a no i get the boat you know what you know what fail all of them and then no movies and publicly shame their parents in the village square for giving them an ipad at one you know what they should do right um yeah yeah into the pillory into the stocks and there's a fake little effigy of an ipad in front of them i mean i would say um if you're getting if you're applying to get into the program and it's a film school program uh they should just run a test where it's like hey just watch this movie and then they just watch you watching the movie and then and if you get up no you just look like you walk out or you look or you whatever and they just and then the lights come back on and they go thank you you can leave now and that's it just you're like part of the application is you watch a movie and they watch you watch a movie that's it um all right let's take a let us only watch movies on to be anyway i mean bro laurence of arabia in like tick tock form you fucking the most efficient way to watch it if you've got a letter you can send it to castle super beast mail at gmail.com that's castle super beast mail at gmail.com uh let's see over here um hold on a second i gotta stop somebody somebody made a comment and say adhd people banned from film school people the adhd who love movies can sit through 100 movies in a row because their attention is not deficit in a general sense because they love movies it's based on kicking ipad kids out of film school cool people don't understand what attention deficit is if the thing is if the thing is engaging to you you're locked in on it yeah the attention deficit is named as which because attention deficit kids wouldn't pay attention in school because school's fucking boring it is um all right let's see one coming in from let's uh l says hey patson wools um i recently finished playing through pentamount and that game shot straight to my top 10 of all time if you haven't seen it it's a 15 hour uh point and click where you solve mysteries and live life as a manuscript illustrator in 15th century uh buvaria um wasn't until after i played that it's really good wasn't until after i beat it that i learned that it was by obsidian um and it turns out josh shoyer uh the director of new vegas has a history degree on the holy roman empire and put it to good use going from 3d rpg fantasy to one of the most obsessively written historical fictions i've ever seen all presented in gorgeous lucas artsy style with yeah that game is incredible evidence um can you think of any studios that uh well basically studios that try something new and nail it on the first try hey can you think of any studios that crushed it uh with a new ip going all out on the first go okay so to be clear while obviously lots of people work on games that game is like an obsessive baby pet project of josh soyer right that is less so obsidian trying something new and more that josh got his way and got to make its his fucking weird dream game after a long time yeah um there's definitely a bunch of those and whenever when there's somebody that like yeah let's take stakes out on their own and they've had a lot of experience you see a studio nail it in one shot um i think of team reptile lethal league was a fucking slam dunk out the gate and then they just went on to crush it with like blaze and then bomb rush cyber funk and then hyper funk is coming you know like right away they nailed it um but yeah there's there's definitely uh examples of that oftentimes it's again somebody leaving after building up the experience and then dropping it on the dream game r gg's gonna make a fighting game they're making virtual fighter and as we all know there's never been a bad virtual fighter game which means that it's out of their wheelhouse and it's going to be incredible buick says speaking of which dear dnd nerd and lancer nerd given the recent advances in gaming culture i think we finally have a way to succinctly uh phrase the vibes you both feel towards mortal combat mk is the fighting game for gun and ball gamers it is am i stupid or is it really that's no no he's completely right that that's that nailed it that nails it yeah yo it's so cool as whole head came off bro need the dopamine for murder uh okay dear versus punched dad and father stares at i'm an avid casual magic the gathering player with my fair share of money spent on cards i play commander and casual um i guess maybe like a dolphin not pro i play commander exclusively with friends and i wanted to pose a scenario to you regarding the discussion around proxies follow me if you will you're playing a super popular online game but you're doing so offline with just your close friends they have pay to win mechanics gear boosts upgrades etc that some of your friends invest in you like this game a lot and throw down a couple bucks to stay in stride with them not sweats level money like the online players but some harder and dough now imagine that one friend who shows up with the best in slot gear sick cosmetics and starts running the brackets and he tells you that he pirated all the items for free how do you react to that do you keep playing with them do you drop the game entirely regardless of how much fun you had without them and even if they bought all the stuff legit which how would you feel any differently about it the practice is predatory either way you slice it but i'm playing casual with friends because i don't want the game that comes with being a sweat uh if you guys are already cool with using proxies then all of you should have unified decks i so however the fuck you want so this is where i go is the game about like if the game is about just balance and the fun of building your own decks and doing whatever and you should be able to play with different things that for not even going for the meta but just having fun with your friends you can build a deck of different cards and different things that fit your style then it shouldn't matter proxy should be fine because you should be having fun customizing and doing your own thing you're playing in a casual environment you should go to the copy store and print out a fucking set for every single person at your table and everything and if it's not about that and it's just about the money and it's just about pay to win then the bags on you i don't know what to tell you like that's you're you're in on a shitty system to begin with that the money is prohibiting your fun and if your buddy is like paying into a pay to win system to play outside that system they're an idiot like or like if i would have another way to flip that is like you and your buddies are all like fucking stacked and paying buying a bunch of shit and have the best and then you have a friend who's really poor and can't afford to keep up but would love to play with you guys fuck you poor you get out of here you dirty pleb you know what this is what you have you ever have that situation in your life in which somebody asks you out to a restaurant that's too expensive for you right now and then they like hassle you and you're and you're like i don't want to go because i'm broke okay okay and they they put that on you and how awkward that scenario is i know what you're describing not because it's really happened to me but i've done that with friends okay yeah but i have done that with friends and i will exclusively do that if i'm covering it yes that i will hey hey we all want to go to this laser tag and they go i don't have money for laser tag don't worry i got you in a couple bucks yeah you can come laser tag that i will i will do that specifically mentioning that point yeah this is the same emotional state of this guy is like no i want to go out to the fancy restaurant and sit there while all of you guys don't eat because i bought all these cars the guy got a little muddled there but you know like it's it's fucking ridiculous all right and one last one over here hey pat and wooll's no funny name because i'm not that creative but i've been a fan since the first mission of episodes you guys were talking about cult of the lamb and it reminded me of my experience with the game i played it on my ps5 with my girlfriend a couple months ago and we got into it pretty hard but two major issues popped up first of all co-op the partner has to wait and cannot do anything while going through menus and that created a lot of pressure to deal with cult stuff quickly so we can get back to both playing thankfully the co-op partner can do everything too but the first player then has to wait uh that wasn't as uh that wasn't that bad but it was still it was still fun to build up the cult etc but then we started running into the second issue which is the loading time on opening the list of followers whenever the game has to get you that list literally stops for like a minute or longer depending on how many of them you have given that we've already spent quite a few hours already we had to select at least two followers to return to the cult usually more and it's built up to such an amount that the downtime per run uh that it got so bad that we decided to drop the game entirely because the hulk un-gimmick of the game the cult became more of a chore instead of the fun part that is fascinating the pc version would probably be better uh but we're playing local co-op um yeah i guess console yeah they should they should change that so that the town doesn't chug when you game we have big that's ridiculous have you ever had a small annoyance that made you drop a game entirely oh yeah millions i've had i've i've i've dropped games so i'm going to beat the backlog people have seen like just the most banal annoyances just absolutely crush the game in my opinion instantly like just the way a certain move feels if there is a jump in a jumping sonic 4 sonic 4 bad sonic 4 yeah sonic 4 and sonic jen uh it's the spin dash is not the jump but i just go i just go it's yeah there's a million thing i i value controls dramatically right i think that's an absolutely enormous enormous factor in playing a good video game one of the things that'll ruin a game for me is if i can't turn off trigger effect on the playstation dual sense things you know that thing that uh you you pull in the trigger and it stops it to make you feel yeah yeah yeah i don't want to get rsi i can get rsi from these fucking triggers so that that shits dunzo dunzo if i can't turn that shit off i mean i feel like the most recent example was just straight up high guard it like one sit down of that and it was like this is not at all what i feel like playing out of video games one match i think you should be really proud i mean for the same amount of time that you did yeah like you know that was that was a really you should feel good because like there's there's like there's a part of me that it's like like i did the high guard stream right and like you i remember i told you the same thing when i played marathon it's like you know when you're playing a stream of some piece of shit that you hate and or at least not having fun at all and you look over and you know this one's doing numbers oh i don't even care i'm gonna turn it off uh i look i honestly am like look a part of a part of this came from titanfall devs and maybe horseback is fun i don't know i i came in like let's go show me what you got and yeah yeah um there you go no that happens though it's it's like that before that it's been a while since i've walked out of the movie theater so to speak you know or like i start the game up and went fuck this immediately i would have played i would have if i had bought high guard i would have played it for like six hours before before like putting your cash in there's a difference yeah oh sorry if i bought high guard on stream i would have played it for uh 119 minutes um if i had bought it back in the day i would have played it for six hours before just going no i'm not no i oh by the way apparently 5v5 much better interesting okay which is like someone someone in that studio won a really intense argument and god interesting i was gonna say this doesn't really count because it wasn't that bad but i played a little bit of daemon x macchina and i kind of went and i got to a point where i'm like can i play with my robot and i turned it off yeah i just didn't go back to it like can i please play the robot game though like no you're gonna listen to this anime shit yeah i bought it fucking you know like yeah so anyway there you go that'll do that'll do have a good week everybody see you you