"We Were Born in the Wrong Generation" | Trash Taste #277

Gamers, welcome back to another episode of Trash Taste. I'm your host, Connor, and once again joined by The Boys, Joe and Garnt. I love you. I'm so ominous. Yeah. Gamers. Look, the one thing people always yapp about online is, well, things are better when I was a kid. So we're gonna put it to the test today. Okay. We're gonna be doing 2005 versus 2025. We're gonna show a bunch of different things and we just decide which one's better. Is N-Shitification real? Does that get, would get demonetized? Shitification. N-Shitification. It won't. N-Shitification. Well, you said the word. I've never heard of that term. What, you haven't? No. It's like the term for like things just getting worse over time. Clearly you're not a redditor. Clearly you don't have- You know what? I take pride in that. Clearly you don't have deep discussion with Sherry. I do. Just not on fucking Reddit. You know how it's like, you know, you have Google and Google wants to do the job it was and then now it gets worse with all these ads and stuff? That would be N-Shitification. I see. Something that was good and provided a great service slowly gets worse over time due to like adding bloat and stuff. Gotcha. Or just getting worse. Like how you have like- Yeah, I would just say it got shit. N-Shitification. Yes. So this can be a short segment for Trash Taste. We'll see if we don't have- Where our producers- Well, we think it's gonna be a short segment. We'll talk and we'll see what happens. We'll suck it out. You know how it goes. That is the show, but our producer has picked a few categories for us to discuss on whether things are better now and whether things are better before. And we're gonna try and keep our nostalgia goggles off and try to look at this, you know, objectively as possible. As objectively as possible. Question. How old are you in 2005? I was about to ask. Yeah, we need to set the boundaries of like 2005 for I think all three of us was very different stages of our lives. I was nine. I was- 15. I was 11. Damn you all. Damn, Monk. Damn, Monk. No, okay. 2005 was 20 years ago? Yeah, so like to a nine year old experiencing this and a 15 year old experiencing this, I feel it's gonna be very different based on like how you remember. Yeah, probably. You know? Yeah. But you know, back then as well, things had longer life spans. So that was, you know, it's realistic that maybe I could have been consuming something that maybe gone- Or did it feel like it was longer because you were younger? No, cause things move really fast when you're a kid. I guess so, yeah. Do you identify yourself? No, yeah. I was like, what? Do you still want to be relatable to the Gen Zers, Joey? Fuck no. I can't relate to these kids. Are you kidding me? I'm fully embraced my Ankh status now. I realize there are two types of millennials. Yes. There's the type that enjoys K-pop demon hunters and the types that don't. And the true millennials. K-pop demon hunters was good. What do you mean, God? That's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about. Does that have anything to do with being a millennial? I think it does. I don't even... It is the great divider from what I've seen there. I don't fuck with K-pop, but I thought it was good. I thought it was good. I just couldn't relate to it at all. No, I couldn't relate to any of it. Yeah, I was object like, objectually I'm like, oh, this is really, really good. This is cool that it's, it gave me the same vibe of appreciating something that another generation would appreciate more than myself because I don't fuck with like K-pop, you know? And I thought it was like some really, really... I don't know why this is starting off with K-pop demon hunting. You brought this in. Yeah, you really, you did this. We're going right to the deep end. But I noticed it was just like, I can't put my finger on it, but the energy of it was like super Gen Z, right? And it was something that I was like, this is some really, really cool stuff that just does not appeal to me, but I can still appreciate it. Yes, yes, yes. That's the point I was trying to make. Yes, yes. No, no, no, I agree. It's like, I never really, I personally never really fucked with K-pop. But I saw it and I was like, that's cool. I can appreciate that for what it is, but do I connect to it on a personal level? No. It's like, would you rewatch it yourself without a mate watching it? I didn't even watch it the first time by myself. Yes, you're right. I got it introduced to someone younger than me. You know in a different timeline, we could have been the ones saving the horn moon. That could have been us. We could have been good singing it. That could have been, you know. You guys, this attitude of yours is that we will never save the world. We're the men to be. All right, well. Gotta, gotta be gone. My gym has been spamming that. I'm also more critical of music just in general though. So that might also be just a me thing. Sure. But anyway, that's not the point. I've heard there's sorry. Which category is K-pop demon hunters in there? Cause I know nothing. Yeah. Let's go straight to that category. There's a ton of categories that our producer Alex has like given us big. So I think it's 20 years. So it's going to be quite a big jump in the vibe and everything, but I guess we'll see. Trash taste. The nostalgia win or is it actually better now? Trash taste better in 2005. Could you imagine if we started 2005? Oh Jesus Christ. The anime zone was almost just about to cook in 2005. That sounds so weird to think of. All right. Yeah, sure. So we're going to be given three by three of 2005 and 2025. All right. So video games. Let's start with video games. Okay. So these are games that come out in. This is also really going to speak volumes to what Alex says as 2005. Just so you know, viewers, this is not meant to be, these are the nine games to represent the year. It's like, this is a feeling of the year. Just to get a vibe. Yeah. Like the type of games that came out. Also this isn't specifically 2005 versus 2025. It's more of just like now versus then. Correct? Yeah. I would say it's closer to like the naughties versus the 2020s. What's the 2020s called? The naughties. No, no, no. The naughties. I know we start, we gave up with that. The roaring 20s again. We gave up with that shit. Back to the roaring 20s, but we're roaring for a different reason entirely. What was the 2010s called again? I don't know if I had a name. Does it? I think it did. I would just say the 2010s. The 20, the 10sies. The 10sies. That's the kids' bopification. That's what the naughties sounds like. Sorry, we're getting off topic again. I'm not the one that fucking coined the term naughties, bro. I'm just saying. So why don't we first of all write down our answer? Which one was better? Yeah. And then we'll, we can discuss. Okay. We can discuss. So which one, which one would you prefer? 2005 or 2025? Hmm. Okay. I'd actually have to think about this one. I wonder if we're going to get the same answer on any of these. I think that's going to be the most interesting thing. I want to change. You changed. Yeah, I want to change. I want to change. But, but yeah, I mean, this is so tough. Yeah. I mean, this is no correct answer, but all right. Ready? Three, two, one. Oh, we all say 2025 for video games. I had it as 2005 originally, and then I saw Exclusion 33 and I was like, what? Oh, you saw Exclusion 33? Yeah, I was like, where they came out this year. Yeah. Right. As much as I love a lot of these games, Super Mario Strikers, especially as a soft spot in my heart, because that was the game. What a banging game. I think I put the most hours into on the GameCube. The only soccer game I ever played. Well, yeah, because I'm also like, I, if you were like, kind of named games from 2004, I wouldn't be able to name games. What do you think games are better now in general? I think it's the question more than. Right, right, right, right. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think games are better. I think games are better. I think the the gaming medium is taking itself more seriously and has more resources in the same sense, though, at the same time, I think games like the skew of it is worse. Like big games that are absolute dog shit are way more than they used to be. But the cream of the crop is so fucking good now. Yeah. Yeah. But we're so spoiled. We have so much choice now, too. Yeah. We're like, so what if 30 games that should have been good suck ass? Because there's 20 games that I never heard about that are going to blow my mind. Yeah. I would say if the question was not video games, but the gaming industry, it's okay. Yeah. Then yeah, the gaming industry was a lot better back then. I think in general, though, now we just are living in an era where no matter what your tastes, no matter what you look for in a video game, there's probably going to be something for you. And I don't think that was that was always the case before you'd basically have to pick between three different platforms, obviously. And you'd have to hope that that year there was a release that year that's that was catered towards your tastes. And that's why so many of the games I grew up with were games that I replayed to, you know, yeah, yeah, and I over because there wasn't as many other games within that niche that I enjoyed. So I would replay those games over and over. Now you finish a game and you have like 10 different games that you could be playing. Does that means that games are less special? I don't know. But, you know, I can't say I'm as bored as I was before. Because the argument could be said that, like, you know, back in 2005, you know, when we were all just collectively younger, there was more of that kind of sense of mystery to like new games coming out because, you know, there was less games out there and there wasn't as much of an access to say, like the Internet, for example, that you could like connect to with other community members or, you know, maybe get like a walkthrough or a guide or anything like that. Right. Yeah. So 2025 is obviously better in the sense of like the community being easier to be created and talked about. But, you know, at the same time, like I feel like games nowadays, especially a lot of the games on that right side there, that sense of mystery is still there even with walkthroughs and like, you know, the community that's there to like hold your hand sometimes and like, I don't know. Yeah. And again, the best part about 2025 is that if I want to go back and play the 2005 games, I can do so much easier than back in 2005. You know, back in 2005, you needed either the console or a computer strong enough to run it, which not everybody had. Nowadays, most people who are into games have a computer that's strong enough to play pretty much every game since. So it's just easier in that sense if you want to go back. But I think games nowadays still have that, you know, at least the good ones have that still that sense of mystery. Yeah. And like new refreshing ideas, especially in the indie scene that is like just as good, if not better. Here's the real question, though. Would you rather be in only in terms of video game terms, would you rather be a teenager growing up in the 2005-ish era or the now 2025-ish era? 2005. You think so? I think because you got more holistic packages of games, whereas now, you know, live service games are a massive thing. Like, you know, when we were growing up, it was like you got the new card every year. Yeah. And in between that, you would kind of play different games, but now you can just play Fortnite. Yeah. Because every month they got something new. Yeah. And there's a lot of other games you can play as well. A lot of games that are popular that are live service, like, you know, you show these games, but like those are the games I was playing as a kid. These are not the games that kids are playing nowadays. No, they're not. Right. So this is almost like 2005 kid versus 2025 adult. Yeah. Right. Yeah. Because a kid is not going to be playing all these games. Maybe they'll play Don Combenanza, maybe they'll play Myra Cut World. A kid is not playing any of these games really. A kid is not playing oblivion. That is exclusively like plus 25 mostly. Right. Yeah. You know, I can't imagine like a 14 year old playing Death Stranding 2. Right. I mean, obviously, obviously my friends and they were 13 were playing Skyrim and oblivion. So that's obviously maybe that's not that's a bad point. But I feel like people who would be playing the remake of oblivion probably, you know, it's not a kid. It's probably a guy with a good gaming PC. Yes. I think there are certain games in 2025 that have just become a lot more homogenized, you know, like Fortnite, Minecraft, Roblox, it's every it's the community aspects in those kinds of games are much more prevalent now, I think. Just because every other kid is playing them. So everyone kind of has a similar experience in terms of like the games that they played. Meanwhile, all three of us, we grew up on, you know, seemingly totally different games despite growing up in the same era. Yeah. Yeah. But I think there was an appreciation of the other games that I didn't get to play for either financial reasons or just because I didn't choose to. Yeah. But yeah, I mean, like again, like if this was 2005 games versus kids games or games that you would be playing at like at the same age, it would be 100 percent 2005. But like obviously the peak of gaming now is as such that I think it's it's so fucking good. But there was also a lot of slop back then as well. Oh, totally. Like even pre 2005. And yes, let's talk about constant movie games, the movie. Yeah. Every every fucking triple A movie or something like every big movie had to have a fucking a game counterpart. Like I don't know when the fucking Lost Video Game came out. The series Lost. That was a game that I bought. I bought it exclusively because it was easy to get all the achievements on. But like nobody thinks about these fucking dog shit games that also came out around this time. And it's so easy to look back and think like, wow, shut up the classes. But like there wasn't as many. No. Whereas I feel like now there are so many good games coming up just because of the sheer fact there are infinitely more games being released. Yeah. That it yeah, you are you are very sport for choice. Yes, totally. And yeah, I don't know. I feel like it's such a hard argument to make because it also depends on what genre you are a huge fan of. Like if you like shooters and you're a big shooter guy, maybe you fucking loved the 2010s because that was when like peak like everyone was playing shooters. Yeah. Everyone was playing. The peak of different genres happened at different timelines, right? Yeah. Like JRPG, you know, you could argue the SNES console was like the King and so many good games came out for the SNES or JRPG. Yeah. You know, whereas for a long time there hadn't been quite a lot of big ones because there's a lot of consoles that were struggling to find the platform for them. And now I feel like there's been a bit of resurgence in JRPGs as well. But then 2005 was also like the peak of when Game Boy Advance games came out and there were 95% of Game Boy Advance games and just absolute ass and completely forgettable. Nintendo DS had some truly dog shit. Oh, yeah. Games on it. Yeah. You know, you would get the Super Mario Bros. And that was great. And that would carry you. But then your mom would buy you some weird ass movie tie in like Edge of Tomorrow. You're like, what the fuck is it? It doesn't even look like Tom Cruise. Like just so many weird things that you forget about because you block them out because you remember booting up Super Mario Strikers with your friend and playing for nine hours. Yeah. Because that was so peak. Yeah. But yeah, I don't know. So I think but then on to play devil's advocate, gaming is also more frustrating than it's ever been in terms of, you know, you when you bought a Super Mario Strikers or any game on the GameCube, it ran on the GameCube. Yeah. Now when you buy some Switch games, some of them are even fucking run on the Switch problem. Sure. I'm like, how frustrating is that to new consumers trying to get into gaming or kids trying to explain to them, actually, the graphics cards in the Steam Deck is not good enough. So you can't play that game. It's like, this is fucking, this is like cryptic as shit to it's like trying to find, like read the Regigigos language when actually, that's just unknown. Oh, no, Regigigos is just Morse code. Yeah, Morse code. So not that hard, actually. But, you know, PC is really annoying to use. Some you boot up a fucking PlayStation, asked you on performance or picture mode. You're like, what the fuck is this? Just let me play the game. Like it is. Gaming has become so much shittier and has become a lot more of an expensive hobby. Yeah. Then it wasn't really, I think gaming actually was quite expensive before too, but in a very different way and in a way that didn't feel like you were being taken advantage of. Yeah. Just inflation is like makes up most of the most of the gaming revenues made up from free to play games, which I think is objectively objectively, but I think it's worse for gamers in general, because I think it ends up in making games sometimes be worse off than when they would be. I think do you not like live service games then? I don't really like live service games. I don't know. I really like a complete package. Yeah. I don't mind a DLC. I don't mind, you know, I know the new thing is the whole act one with the Delta Room. They do acts. I don't mind that. I understand the development has gotten very expensive and people should be paid appropriately. And so sometimes you just have to release it in unconventional ways. That's fine. It just sucks to boot up a game, fuck with it so much. And then they're like, all right, come back in 12 hours and you have more energy. Hey, you could speed up a lot of things. If you pay a couple of bucks and you're like, I just, I would just love to be on the same page as everyone else. Like doxels would fucking suck if you got like doxels three and like, oh, struggling there a little bit. You can actually get the Dankarths, the blade of the wise. If you just buy the season pass, you're like, God damn it. God damn it. I just wanted to play the game and just progress. I think as well, like the one. Sorry for ranting. No, no, no, no, I completely agree. I think as well, like the one thing that 2005, at least like, and you know, maybe this is a result of the fact that we were just younger or maybe it's just a sign of the times, but like, I feel like the whole concept of just like LAN and just playing in the same room as another person is basically gone now. Well, whenever I go to LA, I always go to obviously the yard. Yeah, they do a, they do penis star league. Okay. What? They call it penis star league. Okay. And they have headsets on one side that are all hooked up to some crazy expensive broadcasting system. Yeah. So they all have your police station destroy. Yeah. Model for two, Halo three, Model for three, Black Ops two. Yeah. Yeah. And they have a whole like, it's sick. Yeah. And they just do like, land nights where it's like, all right, who wants to hop in? All right, we'll swap teams. All right. This person's winning too much. That's why I think it's so fucking high. Yeah. And that was the thing, right? Like, you know, sure, you could buy Super Mario Strikers, for instance. And just enjoy it as just like the one player game. But the core reason why that game is so goaded is because when you got a bunch of friends over fucking land for controllers and you just go absolutely ham on that game. That was where that game really shined. Yeah. And I feel like now, because it's so easy to just like hop onto a server or hop onto a discord call and just like play with people across the planet, which, you know, has this has its merits don't get me wrong. But it doesn't, I don't know, maybe this is my nostalgia talking, but like, it doesn't have the same excitement as being physically in a room together. It couldn't be me. It couldn't be me. No, I mean, I think this is just a result of of dev time, like development time for games becoming so ex so much exponentially longer. Yeah. Like I think that the prime example of like, of the showcase of how games just take a long to make now is like, look at the Final Fantasy release chart, pull up like how often fine and like mainline Final Fantasy. Yeah. Mainline Final Fantasy game release. Like maybe there's a, maybe there's like a chart or something that will show us and like give us a good gap. I swear someone made one. Not now. That's a list. Maybe there's like a chart. There you go. Images. Images, maybe. Well, maybe you type in chart or something and it come up. Oh, there we go. This kind of helps. Yeah. This helps like open that up. And also at the same time, not just Final Fantasy, but they made like a chrono trigger in the, well, I guess actually at that point, it would have just been, that would have been, was that just square? That was still square soft. Look at this run. Yeah. Back to back to back. Nothing. I see nothing but bangers. Like nothing but bangers dude. Like I kind of like, and when did chrono trigger release again? Chrono trigger was 94. It was around the same time as five, I believe 93, 92, something like that. 95. Like. So after a year after six, like imagine fucking cooking up six and the next year you release chrono trigger off like two games that have like shaped the entire medium, like, like unequivocally. And then also even then onwards from that, we've been when Dev Time got longer and they release, you know, uh, six, seven, because seven came out in nineteen, 97, 97, which is fucking crazy as well. That came out two years after chrono trigger. Like that, that run is, is bonkers. Yeah. And then you see how long it takes now between this final fantasy and the one previous, it is just so much harder to make games. Yeah. And my point being is that like, obviously when it is taking this long and the gap is getting so long between final fantasies. Uh, yeah. It, it, you measure you're in a dev studio and especially when there's a lot of money and it's getting a lot more expensive and wages are higher and you have to sell a lot more copies of those people are going to lose their jobs. Yeah. You just have fucking time to put in co-op only only probably like Nintendo maybe and indie games have the ability to be able to like prioritize stuff like this, but it's no surprise that like a lot of studios like that is by far at the bottom of the checklist. And then, and then you also consider that half the fucking games nowadays release in an absolute appalling state. Yeah. They're never like fully finished. I'm argue. I, I, I said 25 was better, but now I've argued for like five minutes. Okay. Cause I'm looking at this chart. Why gaming is dog shit? Imagine in five years, they released seven, eight, nine and 10 in five years. That is like a generational rock. That is crazy. Like that is like, only took a year between nine and 10. That's nuts. Yeah. So you've been a final fantasy fan from like six onwards, knowing you were going to fucking eat every year. Yeah. Must have been an, a godly feeling. God damn. I mean, Pete could probably be on top. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, there's a reason why I think people like, what happened after 10 then? Uh, well, they changed. So the formula for final fantasy changed a lot. Yeah. I think. Well, they released 11, which was the MMO, which was not very good from what people didn't like. There's still so, but, but one of the biggest changes, Pete told me this and I was like, this blows my mind that this is the best, one of the best quality of life fixes they did for 11 was increase the run speed by 35%. And apparently that was a life changing thing for the gamers of that game. Like that was like, that was like, oh my God, this game is playable. Yeah. How, how badly do you have to fuck up where that change is like, they're like groveling like this is amazing. This is the best thing ever. Anyway, they, they, they changed a lot went towards MMOs and stuff and obviously 14 is very successful, but. And then 13 was not going to get back. Yeah. Now they're trying to bring it back. The traditional style, Final Fantasy and obviously trying to modernize it, but you know, kind of struggling really cause 15 didn't do very well. 15 was mid as hell. And then 16 did well, but I don't think it met the sales that Square were hoping for. Yeah. 16 was 16 was I, it's cool. Yeah. It's cool. I was cool. It was a good game. It's better than 15. That's the phrase. It sucks cause you're like, damn, to have two games not performed really well. And so it's like 10 years. You're like, man, I just, Square is such a fucking awesome studio at making stuff. It's like, man, I just, it would suck if they weren't able to make stuff. I really want stories or something else. There's a lot to it. I mean, the games are objectively harder to make. There's so much mocap now. That's the thing that like it's become more and more and more cinematic since I'd say 12. Yeah. The cutscenes of 16 were insane. Yeah. They were. And like it is objectively amazing to watch, but just somehow isn't as gripping as these four sprites that are like just chatting. You know, it's really fascinating how, you know, obviously, Dev time is taking longer, which means that these studios taking much bigger risks, which is scary, I think. Yeah. But also why indie games are crushing right now. I mean, I'd say that there are still some great modern storylines and presentation is played plays a big factor, obviously, but you can't get around, you know, good storytelling, good characters, good writing. It's always going to come back to that, whether it be a triple A title or just a small indie game, you know, you guys haven't played God of War, but that was something amazing. I heard that's amazing. That was cinematic and was very, very. I mean, last of us to last of us. Obviously the second one people don't really fuck with the first one. And I was absolutely cinematic. Yeah. And kind of I think changed the style of gaming. Yeah. Yeah. Very long. Exactly. And obviously, as you said, Expedition 33 as well. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Amazingly cinematic, great acting, great storyline. So I think in general, from myself playing Final Fantasy 16, it was like, I think the biggest thing was the story. Yeah. It was like, it was all right. It was lacking. It was, it was all right, you know. Unfortunately, it goes back to storytelling. It's hard. It is very hard. Very, very, very, very hard. Oh, yes. Yeah. But you know, it's hard to say. Yes. All right. Shall we move on to the next one? God, I miss Gale of Darkness, dude. That was such a good game. I never played that one. I never played that one. It's such a good game. I tried in the UK to get that so much on fucking. Gale of Darkness and Colosseum. Amazing. Expensive game to get. It's so expensive now. All right. 2005, 2025, Tech and Internet. Do we need to write this one down? What do you mean? Really? It's so simple for you. Yeah. It's so simple. Hold on. I got to, yeah. All right. This one is simple as fuck. I don't want us all to have the same answers constantly. But like for this one. Okay. All right. Three. Wait. Let me think. Let me think. It's. Hmm. Okay. I'll go with this. Okay. Three, two, one. Yeah. Yeah. I kind of figured you were both going to do that. So I was considering. I mean, that's why I was like, for audio listeners, we should explain. We all pick 2005. We all pick 2005. I saw the CRT and I'm like, say less. So, you know, obviously. It's not even the CRT. Explain maybe some of the tech in 2005. Flip phones. U-Torrent, which I think is still very much around. It's still around. YouTube, CRTs, X-Box 360. The iPod. YouTube, PSP, iPod, the Game Boy Mini, which was. Micro. Micro, I think. Micro, which is dog shit, quite frankly. Yeah. MySpace versus the tech of nowadays, which you can imagine very much. Spotify is the tick tocks, the AI. Well, you know, I mean, I think 2020 tech, I might have been a bit more lenient on, but it's all this AI garbage that has absolutely. God, I actually. Why would you say 2020? Because they weren't fucking obsessed with shoving AI down your throat. No, no, no. It doesn't matter if it's AI. There's always 20, the 2020s, I guess, has been the trend of whatever new hot tech fad has come out. Now it's AI. Before it was NFTs. Before that, it was like blockchain stuff. There's always something new. 2005 was just the wild west for the internet. Like you just didn't know what to expect. Everything was new. Nothing like it had existed before. And we're very blessed. At least people in our generation are very blessed to be there. Basically, well, to have experienced life before all of this and at the birth of all of this as well. So it's like, yeah, I guess if you look at it, just even not even through like a nostalgia perspective, just the fact that it just used to be simple, but also just so exciting back in the day. And then you look at it now and everything is like algorithmic. Everything is AI. Everything is over complicated. Maybe I think modern tech is the reason for the degradation of modern society. I mean, yeah. I laughed, but I'm like, shit, he's kind of spinning. It's like, okay, let's ignore the fact that the power that we have, the computing power at least that we have at our fingertips now is better than ever. Functionality wise, quality of life wise. I feel like there's so much tech there that is literally stepping backwards as opposed to stepping forwards for a lot of education. In certification, a lot of aspects of our lives. Before you'd have modern tech that would bring new innovations that would genuinely bring a better quality of life or whatever function they were innovating in. Nowadays, it feels like whatever new innovations are coming up in the tech world. Some of the times they are actually making the product legitimately worse. Yeah. There are some things that I really, really like about modern tech. There are some things that I really don't like. And I don't have the same like polarizing view of all the technology, even though there was some real stinkers back then as well. Like torrenting was a lot shittier back then. Torrenting now is kind of nice. It's a lot easier now. Wait, what are you talking about? Torrenting is exactly the same. There are a lot more tools now to make it easier. And like sorting programs, stuff like that. Like before, I remember having the, you know, when you downloaded the music and it was all like various artists on your thing and you go and get, if you wanted the album pitch, you could download it and stuff like that. Now you can just download programs to do it all for you. I don't know. I like that though. You like, like, well, you like, because you imagine you're in like a coffee shop and you're like sorting your album. She's like, yeah, I'm not even coffee shop. I was on my fucking family. I'm just being like, oh, okay. I like that now you could, if you were to pirate now, which obviously I don't do that. But if I was, for example, you could have a home, a home server, and you can use it on any device in the house. And you can have this sorting thing that goes through your files, gets the subtitles, gets the cover art, tells you the director is, and oh, wow. It's like, give you a, but I would never do that, obviously, but you could do that. Yes. Theoretically, you could do that. Yes. I'm sure one of the shittiest eyes will walk you through it. But then there are also things that I think have gotten worse. Like social media is unequivocally worse. It was kind of hype back then. It was actually fun. There was less ads. Obviously, they were going to have to have ads at some point, but you would just get served only what your friends are up to. I didn't have to worry what some fucking viral post was going on in America. It was like, I just saw what Gant and Joey were doing on Facebook. And it genuinely felt like a community thing. Yeah. There wasn't a machine telling you what you think you might like more than what you think you might like. It was actually fucking awesome. Like you felt like you were in control of the thing that you create in a weird way. It's not just that. One of the big reasons why I think tech is inadvertently, I guess, getting worse is because everything's becoming so homogenized in literally everything. It's the same apps, the same functionality. Even the same, there is just far less choice that we have right now because we get fed what's an algorithm or an AI program tells us that we think we should like. And that we don't even need to choose a video anymore. We just need to scroll. There's no discovery anymore. Yeah. There's no discovery. There's no control over it. In the best sense, I feel like a lot of the tech I interact with now, I just have a lot less control. You do a fucking Google search and you can't even control the fucking search that you're trying to search for because it feeds you whatever it whatever else you want. You try to search a video. Have you ever tried searching a video on modern YouTube? Yeah. It just never gives you what you searched for. Bro, that is true. It's like the first five videos are just like, that's cool and all, but I think you should watch this and say, yeah. You know, also terrible when you buy something on Amazon. The like first 10 things are sponsored. Yeah. Oh, I hate that shit. I, if I ever buy anything on Amazon, I on purposefully, I will not click any of the sponsored ones. Just be like, fuck you. Yeah. I don't like you. Yeah. I don't like that you're putting ads when I'm already paying you. Motherfucker, stop that shit. Yeah. I just remember like, and you know, again, this might be as a result of being an 11 year old child during this era, but like just that whole sense of like mystery and wonder of like, I don't know what the fuck is out there. But when you find that one thing that you've really resonate with that you didn't even know maybe even existed and you're like, whoa, this thing is so cool. And then you look around and you're like, wait, no one else knows about this. And you know, it's like, this is my like little thing. I feel like that has just gotten so much harder nowadays because now information travels faster. Everyone is online now. And again, it's like everyone, as you said, this like everything's homogenous. Like every everything leads back to the same five to 10 things that everybody shares. All right. I don't know if you feel this way, but a great joy back in 2005 was setting up a new device. It was fun to set up new devices. Yeah. Yeah. And to like learn what they do. Now I fucking dread having to set up any fucking new device I get. Yeah. Because I'm like, God fucking damn it. Getting a new phone is actually like quite cumbersome. Like having to transfer everything over to a new phone. It is really shitty. I know that there's like the auto important stuff, but it's never like perfect. You have to resign into everything. Yeah. It's just it's kind of a baller like using tech. Yes, it does enhance your life a lot in certain aspects, but in other aspects, it's just worse. Like, I mean, even like even me when I know I fucking live off Uber Eats, I probably shouldn't have the ability to do that. I recognize like I should probably be forced to cook and do all this stuff. It's great that I can't. And also I know there are benefits people who, you know, this tech does help a lot of people who maybe would not have the ability to maybe take care of themselves. Like if you're, you know, some people who are disabled, it's great that they can have these things because then maybe they can't cook for themselves. And there are some tech that have absolutely helped in that capacity, but like generally quality of life, I feel like is worse. Yeah. Streaming services now have gotten to the point where it's like, what the fuck are we doing? If you have more than like four streaming services like that you subscribe to, I feel like you're just being taken advantage of. Yeah. You have submitted yourself to the AI over all this point. Gaming consoles are like, okay, the switch is like really the only one that's kind of like that feels worthwhile. PlayStation doesn't really feel. I mean, what the fuck is the point of gaming consoles anymore? Like seriously, aside from just convenience of just playing a plug and play. I guess that was the whole point, right? The whole point was that it was like you could just hand it to anyone and they could figure it out. Yeah. And I do think we're losing that and it is a shame because I do think gaming on PC is still a little too intimidating to get into. Yeah. Because there's like, oh, your graphics card can't run this game or even like the Steam Deck, which I've said multiple times. I think it is really like shitty handing a Steam Deck to someone who doesn't really understand gaming because they don't understand why a game can't run and why it might run badly or how they could maybe improve the performance. It's not, it's not like, hey, maybe you're turning off all the shaders, you know, maybe or like the shadows to learn. Like that's not intuitive to learn that stuff. Yeah. And nor should you have to. I don't even know what that does. Like some of the settings, I'm like, what the fuck does this? Okay. Yeah. What difference does emotion blur being on? I'm going to be real for a second. I have no idea what the fuck ray tracing is. To be fair, I don't actually care. Do you know what ray tracing is? No, I don't game on PC for this exact reason. Okay. Ray tracing is old news, by the way. Okay. It is old and I have already not. Okay. I already don't know what it is. So ray tracing, from my understanding, is like instead of you having to, let's say, like design the light in the room and like have that be a thing that you have to create it. Ray tracing is like if you had an object, like you put the sun somewhere in the room, it will then naturally make that given the surroundings, like show the lighting and make that lighting look. So does that take more processing power? Yeah. Okay. But it looks better. Right. And so that's why you need the ray tracing. Can we, can we, can we, can we get a comparison? Comparison. And also, no, no, so the big thing now is frame generation. That's the big thing. Okay. What is ray tracing? Why should I care? Yeah. Yeah. Light transport variety. Okay. I was, I was somewhat close. So. Whereas frame generation is the new thing. What's frame generation? Well, so now it's DLS, DSLL, DLSS, right. DLSS, which I don't know what that sounds for. But basically when your computer is running a thing now, it basically is to make every single frame. Whereas this new thing is that it will make one frame and use AI to make the rest of the frames. So you get like a super high like AI like 400 FPS. Okay. But like a third, like two thirds of the frames are like kind of like extrapolated from the one frame. I don't like that. I don't like the idea of that. It's very popular. Yes. I'm a Breal man. Like I look at that image and Yeah. I mean, yeah, but also not really. Joey, Joey, come here. It's meant to be like more realistic. Yeah. That's the idea. So, so. I know Joey's going to break. Joey couldn't, Joey couldn't tell the between 60 and 140. So I don't want to. Yeah. I frankly don't. And I think practically that's a way. So okay. So ray tracing is on the left. Okay. What's the difference? It's more lighting. It's better graphics. Yeah. I could see some of the difference. Basically, it is, it is meant to be a like one to one simulation of physics. So that like, if you put a light source, instead of like you having to put more manual lighting and put like more effects, if you just put a sun in the thing, it will generate the lighting. Yeah. Like organically. So the big reason why, well, I never really cared about ray tracing. And I guess this confirms it for me was because I look at this and I'm like, how does this make a better game? No, no, no, it doesn't. It doesn't. But this is, but again, it's how more grounded in reality. How do I sell you a better mattress? No, no, that's, that's the whole point when I talk about like innovation, where there's certainly of these buzzwords about features that I don't think, you know, brings any better, you know, any better quality of life for a product I'm trying to get. For example, in ray tracing, yes, you get slightly better graphics, but overall, is this a big thing that's going to mean that I'm going to want to play a better game or that's going to result in a better game? Is this something that I'm willing to put thousands of dollars to buy for a high end hardware gaming PC or whatever new hardware comes out in order to experience this? And my, my, my honest, my honest answer is no. Whereas before you buy a new console and you like get such a huge graphical upgrade or get so much more bang for your buck. I think it's like any hobby. Like there are audio files that will be like, I need electricity that's clean. Like, I mean, you know what I mean? Like people, like what do you mean you don't listen in? I think gaming is like one of the most popular hobbies. And for some people, like getting every inch out of a PC is like part of the hobby. Like it is not about does this enhance my game? It's can I buy something and like feel like I'm getting a lot of value out? And this is one of those things. And like it is very impressive when you're playing this. Obviously it's a still image. So you're not really getting it, but like it is quite, it can be quite compelling at times. And I think although not necessarily improving the game, I think anything that improves the technology and allowing you to make certain things more accessible, someone down the line will find a really cool way to use it, which you know, I think is like, it's like, I don't know, like RPG maker is like, wow, I don't need this. Who the fuck needs this? But then there's like, you can make some really fucking cool things in RPG maker and tell some really interesting stories. Totally. From this tech that well, not necessarily similar. And it's pretty bad argument in comparison, but basically I think just tech being better and around is good for people to be able to make better things because you never know. I 100% agree with that. It was the point I was trying to make was more about this modern tech vibe where it almost seems like sometimes from my perspective, you know, that's this just like one example from my expect from my perspective, a lot of new tech innovations, or it almost seems like a buzzword as opposed to an actual innovation that I used to feel like where you'd have something new and it would literally seem like something fucking game changing. Yeah. Have you seen the press conference where Steve Jobs announced the first iPhone? Yeah. God, like the amount of fucking video essays that reference this. Like a fucking movie. I haven't seen this again. I have to explain to me. No, just like the fucking just imagine being there when he announced the iPhone. Just like it was you were there witnessing history being made of something that was like genuinely like genuine life changing tech. Yeah. Right. Because there was nothing like this. There was nothing like this. And then you go to like modern Apple where they are the same fucking thing every year. Yeah. Where they released the same function where they keep us keep functionality from us and then introduce functionality that was available five years ago. You're like, damn. Yeah. The new innovation in Apple is like we got rid of the lightning cable guys. I know. Crazy. They were kind of forced to. Yeah, they were. I'm glad they did. But like I think your quality of life is worse. Yeah. I mean, some tech is good that it's good. Some tech is good. I'm not saying all tech is like that, but I'm saying generally in this case of just like 2025 versus 2005, damn. Yeah. Tech wishes. Tech wishes. Good and exciting. Exciting. But then also like I think of it as like we are very healthy and able people. And I imagine that like if we poise the same question to someone who maybe has a lot more, who's maybe more introverted or maybe has some disabilities, like tech now is so fucking infinitely better, right? Because like it allows them to like actually live and Oh yeah. into a world that they didn't have access to. Yeah. And so it is kind of like, god damn, like I just wish these companies would stop being shitty, but that's never going to happen. That's never going to happen. It's not the tech itself. It is. No. It's the people making the tech. Guys, it's corporations. Down the corpore. Corporations. Okay. Let's say you're the age you are now. Yeah. Would you rather be in this tech or old tech? I think it's still rather be in this tech. What do you mean? Like I look back fondly on 2005, but I don't think I'd want to live into the 2005 tech. Like today? Yeah. I don't know. I think we're genuinely getting to a point where we, you know, there are trends starting where people are trying to get less tech. Trying to live with less tech just because we have Yeah. This whole idea of like less screen time in your day to day, right? Identified how unhealthy it has become. It used to be that the internet was an escape from the real world. And now the real world is an escape from the internet. Yeah. I don't actually, maybe this is me, old man shouting at cloud. I don't actually think we need exactly all of the tech we are so addicted to. Some of it, as you said, very, very important. But a lot of it is just, you know, seemingly... It's space to fill boredom. Yeah. Yeah. That's what it's become. Yeah. When I was in America, I needed headphones and I door dashed headphones. I didn't have time. You door dashed headphones? Because I had to go in one hour. I did not have time to go to the store. Right. I needed this. And I was like, I door dashed headphones. And so I, they're like 200... I have to make sure I'm not... Okay. I have these ones. They're like the ones that like go on like the bone. Not sponsored by the... No, it's not. They're really fucking good. And I was looking at them anyway. Now I need to get them. Oh, because I didn't have the headphones I needed to do the like IRL live streaming. And I door dashed them. And it was like... So the headphones are 200 bucks. I had a tip like 8% and then it came to like 250 bucks. Yeah. And then on the way... On the way to me, you get the notification like, Hey, do you want to get a coffee as well? I was like, sure, why not? Yeah, I fucking throw in a coffee. So I threw in a coffee and it was a coffee that was like 100... No. It was like 400 meters away from me. Easily could have walked it. But they're like, do you want to get it? I was like, yeah, fuck it. It's free. Why not? I threw it on. But I got the coffee too. And when I arrived, I felt so degenerate because he delivered the headphones and he's like, I'm going to go get your coffee now. I was like, oh, I thought it was like on the way. I didn't... So he went back, got the coffee, came back and then I was like, now I feel degenerate. Like I should have just walked to get the coffee. And frankly, I never should have had the option to be able to do this in the first place. I feel like... I didn't even know that was an option. Yeah, I didn't know. But in the same time, I was like, this is awesome that I could get this headphones in an emergency. Like I needed it in an hour and I got it. But at the same time, something felt so like decadent about being able to do that. And being able to like spend that money to get this stuff. I felt weird. Everything about it felt... I didn't... And the fact that I could be like, I get a coffee for free on us too. I was like, this is all so weird. Like everything about this feels wrong. And I can't articulate why I feel like this is wrong because I'm not smart. But I think maybe someone can articulate why that felt wrong. With all the modern convenience of modern tech, because it is a lot more convenient now. To me, to live in these times, I can't deny that. Are you happier? Are you happy with the convenience you have? Oh, shit. I think so. You think so? I think... I mean, for me, I saved my fucking ass that I could do that. Otherwise, I would have had to like panic, drive. Yeah. To Best Buy, to do this and said, someone else drove. To Best Buy and then brought it to my house. And I quite frankly, didn't want to do that. So I don't know. I think I'm happier. But I think this comes from... I feel like I have the self-control to be able to decide when I've had enough. But I don't know if everyone has that. No, no, no. Everyone doesn't. Not everyone has that. Like it took like just the fucking, you know, the will of God's just to uninstall like X Twitter on my phone. Even though I know, I know how fucking unhealthy that is. And why did it take so much fucking effort to do that? Yeah. You know? And... Well, maybe it's because our jobs are more reliant on the internet. Also like push notifications. Yeah. I fucking hate that. Yeah. BBC News, right? I get it. It's important. But what they classify as breaking news. Yeah. Don't fucking send me a push notification for this shit. Yeah. I think only... You should... Like these apps should only be allowed to send me a fucking notification if it's important. Yeah. Do you like short form scrolling content? No. Yes and no. I get sucked into it. Yeah. Yeah. I don't like it. I know. I have to consciously tell myself that I'm only doing it for a certain amount of time. Yeah. I literally put a timer on my phone to be like, anything longer than this and it's over. The fact that I have to be conscious about something means that this is like, this is already taking willpower. Yes. And I'm not strong enough. I, you know, sometimes you go to the toilet, you just scroll. And then you get sucked in sometimes and there are some sessions where you're like, fuck, I feel bad. For me, it's the morning. And when I wake up in bed, I can't get out of bed for 30 minutes. I'm fucking scrolling like a moron. Unless I'm on like a fucking tight deadline, I got to get out of bed and do some shit. And it's just, there's so much where I'm like, I know this is unhealthy for me, but I still can't stop myself. I've recently broken that cycle, not the waking up side of things. I still struggle with that because I'm definitely... It's hard, man. ...the person where it's like, wake up, turn my alarm off, and then just from there, it's such a natural thing of just swipe off. Because I catch up to all the shit I've... Yeah. Because, you know, we also, we live on, we work with a lot of people on different time zones. Yeah. And so I naturally, I think we all have messages from people from like America or Australia or the UK. Well, I use free management, but like UK. So I'm always catching up to something. Yeah. But I have managed to, in the past couple of months, fix the whole thing of like, when I'm going to bed. Yeah. Like now I'm just like, all right, at a certain time, I'm like, no more phone, put that shit away, put it on the charger, put it away, read a book or whatever, and then go to bed. And it's been fucking life changing. So nice. But now I just got to do that for the morning part now, which is way hard. Because I'm like, yeah, but what if someone messaged me while I was asleep? And it's important. Yeah. Yeah. I'm pretty bad at reply. So we'll get there one day. So yeah, in conclusion, we are... 2005 goaded. Technology scary as per usual. Yeah. Technology. Technology. Go outside more. I'd also add, would you prefer to have the current internet, basically speeds and like facilities, but keep the old retro tech, like 2005 tech, but with current internet speeds? I don't know. Oh, that's a good question. I think I kind of like the old. I think the old is suited it well. And it was part of its time. Yeah. I think it worked well for the speeds that we had, because it was obviously built around accompanying those speeds. I don't think increasing the internet speed on all this old tech will necessarily make it better or worse. Because it's a product of its time. And for half of these things, like the iPod, like the CRT, you didn't even need internet. You could just fucking use it. You know? Fair enough. Shall we see the next thing? Yep. Movies or TV shows? Let's see. Oh, anime. Oh, it's anime. Okay. Why is Doraemon 2005? It is not 2000. That shows me in the 70s. Okay. Let's write down our answers. Oh, God. God, I hope we do different answers at least for this one. This is hard, actually. So anime that came out in 2005 versus anime of today. Three, two, one. Oh, my God. God, we all put the same 25. Wait, I'm curious to hear why you put 2025, Joey. I just think it's fucking, I think like the anime- Nukitashi. Well, yeah, that's a- We wouldn't have got that. We wouldn't have got P- We wouldn't have got that in 2005. We wouldn't have got that. They would be too scared to put that much force on the timeline. I think anime has gotten better because like the- Not only has just the audience space for anime gotten larger, but the demand has gotten larger because of that. And therefore, there is more pressure on most studios now to just make higher quality products. You know? And I think like, regardless of your current taste in like, you know, old versus new or nostalgia or anything like that, because I'm looking- I'm trying to take away my nostalgia because clearly, I'm way more fond of the left side of the screen than I am the right side. But that's not to say that like, you know, I'm throwing away the entirety of the right side. I've fucking watched most of these on the right side. So it's like, and they're great. And they're a pro- And you know, the 2005 stuff, yes. I like how one piece is both in 2025. Yeah, 2025. It's also in the 90s as well, you think about it. But like- Yeah, exactly. But you know, I think like just now that because there is a higher demand and more anime is being made, yes, there is more slop, but there is also more good stuff too. Yeah. And the fact that there is more of a choice now and the fact that the niches now of each shows is more catered to more specific niches rather than broader topics compared to say, 2005 or earlier. I think just A, makes it easier for you to actually get into the medium to begin with. But B, you just get higher quality stuff. And there's nothing wrong with high quality stuff. I mean, look, like if they fucking animated Dandanan back in 2005, I don't think it would have been good as if they made it today. Or with most of these, Guchyakta couldn't be made 2005. Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest thing, I think this would actually be a harder question if it wasn't 2005 versus 2025. There's 2020, 2000 versus 2020. Because I feel like 2000's anime, even if it was just 2010's anime versus 2020 anime, that would be a lot harder of a conversation. Because I think in the 2000's, the anime industry was going into, was kind of adopting digital animation. I think a lot of the 2000's anime is characterized by, you know, them figuring out how to make digital animation look good. And so for every banger you got, there were a lot of shows you watch again. You're like, didn't look great. Damn, this, this. Brother, what's that? It's kind of the same with TV, right? Like I was watching, I've been rewatching Peep Show again for like the fucking 90th time. And it was made when they started filming digitally, but like 720p was the max. Yeah. And it looks like shit today. It does not look good. But then you watch it from 1950s or 60s, because they recorded it on film, it looks amazing. Yeah. And I think the same thing with anime, where it's like, it, unfortunately 2000's early was when they kind of was at that. Let's talk about 2000's anime CGI. Well, what little there was. You remember Studio Gonzo, Joey? Remember Studio Gonzo CG? How could I forget? Yes. You know, it's funny, funny to you, Rich, this, but you know, one of the big reasons why anime is improved is just technology. Yeah. That's one benefit of technology. Tech technology has given animators more tools. There's a lot of tedious tasks in animation that you know, a lot of technology helps with. Yeah. And I think in general, you know, there are great stories in 2005 and there were trendsetters in 2005, but there are also trendsetters in 2025 as well. Absolutely. I think it's hard to argue whether the quality of shows in one decade versus another was better or worse, because they, I mean, they, they both had fucking bangers. There are some. It depends what you define quality as. This is also, this, this one is also tough because 2025 is obviously more in line with current tastes and we're probably into. Yeah. Whereas 2005, I mean, I was like nine and only a handful of anime I look back really, really fondly on. What do you mean? Like obviously, even if I don't think Dunderdown is my favorite show, there's a lot that I vibe with in the show. It's very current. It feels very up, up to date. And I think that's fun. Yeah. And that's very, that makes it very easy to consume and enjoy. Whereas, you know, some of these older ones, other than like samurai shambler, I might have a harder time fucking with it, like, mushishi. Mushishi. Like it's a little slower. It's a little like part of its time. And it doesn't mean it's not amazing. It just means that like, you know, at the time when it came out, there's a different audience. The tastes are different. The taste of change. And I think that's also why I picked 2025. But I'm a victim of my time. And I'm sure that when I'm, you know, 2045, I probably won't fuck with the anime coming out because I'm going to be older shit. Like I pretty fuck with the stuff because more in line with my age group now. Yeah. Also, I think a lot of people forget that like, and clearly they have like rose tinned glasses on when they look back at like 2000s anime. And I'm also victim of this as well. Yeah. A lot of the great shows out there that people remember fondly, like just don't really look that good. And in terms of like the actual quality of animation as well, like, bro, you ever go back to like, I know this is like before 2005, you ever go back to like the first season of Pokemon that we all grew up watching dog? It's a fucking PowerPoint. It's like genuinely like bad in some episodes. Whereas you look at like modern Pokemon anime, it's fucking insane. Yeah. I'm like, oh my God, these guys are actually moving. It's crazy. But I do think there was a raunchiness to some stories, but I did get turned down by the 2005. Well, there was raunchiness because they were coming off of the 90s OVA year, where there was just no holds bar. But this was around the time where anime was getting really commercialized. Yeah. I would say that's 2025. It's a real awkward time for anime. It is. It is. I would say that 2025, unlike, let's say like the 90s and 80s, which had their own vibes, 2005 or just mid 2000s anime in general, is kind of like everything that was started in this era, I think has gotten refined into the modern era. I agree. Whereas, you know, there are some eras before where you had like the fucking OVA era, where it was going back to those era. It just felt totally fucking different in a lot of senses, especially with, you know. Very distinct. Yeah. You look at 90s fantasy and it's such a different vibe to like everything post 2000 fantasy. Because then you started the whole Isekai trend. And you know, instead of getting transported to a world and people trying to get back to the original world, it's more about the escapism of going to another world and staying in that other world and being a fucking gigaj�t or whatever. And aura farming. Yeah. I I I I I I would say this would be a much tougher question if it was any other era than the mid 2000s era. I do think that this was an era. There are fucking bangers in this era. Holy shit, this is the era that got me into anime. But it was an era looking back on it where anime started to refine its footing and has grown into where anime is today. It was trying to rediscover itself after the experimental phase of the 90s, I feel. And I think up until this time, again, as Garn said, it hadn't quite gotten its foot in the door yet. Yeah, cause it feels like 2010 versus 2025. I pretty good 2010. Yeah, I would definitely say so. Yeah, 2010 was definitely around the time where I was like, okay, now we actually understand what anime is and where is it going to go. I think that's when I think of like anime as the modern sense of it. Yeah, definitely. The Code Geass, definitely. That's when I feel like, well, even though death is like 2009. But like that's when it became like anime, like the modern anime fandom that we all know. Yeah, I would say definitely it was actually 2007 actually. Oh my gosh. Yeah, oh so. But I would say that, you know, a lot of the bangers that we talk about in the year 2000s come towards more towards like the end of 2000s. Oh, seven to like, oh 10. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'd say so. Yeah. Early 2000s anime, there's a lot of fucking awkward shows that is very, as much as I have a soft spot for them because I grew up with them, is very awkward to recommend today. Yeah. You know, cause it's like, it's just like, the show didn't really know what it was doing or just it was definitely just a product of its time. Cause like, you know, I feel like just media, not just anime, but like just media in general. And music is definitely the same thing, which I'm sure we'll get to eventually. The 2000s, most people didn't really know what the fuck they wanted to do. Yeah. They were still trying to come off of the 90s, you know, identity of like, this is what it is currently. And then when the century rolled over, people were like, yeah, but is it though? I don't know. Maybe we should, you know, fuck around and figure out what we're trying to do. And this was, I mean, I love the fact as well, by the way that half of these shows on the left aren't from 2005 at all. Yeah. It's kind of weird. But like four of those are from the 90s. Yeah. That is weird. Oh, but we get the point. Yeah. All right. Should we move on? Yeah. What's next? Movies and TV. Movies and TV. Ooh. Okay. Okay. Okay. Why is Charlie in the chocolate factory there? I feel like that's a weird choice. I mean, this is pretty easy for me if I'm being honest. Why is war at the world? That's not, that's like putting sharknado. Yeah. The Alex's choices are a bit interesting. It's unfortunate. Cause I think this year in particular has been really shipped for movies. But last year was pretty good. Yeah. Dune two is like, I really, damn, this is tough. This is unfair. Cause I feel like I would have done different things from movies and TV. But you know what? I'll just go on the middle here and I'll do this. Can't be looking at the same answers for everything. I wonder. Okay. All righty. Three, two, one. I said, I'm fine. I literally went down the middle because I did have a different answer. Okay. I would have done, that's what I would have done. Yeah. So Gantt did 2005 for TV and 2005 for movies. Jerry did 2005. I didn't know that was an option, Gantt. Yeah. I just made that an option because it was movies and TV. I agree. I think movies this year, not that great. And I... K-pop demon hunters. Well look, I'm right. Shut the fuck up. I also, demon hunters became Netflix's most successful thing ever. I'm not even surprised. And I'm happy. I'm happy to. K-pop demon hunters, unironically, is one of the most exciting things to happen in the modern movie industry for a long time. Because it's something that's not a fucking sequel or remake. It's a modern IP. It's actually a new thing. That is new. And I totally don't, it doesn't vibe with me, but I 100% respect it and support it all the way. So I think, when we talk about gaming, we were very fortunate when we got to see a good chunk of the later part of early gaming. And we got to experience PlayStation 1, which is probably, like, SNES is when, they started to really refine gaming, I think. We didn't have to go through the Atari slop days and all these other, like Commodore, even though I know there's some classics there. We didn't grow up with that, which I think is very fortunate. Cause we kind of got the tail end of early gaming that started to be really good and really fun. Whereas movies, movies have been around for a very long time. And the idea of a blockbuster has been around before we were born. And so I think film as a medium, as we've known it, has not changed an incredible amount in comparison to gaming. So I think going into this discussion and thinking about movies in that sense then is interesting, because gaming has just changed so much. And now it's kind of becoming a bit more, like the same over the past. Games from 2025, not crazy different from 2015, other than like live service. But you know, movies we can tell. And I think movies, 2005, fucking amazing. Oh yeah. We've had a lot of shitty movies lately, but mainly I think this is due to, because movies are extremely expensive and there's not a lot of avenues for movies to make money outside of streaming. Yes. Like, I mean, the fact that came up with Demon Hunters was straight to Netflix. Like that's crazy. Happy Gilmore 2, straight to Netflix. The only... I didn't even know they made a Happy Gilmore 2. It was bad, I watched it. Yeah, I bet. Why did anybody think that Happy Gilmore 2 might potentially be better? But you know, it was like, it was a full nostalgia bit movie. Of course it was. And it's fine, because I don't... If that's the case, just go watch the first movie. Yeah, I don't care, because Adam Sandler seems to have fun and he makes movies and whatnot. But like Jurassic World, I mean, no one should be forced to watch that film. What's that like Mon Scorsese, like quote again, where he was like, he hates the fact that like nowadays, like cinema is just a bunch of people getting into tight costumes and acting in front of a green screen. No, I didn't say it was like... Modern blockbusters are a roller coaster or something. Oh yeah, yeah, that's right. It's like a theme park. Like a theme park. Yeah. Like it's all about like... You probably got that quote completely wrong, but... Yeah, it's something like that. Whereas like, it's all about like the thrills and like the excitement of a film, but there's no actual like emotional depth. And like, I kind of half agree with that, because you know, there's like lots of like, say independent films that are being made, which you know, still definitely are cinema and are great, but you go to like the cinemas now and it's like every other movie is just like, oh, okay, here's a bunch of famous actors in front of a green screen. All right, cool. Yeah, yeah, I mean, I like F1 the movie a lot. I watched that. That was a very good movie. Yeah, yeah. I wouldn't say it's a bunch of actors in front of a green screen. It's more of just... You, to me, modern blockbusters feels very, very samey, you know? They have to be safe. Yeah, they have to be safe. It's not about getting a mid-sized movie and making a lot of profit off of that. It's about taking big budgets and making a big summer blockbuster. But also what that means is that you tick off a lot of the same fucking boxes all the time to appeal to as wide of an audience as you possibly can. Yeah, no, certainly. Because there's no way in hell, for example, that like if Sin City came out in 2025, that it would have any fucking attention. Yeah, I mean, even like the American pie, you know that it was a great movie, but like that, you know, and super bad. Like these types of films just wouldn't be made. Oh, dude, the whole concept of comedy films is dead now. Yeah. There are no comedy films anymore. Because they would make money through VHS or DVD sales and you know, whatever, you know, rentals, whatever. And all the revenue for making movies is gone. Like it is, you can only make it from a performing one on streaming services, which doesn't make much, or movie tickets, which you have to sell so many to make your money back now that it fucking sucks. Yeah. And that, you know, even though Superman was a good film, I think the genre is just very stale and overdone at this point where a lot of people feel like burned by it, me included. Yeah. I've complained numerous times about this on the show. I think we all have. Fucking sick of superhero movies, dude. And I say that, but then there's like fucking Batman here, superhero movie, and then obviously Harry Potter and Star Wars and like this. There was this conversation about superhero fatigue all the way back in 2005. Yeah. When a Spider-Man came out, Batman, the whole Batman trilogy came out. People were already talking about this 20 years ago. And it's only gotten worse. And now it's only gotten worse. Yeah. But that being said, on the flip side, yeah, TV I think is more interesting and almost better than it's ever been. I literally have no opinion because I just don't really watch TV shows. And I never really did back in the day either. So I'm only specifically talking about movies. I've been watching the Alien Earth show. And that's really good. It's like a series from the Alien franchise. Really fucking interesting, really well done. And like super interesting, even though that is a very old franchise. It's the franchise that I quite like. The Alien World is so cool. Yeah. I just like the fact that TV series nowadays don't need to have like 15 seasons of 24 episodes per season run to just tell a story. You know, what I like about TV series nowadays is that it's become not only a lot more digestible, but also just a lot more condensed. And I think generally high quality, you know? You don't really get the... I remember I've been recommended clips of like Dexter again recently. And I enjoy... Every TV show back in the day is characterized by, oh yeah, like I enjoy the first two seasons of that. And they just fell off, right? Like lost, yeah. I enjoy like the first few seasons and then I just stopped watching. And I feel like nowadays, it's more of just, yo, every season gets better and better and then it ends. Yeah, they don't say they will. And that's fucking great. And I love that. And that's the way I think it should be rather than a TV series getting renewed just because of the fact that it's popular. Not because of... Yeah, I mean, there was less TV in general and you were competing against less. And now you have to compete against so many things. So it is better. But then sometimes you have to wait like five years between seasons now and you're like, God damn it. I'd rather wait five years for seasons for some of the quality that we're getting, you know? Yeah. I don't want to wait five years. I'll be honest with you. I like if sevens took like, if I have to wait that long again for another season, I'm probably just gonna not care anymore. It'd be a decade in my life for what is an equivalent of like 10 hours of TV. Yeah, this is why I never got into TV shows as a concept. I think it is a valid argument to be like, it is taking too long for some shows. Like House of the Dragon, love season one, took so long for season two and not much happened. And that's because of the style of show. But I feel like that should have been a factor in consideration when making the show. Like look, season two is gonna be a lot of buildup. We should probably plan around shooting these back to back. Let's make the preparations. Obviously that's a risk that some studios aren't willing to take, but then what ends up happening is that people just don't give a fuck anymore because they've already moved on. They're already onto the next thing. It's not in their minds anymore. I think the, I think it's a legitimate complaint. I don't think it's a containment. I think it's like when you take too long between certain things, you often don't have the fan power to stick around the same way a Star Wars might. Well, I would argue that- But I agree, quality is best. Yeah, we, you know, obviously quality is great. Obviously I'm of the philosophy of I will wait for as long as needs be to get a good quality product. We live in an age where information is as easy to get as ever. If you really want, if it was that good of a quality that's, you know, the hype might have died down, but let's take Severance for example. You know, I still really enjoyed a lot of the second season and it didn't take me too long to catch up. All you needed to do was just watch some fucking recap videos and there you caught up to- Yeah, but what if I don't want to watch the recap videos? I also wish that if a season takes more than three years for the next season to come out, I think it should be mandatory and law that you have a little mini recap before you start the first episode done by the show. I need them to tell me. There are some shows that do that. I fucking love it when they do. I'm pretty sure Severance did that. I think Severance did. But three zero, those motherfuckers, they needed a recap. I had to go to YouTube. I had to pause the first episode. I mean, I was like, I got to watch a recap. I felt like they should have done it. But I think there is a, the sad truth of people is that even if it takes five years to make the show absolutely perfect, if you are missing that hype, you know, sometimes that results in us watching. And if that happens, maybe there's just not enough money or interest to fund the next season of that would have been perfect show. And so I do think there is this real concern that you do have to kind of keep all your audiences engaged if you're keeping them on for a, you know, a ride. So we're talking about the business side of things now. But no, but I'm saying like, obviously in an ideal world, I would love for the show to be perfect. And if it takes five years, six, five years, but I am a consumer and even, you know, I'm telling you that like after three, five years, I struggled to remember much about Severance. I still really want to watch it. This is one of my favorite TV shows when I came out. But even after five years, I was like, man, I kind of feel like I moved on a little bit, but I was super pumped to jump back into it. But I'm sure there were a lot of people who didn't really care to. I don't know. And so that's a real problem that you have to think about when you are a TV show. It is a real problem that you have to think about. I 100% agree with that, but that is less to do with, you know, the quality of the TV show itself. Because for me, there has been, I am of the philosophy of, I don't need to watch something unless I feel like watching it. Some people, they're like, this is the hot thing right now. I need to watch or play or read this hot thing right now. But, you know, I feel like there's been a lot of shows that I have lost the hype on. And then I'm like, I wake up one day and I'm like, I feel like watching this thing right now. But also, I think a really important aspect of this is that when you say like, okay, it takes five years to make it, I don't think it takes five years to make it because they're taking more time to cook. I think it takes longer because the business aspect of it is more fucked. Like I think these studios are not comfortable green lighting multiple seasons. I think maybe there's too many big names involved, scheduling becomes messy. I don't think it takes longer because it takes longer. I think it takes longer because management of projects is worse. And money is so tight with these companies that it becomes a shitty thing where we have to wait until the entire season is done before we green light the next season, which then takes a long time because maybe the same people who worked on it aren't available anymore because they need work. So I think like, I don't think like Severance took as long as it did because that's how long it took. I think it like, Ben Stiller wasn't as available to write. I mean, that's like a thing. You can read it like it's admitted like Ben Stiller is too busy. Well, I think it was more, I think it comes down to more of just like when you have a pilot season, it's that you only get the pilot seasons. Cause I've seen a lot of examples where the gap between season one and two is fucking massive. And then it gets like, okay, here's a regular thing because now they have like data to prove that. It has longevity. It has longevity. And you know, you sometimes you have examples like Attack on Sighted where initially the hype isn't as big, but as the momentum catches back up. But that is rare though. That is very rare. That is rare. I feel like that is not the case. Not every long running series can hit that. But I'm sure they're all striving for that, but they're not always. And sometimes shows do come back after that cult classic. But not everyone has come back on board or maybe some people are like, you know, it's stuff like this happens. Yeah. Cause you know, like Beetlejuice, you know, that movie, maybe this is a bad example, but like, you know, they had the, his name plays Beetlejuice. Kevin, not Kevin. What's his name? He played Batman. He played so many other characters. Oh my God. You know, yeah. You know what I'm talking about. The main guy who plays Beetlejuice. And Tim Burton, obviously came back, but it just wasn't very good. I mean, that wasn't a show that needed the season two or like Attack on Movie. But like that was like, just because you then even bring on the same people doesn't mean that it's going to have the same magic. Yeah. You know, so I feel like it's, yeah, it's not so easy. But like also like Avatar, it's like, James Cameron, what, why is this so fucking long between Avatar one and two? And then they realized, hey, yeah, if we're going to make four fucking avatars, we should probably film them all back to back, which he did. And I'm glad that they did. Cause I would rather, I can't imagine a worse thing than talking about Avatar 2040. Being part of the franchise. You know what I mean? It's just like fucking ridiculous. But obviously it'll come out soon. Cool. I'm willing to watch it. But if it was another 10 year wait, or I think it's like 15 years or something, I'd be like, fuck no, I don't give a fuck about Avatar. I barely gave enough of a fuck to watch the second one. Yeah, I didn't even watch. I just went for it. Cause I was in, I was near a movie theater and I thought fuck it. Yeah. But that was a thing where I feel like time would most certainly hurt the any chance of season two being successful. Oh, I was successful. It wasn't Avatar two pretty successful. It was pretty successful. I don't understand how cause I don't know fucking anyone who came for fuck. Yeah. I mean, sometimes hype can die, but sometimes people would just go with whatever the hype tells them to go with. Hence Avatar two, you know? Yeah. But there are a lot of, I mean, there are so many examples for each side here. Yeah. But that Harry Potter remake, huh? HBO. Sorry? Harry Potter remake for HBO. I'm so scared for those kids, man. You see this? Nope. They're remaking Harry Potter. How do you do this? How do you not know this stuff? They're remaking Harry Potter. How have you not heard about this? What? I don't know, man. This is crazy. It's named Black Nail. Oh, that was what all the memes were about. That's what that's about. Yes, the HBO is doing a Harry Potter series. Oh. John Lithgow is going to be Dumbledore. Dumbledore. Okay. But yeah, most of the casting just seems kind of like, true. Harry Potter. Yeah. There's just an entirely new cast of kids now that are going, I assume going to go back to like, you know, Philosopher's Stone, like first movie, but man. Yeah. Maybe it's a season, the book. Yeah. I'm sure it's going to be like season one is Philosopher's Stone season two, Chamber of Secrets. I'm calling it now. When they get to like Prisoner Ascobans, it's going to be like a two-part. And then they're going to make everything a two-part. Of course they are. I mean, it's a successful one. Yeah. But John Lithgow, I don't know if he'll be around for like 20 seasons of Harry Potter. Same thing's going to happen. That happened with the first Dumbledore. Yeah. I mean, sure. Yeah. Movies were definitely better 2005. I think we all agree. It's kind of depressing to talk about. It is depressing. I don't know. I'm sure the press talking about it. Yeah. What's next? All right. What's next? Food. Oh my gosh. Food. Ah. Food and the way we consume it, I suppose, as well. Cause there's restaurants like this. It's hot. These crappy little, whatever. I love how the Costco hot dog is on both. Alex knows what's up. The dog never changes. And it's even cheaper in Japan. It's cheaper in Japan. It is. It is so fucking cheap in Japan. I had one a couple of weeks ago and it was fucking amazing. You enter Costco a couple of weeks? Me too. Yeah. I was like, I have to get the dog. I mean, you got to get the dog. You got to get the dog. You know the Costco pizza, the slice, I think, can you Google this, the cheese slice pizza, how many calories do you think it is for one slice of pizza in the Costco America? Um, I don't know. It's probably something like fucking 700 calories, maybe. I think it is like 800, 900. 760. 760. Damn, I'm good. God damn. How much protein does it have? This also blew my mind. If you're a bulkhead, bro. A cheese pizza? It's got 44 grams of protein. Where is the cheese? Cheese. They put so much fucking cheese on the pizza. You're basically just eating a block of cheese at that point. Yeah, you are. You are. It is a block of cheese. That's crazy. Could you make one slice of pizza, nearly 800 calories? It's like, bro, I'm bulking. The cheese pizza. Generally. All right, well, next. 44 grams of protein in that bitch. Next time I'm at Costco, I got to bring home a cheese pizza. I'm on that bulk right now. That's crazy. Let's go. Um, shit. How do you disown this? Okay. First of all, can we all agree that going to Pizza Hut in the early 2000s was so fucking hot. Goded. Oh man. Unarrivaled. Go Ted. I think, yeah. Yeah. I think eating food as a family, we got to experience the best of it. Oh yeah. When we were around, maybe even before our time slightly, was like the highest and coolest part of being a kid. Like we talked about this before, but like going to McDonald's. Yeah, I was going to say. Going to Pizza Hut. Corporations, let's go. Yeah. It was sick, dude. It was sick. It was sick, man. It was actually good. Before they were, dude, it was so hype. Yeah. They were marketing directly to us, but hey, fuck it works, man. Yeah. Yeah. No, food now. Dude, do we need to discuss this? Yeah. It's, I mean, it's hard to argue. Yeah. I think you can just speak on behalf of the owner. Two times for 25. Yeah. Yeah, we all agree. This is not much of a discussion. I think, look, there is not a lot of nutritional information around back then and a lot of shit that was in this food that would not be legal in Europe. Yeah. America is probably still fine, but a lot of this shit, he's pretty ass. Yeah. If you try it now, you realize why it got left to the side. Oh yeah. Oh yeah. God, food has just never been better. God fucking damn. It's just evolved. It's a great way. I mean, we can try food from all over the world, inspiration from all over the world, we live in a time where you can have every type of cuisine. If you live in certain parts of the world, you can try everything. Even if you don't, you can still try. Even in rural areas, there are still a lot more choice of just different foods. Whereas before, where I was growing up, you eat rice and people look at you like you're a fucking psychopath. But now you can go to, even in the UK, which is not known for food, you can go to the supermarket and get ready meals, the Indian food, Chinese food. Also, there's just so much more dietary options as well for people who need to be on certain dietary options. It was so hard to back in 2005 to find something. So much easier watching what you're reading. You feel there's a lot more information and also the ability to share information with other people. People keeping track online. There's a lot more. I will say that's the one good thing about TikToks and Shorts is that I found some great fucking recipes for it. Dude, someone would be so hard to find back in 2005. Everyone's just a much better chef as well because of the resources that are available. Yeah, because in 2005, the only way you'd be able to find a new recipe is if you bought a fucking cookbook, which today, and you didn't know what it looked like, and today, no one fucking buys cookbooks anymore because you don't need to. That mac and cheese kid cuisine thing in the bottom middle is fucking dumb. That's insane. You know that shit would taste disgusting. Yeah. So yeah, easily 205. I don't think these would be much discussed in the first. 205. Yep. Toys? Toys. Oh, wow. Mm. Oh, fuck. This is tough. This is tough. Fuck, why are they from Mr. Beast Lab? Swarms in there like, bro. This is tough because obviously we don't use toys. Yes. I think though the argument can maybe be said, I mean, I think we can all agree, 2005 was just better because we were kids. Well, I mean, but in saying that, I will say, 2025, there have also been this trend of kids, of toys, excuse me, that have been catered towards more of an adult fan base that clearly is like banking on the nostalgia. Say for instance, Lego is like, you know, back in 2005, there were very little Lego sets or anything like that, or even just the culture of creating Lego as an adult. Whereas now it's very much normalized and Lego has fully leaned into that shit. And they're like, yep, these are sets for adults now. All right, I got it. But yeah, I think we can all agree it's this. All right, ready? Yeah. 3, 2, 1, Oh, 5. Yeah, 5. I saw Bionicle and I was like, the toys even exist anymore? Say that, yeah. Toys for kids. Have you walked into the age upon which you stopped playing with toys is a lot sooner now. Yes. I think I agree with that. I'm like most of the toys I see, they're not even marked towards kids anymore. That's the thing. The iPads, phones. That's the thing. Lego now is an adult hobby. Pokemon cards. Pokemon cards, adult hobby. La boo boo, adult hobby. It's all catering to the nostalgia of kids who grew up in 2005. And like a third of these things in the 2025 are like dog shit things from like Beyblade? Yeah. Adult. That's the thing. Yeah. I mean, I think, and you also had to make, like because toys were, I feel like such a bigger market in the early 2000s. You had to really make some cool toys. Absolutely. Because we did not have the internet to help distract us. Or like Timu, fucking you can get absolutely, you can get so much garbage for so cheap now. Yeah. But like, toys were quite expensive back then. If you were to buy one of these things, like it had to kind of be good. How many of those on the left did you have? I had, I never unfortunately never got to do Bionicle. Oh, really? I had the Bopit, I had Beyblades. I had that robot thing. What does that robot thing? I had that robot thing. And I had the eye dog, I think. Really? Yeah. I had the razor scooter. I had the razor scooter too. I had the razor scooter as well. Many a shin were cracked. Bopit, I know I, I like razor. Some of the shit is expensive, man. Some of the shit is expensive. Dude, I remember my friend had the moon shoes and I was so jealous. And then when I actually tried it, I was like, this is kind of ass. Why the trampoline? Which is way fucking better. Same. What is this shit, man? Like that Lego thing is not for kids. That's for an adult. No, in fact, I was very close to buying that. Why is the Boo Boo's on here? Cause it is a toy. I've never seen a kid have a Boo Boo before. But that's the thing. It's that like toys today now, I think more than anything are catered towards adults who grew up as kids 20 years ago. And they banking on the nostalgia. Because if you think about it, the Boo Boo is just the modern day Furby. Yeah. You know, there's something about a Boo Boo that makes me so sad. Why? Why is that? There's just something that like it kind of embodies like hyper consumerism and trends to like such a degree that is like so depressing. Cause like you only care about the Boo Boo because other people care about the Boo Boo. Yeah. Like there's no way that like it is an earnest thing that you fucking have fell in love with and it means so much to you. Cause you only care about it cause it's a trend. And I feel like it is everything wrong with like Oz and like TikTok and advertising. Yeah. You know? No, that's definitely the case. Nobody liked the Boo Boo's a year ago. Nobody even fucking heard about it. And it doesn't do anything. It just sits there. No, but that's the thing. It's the modern day Furby. It's the exact same thing. And I think a lot of the people who are into things like the Boo Boo's now and pop vinyl toys are the people who grew up with Bratz dolls, Furby's and stuff like that. And it's their way of tapping into that nostalgic element of them playing with soft vinyl toys like this, but in a little bit more of a fashionable and trendy way. And yeah. I mean, there's a fashion item I can totally understand. Yeah. But like people just buy it because hype. I'm like, what is wrong with you? Oh yeah. But you can say that about anything. You can say that about Pokemon cards. It's always been that way. I mean, there's more of a speculative thing at this point. I feel like that is like people are trying to do it because of perceived value. Well, yeah. But same things happening with what Boo Boo was. Yeah. I mean, when I mentioned that, I was like, yeah, but I mean, I bought magic cards that were like fucking expensive. Yeah, exactly. Right. We're all a victim of it. History repeats itself. La Boo Boo is just the latest, the latest next hot trends, but there'll always be another hot trends. Of course. There's always going to be something to replace it because that nostalgia, and as long as that generation exists, AKA our generation that again grew up with 2005 toys exists, there's always going to be something to replace that. And I'd say like the whole, again, trend of Lego finally tapping into sets for adults is very much that. Like they understand that nostalgia is such a massive thing. And that's not to say that. Also Lego can just make a fuck ton more money and sell you more pieces. Of course. But I would argue- Children don't have disposable incomes. No, but I would argue that, I don't know the exact details, but as someone who still builds Legos to this day, I very much buy them because it taps into that nostalgic part of me that I want to relive, but in a modern way. And I think toy manufacturers are so good at that now because they understand how powerful nostalgia is. Whereas in 2005, they didn't have to do that. When I was in America, I saw here's like on the side of the road, like a pop-up tent that was selling toys. And one of the toys they sold was Italian Brain Rock toys. What? I'll show you this image. I hate those string of words that you just said, by the way. Before I even see the image of it, I already hate it. Now look at it. And it's like the tongue tongue tongue tongue. Oh my God. The fuck? Yeah. And like the cappuccino ballerina, whatever the fuck. I knew it was over when I walked into a toy store. Yeah, like there's like tongue tongue shit. Like look at this shit, man. We're cooked. I knew it was over the moment I started seeing like fucking scibbety toilet plushies and stuff like that. I was like, it's over. It's over for toys. So yeah. Yeah. I think kids today can even agree that 2005 toys were better. Yeah. Yeah. Like my kid is getting a razor scooter, no question. Yeah. You know? Yeah, I'm not sure. There was just more innovation back then because it was the thing that was actually targeted towards kids. Yeah. You know? I don't know why, but you know when someone's like obsessed with like Hello Kitty, Seminole, all that shit. I'm trying to think in my head why I feel like that feels more earnest than LaBoo Boo's. In my head. It's the exact same thing. Yeah. I know it is to the extent, but I don't know why I feel like. I think it's because LaBoo Boo is trending and you can't escape from it now. LaBoo Boo's came out. Oh my God. I just hate saying the word. Yeah, maybe because it's like, it just came up so quickly. Yeah. It came out of nowhere. It feels like it has no identity. No, it definitely does. I think you're only saying that because when it comes to like, say, Sanrio characters, they had things like anime. They had things like other cross media stuff to fill the law. Why like, you know, when someone's really into anime figures, which I guess is the same thing. Okay, but there's a lot of like connection there to a piece of media. Which I think when there's literally just this thing that has nothing, you just spawned and they're like, this is valuable. You're like, no. That's the thing. If LaBoo Boo started off as an anime, I don't think you'd feel the same way. No, I don't think I would. Because I would think, you know, I would associate you have some sort of, you know, you've maybe built up a connection with that piece of media. And it's a lot more understandable. But I feel like that's how like our parents felt when they fucking saw the Furby for the first time. They're like, what is this shit? Yeah, yeah, yeah. But what is this? It's just a fucking Furball that occasionally makes noises. Like why am I paying 40 bucks for this shit? All right. Well, all right. That's all perspective. Next thing. Next thing. Oh, okay. Cartoons. 2000s. Oh, okay. Now we're going on to the 2000s versus the 2020s. So still a 20 year gap, but now it's like a whole decade. Ben 10 is still going. Yeah, Ben 10 is still going. Ben 10 is still very popular. Most of these shows are still going. Do you know which one is the most popular show gone? Kitshow? Bluey? Yeah, Bluey fucking runs this world. Wall in Bluey's world. 2000s or 2020s. This is also so unfair. It is unfair. One of them, I was the age to consume them. That is true. Even though people keep saying like cartoons, you know, aren't just for kids, but man, when you see this line up. Yeah. I mean, it's the 2000s. Come on. Is it? Yeah. I mean, I've watched a couple of those to Bluey. It's pretty fucking good. It is good. Bluey is fucking great. No, I'm sure it is. And you know, this is coming from someone like I've seen a couple of episodes of Gumball. And I think it's actually pretty solid. Yeah, I think some of these are very kid-like, whereas some of those are a lot more like early teenager, like Ed and Eddie. Shrek. Yeah, Shrek. Shrek is. Shrek is an adult movie disguised as a kid. Yes. Cursed Cowardly Dog is a late teenager disguised as a cartoon. Yes. I mean, I'm gonna be real. I just don't know enough about modern cartoons. Yeah, I don't feel comfortable saying older or new, but I know Bluey fucking hits hard. Yeah, Bluey's great. And I've heard from people who have kids that like, I fucking love watching Bluey with my kid. Yeah. I don't know if my parents ever watched any cartoons with me because they didn't fuck with any of them. Yeah. My dad only watched two cartoons with me, Samurai Jack and Ed and Eddie. Dude, I wished. With the only two shows that my dad was like, all right, you know what? I fuck with this heavy. I mean, like, look, if Samurai Jack was there, I'd put that and there would be no contest, 2G. That is true. But the new season was also pretty fucking good. And that was very much aimed at adults. Yes. I mean, I just do 2000s. I don't know why I'm writing it down. I'm not sure. I mean, I really don't feel like we can have a good discussion. Yeah, let's go. Let's go. Yeah, this is purely nostalgia. Yeah. 2000s versus 2020s education. Ooh, okay. Interesting. Dude, I watched this Netflix show. Uh-huh. It was a movie and it was the most psycho shit. Can I spoil it for you? Because I don't think you, do you watch true crime documentaries? Not as much anymore. Okay. I'm going to spoil this. I don't know what it's called. Can I, let me quickly check the name for I spoil it for you. God, while you're looking at that, by the way, the fucking wave of nostalgia the moment I saw that fucking Microsoft CD. Yeah, I know, right? Holy shit. Oh my God. Just, just opening up the dish tray and fucking putting a CD in. God damn. I was at Ludwig's house and right before I left, I played this documentary called Undo number, the high school catfish. And apparently it's very popular in America right now. Okay. And I'll spoil the entire thing for you. So if you do want to watch this, it's an hour and a half. You can go watch it. If you don't really care for true crime, you're not really missing out. Yeah. It was a case where there was a girl and a boyfriend and they'd been added to a group chat where someone was just typing the most vulgar shit to them, like sending texts through burner numbers. Okay. And it kept happening. And the whole time I'm watching it, I'm like, man, why don't they just, like, I know it's bad, but why don't you just block this number? And they would block the number and then okay, they would have a new burner number would add them both to a group chat and would keep texting them. And I was like, why don't they just change your phone number? They didn't change your phone number until two years of this harassment. Okay. So for two years, they let this harassment go on. This person texting them multiple times a day, harassing them saying absolutely hate and shit to these like 12 year olds. And it was always about this one guy who was like, he's like a 13 year old or something. And he was like, this bitch doesn't love you. She won't give you blowjobs and shit like daily. Okay. And then she'd be like, wow, you really fucking sucked at basketball. I saw you got no points today. So they were all like very personal too. Right. So whoever was harassing the new- So they knew this person, right. Newest person, but was in school with them. Cause they had information to things that were in school with them. And this went on for like ages and they couldn't figure out who was doing it. But it was starting to affect relationships. And it got really weird when they had broken up these two people cause he finally couldn't take it anymore. That this person was doing this and harassing them. And then the boy who was getting harassed was dating a girl in like a state over and somehow got both their numbers out of them to a group chat and started harassing them again. And like that was like, what the fuck is going on? How do they get these numbers? It turned out the person who was doing it was the parent of the girl who was dating the kid. The reason who was sending these messages being like, you're a bitch, you're a piece of shit. It was the mom who was sending it to her daughter in a group chat with this other guy. Fuck. Yeah. On fucking unhinged. They found it out cause they did like VPN traces on like the service that she was using to make these numbers. And she was doing this for two years. Like absolutely harassing her daughter. Why? The prevailing theory was it was, I think it's like a thing called like munchausen thing where it's like, Oh yeah. You would, but normally this would be you would make your kids sick. Yeah. Right. To make them need you. Oh, I see, I see. But I said they, the theory was that like she, one of the daughters wanna- To be like reliant on her. Because they should be crying all day and be like, mom, no. I see, I see. And also then they thought that she was kind of obsessed with this boy who was like a kid. Right. So it was all very fucking- Tension away from the mother. Yeah. It was all fucking very weird. Yeah. And the whole time I was thinking this, I was like, I was like, this shit, you just couldn't do this shit back then. No. Like, that would have been way too ex-mirror. You can't get burner numbers that easily or like readily available for like on a service. And I was watching it. I was like, man, it must fucking suck to be a kid nowadays. Having to, you can have this happen to you. Yeah. And now AI's in the mix. Oh my God. It's GGs. I'm like, it's so Kirk. I mean, I'm never gonna be more Kirk. Yeah. Learning fucking sucks now it seems. I just feel bad for that generation of kids who had to go through school during the pandemic and the whole Zoom classroom shit. Oh, they lost two years. I can't. I couldn't imagine going through that. And I, you know, obviously it's not a, it's not the fault of the kids or the education system. No, it's not the kids. Yeah. Fuck them kids. No, I mean, obviously. No one's at fault. It's just an unfortunate situation. But man, I'm sure like that really fucked up the mentality of not just the students who had to go through that shit, but just like the teachers as well. I can't fucking imagine being a teacher during that period. You imagine trying to fucking, it's hard enough to wrangle together a classroom full of kids, IRL. Could you imagine trying to do that over a fucking Zoom call? It's impossible. No, no, it's Kirk. Yeah. So I really, I will say what is that thing called on the top right of the 2000 side? The thing where it's like the projector, is it a projector? Yeah, it's a projector. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Paper projector. They still use that in my school when I was there. Oh, really? Yeah. You didn't get that? I didn't know they still used it. I thought it was all completely replaced by like the smart whiteboards. No, there was some teachers that really liked the projector and being able to... Oh yeah, dude. It's a vibe now. I love that shit. Yeah, some of the teachers really liked it. And it was still somewhat effective. We used it. I used it even in high school, I think. Oh, really? Yeah, I still had it. No, no, no, I remember using it in high school, definitely. But around like the end of high school for me was when they were slowly being phased out by the smart whiteboards. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But there was one teacher that, the physics teacher, remember, he really liked the blackboard and didn't wanna remove it. And he loved, and I also think the blackboard is hype as shit. The blackboard is hype as shit. The blackboard is unrivaled. I'm so happy that schools in Japan today still use it. Yeah, the blackboard. I hope they never get rid of that. The fucking projector over there. Yeah, I was just saying that. I love that. That top, the top three on the 2000s side, actually that whole 2000s side is just so nostalgic to me. Yeah, I think... Oh, the fucking, the CRT on the train. Oh man. That's how you knew when the substitute teacher came in and he pushed that shit in and was like, oh, we're watching Shrek today. Yeah, we're watching Shrek today. Let's go, dog. Yeah, also, like, it is crazy to me. And I don't understand why this isn't like banned. Why are phones allowed in school? Like in... Facts. Like, I know that like emergency, but I'm like, come on. They got your number on file. If there's an emergency, they'll fucking call you. I think what they should do is they should keep phones like school so that, you know, like parents can call or whatever, you know, just in case anything happens. But turn the internet off. I think like you should... No, I think you should have to like hand in your phone when you get to school and you get it when you leave. Really? Yeah, I don't think you should be allowed to use your phone in school. Like I think they should... And they also think like you're robbing kids the opportunity to live without their phone. When they go home, they're gonna use their phone. When they get on the bus, they're gonna use their phone. I don't understand why you just don't give kids eight hours or they don't fucking use their phone. Because they're all gonna go fucking insane. That's why, because they're so reliant on it. But I, you know... I mean, at which age do you think a kid should get a phone? 16? I mean, look, I think... 15, 16, I'd say something. If you are, you know, your kid is coming into school on their own, I think it's understandable to want them to have a phone to worry about it. Especially because like certain part, like if you're in America, bro, that's just dangerous as fuck, PVP is on. You need that phone. But like, do you need it in school? I don't think so. Like getting to school, sure. Even flip phone. You flip phone, sure. Yeah, even the fucking Nokia break phone. Yeah, you shouldn't be able to have this monolith that has all the world's information on it and doesn't challenge you and allows you to be, you know. But then they pull out a Chromebook, whatever, and they have to use that anyway. So I don't know. And like, yes, you need to use... And of course you should have laptops in the classroom because look, I resent the fact that they seem to think that like using a calculator was something barbaric in school. When it was like, brother, we're gonna be using this our entire life. Like the calculator is not going anywhere. There's a reason why this was invented and it's gonna be used. And that's why probably in secondary school you had the math exams with calculators and without. I don't know if you had that. Yeah, we had that. So like, yeah, it makes sense, right? But so I'm not saying like no technology allowed, but like, I feel like it's crazy that kids are allowed phones in school. But I know Australia, they're trying, are they banning it or trying to ban it? I think they try and abandon it, yeah. It's crazy to be those parents that don't want this banned. But like, is it like helicopter parents? I don't know. Like what is it? I'm not a parent, so I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I'm sure it's a case by case, but I'm sure like obviously a lot of helicopter parents are like, no, I need to make sure that my child is safe at all times. And I'm like, yeah, but you're in a school. It's supposed to be a safe environment for your child. And if you don't think that way, then there's clearly something wrong without the education system or the school that you put your kid in. Yeah, there's just some like kids doing some dumb shit. Yeah. Yeah. And I don't think they should be, I don't think they should be allowed to have pictures. Like the kids will probably take up other kids doing some like, you know, and they're probably most vulnerable moments. Yeah. They'll come to haunt them. I did some dumb ass shit in school. And if there was 4K video proof of me doing that, yeah, I think I would be fucking depressed. Yeah, I would hate going to school as well. Now, obviously I imagine it sucks because it's understandable that should teachers have to enforce taking stuff off of kids. Probably not. That's a whole different job. And a kid's gonna have, they get this. It should be the parents responsibility. And kids are probably gonna get smart because they'll have multiple phones. They'll have multiple phones. There are so many work rounds, I imagine. Like it is a losing battle, unfortunately. But yeah, I think it is a thing that like, yeah, it sucks. But I'm not, I'm not a parent. I'm not trying to parent, but it just seems like being a kid now is so much harder. Being able to be a kid and experience like fucking up, learning things just seems hard now. Yeah. I don't know. I have turned around to this idea where I think being a kid was always hard in some way, shape or form. Yeah, of course it was. Problems that we had. Kids are pretty, you know, I'm sure there is this discussion every generation that comes along. And at the end of the day, I think just it all comes down to parenting style. And, you know, whatever, the environment itself is something that you're not, is not always going to be in your control, but in terms of just having a good parenting style that teaches your kid what is important and what isn't important. Imposing your own self rules is, I think, you know, something that is equally important and something that we should be paying maybe even more attention to. Yeah. Cause at the end of the day, you can have the best system in the world, but if you have bad parents, that's true. The kids are, the kids still gonna have a hard time. But I just think good systems help. Yeah, good systems definitely help. Right? Not that I don't fucking know what good parenting is. Yeah. We'll figure it out eventually. I live off Uber Eats. I can't talk about what is a good parenting or not. Right? But it just seems hard. It seems hard to be a kid. Yeah. And again, you never know. Like when and if we have kids, then we might fucking flip our opinions on it. You know? Yeah. So we don't know what this right, but at least as far as we see it and maybe the nostalgia is talking again. Yeah. It's just like when I see like videos of kids fighting online, like in school, I'm like, why am I seeing this? Like why is this a thing that I can see? Yeah. This happened to you though. I fought, but like it wasn't filmed and uploaded. It wasn't fucking WorldStarks. Yeah. Right? That feels like that is a vulnerable thing and something that just happens in schools. Like this fights are gonna happen. I don't think like a kid getting his fucking ass beat should be uploaded to the internet. Cause then they'll be like, there'll be a caption like this bully gets destroyed. And it's like, wow, good for the kid sticking out for himself. Why am I seeing this? Yeah. I don't give a fuck. I shouldn't see this. This should not be something I'm allowed to see. Yeah. I agree. Even when I was watching the documentary about this, these school kids, like I don't know how all these kids, cause the kids are in this documentary talking about it. Right. I don't know how all these kids are. They seem very, very young. Right. And it feels very wrong that these kids who are nearly like 18 or are 18, I don't know, are talking about something that happened in school, talking about their classmates. And I'm like, I just don't think an 18 year old should be talking about the situation. No. Like I feel like this is too fresh. And like- It shouldn't be a problem to any of these. You know, they have all the body cam footage that they're showing of it. Not that this is completely unrelated, but again, all this stuff, I feel like I shouldn't be seeing this. Like this is stuff that I shouldn't be allowed to see. And videos from school, I shouldn't be allowed to see on Twitter. Yeah. Keep that shit in the school. Like I really, really hate the fact that, you know, it kids are so worried about fucking up. So you're the biggest issue you have isn't with the education system. It's just with social media. Social media. It goes back to taking internet. Yeah. Because I'd be like, yo, hop on, cop hang on when you go home tonight. That was fucking fire. I need to save space. Yeah. Can't do that shit now. Hop on Fortnite. Great. While some guys trying to like get in my DMs, he found out I was 12. Yeah. I mean, I think the biggest thing kids will are growing up learning is that, you know, anyone can be a star any time at the flick of a switch. Sometimes. Sometimes just luck. It's terrifying. They don't realize that they have the rest of their life to figure that shit out. Yeah. They think that it needs to happen now during their vulnerable state, during their, you know, during the time of their life where they don't even know who the fuck they are. You know? So it's like, how do you expect them to like turn that side of the brain off when it's literally in their pocket at all times, even in school? That was like, it's like Semmeltman. He says something like he thinks people are going to get dumb now because AI is going to fill in the gaps for a lot of people. You think people are going to get dumb now? Because they are required to think less. I feel it's too multi-challenged to say yes or no. I'm sure it's like, maybe would you argue the same argument could be made if, when the internet was a thing? I don't think so. Because I think that enabled a source of information that was not available. And there wasn't like, you still, if you wanted to learn something, you still had to get quite a bit of effort on your own to go through it, understand it, process the information, discern right from wrong. I think knowledge, if anything, I think, I'm not sure if Dumber is the right word. I think knowledge is going to be more specialized. For example, like, you know, to be an engineer, you obviously have to understand maths, but for the life of me, I can't do fucking mental arithmetic. That's a basic skill that's, you know, long form division. I don't know how to do that, but I got a master's being able to do like a second order differential equations. Yeah, me too. And I think with the age of AI, sure, people are going to think less maybe for like general knowledge and stuff like that. Because that'll be something that's, that'll be something that humans can rely on AI as a tool. But I think in general, that just means it gives mental freedom for people to focus on more specialized knowledge that can't be done via AI. This is me being optimistic about tech. Yeah, we'll see. At least, at least a year. Yes. Yeah, yeah, this is me being optimistic about tech. So it's a... We had a couple of years. I just want to play devil's advocate. We'll see. Yeah, yeah. What's next? Next up. All right. 2000 versus 2020's music. God, this is... Oh, J. This is the most fucking Alex pick I've ever seen. Fuck, man. This is so... It's so subjective. I mean, like I listened to Daft Punk and Jamiroquai. So I think it's pretty obvious. Yeah, that's just what I taste they're going to be. Yeah. No, he's in 2000s. 2000s for me. Okay, for this, we're not going to delve on this too deeply, obviously, because I don't know if you guys have any deep opinions on this at all. Beeps and boops. I actually don't have an opinion. No. Yeah, I think I will keep this short. I think neither is better than the other because it completely depends on the genre. Some genre, I think pop music is better than it's ever been. Now. But you go back to some other stuff, like, you know, say it, because again, it depends on what you like at the end of the day, you know, because I feel like, okay, yeah, Kanye West graduation era. I think everybody can agree is better than the shit he's making now. You know, I don't think you even the most hardcore Kanye fan can tell you that. Yeah, you know what? We missed the 2000s Kanye, definitely. Yeah, but do you think there is a best period of music, not 2000 versus 2020s? Do you think there is a best period of music? Depends what you like. At the end of the day. Okay, let's say you are... Rock and roll, there's so many different eras that you could like a lot. It's like, you know... 60s punk was really fucking cool too. Yeah, yeah. If you like, say, look at like punk music, right? I think most people will tell you that, like, yeah, the beginnings of punk, like late 70s, early 80s, was definitely where was the peak. You know, you look at like, say, metal music, like, okay, it depends which, how puritan are you with these different genres, right? Whereas if you're just a general music enjoyer, I think 2020s is... I would pick 2020s over 2000s because music has just evolved more in those 20 years. And there is just like more, I guess, like, well, maybe like, I would almost say like less gatekeeping-ness in the 2020s than compared to the 2000s. I don't know, because I think about this, and this is someone, this is probably going to be like, a fucking misinformed take as someone who does not know anything about music. I look back at 2000s music, and obviously I have major nostalgia over 2000s music. Sure. Because that's the era I grew up in. Are there songs that I liked as a kid that I think that my kids will listen to and be like, yo, that was a banger song? I don't know. Like, do you think that our kids are going to look back at this era of music in the same way we look back at our parents' generation? Probably. Yes. Do you think so? I think kids are already starting to do that. I mean, look at the fact that, fucking, the weekend brought back the sound of the 80s. Yeah, the weekend, I feel like, will be that in like 20, 30 years. Yeah. But do you think like people will listen to shit like, I don't know, Papa Roach or like, some 41 and be like... Dude, people stopped listening to Papa Roach like three years after they broke out. No, we're fucking listening to Papa Roach. Sure, they'll be like music like that. Yeah. But when I hear it, it hits different. Of course it does. Yeah. You know? But that's the thing, right? Is that like, it completely depends on, A, what kind of music you even gravitate towards at a personal level, B, how much nostalgia music plays, because I would say music more than any medium plays on nostalgia more than anything. And three, it depends on how open you are to today's music. If you're completely shut off from today's music and you're just like, not anything past like 2010 is all shit and I don't care for it because it's new and I'm going to stay in my little hug box of the stuff that I grew up with. Then yeah, obviously music today is going to suck. But like, you know, that fucking, the Snake album there, the new Def Tones album is fucking amazing. The weekend stuff, fucking amazing. You know, like there's great music coming out today. It's just, it all depends on how you even consume the medium to be in with. Yeah. Well, okay. Let's talk about, I guess, the, you know, I feel like there was good music. If you look out for it, whatever era, you know, whichever one of these eras, what about kind of like pop culture in terms of, in terms of what songs and what artists are dominating modern, like dominated modern culture of that time? What do you mean by that? As in, you're saying great music is being made now. And I agree. Great music is being made now. I think great music is always being made. I think when it comes to discussing which era is better, it's more of like discussing what are the artists and songs that defines that era of music, you know? Is this, because obviously each era, each decade has different vibes, a different artist that kind of like defines the era of that music. Like for example, rock and roll, it's not like it stopped existing in these eras, but it definitely is. It's not the Zeitgeist anymore. Yeah, exactly. You know what I mean? No, totally. And you know, and that's the thing, right? Is that like, I think say for example, you know, hip hop more than anything today is like the driving force. I would even argue that in some respects, hip hop is pop, is popular music because it's, and especially when you compare it to like the 2000s, it is so much more in the Zeitgeist today than it ever was. But then you say, look at, you know, say like deftones, for instance, they would definitely in their peak in the 2000s or even earlier than that, right? But they're still around today and they're still making great music. So it's hard to define as a whole because each genre has moved and shifted in completely different ways. And it depends on like in your mind, if you're thinking of it in like a Puritan status, it's like, okay, in your mind, where do you personally view the genre fell off? Or where do you personally view it as it peaked? Is it commercial level? Is it like quality level? Depending on how you define it, it's like too multifaceted, I feel. I feel like though at the end of the day, pop music I think is so much more interesting today than it has ever been because people are more open to different genre combinations. I'm not saying the shit. The fact that country music is coming back now is like no one fucking saw that coming in the 2000s. I didn't even know it was gone or that it was back or anything to it's country music. I'll be honest with you. Okay, well, I'm talking to the wrong crowd. No, I'm sorry. I wish I could engage you. Yeah, yeah. My straight up answer is like... Neither. Yeah, it's too broad of a topic, but I will say 2020's music is probably better because there's more experimentation now because there's just been more time to explore more genres. I don't see more access to making music. Absolutely. You know. And also just the fact that the internet has granted independent musicians to actually have a fucking chance. Yeah. In the two... CloudRap is God bless. Well, yeah. Well, not even... I was kidding. I was kidding. No, no, but that's the thing though. Like, you know, sites like Bandcamp now are actually giving independent artists who probably had zero, like close to zero, chance of ever breaking it into the mainstream now because of the internet actually have a chance to like get a fan base and make money and sometimes be more successful than these quote unquote mainstream artists. Whereas in the 2000s, if you weren't part of a major label, you had no fucking chance. Yeah. You know. So I think 2020's is better in terms of music. Yeah. You have to be good to rise to the top. Yeah. You actually have to be good. Yeah. Good marketing or you actually have to be good or be actually unique to stand out. And yeah. Let's do the final slide then, so this episode. I'm chubby. Taylor. 2000s versus 2020's fashion. I mean... Well, you know, Jorts are coming back, right? Everything comes back. What I've learned is that everything comes back. Yeah. Denim is coming back now. The only thing that doesn't come back is like fucking 1930s and 1950s. Like the Pugel's stereo. Like Victorian fits. Yeah. But then, you know, the liter and I even got recommended this one subreddit. I don't even know what it was called. It was some fashion term I'd never heard of. Okay. People loved it and it seemed like a little later to me, but I guess it was Jason to the leader. Right. I mean, yeah. I think fashion is literally whatever you want it to be. Yeah. I think 2020's is probably better in this case as well because now people have more freedom to be independent and like self expressive. Nah. You don't think so? Nah. I will tell you one thing. 2000s as emo. I was going to say, I'll tell you one thing that I don't fucking miss is the emo and scene kids fashion. You don't miss that? I do not miss that. No, I think I hated it back then and I still hate it. No, fuck off. You. I don't care. It was cringe back then. I don't care. Yeah. It is cringe. It's cringe. And look, if that made you happy, then good on you. I won't lie. I hate mullets. Do the same. Mullet has an aura to it of like, you just like, I don't want to fucking hang out with that kind of person. I look at a mullet and I'm like, you, I don't know why. I can't prove it, but you probably beat your wife. You know, like I just, I just, I'm on my flight back this morning. There was three dudes next to me who had mullets. Yeah. And they, they were, they were the exact type of personality you thought they were. Yeah. And one of the, one of the plane was taken off. I saw his phone and it was just him scrolling through Instagram. Every single post looked like another fuck boy at another party. I'm not kidding. It was like, it was the exact kind of like, look, I'm guilty. I love a good phone snoop of strangers. Yeah. Seeing what strangers, like what they follow and what their feed looks like. True. Yeah. The mullet or energy, not what I fuck with. Not at all. Did you ever, did you ever own a pair of skinny jeans? Yeah. You used to exclusively wear skinny jeans. Oh really? Up until like four years ago. Five years ago. I used to wear only skinny jeans. I don't think I've ever owned a pair of skinny jeans, but I was like, I'm like the worst person to wear them because I have such fat, fat ass legs. I was going to say like, how did you, how did you get them on? The uniclo stretch ones, stretch jeans. I would have low taper. It's a bottom, bottom would taper. And then the top was like normally baggy. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. 2000s is just better. You're just playing devil's out of cure and I respect it. Can't you know what I, yeah, you know what? Like the fucking hip hop fashion and baggy fashion. Yeah. Cause this was at the peak of the bling era. It was fun. That was fun. That was fun. I will admit. 2000s was a fun era for fashion. Yeah. Yeah. But that doesn't mean it was all good. You know, well, it was good for the two. We're only saying that because we're looking back at the 2000s. We're going to look back at the 2020s and be like, yo, that's just, this is so cringy. Well, I think like certain things we'll keep and other things will drop. Yes. What do you mean? Every fact, like, you know, even like from here and stuff, I think some of this stuff, some fashion aspects we've kept on to and other ones that we've got rid of. Fashion just goes in a circle anyway. Yeah. It's there. There'll be a time probably in 10 years where 2000s fashions come, comes back and there'll be. I would argue it's already back. And you know what didn't come back with it, but emote scene kids because it evolved into golf. I saw, I saw someone who, and I've made this argument in trust later before and I'll make it again. There was a post I saw on Twitter that they were talking about. There was like some extravagant looking suit. It was like crazy. Had like capes and stuff. Yeah. And they're like, why can't men wear this? And then the someone quite rich, I like 100, 200 K likes. They're like, men will make fun of women's fashion and then wear the exact same suit. I'm like, you don't you dare change the suit. That is the one thing that we all have and we all agree this is good and it's enough. Exactly. It is the only piece of fashion that we have as men that we can all rely on and we all agree is acceptable for formal situations. The suit does not need to be changed. Do not change it. Change aspects of it. Upgrade little bits. Don't you fucking dare change the suit. It's the only thing that we have. Hopeless men who have no nothing about fashion, they know they can put on that damn suit and they'll look good. It's the only thing we have. Facts. Don't change it. Say it louder. That's right. Don't fuck with the suit. It is us. It is. It is. You know, when you talk to girls like, I don't know what dress I'm going to wear. I'm boys. I'm like, I know what I'm going to wear. I'm on the fucking suit. I have one choice. And thank God we have that because we don't have to think. We just got to get that goddamn suit and we hope we fit in it. We hit all the hundreds of years ago. We did. And you know what? There has never been a case where you don't be like, God damn, you look good. When your friends were in the suit, you all think like, God, he dressed up. He looks great. Yeah, immaculate. It's, you know what I mean? It works. Yeah, it works. Men do not change the suit. We have hit gold. Let's stick with it. Other men want to fix it. Things do it. It works for hundreds of years. Good. Yeah. Let them change it if they want to change it. Yeah. But they're edge cases. Our suit and our core values of the suit will not change. We're keeping the damn suit. You know what is one like fashion resurgence that I have just never understood how it happened? How did Crocs become cool? Because they moved to like limited drops and they just changed the whole marketing around it. Because was this the same thing in the UK where like if back in the 2000s when Crocs came out and you were caught wearing Crocs, then it was like, oh, I can bully you. Yeah. Yeah. But because they were marketed like kids and but now they've been, they've kind of gone the hype. They're still marketed to kids. They're more hype beast now. Yeah. But now it's Birkenstocks, bro. No. Yeah. Birkenstocks. No. Birkenstocks have been around for a long time. Yeah. But Birkenstocks are in now. I wear them. I know. Dude, Birken's were around in like fucking 2012. No, no, no. I'm telling you they replaced the Croc, the Croc meta. No, they haven't. Yeah. You know what the meta is right now? It's Jorts and Crocs. No. Yes, it is. Crocs are out, bro. Jorts and Crocs are the big combo now in the fashion world. And you know what? If you asked me 20 years ago that this was going to be the whole thing, I would have been like, I don't want to live on this. I'm a die on my books. I'm going to tell you. You're telling me 2020's fashion is superior. I mean, yeah. Kind of. Either way, I hate fashion. I'll leave it to Jerry. Okay. I don't know anything on what I'm talking about. Okay. All right. Okay. But thanks so much for watching this episode of Trash Taste. There's no down below if you agree with our thoughts. And if not, why? Let's have a discussion down below. Yes. Leave it in the comments. Hey, look at all these patrons though. I'm sure. So sexy. I'm sure. 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