The Weight Loss Lie Dave Asprey Says Is Keeping You Stuck

Eat less and work out more. It's bad advice. I eat the least of any of my friends, and I work out more than all of them in combination. And I'm so fat. Having judgment about supplements is dumb. And if you're like, well, I should get all of my nutrients from my food. Your food doesn't have nutrients in it because the soil does have nutrients in it. I just want to have the energy and the focus and a brain that doesn't turn off in the middle of the day with no skewers. I'm so excited to sit down and talk to you. You have been such an inspiration to me on my own biohacking journey. And if it wasn't for your work, I don't think I'd be in the space. I read your book 2019, which was superhuman. 2018, I did Game Changers. Wow, you even did Game Changers. That was my highest number of stars of all the books, like 4.9 or something. And it was so exciting. I was like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, I'm going to be like, you know, you're kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of kind of because you literally interviewed some of the biggest names in the space who are so like powerful and at the head of their game and you broke them down into their habits, what they're doing and how they're optimizing themselves. It's so cool that that was helpful for you because I was kind of bummed. That one sold but it wasn't one of my bigger books. I mean, there's just, there's like reading 25 personal development books. It was the hardest of all my books to write too, but I'll walk. But it was one of the biggest inspirations. So thank you for putting that incredible work out and thank you for continuing to do incredible work. You know, the number of people that I just met at the conference here in Miami who had stories. It's really touching. And then a few days before recording this, I got to interview the Commissioner of the FDA on stage. And if you had told me 10 years ago that they would ever let me in the same building with someone from the FDA, I would never believe it. But I'm actually really, really excited by the direction that we're going with our health. I got a lot of work to do. But I feel like we may be broken through some, some things that were congested. So I wanted to bring up this picture because this guy. Ah, yeah. I'm a good old founder. Yeah, this guy was the one that maybe you would remember. Imagine would be who he is today. Oh, it's totally funny. You found a good one there that that's one of my less, less common ones. People still to this day like, did you were never 300 pounds? How about my picture from an entrepreneur magazine when I'm 23? Is that enough approved? No. So yeah, guys, I was never fat. It turns out I've just always been lean in ripped and six percent body fat. One inspired that guy to get started on his journey because everybody knows he was Dave Asprey now. And unless you've read your original work, which I've dived into, they might not know, what was that pivotal moment in your life that you were like, I can't live like this anymore. Well, there's there's a couple of them. They diagnosed me with arthritis. Now it's 14 in my knees. Oh, he's known what old people get. And just said, well, you know, enjoy your soccer. It's going to hurt. Oh, my God. Okay. But by the time I'm 23, I've had three knee surgeries. I think, you know, I have to lose this weight. I've been exercising. I've been on a low fat, low-calorie diet. I went to the gym 90 minutes a day, six days a week without fail for 18 months. And I went on the low fat. Some of my vegetarian, I didn't meet sometimes, but really strict diet. I never lost an inch and I never lost a pound. I'm sure I put on some muscle underneath all the fat, but oh, my God. It was so frustrating. And then I decided I would do something that was maybe higher risk for the knee. And I blew my knee out again, playing laser tag. This sucks. Like I did everything to the extent you could possibly do it. And I just realized this isn't working. Same thing. I'm sitting with my, my thin friends at a Carl's Jr. and they're eating double Western bacon cheeseburgers. I'm like, oh, the chicken salad with no chicken, no dressing. And like I, I, the least of any of my friends, and I'm the biggest. And I work out more than all them in combination. Like more than six people. And I'm so fat. Maybe it's lack of effort or maybe it's just not working. And this mean-spirited lie that it's eat less and work out more. It just, it's bad advice. Right. You in your book in 2018 said don't be a jerk to yourself. That's a really good piece of advice. And do you still apply that to yourself today when you're having really hard days? Oh, I don't have a mean voice in my head anymore. It's totally gone. I, I truly don't. Completely? Yeah. I've spent six months of my life with electrodes glued to my head. Each week is equal to 10, 20, 30 years of meditation. So literally anything that triggers me, okay. I'm going to go work on that and you can turn off the alerts. It's like if you went to your phone and you turned off all of the things from SMS and Tiktok and Instagram or whatever else pops out. Nothing's going to pop up. And if something did, you'd say, oh, that's where let me go into the settings and turn that off. It's just not worth having a mean voice in your head. It's not even you. It's someone else. And people sometimes go, that can't be. Your body has a voice and it has motivations. They come from mitochondria and you have your conscious brain. And they're actually different with different goals. And we think that we are both voices. And once you sort that out, you can train your mitochondrial network pretty much to be like a service dog instead of like the Labrador that you know, piece in your couch and eats all your food and parks to the neighbors. And for people who are listening and their bodies and fight or flight and their hyper alert and they're super vigilant and they're like, Dave, how do we even calm down our nervous system to be able to train our mitochondria to that extent? I used to just try to calm down. It's like they just knock their fingers and just be like, then. But isn't it funny how that just doesn't work? Right. Right. But we still tell ourselves that. So how does the body really decide to be stressed or not? It looks at the environment around you. And this isn't about you thinking about the environment around you. It's your body sensing the environment around you. And it says, what's my energy balance? Are there things that the body perceives as stressors? Is it too hot? Is it too cold? Is it bright in the middle of the night? Are you indoors and you never got any sunshine? Are you eating foods that actually are slightly poisonous to your mitochondria over time? And you won't be in fight or flight if your body does a great job of making energy. Because I've got enough energy to handle anything today. Right. And that's why it's called danger coffee. Like danger who knows what you might do. Like I actually feel good again. And that's because of the minerals in the coffee. But even if you have enough energy, you can still have programming and beliefs that are a problem. So if you have a story in your head, I'm not worthy. Nobody loves me. You know, I'm aware. Whatever your thing is. Well, you can address those beliefs, but those are not the most common cause of feeling anxious and stress. It's biological dysfunction. And your body is like, I'm freaking out here. You're telling me to go harder and I'm not safe. Right. If you can address that first with your environment. And secondly, with some kind of therapy or trauma resolution. And you might want to use some biohacks like vagal nerve stimulation. Is one way to do that. Breath work. In heavily meditated, which is my most recent book, I go through all the different techniques for putting yourself in different altered states, including the one that makes you chill out. So if the voice in your head is really mean, do one of those techniques. Like breathe in for four seconds, and then breathe out for eight. And doing that a few times will surprisingly shift things. And maybe the voice in your head will be quieter. Certainly your nervous system will calm down. The body comes down, mind comes down. And when you talk about all this stuff and all this, you know, person development that you had that brought you to the state, how much of a role did psychedelics or plant medicine play in your evolution? Well, altered states played a very big role in my evolution. If you to told me when I was, you know, 28, that the world was as weird as it is, I said, no, the world is logical. I'm a computer science guy. Yeah, exactly. Like this is dumb. And you're in a cult. So then I did whole tropic breath work. I was like, oh my god, things are way more complex than I thought. And then I also did, I did ayahuasca in 1999. And this was before tourists would ever do it. I went down and they said, Dave, you're white. And like, I know. And it's for locals. So I went and I found a shaman. In Peru? In Peru? Yeah. And I had a ceremony. And it was interesting. But I don't know that I, I don't know that I went as deep as I probably should have gone. And since that time, I've actually done shamanic training. And I'm very familiar with medicine space. And I can do things like that. But I actually kind of feel bad that at the beginning of the biohacking movement, I mentioned that trip to Peru to do ayahuasca. Just as a little pebble for people like, oh, maybe this guy is also doing consciousness. Because I couldn't bring up some of the conscious work that I do. And all of the other stuff like butter and coffee and lasers on your brain. Because people already thought I was pretty weird. Right. So there's like a timed release of these things. The problem is that some people like, oh ayahuasca, yay. And then it's not a party drug. I think you want to do it in the jungle with people who are trained originally. I think it's actually kind of dangerous. And it makes me uncomfortable when I hear some of these influencers saying, bro, I've done ayahuasca 87 times. It's crazy, right? It's like, when you're going to notice it's not working. Like it's a sacred medicine and has a very big dark side. And the shaman's job is to be a firewall to keep the dark stuff out. Well, the female side of the plant does the work. So how do you sail that in an Instagram post? I don't know. But so that was part of it. And I've done all of the medicines except for ibogaine. Are you curious about that one? Yeah, it's on my to-do list. Yeah, in fact, it's already booked for key one. So where are you going to be going to try it? I'm going to go down to a clinic in Mexico. Me, same on their mark. Just went to? Yeah, surprise me. I just talked to Mark and he'd gone to it. And it's one of those things where this is one of the more dangerous drugs from a cardiac perspective. So I'm not doing that drug unless I have an EKG and a crash team. Because I'm not crazy. Yeah. Even though lots of people have done it without that. So it's also not about checking the list. Like I want to try the whole set. These aren't playing cards. When I'm doing this, it's always intentional. It's always it's always work. But by far, I've seen the most things and have the most development from neurofeedback. So neurofeedback and breath work would be on the top two. Psychedelics would be the third. And I'd be most cautious with ibogaine and ahya. And if you're saying, but I want to do, I know it just smokes some DMT. It's very similar. Only 15 minutes. Less risk. Yeah. If you know me, you know, I'm intentional about what I put into my body. That's why I'm so excited to share something that's genuinely changed my wellness and routine. Seeds new, cobiotics. Cobiotics are supplements designed to support your body and microbiome. The community of microbes that plays a major role in nutrition, energy recovery, immunity, and honestly, every single part of your health. The three formulas, DMO2, daily multivitamin, AMO2, energy focus, and PMO2, sleep plus restore, working sync with your biology to fill nutrient gaps, boost clean energy without caffeine and support deep restorative sleep, which I promise you, you all need more than you know. What really stands out to me about seeds, cobiotics is a capsule and capsule design. It is absolutely genius. 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And heavily meditated became the number one best selling philosophy book in the country, which is weird for a meditation book. Because I have a unique perspective on the origins of the ego. I think it's an emerging behavior from mitochondria just trying to stay alive. So if you look at that, if you do plant medicine and you don't write it down or talk to someone and do the integration work, well, your mitochondrial intelligence gets all the knowledge, but it has the ability to make you forget stuff. The ego is in charge of forgetfulness, at least in Buddhism. So I've seen this over and over in people doing 40 years of Zen, which involves ketamine if you want it to. And so they have these amazing breakthroughs. And 10 minutes later, I like their ego's completely erased it. I'm like, no, no, no, no, and integration brings it back into your consciousness. So you get to be more charged. I think if you're doing these medicines 87 times, you're actually becoming less in charge and making your ego stronger. And you'll never see your ego when it's stronger because that's the nature of ego. And it's so weird people like, what is this biohacker talking about ego? Biohacking's just a Trojan horse to get people to pay attention to longevity and consciousness work. And it turns out setting up the environment around to you and inside you is so you have a body that works as a nice side benefit to being more conscious and living a long time. Do you think consciousness also obviously had impacted a lot of your personal relationships? But as you started shifting and changing, some of your closest relationships also not be able to recognize you for who you were becoming or were they supportive? You know, very few people who go on a personal development path will have supportive families. If your parents were hippies, then they've been doing their whole life good for you. Right. Like you're very lucky. But for the most part, your family is going to think you're nuts. Even when I started losing weight. Yeah. Are you losing too much weight? I'm like, fuck off. I'm not losing too much. I haven't tried to do this for years. Finally working. No, I don't look too thin. I like buying new pants. Right. And so it's okay that people who know you one way, they actually feel threatened when they see you changing because maybe it means that they might have to change too and they're going to resistance. So it's normal. And it's even healthy when you start having some kind of, I'm going to do an introspective process. Some people won't like it. Even if you don't do an introspective process, some people won't like you. Maybe it doesn't matter. It doesn't really matter what you people think. And when it came to letting go of certain personal relationships, looking back, would you have done things differently? I would have done it sooner. Like I straight up divorced my sister. Like my only sibling tried to steal one of my companies. Full on white collar, crime, premeditated, all this kind of stuff. I'm like, are you serious? It's totally insane. So I write about it this and heavily meditated because there's two traumas that adults usually go through. And one is injustice and the other one is betrayal. And when there's someone who you've trusted, who you think is working for you and isn't, and then they stab me in the back, it actually leaves marks. This is why the process at 40 years in it, I would say it saved my life. I mean, how do you let go of that? How do you ever adjust people again? Well, you run through the forgiveness, the reset process there. It's eight steps. And I did it with electrodes on my head. And I can see if what is MV agreed and whatever. Fear? Not, yeah, not my problem. But the reality is I have good boundaries. And I know that when you're dealing with narcissism, there's a step-by-step recipe for how to deal with narcissists. You don't talk to them again. And it doesn't matter if their blood relatives are not. So I'm not angry. I'm not holding a grudge, but I'm holding boundaries. And it's funny because the more narcissistic or codependent someone is, the more they get angry when you have a boundary without being mad. Because their whole goal is to make them mad. But understanding these things about the world, man, you have a lot more peace. If you can look at someone's behavior without the voice in your head going, and without your nervous system getting all tweaked. And that is where the regulation's so important. So that's why I think you're work with 40 years of Zen and heavily meditated was so profound. Because it helps people go back into their body and drown out the outside noise to be like, what is really going on here? And is this my programming in my belief systems? Or is this actually something that I shouldn't be participating in? It's always helpful to have a few really conscious friends or a good therapist. You should always double check your judgment to your assessments. Or possibly if you're in a healthy relationship, your partner can be a good sound board. And I would say if you're a guy, I'm ask the women and your life women are generally more intuitive than men. Yeah. Do you, when it comes to personal relationships, have you felt that meeting a partner now is easier or harder because you've you've kind of shifted through all these levels of consciousness, right? Is it easier for you to pick up on somebody when you meet them? Or actually it's like, hey, I know too much. And it's almost like harder, you know what I mean? That's a really cool question. So it's very easy for me to date because I have a well-regulated nervous system. Right. And there's, in fact, I'm thinking about doing a class romantic, just teach a technique for how to give a good hug. There's a thing that you can do with your energy field that shows someone who you are. Okay. And it's very noticeable when you hug when the right way they feel melt, right? And it's like the unconscious handshake between two people where you is like, who is this person? Right. So, dating is not a problem and also puts like, I'm well known and tall. Yeah, of course. You know, it's not that hard. But yeah, finding people that I want to date, there's all kinds of interesting people, but I'm not, I'm not that interested in a long-term relationship right now. I just got out of a two-year girlfriend boyfriend situation. Right. So, you just focused on you. Yeah, and it didn't really beautifully and no one did anything bad. But, yeah, I'm too busy and yeah, it's almost like having a part-time job to have a girlfriend. So, I think it's really important to have the right relationships in your life because of wrong relationships or when something is finished, it just drains you. Oh, totally. And I think that's where a lot of people get stuck in this loop because it comes back to fear. And am I not good enough? And then the eagle plays into it and they're like, wait, I'm okay. It's funny I was talking with my kids. And he's like, oh no, what does it mean if she doesn't like me? Like, well, okay, let me ask this. Do you like pizza or tacos? I mean, you know, pick one. I'm kids actually don't eat very much of either. Right. But, okay, you like pizza. Great. So, if you're the taco, what does it say about tacos? Nothing. It means you like pizza. So, it doesn't matter if someone likes you. Wait. It truly doesn't. Okay? It's not about you. It's about them. And I feel that way. And so, yeah, whenever I decided I went along to a relationship, I'll look around and it'll, it'll appear when it, you know, but I'm not on the path for that. When you're alone and no one needs anything from you, who do you feel you truly are? That's a weird question. Do you think that I'm different when people need things from me than when I'm truly alone? But, you know, do they know? But I always wonder because sometimes who have to show up at work as a CEO, as a founder and everybody expects so much from me, right? Yeah. It's a version of myself that has to show up. When I'm actually alone in quiet and I can just be by myself, then I'm able to soften a little bit more. Oh, okay. It's different because you're a woman. And women's CEO's, and I support a lot of very powerful women's CEO's who've been through 40 years and some who are my dear friends. It's like you're sitting in a masculine energy all day long and pushing, right? At the end of the day, you have to soften. Otherwise, it's actually really hard for you. And for a male CEO, it's a little bit different. This is where we're going to sit in our masculine anyway. But one of the guys I just had on my show Adam Lane Smith, I think it was last name, talks about there being four kinds of safety that men bring and four kinds of peace that women bring in relationships. And that most of us don't know how to do at least two of those four kinds. So what's going on is you need to be able to drop into that that side of peace. So developing the ability to switch states or switch polarities effortlessly is really important. And that's been a part of my work on more of the Eastern mysticism, the esoteric kind of stuff. So all polarities that exist allow life to be. You can't have light without dark. Man, woman, you know, teacher, student, all of the things that are out there. And all of them you can switch between. And the reason that it's hard to switch is fear. So when you're absolutely unafraid to go into your full on like, I will kill you if you don't do what I say versus take me. You know, whatever the opposite is for you. If you're safe in all those states, and most of us, along the way, get a message from society or parents or teachers or coaches or whatever, that is not safe to do that. In fact, my favorite author for women of all time is Kasha Urbanaik. And I bought her book for hundreds of friends. It's called Unbound a Woman's Guide to Power. And in fact, I had dinner with her last night. Funny enough, she was teaching a class in Miami here. So in Kasha's work, she says, look, here's why society tells women, you're either too much or not enough. And you've learned this when you're very young. To the point that it's very hard to even know what you really need. You ask for what you're supposed to need instead of what you actually need. And she has a process to teach women. Here's how to tap into what you really want instead of what you think you want. And it's profound. I've seen so much growth in people. So it comes down to, do you feel safe that you generate yourself and then safe to be fully relaxed at home and then fully strong in whatever position you are in work? And just be okay with that or as one of them have like an edge. Right. And that's I think what women find so hard navigating between and shifting between. And that's why the right sort of partnerships and the environments there are so important. So who are they working with, who are their colleagues, but also who they choose as a partner? Oh, 100%. If you only be really successful, have a great partner. Right. I was going to ask you, do you ever feel the person who's just expected to know everything and have all the answers at all times? But I actually do. Okay. Dave and Marxis is coming out. I'm very happy to say that I don't know the answer. And quite often I don't. And it's funny. The things that I'm curious about, I tend to really know. And because I was a computer hacker and I'm a systems thinker. I'm maybe because I used to have autism. Like if it's in my domain, I can figure it out. Right. I know. But if you want to know something about like who played baseball when I'm pretty sure baseball is a thing with the bat. Like I just don't care. I know it is. It's just not it none of my conscience goes there to play baseball full respect. Like great, but it's just not what I think about. So I mean, they're 100% or zero. It's all in or nothing for me. A lot of your work centers around discipline and being controlled and having that discipline on yourself. Was it an early part of your childhood that you felt that you completely were not in control or could not be disciplined? That's such an interesting perspective. I actually think my life revolves around freedom. You think? Which is the other side of the polarity of control. Okay. And because I had chronic fatigue syndrome for so long. I grew up with OCD and something called ODD. You know what that one? No. Oppositional defiant disorder. Okay. This is like having that rage against the machine. F you out and do it. So that song's playing all the time in your head. Anytime a teacher or parent tells you to do something before you can think you're like, no. So that's not good. And it's caused strangely by having toxic mold in your house that triggers chronic strep throat, which triggers an immune reaction to a neurotransmitter. No, not to some kind of nerf I forget. But anyway, yeah, that's known as called pandas. So I know that I had all these things. So I just want to have the energy and the focus and a brain that doesn't turn off in the middle of the day with no excuse. Right. Right. Because that's annoying. I just like having a brown out in the electrical grid in the middle of your math test. But it just happens randomly all day long. So I just didn't want that. And then I want to be happy. And I worked on this a lot. Like, oh, I'll be happy when I'm famous. I'm 23 years old. I'm in entrepreneur magazine. I'm the first guy to sell anything over the internet. That didn't make you happy for 15 minutes. Like, whoa, I got to press it. And then when I didn't work, so I'll get rich. A couple years later, $6 million. I make it. I'm like, I'll be happy when I have 10. And then I lose it all anyway. So money doesn't make it happy. Fame doesn't make it happy. Oh, look, I married. I got married for a couple years in my 20s. Dude, that sucked. So what else you supposed to do? I guess we have to work on me. Because I'm the only common element in all of these. So yeah, it's always been about freedom and just experiencing happiness and maybe doing things that are beautiful. But I do want to control my body. Because your body will fucking lie to you all the time. And it'll get fat and do stupid stuff and make you eat all the cheesecake. And so like, behave yourself. How do you stay consistent with having such incredible discipline? You ever cheat? I don't have consistent discipline. Unless I'm like working with the dominatrix. That's a good, different conversation. We'll talk about that next, you know? There's a chapter in the book on it. So what I do though is I practice extreme laziness. And this is, oh yeah, this is a trigger word for people. They get so mad. In fact, it's worse than talking about death or sewage or something. But here's the deal. Your mitochondria hate wasting energy. So all innovation in the world has been, I don't want to wash my clothes by hand. I'll make a dishwasher. I don't want to walk. I'll make a bicycle. Like, everything we do to make life easier is because we are fundamentally inside ourselves energy saving beings. So what I do is I excite myself with the savings I get instead of with the work I have to do. Okay. So yeah, I get to go to the gym. Gross. You're probably just going to go to the gym. I could try to tell myself I want to go. But in all seriousness, unless I'm addicted to endorphins, I actually don't want to go to the gym. I'm truthful about that. But I'm going to go to upgrade labs. And I'm going to save 45 minutes of sweating on a bike. And I'm going to get six times better results. Okay. I want six times better results. I'm going to go. Absolutely. So it's motivating yourself by understanding your body is wired for power and it's wired for sex. And this is before you can think. So I recognize that about myself. And we all have it, even if we don't want to think that. So then I'm like, okay, how can I get this done in the least possible effort? That's interesting. That's a problem. I can solve that problem. So my discipline comes entirely from wanting to save energy. As someone who's always drawn to wellness products that are simple, effective and actually help you understand your body, which is why I'm so excited to share the hormones zoomer by vibrant wellness, a company I love and trust. 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The other one is called Minerals 101. This is a mix of almost a dozen different minerals. You can say, I'm going to meditate today. I'm going to go to the gym and your mitochondria like dumbass. You don't have zinc. I cannot build a puzzle. With that thing. I can't build neurotransmitters. So let's get the building blocks in there. It really comes down to fat soluble vitamins to guide the minerals to go to the right place in a body. Those are my two non-negotiables every day. Then, man, from there, I take 150 supplements a day. People say, what's the list? People have offered me tens of thousands of dollars for the list? No. Because unless you have my genetics, my background, and my goals, if you take the supplements I take, you're probably going to get disaster pants. They're not going to work for you. Get ahead. What we do is we customize your stack. There's a couple of ways to do that. One of them is with Axo.health. This is one of my companies, part of Upgrade Labs. It's AXO.health. Let's get your blood work done. What are you lacking? Let's address that. The other thing when I'm doing the very high-end concierge longevity medicine with a medical doctor, this is that unlimited.life. There, we have $40,000 with the lab tests. We're looking at your genetics, looking at your biomarkers, looking at everything, and looking at your goals and saying, if we go through all these, what are the supplements that are going to address that one weird genetic thing that isn't methylation, but something knows they've ever heard of? So you can get really specific. I've done all of that work in a lot more. I would say you want to take something for your mitochondria. It might be something like timeline, could be something like sodium butyrate, which is, or calcium-inducine butyrate, from body bio, is a company that makes a good one. And things as basic as coenzyme Q10. You know many people would be better off if they spent $30 a month on coenzyme Q10? It's not that hard. It's incredible for oxidative stress, which we're all experiencing all day, every day, and it damages ourselves. I'm going straight from here to the airport to flight or Dubai. So I'm pretty sure I'll be taking extra supplements on that flight to avoid the oxidative stress, and I'm not going to get to that like when I land. Do you have a whole bag out there just full of supplements? Pretty much. And you organize it by day or you just carry it like in the ziplocks with you. I have a spreadsheet. Okay. And I have a room in my house where the walls are just shelves. It looks like a GNC or something. And I just have six months of everything, so I just grab a bottle or whatever. And then when I'm going on a trip, I ask my personal assistant to pack these for me. And I put them in these really cool bags. Okay. And then we like put a sticker on it and we heat seal it so that it looks so official. Otherwise, have you just ran to bags of pills? That happened to me. So I was leaving Ibiza this summer and I had like a six week supply of pills and they stopped me at the airport and they're like, you're transporting drugs. And I was like, these are not drugs. These are my supplements. And they were like, but all different colors. I'm like, yes. And they're like, how can somebody take so many pills? And I'm like, why would my forties? That's what I need. This is my stack. And I literally have pictures of them stopping me. They had to get the drug squad out. They started like scanning everything. I was like, thank God I didn't actually have something on me because that would be the end of it. Yeah. And I was just like mortified standing there for 45 minutes while they scanned my entire suitcase. I would have had fun with it. It'd been like, oh, that one, that's like herbal vagrap. Yeah. They're like, what do you say? You know, this is like some MDMA, this is some exacy over here, you know? But they were mortified. They were like, how does a human being take so many supplements? But that's also where the Europeans are so different to the Americans. Yeah, but a lot of their teeth are crooked. And there were a lot of other health issues. Sorry, Europeans. I come from Europe. But a bottom line is having judgment about supplements is dumb. Right. And they're concentrated food. And if you're like, well, I should get all of my nutrients from my food. Your food doesn't have nutrients in it because the soil doesn't have nutrients in it. Because we've been growing the food there for a hundred years. Correct. And we've got. These are the soil as well. Yeah, totally. We've got problems. So it's weird. We take food and then we get rid of the toxic parts in this weird process called cooking. Right. And then we take that same food and we get rid of many more parts of it and keep the most useful parts. And it's called an herbal supplement. And you take that and somehow that's cheating. Okay, I'm cheating. Great. I admit it. I cheated. But I also feel better, look better. My brain works better. Everything is better. I'm optimized to the best capacity. So why would I not be doing that? Because it's expensive and it's kind of annoying. And people need to be organized and disciplined with how they take it, time it, all of that stuff. And building systems reduces friction. And discipline that relies on willpower will fail. Because willpower is driven by mitochondria and they run out of sugar or run out of ketones or something. They're like, no, willpower for you. Yeah. So what you do is you say, all right, how can I set the subsoes the least possible work for you in my supplements? And that's why I buy a six month supply. Could you imagine if I take 150 supplements every month, they have to have 150 reorders? I would hate my life. That alone would be a full-time job. Right. So it's creating efficiencies in your life so you can manage everything better. Yep. What are some supplements, however, on the market that you think are absolute bullshit? Except for green juices and powders. This is a rough question because for this one person out there, a supplement that doesn't work for most people might just be a life changing for them. We are all so unique. And if you look at the standard curve, that bell shaped curve, a lot of epidemiology, like, well, let's design for that one guy in the middle. Mm-hmm. If you remember back in, say, high school or something, there's this one kid who's like, this is the best teacher ever. And then half the class is like, this is so boring. And the other half is like, I don't understand. I mean, because you can't please everyone. So a supplement that might just be not good for a lot of people could be really important. I have our time just throwing things under the bus. But what I can do is say, why are you putting titanium dioxide? And then you're putting it in your supplements. That's not okay. You want artificial coloring to make it look pretty? That's dumb. Right. So I look at ingredient quality and acceptance and binders. And then is it something that you need? And sadly, there's a bunch of people out there who are said, oh, this is a get rich quick kind of thing. Correct. They'll formulate supplements without understanding how they work. And then they kind of slap some stuff together. And I'm even then, you know, as long as the ingredients are what they say they are. And if you bought it on Amazon, it's probably not that way. Amazon has a serious problem with counterfeit supplements. But it's really hard to just throw one under the bus. Oh, I knew one. Beta-carotene is stupid. You want to take real vitamin A, which is called retinol. Because most people can't convert beta-carotene into vitamin A. It's a genetic thing. So why would you take the form that your body might not convert? When you could just take the real stuff. And then folic acid, we should ban that stuff. It is the worst thing ever. And people say, but it reduces neural tube defects. This is why I have to be careful with epidemiologists and like people like register dietitians. Unless they're functional register dietitians, which many of my friends are. Right. So there's a difference. The RDS are the ones who put McDonald's at hospitals and in school lunches and say, it's okay because of calories. So folic acid for about a third of people is actually toxic. But it could be beneficial for another third of people. There's a form called folinic acid, which is funny in 2011, my first book on fertility. I'm like, if you don't want to kid with autism, take folinic acid. And now using it to treat autism only 14 years after I wrote the book. And this is what happens folic acid might turn to methyl folate, might turn to folinic acid. So you might as well just take the downstream component that your body can absorb. So folic acid is dumb. Synthetic vitamin E is dumb because it doesn't work and increases risk. But other than that, there's probably someone somewhere where it changed their life. But for the rest of us, it might just not be good investment. You're actually the guy came up with the word biohacking. Yeah. You know, you came up with a term and the industry is now kind of piggybacked off and changed so much. What are the things about the industry that you love where you see it today? You're like, I helped pioneer this. But what are also parts of it that deeply annoy you? You know, I am just in awe. I see the industry analyst reports. I started with $36 billion industry. Yes. How crazy. Right. Yeah. I really, I set out to say something is so deeply wrong with the way we think about our health. And it's so disempowered for people. And I actually don't want to be healthy. I don't mean way more than healthy. Like really you can ask for anything you want. You're like, have a little jar and you rub it. The genie comes out and goes, I want to be healthy. No. I want to be super mad. Yeah. I want to be optimized to the best of my ability. Yeah. So I'm just I am in awe and I'm grateful. And in terms of things that annoy me, it's really hard to annoy me. Because I've done all this weird neurological work. There are things that I think are just wasteful. I'm like, oh man. Or sometimes I see people intentionally driving division as much as they can and sell things. And the two things that I hear the most, one is my favorite. It's usually a woman saying biohacking is just for men. And I'm like, bitch, please. It's been 58% of women since the start of the movement. Like, it's been more women than men. Right. The first, actually, maybe the second blog post. Right. Right. I know I have the data. Yeah. And so it turns out women are better biohackers than men. And then they say, well, there aren't that many female biohackers. I'm like, I feel like I'm in my show. Correct. There's so many women out there. Yeah. So it's not men ignoring women. It's women trying to create divisiveness to get attention for their products. And so that's one. And the other one say, oh, it's just for rich men. And I'm like, every one of my books, here's the principle we didn't understand. Correct. Like, this is the way to do it on a budget. Yeah. It's free. Like, yeah. Like curtains cost a dollar. A aluminum foil is almost free for your curtains. Like, you can do the free sunshine and darkness. You can get a fancy red light. But the principle is what matters. And so most of the things are affordable or cheap. And some of the things that we're doing to prove it's possible like gene therapy. I have done two gene therapy treatments. They're 25 grand a pop. I'm doing another one in Dubai. So that's probably not so many. Anyone's going to do now. But it'll probably be five bucks in 20 years. Because that's the nature of things. For anybody listening who doesn't know what gene therapy is, can we explain it a little bit? This is when you inject something in your body that instructs yourselves to make a new compound. I'm doing gene therapy that tells my body to make longevity molecules. So the two I've done so far are full of statin. And next I'm doing something called veg F, which increases the growth of microcapillaries, which is good for tissue circulation. And I'm going to go back after that. The next one I'm going to do is called Clotho. Okay. And what does Clotho do? Clotho is one of these amazing longevity compounds that I wrote about in superhuman. But you couldn't buy it anywhere. And Clotho increases cognitive function and reduces your speed of aging dramatically. So this is something we've dreamed of being able to introduce to the body. Right. And it's about to happen. And out of everything else that you've tried and tested on yourself, what else do you think is absolutely phenomenal? Stem cells, exosomes, like what's your take on all that? The stem cell work I've done in the early days in the US was very rough, like getting hit by a truck. I mean, it was that painful. Well, I had every joint in my body and my reproductive system and face all injected with stem cells taken from my bone marrow and fat. And that, yeah, that was brutal. Now I go out of the US to RMI. And there it's a lot more palatable. But the really incredible thing that I did last time I was there was focused ultrasound. So two intersecting beams of sound on the base of my brain to open up the blood brain barrier. So stem cells get into the brain and reverse the central aging clock's time. So it's like setting the time back. Okay. So that was amazing. And you also recently did, I thought it was last year we did a fat transfer. There wasn't very much fat to go in. Yeah, I was going to say. Yeah, it was more than that. Let's just call it what it was. It was a facial circumcision. Okay. I mean, the results are amazing. I'm not supposed to laugh over there. Yeah, but it was the results are incredible. Thank you. So having been really fat, I have about a half of a large bath towel worth of extra skin on my back. Great. And I look freaking great with my shirt off because you're seeing me from the front. Fortunately, I mostly went to the back. And on my face, I had a full, a handful of skin, like a passport cover worth of skin extra on my face. And you could grab it and pull it from your old days. Yeah, just for when I was fat and fluffy like that picture. So like there's no longevity technique. I actually have young skin, but I just had a lot of it. So like, all right, I cut my toenails. I'll just trim my face when I, some people got really judgey about it. And then I just made fun of their moms. I think I judge it was fun. I care judgey. Judgy about something that you're openly sharing. And being so genuine and authentic about it. Because it's cheating. Cheating to people. People love suffering and doing it the hard way. I'm like, do you drive to work? You're cheating. You should walk shame, shame, shame. Like, come on guys. Yes, I took the extra skin off my face because I used to be fat. You should not get as fat as I was. It's not good for you. What's your take on rapamai scene for longevity? There isn't very good evidence to rapamai sin for longevity. And I have experimented with it over the years. And just said, you know, that's one that I'm probably not going to do. And I've been saying for a long time, Metformin is another drug that people have been taking for longevity. Unless you have diabetes, it's not worth it. Right. And back in 2003, a study came out that showed that it mimicked fasting and mice. And because I'm that kind of guy, I got some at Formin. I started taking it in 2003. And in 2005, I met the company who did that research. And I went in in this room full of these doctors and white lab coats. And I talked about the research. I said, well, I've been taking it for two years. And they said, what you're taking Metformin? This was just a mouse study. I'm like, well, it's not going to hurt me. It's a known drug. And they look at me and they go, how old are you? And I'm like, I'm 74. Sorry. They believe me for like half a second. They really make it worse. Yeah, it works. But what I found is it affects mitochondrial function. It makes you tired. It lowers your VO2 max. It inhibits your B12. And there's just better ways to get the same effects. The only reason I'm asking is because Rapa Miceean recently, and it was just published, had some really interesting research when it came to slowing down a barren aging in women. That's interesting. I haven't seen that research. But if I was a woman and I was still young, what I would want to do would be to take a very small amount of ovarian tissue in this does require minor surgery and put it in an tissue bank frozen. Okay. And then when paramedicopostarts, you re-implant that back in your ovaries. And you'll have another full 20 years of no paramedicopost. And where can they do this? I don't know. We have to figure out where would they go to do this. The research is all done. They've done it and it is profound. Because they are doing stem cells and exosomes and now for the ovaries too. But the life cycle on that is about six months to eight months. So they haven't got to the point of the extension of 20 years. When you look at it from more of an energetic or an eastern perspective, I believe that the ovaries are actually the seat of female intuition. And they're a very unique organ. They have more mitochondria per cell, like something like... A hundred thousand. Up to six hundred thousand in some of them. And mitochondria are antennas for reality that then receive reality and do something with it. Like make you stressed or fearful or hungry or something. But they decide how to allocate energy. 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Women live in the 5D kind of reality, right? We are the intuitive guiding light. And that's where they always say that that's where great partnership comes in. I always looked at your woman to guide you and tell you. They're almost like oracles. And they can showcase, you know, tell you... When they feel safe. When they feel safe. Only with the right partner. Exactly. You should start a dating book next. Oh my gosh, that'd be interesting. Yeah, I think that's what your next book should be. Dating advice from men and women. Interesting question. I have to ask all my ex-dates. Girlfriends of they'd like contribute to the book. When it comes to Eastern traditions and Eastern medicine, what do you think some of the biggest takeaways for us should be? Well, there's a lot of arrogance in the West. Like we know everything. All those old cultures don't know anything. And just toe to toe, Ayurvedo will kick your ass. Right. There's 5,000 years of wisdom there. And not everything makes sense to us. Because we see things through a very... A very Western linear approach. And we don't generally understand signaling systems and cycles. We sort of feel like we are meat robots. And I've seen profound results from these ancient things that I didn't believe worked when I was young. And it was only after I exhausted all the Western stuff to get rid of the toxic mold that I had, that didn't even know what it was at first. And all the weight and all that. I explored all the weird stuff. And I've been to the strange little Chinese stores where there's, you know, I have new tin little wooden drawers wrapped in newspaper and you boil it in your house, stinks for a week. I've done all this stuff like that. And sometimes it works for reasons that no one really knows. And then I didn't think this was possible either. I've had a chance to study with some gurus who have very powerful abilities. They just know stuff. And they can do stuff. And that's real. And you can say, well, no, that's not real. Dave, no, I don't believe you. I can't believe anything inside because I disagreed with one thing. If you believe that, get out of third grade because I could just be wrong about that and write about other things. But anyway, some people get triggered by this. And then you can look at the books by Dean Raiden or Joe Disbendos, Ben and my stage multiple times, he was a friend. And they're scientific studies showing that these things actually happen. So don't throw out the ancient stuff. My goal has been, let's get the data. And let's see if it works. And it usually does, but not always. And what do you think has been personally for you, besides Arvadek, some of the masters you studied, which one has been the most profound for you? Do you look back and you're like, I'm so glad I met that person. I'm so glad I came across that modality. Man. Because there's so many you've experienced so many different things. Yeah, I don't know that I can stack rank with the people who've been kind of enough to call me up and tell me things. And the way that stuff works is it's called mysticism for a reason. But they say like an alchemy when the student is ready, the teacher will appear. And it's true. And that's how it happens. So each time when someone just, for reasons that I'm still like, wow, like, why did this person call me? Why did we get introduced? They're at the right time. And I hope that I'm at the right time for someone else. And yeah, where it just happens that way. So I think that's the universe working. Do you have any at this stage in your life, any personal insecurities? Thinking about that. I don't know if it's an insecurity. I have like uncertainties. I don't know that feeling secure about everything or uncertain about would be healthy either. That might be a little bit self deceiving. So yeah, I really haven't figured out like, do I actually want to be in a long-term relationship again? Because I was married for 17 years. And you know, I've had beautiful, you know, multi-year dating experiences. But I also, I don't, I have a big mission. Right. And I also recognize. I don't even distract it from that. Yeah, but I also recognize just the incredible power of having female energy in my life. But I'm also fortunate. I do have female, I have some, many of my best friends in the world of energetically super potent women. And like, let's do some magic together. We'll keep our clothes on. But like, let's just hang out and like just, you know, be present. So I'm feeling nourished at this point. That's an incredible way to look at things that you have still that need that's being met with other places in your life. And that goes down to showing all the inner work that you've done to cultivate the community around you. I feel so lucky to have some of the friends that I have. Yeah, there's been times when I really need them and vice versa. And if you have to give people listening a piece of advice on how to cultivate those relationships for themselves, because sometimes people are not really good at vetting people out, having healthy boundaries, and keeping the right people there. Because they're so scared. They're like, well, what if I kick these people out and there might be toxic for me, but that's all I have? It's really easy. Get really comfortable being lonely. You're just fine by yourself. Right. Right. And it's fear of being alone that makes you choose people who are not the wrong people. And for me, like, I kind of just do stuff that I'm scared of. I used to years ago, I knew that one of the things that would make me eat as far as feeling lonely, I would do it. And because I used to have Asperger's, there were times I was lonely on the playground, right? So I don't understand why all these kids are doing, they're dumb and they keep trying to punch me, but I'm twice their size. So I'll just sit on them, like, you know, first grade logic, right? So I was like, I'll just go to a cave. I'll have a shaman drop me off and cave for four days with no food. So then I can be hypoglypitchy and angry and nothing, like, I'm not going to get, nothing's going to happen. So I would say just be alone for a few days, right? And if you start feeling, oh, I'm going to die. Is it real? Is it true? No, it's, it's not, you're not going to die, right? Or go in a vision quest, like spend seven days in the middle of the forest somewhere. With nothing. And then you just realize, I'm really confused because I thought I would die if I was alone. If I could say the same way, you thought you'd die if you didn't have tacos for lunch, didn't you? But when you skipped lunch and you learned fasting, it was fine. So it's liberating. So fall in love with yourself and then you'll pick good people. But if you don't love yourself, you won't be able to see that they're not the kind of people. And then I mentioned, yeah, this is, Robert Green's work. But I summarize it in heavily meditated around spotting people who have envy. Because we have friends who are envious of you. It's super toxic and you should fire them right away. We'll call them out on end. How do you spot envy in someone? You tell someone, you look in right in the eye, so you're watching carefully. And you say, oh my gosh, I just got $100,000. And someone who's envious will just briefly go, like they get like a little snarl. And then they smile, oh, good for you. And like, wait a minute. And if you've done awareness and healing work, you can actually feel another person's energy. And then you're looking for congruence. And that's when the interstate matches the outer state. And we can all feel this. So people can walk in and they're like trained at acting. So they're saying one thing, but inside you're like, they're like, how can I take from this person? Or how can I emulate who they've become? Oh, yeah. That's a huge problem for influencers in particular. Someone who spoke at the Business of Biohacking Conference this year, this is where I teach entrepreneurs about, you know, how do you build companies the way I did build a proof? She's like, Dave, the problem is if you hire people who want to be you, they're looking to you as a savior. And all influencers will get this. You're going to save this person. And then when you don't, because they have to save themselves, then suddenly you become the bad daddy or the bad mommy or whatever. And then there are the ones who just blow up and then just make up shit or steal money and all kinds of stuff. And every entrepreneur I know has had people do that. So now I don't even advertise that it's a job for my companies. It's just some random jobs. So when it wants the work, and then they find out who it's for. Is there anybody at this stage in your career that really inspires you? Hmm. You know, Ben Franklin is pretty interesting, dude. Okay. There was a guy named Royal Rife who Tesla actually kind of borrowed some of his, if not Tesla car, but Nikolai Tesla. Right. Or Nikola Tesla borrowed a lot of the research from Royal Rife. And these were just really early innovators who saw the world really differently. And then Jack Welch who ran GE and back when GE was doing really well and just had a different perspective on things. In terms of more modern CEOs, I have to say Elon's auto or not auto, but Elon's biography. Holy crap. That is a really interesting book. And I don't agree that everything Elon does. Nor should I. Yeah, one else. Anybody. Like he's not a god. He's a human being. And it's okay that I like, you know, six out of seven things. Whatever it doesn't matter. But his perspective on how do you make a company efficient is freaking brilliant. And the way he went in to Twitter and just cleaned out, I'm going to be really rude to it, cleaned out the trash. There were a lot of people with a lot of unreasonable expectations. And he just absolutely, and it was like watching a samurai at work. I'm like, how would you fix a culture that broken? So I have a lot of respect for that. And I'm sure he's done all sorts of things. I wouldn't. So Elon definitely, at least some aspects of it, but also for all these people, just because you were interested in what someone does, they might also do some douchebag thing, but you have to hate them for it. So that's just their process in their journey. Yeah. So funny enough today, I heard we were when we were at Edimonia, there was one of the vendors. There were selling these psychedelic mushrooms. And they said, yeah, they were selling them. Yeah, they were able to sell them. And you didn't know until you approached the gun. He's like, hey, like be careful with your dosing what you take here. And he said, I'm friends with somebody who's supplied Elon some mushrooms around the time that he was going to buy Twitter. And I was like, okay, so you made that decision on Phil Simon. I was like, I'm going to say that on the podcast now. You know, I, it's hard to say made that decision only then, but I can see why he made the decision. And also, many people I know, including very successful people, will use psychedelics to see things from a different perspective. Right. And there's nothing wrong with that. I mean, I, we use ketamine at 40 years as an optional add-on because it increases neuroplasticity. And I've done some of my strongest, like esoteric, shamanic kind of work using ketamine as the molecule versus some other kind of plant medicine. And so for healing work, mushrooms actually aren't that good. They're good for communing or something, but they had too much, too much visual distortion. So if I'm doing something that's really precise energetically, if I'm working on someone's energy or whatever, it's like I lose fidelity. Right. This is frustrating. Yeah. Like I need a pinpoint accuracy and I can't do it because the mushrooms are fucking with my head. So the ketamine allows you to do that and go really laser-focused. Yeah. Are you starting to serve people in shamanic circles and helping your friends or people close to you? I'm not a, I haven't done full shamanic initiation. Okay. I've been initiated in some things. And I'm not a shaman. It drives me insane. I mean, see these people, oh, I'm a shaman. Everyone's a shaman. I'm like, do you not know what those guys do? Right, exactly. They live on the medicine for at least eight years and it is rough. And I have like so much... Respect for that. And I hire people like that because they are true experts in the field. So that said, when I'm in a medicine space and I see that and it's very obvious to me and whatever, what somewhat needs to do it. And I've developed some ability to help people in, I think, really beautiful and profound ways. But it's just something that emerges over time and it's not part of my professional life. But my friends, they know that I'm there for them if they need to kind of work. And for somebody who wants to work through their energy and just kind of upgrade themselves as a person, what molecule would you suggest? Would it be ketamine? Would it be DMT? What would you recommend? So in, there's one chapter in heavily meditated about psychedelics. And I go through a list in order of psychedelics. And I'm really concerned with people who are complete newbies. Like, I'm gonna go do ayahuasca. That's at the very bottom of the list. Right. I'm not saying you shouldn't do it. So for a lot of people, I'm just gonna say cannabis doesn't count. There are some states you can get into with it. But it's so common and it's not particularly good for your brain and people tend to use it a lot. So you need a lot of cannabis if you've never done anything. And for one time, okay, fine, whatever. But after that, it's either mushrooms or MDMA, depending on your goals. And mushrooms are relatively gentle, relatively safe. MDMA, a little bit more of a side effect profile, but really beautiful. So if it's trauma resolution or building depth in your relationship, you go down the MDMA or MDA path. And if it's personal exploration, then you go down a mushroom path. And then you maybe go to LSD. And after you've done those kinds of things, then smoke in some DMTs, probably a good idea. Right. Right. And people say, what do you mean a good idea? Look, if you're called, you're called. Right. But the one thing that I really want to say, don't do these things because like, oh, look, cool. Just check it off your list because when you're called, it's you get this inner knowing that isn't a thought. It's like an impulse. A body. And like four different people just randomly tell you on the same day, like you should try to, like, oh, wait, I'm going to listen. And it's very dangerous to say, I'm going to go do this drug that I'm not a hell yes to. And they go do it anyway, just because you feel social pressure or because I so that's when I see people have the most energetic disturbances. I don't believe in bad trips, but I do believe in chemical mal reactions. There are things that can happen that you just don't want. And their interventions were sometimes you have to bring in the shaman's from the jungle to fix it. But maybe don't go there until you're ready. Yeah. And you're called to it. Yeah. If there's one piece of advice that we feel that you have in cover Dave to leave our listeners with, what would that be? Well, we didn't talk about the other gateway to altered states. That is, it deserves a place right up there with breathwork in psychedelics. And it's sex. Okay. Specifically, tantric sex or conscious king. So all of the stuff that causes pain in people, the suffering, it's somatic. It's in the body experiencing. And there is very few things on earth that will get you more into your body than a good orgasm. Right. So having conscious sex, using techniques similar to breathwork that help you to really connect with that 20% of people report meeting God during orgasm at least once in their life. Really? Well, how are you going to know they're laying their floppy around like they always do. And let's say tell you. So yeah, really. So this is an altered state that is actually so nourishing for adults. Like you're saying, how do you, how do you soften when you come home from a hard day at work? That's an effective way to soften as a moment is have great sex. And as a man too, right? So I think sometimes we just have all this weird shame about that. But there are books on this, there are experts on this and there are techniques where you can use that to master your own energy. And it's very different for men and women. So I share about that in heavily meditated too. And it turns out though, for men, ejaculating frequently does cause problems. And it's because your testosterone goes down and something called prolactin goes up and some men are more sensitive than others. But all of the longevity practices Chinese medicine, a tantra itself, Ayurvedic, it's so ejaculating all the time, especially as you age, is actually depleting. So guys, you should learn how to have sex without ejaculating every time. And your life will improve dramatically because you'll have a lot more sex because you're always ready to go. And your partner's life will improve dramatically because it turns out for women, orgasms don't diminish you at all. They actually power you up. It's not fair. And what is it for women that you've kind of seen the research and you've learned? Around women in orgasm, there's at least seven and maybe nine kinds of orgasms, women are capable. Nine different times of orgasms. And I'm not going to list all nine. Yeah, I'm going to tell people who will read the book. I didn't put all the types of orgasm, that's not that book. But your EQ goes up and your stress hormones go down and your oxytocin goes up dramatically. And I've had multiple experts on the show, OB-GYNs and people who practice more on the tantric side. And it's amazing what happens in a couple and just in each person individually, when that need is met. It's as important as having a good stake. And you don't have to do it every day. But to ignore that as part of personal development, we do that at our own peril. And do you believe that having a casual one night stand with somebody can, you know, equals to having conscious sex? It depends on the person. Okay. I've had some profound experiences, but it's all about discernment. Right. And it's about communication and boundary setting. And if you're both not drunk and you both say, you know, let's do this thing. Yeah. It can be incredibly healing and profound and amazing. But only if you're both well trained and how to do that. And if one of you is like, okay, I'm just going to pretend I'm trained. But I really want to get married and have all these fun. And it can get sticky. And it won't work. Yeah. Dave, I've loved interviewing you and just going to know Dave Asprey behind Instagram and behind the books and just getting into a little bit more for personal sites. Thank you so much for coming on the show. I know you're a site to catch, so I appreciate you. Thanks for having me.