Anastasia (Beauty Fascia): Facial Fascia and Massage + Lymphatic Drainage for Younger-Looking Skin

Before we dive in, a quick note about today's episode. This conversation includes several visual demonstrations and references to technique that are best experienced on video. If you'd like to fully see what Anastasia is showing and follow along with the movements, we highly recommend watching this episode on our YouTube channel. You can still absolutely benefit from listening here, but for the complete experience, head over to YouTube. Now let's get into it. Hello, welcome to Biohacking Beauty, the podcast where we decode the real science behind aging well from your mitochondria to your mirror. I'm Anastasia Hujreimer, co-founder of Yangu Skincare. I'm Amita Eshel, just so happy to be also the co-founder of Yangu Skincare. And the co-host of this podcast. And today's conversation is one I've been especially excited about because we're diving beneath the skin, literally. Most people approach aging with products, including ourselves, creams, devices, injectables. But what if the architecture underneath your skin, the fascia, is the missing piece in facial aging? Today we're joined by Anastasia, the founder of Beauty Fascia, a method that focuses on restoring facial structure, circulation, and tension patterns by working with the fascial system of the face and neck. If you're new to her work, beauty fascia is a structural facial method that looks at how chronic tension, posture, breathing patterns, and even mouth positioning and tongue positioning inside the mouth influence how we age. Instead of chasing wrinkles, she works with the connective tissue matrix that shapes the face itself. And what makes this so fascinating is the fascia isn't just passive tissue. It's living, adaptive, and deeply connected to circulation, lymphatic flow, and even how the skin receives nutrients and oxygen. When fascia becomes tight or dehydrated, it can literally compress blood flow, alter symmetry, and accelerate sagging patterns. We are going to talk about why the neck might matter more than a serum that you're using. How daily habits like mouth breathing can reshape your face over time. There is a science of tension that predicts how someone will age, where structural facial work fits if you're already doing advanced skincare and longevity practices, and whether this approach works after 50. This episode is about shifting the lens from treating the surface to understanding the entire system. Because skin doesn't age in isolation, it ages in context of structure, circulation, inflammation and mechanical tension. And if you've been optimizing your skin care but feel like something structural is missing, this conversation is going to connect a lot of dots. And before we dive in, as usual, we want to read a listener review You want to read a listener review? 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I discovered their podcast over a year ago while searching for credible skincare voices I could truly learn from. The concept of biohacking beauty immediately hooked me. I've loved biohacking as a lifestyle and was curious how that philosophy could translate into skincare. Yangus is so far ahead of its curve. The podcast is truly educational. And I genuinely appreciate that you're not just selling products. You're sharing real skin health from the inside out. She goes on to say that she's an esthetician for 25 years, that she appreciates everything. and very sweet. Thank you so much, Karina. Really, your note touched us and please reach out to us and we'll send you a free product as a thank you. Yeah, and now without further ado. Yes, let's dive into this fascinating conversation with Anastasia and learn all about fascia. I think you guys are going to really enjoy this one. Anastasia! Hello! We are so happy to have you on the Biohacking Beauty Podcast. Anastasia, my wife has been following you for such a long time, turned me on to your material, so it's incredible to have you with us today. Yes, I'm a fan. I'm just girl fanning right now. I can't believe you're here in a virtual room with us, hopefully soon enough in the real room. So let's just dive in. I know our listeners are just halfway. Thank you guys for having me. Thank you so much. I'm excited. I do not many interviews, so it is very special. And I'm excited when two worlds meeting and getting the best of each other. That's what evolution, I think, happening in the skin and beauty industry right now. Yeah, for sure. I do think that together with you, we are redefining how you take care of your skin because we bring experts here that really show different ways. Similar to you, we're educating that there are other things that you can do besides Botox and fillers, which I'm not going to dive into right now. But people that listen enough to our podcast know that we try to give other options and modalities. so without further ado for listeners who are new to your work and maybe have never been exposed to your content what is beauty fascia as a course and as a movement what is it beauty fascia is a method that respecting the three main system of the body which is your nervous system circulatory system and myofascial system that respects and integrates them because nothing in the body gets injured alone and gets healed alone. For any injury, you need a blood flow, for anything, you need the nervous system signal, right, to do this. And ultimately, you need a tissue change. You need the tissue, right? So for this. So the beauty fascia is a respect of this tree system in terms of the beauty and aesthetic by working with the chest, neck, and face as exercises for the neck and as massage and deep techniques for the face, including with improving the functions of the face, not just smiling, but chewing, swallowing, tongue posture, and what our face was meant to do. Respecting all of the system in a simple way, it's a face massage, neck and face massage. However, the beauty fascia also respects the levels, the layers of the tissue, because fascia is what connects up starting from under the dermis, all of the body and like unravels us. There's no things in the body that doesn't really have fascia. So all of this with respect of the system and with respect of, I would say, patterns of ours. right we know some imperfections of the face that we are kind of chasing to escape and this is after realizing all of this this is what beauty fashion method is is to taking care of and people are asking me oh is the specific specific concern oriented and i'm like no it's like a general foundational check you you are starting from the bottom because from the bottom from the structural of the shoulders, of your neck length, of your neck tension of the muscles that determines the position of your face, especially with aging. So it's a very difficult, sounds complicated, but in reality, it's a matter of 20, 30 minutes of certain routines that evolve the same way you evolve and your body letting you go in. And you see incredible changes based on health of the tissue and the structural approach. As you know, put the bones where they belong, put the tissue where they belong. I'm coming, I'm a structural integration therapist, board certified. I'm coming from the school of Thomas Myers. And Thomas Myers comes from the school from Iderall, which is a structural, which is a certain, not even belief, that belief that being already proven that fascia is a beautiful organ that can remodel. And if we know how to remodel fascia, which consists of collagen, and everybody knows how it's important for our skin and how we lose it and what do we do? Do we eat it? Do we put it? What do we do with it? How do we get it back, right? So if you're concerned about collagen, think about fascia. If you're concerned about hyaluronic acid, think about fascia. This is where is the hyaluronic acid. If you're concerned, God forbid, maybe elastin, it's also fascia. Imagine all of this in the fascia. And if you are concerned about the puffiness, which is an extra fluid, you know, when the cells cannot go, it leaks. It leaks. Think about leaking, right? So if you're concerned about this, also think about fascia and the atmosphere of those lymphatic vessels that goes from up to down in our body. I love this answer. I think it's so in-depth. And, you know, for me, I resorted and started taking facial massage more seriously after I gave birth. And I think it's because like at four months postpartum, I looked at myself in the mirror and I just I felt like I've never looked worse. I had like three double, not double chins, I had a triple chin. I had so much stagnation and lymphatic fluid. And of course, there's hormonal shifts and there is also like I was breastfeeding on demand, my baby and it's like it's the postural thing. And being breastfeeding, like I had to do everything very, very natural. Right. So I and in general, that was, you know, my approach already for a really long time. I shared that on some of the podcast episodes before. and I'm curious about you what what did inspire you to get into researching this field and and creating this methodology that is you know so many people enjoy in these days uh I was 25 I was self-interest I was 25 just in general as a background uh I'm like engineer engineer you you know, programmer, like mass girl. So nothing about biology by no means. I did enjoy massages. I did take some small massage course like way, way before, you know, just to cook. It's been more like I've never thought, I've never believed in that power, to be honest. But then around 25, I'm realizing that my skin is changing. I'm doing everything. My diet is amazing. I'm working out every day. I go sun. I sometimes go cold plunge. I apply sunscreen, but my eyelids are down and down. And when you apply your mascara every time you have this mess and you're like, huh, like, where are we going with this? Like, what's like, OK, OK. You know, it's just this, you know, I'm still 25. And then I start going, of course, to some dermatologists, some cleaning. and they're like yeah it's a time you see it's already the dynamic line settling we need the botox and was i wasn't like educated but what i i'm a math girl so i'm like okay so you mean it's not for one time right it's not like i do it once and i'm you know i'll never come back she's a kid oh no you'll cover it three months i'm like so how does this sounds like a solution that sounds like if i couldn't look at myself in the mirror you know and like my life is then probably i should you know YOLO with a black label you know whatever you know if I can't but otherwise it's not a solution and that's just a line that I've never even seen before you mentioned it to me what I was asking it's about the eyelids but guess what she was like I can't do anything with her about this this is a surgery you know so great so uh so um so I guess what we're going to do nothing we i started that was a time of the that our pandemic right the pandemic time so i started looking online and going back to the massage people that were more free because they had their own schools now everything closed and mentors and researching more myofascial techniques and i started noticing that a lot of women looked amazing and they all come with their own somebody for example had a background of the dancer and had an amazing neck like and then she went to the alexander school that also respecting the neck and little by little technique by technique they somebody neck or thomas meyers the whole body the whole fascia explanation the narrow rehabilitation then i'm understanding okay hold on we also have bones need to go to osteopathy okay i watched a lot of surgery work to just understand the tissue and what they're doing and what they say how does it look as it's really hard i went through the whole structural integrator school and uh the first year i you know a lot of people say when did you see the change the the thing with the face massage first of all when i started i didn't know what i was doing you know it's something here something there but for me it was more about when it worked i was like Why did it work? Because if it worked because of something, I want to know. Because you have it all in your mind. Yeah, I want more of this. Explain me the rules. Why did it work? And then, of course, it's a lot of misinformation, for example, as like you can stretch the skin with massage, you know, like some things that I always think that fear is beat with knowledge. So you see how many surgeries were performed because they stretch the skin with a face massage? how many zero you know so come on right and uh honestly regarding the situation because i'm sure your audience have heard that and would feel you know especially when they go and look at my profile and see some techniques and they see no oil and they see oh my god reality with uh especially deep massage and why you can't stretch your skin because before stretching your skin first of all You can't really grab your skin. You know, you're going to grab also some fat, some superficial fascia and stuff like this. That's number one. Number two, the skin needs to increase in size almost like double. That's a lot. That's a lot. And number two, before skin breaks, because skin is the most adaptable organ in our body, not to break it to you, you know. That's why the pregnancy is so easy to, you know, to just like, you know. when we go diving our lungs don't just like increase just you know because she needs it yeah so skin is very adaptable right so so what happens first you want to break arteries pain nerves uh red thing and only then skin breaks it's so so so so it's almost how you cannot tickle yourself that will be very hurt i'm just saying it's a very it's a crucial pain in terms of stretching skin what we see here what we see here is not a stretch skin you know it's it's not an excess skin that our body decides why would i what to do today let's produce extra skin why not well maybe she needs it that's not how it happens yes i'm just wondering how many people are trying to tickle themselves and love right and love you cannot love because your nervous system the same way you cannot harm yourself easily unless you know that's what you're trying to do it's a little different and people need to start understanding that working with the especially with the face and i will tell you another like a big working with the face it's the fastest way to regulatory to accept the breathing let me take it back it's one of the fastest way including the breathing to regulate regulate your emotions because our face of our emotions we have facial feedback facial feedback the first thing that gets different again except some things like respiratory and you know some it's our face it's our facial emotions our facial muscles that shows our emotions by working with them we also put input into our brain so we also stabilize that so it's it's like you I don't know why nobody was really taking it serious. Maybe because beauty industry is so focusing on particular. For example, if you come and as me say hooded eyes, they're all saying two things. Excess skin, right? You have just excess skin, you need the surgery. But if you come from the, again, mass rule, there is no excess skin. There is no excess skin, right? The skin was, the body demanded that extra skin. Why? Because of the fluid or because of the position of the tissue, structural change, right? We see the people and we see the people. Can you see that the old person from the far? You don't need a wrinkle. You need a structure. You need a structure. Whether they have, if they turn their head, whether they have their glossy forehead, but if they don't have neck, you can't lie. So after seeing all of this, yes, and I'm consistently learning, consistently opening, because I see a lot of trends going tank, going different direction, going ice. I'm consistently interested in how the method is consistently evolving, evolving the same way as Pasha industry consistently learning more and more, more and more, but all good. I love that. And I think there is a saying that the highest form of learning is unlearning. And I think that's what your education really helps. Because sometimes if you just follow the standard skincare industry, a standard medical kind of like research, you wouldn't understand what fascia is and how calm massage can, like regular massage can actually really help you turn back the clock and actually like age in reverse and in order to wrap your mind around you have to unlearn a lot of things that were put in your head And with that like I think you did such a good job of like really explaining why fascia plays such an important role in aging But I know that you also have a big community and you teach people massage. And when you look at someone, at someone's face, what are you paying attention first to help them, guide them, you know, in their journey? Yes. better i first it's there's two steps like a body reading and a face reading this so the body reading and it's again this stance because you can see a lot based on even this amount of information of the person how where's the shoulders are the shoulders separate this is all superficial there is an internal deep line that when people are collapsed in the in the in the chest it sees so That's, first of all, what I'm seeing, again, collapsing in the chest just for the viewers. I'm like, okay, that's more strict. It will immediately pull your hyoid bone down. Think about this as one big tube, actually a couple tubes. One goes to your digestion, another goes to your heart. So think about it. And it's all connected here because what jaw is important? Because without jaw, we don't eat, we don't kiss, we don't reproduce. so it's all coming from here so i'm just explaining how i already bite the amount but the stomach i can already see like okay i kind of know what i'm gonna see in the profile i kind of know what what i'm what i'm gonna see here where where it's gonna go because it's gonna compensate that's number one number two i like to see what i analyze when i talk to people not like how to say it is when it's a client right when a person wants to analyze the mimic pattern you know massage is not a magic it's not if you uh lifting your eyebrows thousand times per day no i can't help you i you probably also think i can't help you like you will have the lines it's yeah yeah if you crease the the the thing every time yeah you can of course hydrate it hydrate it saturated but you know you or you can understand that this should not lift and lift and lift and lift like there is some again disconnection right if your if your hand would go up and down you would go to neurologist and say listen i think i'm a little stressed because it goes up and down and without you know i don't even see you know you would go and you would talk as a problem But for face, for our face, nobody actually considers this to be as, again, as a certain type of state of your nervous system, right? And of your pattern, what you were going through all your life, right? It's a pattern. It's a pattern that also gets recovered in the brain and wired again. So it is very important to remove. So I'm seeing the patterns. The parent sometimes is seeing a lady and she is not sad, but her parent is like this. And she will be complaining about Charles. And she's just, but something has happened. Something and that didn't happen in a day. So I'm seeing that parent and when people coming to me with a certain issue, I'm seeing where is the blockage, especially if it's a fluid related. Sometimes they all majority biggest. it's an acylobile false or like under eyes and the most the most complex area you know they're like oh anything for under eyes you're like okay let me see your neck because if you think about that even like again under eyes it goes from inside inside of your scalp it literally drains inside and it drains outside and if inside the drainage is blocked like not let's say block if it blocked you that. It's not blocked. It's restricted. You know, if it's restricted, then it's going to go this way because the way the veins there, the fluid can go both ways. So that's number one. So with jaw, important, important. Lachial plexus, lachial pterygoid, any jaw surgeons will tell you how important that area. And if they consider this as a fluid movement, they will say that, yes, the orbit is very compromised. And then here, also outside. So there are already two zones. If your jaw is blocked or if here under jaw is blocked, your under eye will be collecting it. You need to think, where is the fluid going to go? Where is the fluid going to go? Is it open there? Is it okay there? Because if it's not, it's like a traffic jam. You're going to push the car into the traffic light. Yeah. So you really help personize then the routine for your clients. and normally you practice just massage with your hands, right? Because you don't rely on the tools, am I correct? Because you just mentioned that, for example, don't use gua sha. Is it like never or is it? No, it's not never. It's not never. I just don't like when massage is being simplified to gua sha. Gua sha is a stone. It's a stone, guys. I don't know when somebody reached out to me. I think gua sha can penetrate deeper. I'm like, you think with the stone you can push deeper? Damage and stuff. Gua sha is scraping. It's not deeper. It's not about depths. It's about scraping, right? Gua sha, it's about the scraping. There is a certain angle. It's a certain depth that you're doing. Plus, again, great for lymphatic. Great for lymphatic drainage. Great for those little adhesions. Great for removing the superficial tension. great for nerves you know great for your again superficial nerves you feel better right when you it's yes yes yes yes but not everybody is puffy you are not puffy for example you're very you're very slim uh mature yes you're very petite slim woman you're not endomorph you don't need to do guasha daily because it's removing the fluid yes it's increasing of course a little bit circulation what what would be how to say it more more gift for your back if you unlock their biggest artery your carotid artery and you make uh you make the motion the whole lot of blood go in and then they will decide where it goes to the head to the skin to the to the hair right so yes good but we also need to understand that the tissue and that uh turn clock back time in terms of fascia that means that cross-linking of a degenerated collagen that one of the biggest reason why we don't have more collagen because fibroblasts don't want to build on a broken collagen on fibrosis it's like the collagen is not aligned and fibroblasts like no no more new for you but the garbage has to go so the correct pressure and massage correct load not goasha correct load can realign and give back that crimps of the collagen and of course increase the metabolic exchange so fibroblast can build and this is when i'm telling people you're going to have a new chicks i don't want you slimmer chicks i want your useful chicks new chicks but we need blood we need correct techniques we need correct pressure forget about feather touch it's not gonna go uh i mean again for nerves it's a certain certain technique for certain area for certain depths for certain goal so what is the goal with the devices i do like the device for example the cups but i don't use cups as copying why first of all i have 2.5 2.6 million people just on instagram how many weak copulars they have you know how many how many fragile copulars those people have i have a responsibility not to the because it is fragile how many rosacea we have we have rosacea rosacea really rosacea forget about for hope i forget about the cups forget about that uh what's the brush not the brush when they clean with that very famous not choleronic acid when they like dermal cleaning if you have rosacea you need to be hydrafacial you need to be very careful with a feeling right is is cups good yes for certain people so i would be like be safe do it here you know don't it's it's not it's not worth it so to offer it for everybody but i love using the cups the other end of the cup because what it's mimicking a finger so in some areas where your your fingers are tired and i know that the preciseness of your finger that you don't need because you already know you can use that cup as a so yes everything is good you give me any device i can create any any technique with anything this could be scraping give me a spoon this could be this give me uh something to press i'm also chinese medicine like a pressure you know we will press You know, like, give me anything. There is, give me just your eyes. Give me just your extension of your nervous system, which is your eyes. And by working with your eyes, I will improve the fluid and I will even improve your posture. Why? Because your eyes, it's what determines the tension of your postural muscles. So how it's, how it's like, it's like you always have something to do. You always have something to do and everything can be devised. But you need to know what are you doing it for and you need to know what's the biggest. Because when you said, oh, my face has changed when I, you know, a lot of got through a lot of changes hormone wise, posture wise, all of this. I think next generation in general needs to understand that we need to create a new hygiene for our posture because we got our phones. We got our phones. it's you know before it was when they were then a woman carried the baby for a certain time on one hip now it's everybody now it's everybody even worse it has to be a certain hygiene for taking care for at least got a big neck because besides all of this beauty uh you know all of this uh skin glow we also have in our head we also have our brain that also have a detoxification system You know, now scientists are asking why we sleep for one force of our life, because we need to detoxify our brain. That's very important that nobody really thought about it because they never really looked at that system. And that glymphatic system and lymphatic system, they are interconnected. They depend on each other, how to say it. And in terms of your beauty of your face, if your glymphatic system, which means if your brain doesn't detox well, whatever it needs, regulate your brain temperature, pressure, it will push fluid into your face. That's how it is. And it's not because I said it. It's because this is the way veins are. I'm just fluid dynamic. So fluid, you don't sleep. Everybody knows how I bags very fast, real fast if you don't sleep. So, okay, so based on knowing that, I can tell that we will improve the brain health by working on the neck, by working, by bringing a fresher blood, by first removing the metabolic exchange. We will improve not only our beauty, but the whole system. And that's why sometimes when I get that plastic surgeons before, before, before it was more plastic surgeons, bad feedback. And they're like, no, this is this cannot be this. This is cannot. And I'm like, but if we're talking in terms of health, in terms of mental health, in terms of tension, for example, masseter muscles, that is stressed muscle that are ruining the job for dentists, you know, and all of this. I'm like, what would be, what is the harm in my advice? Like, what is, what is, tell me what you suggest for, for this issue or nothing? You know? Yeah. So they're going to suggest for a plastic for your eyes, you know, going back to the origin of your journey, you know? And by the way, speaking of like the fact that we now have phones, I don't know if you've seen that on the internet, but they already showed if we don't make changes to how we take care of our posture because of the phones they showed how humans will look like a hundred years from now and we will be slouching and we will have i think like three fingers and it will be like super mobile because we're like on our phones and we're like basically gonna lose our neck it's it's so scary looking to think that the humankind is going to that direction if we don't you know take action now and yeah really correct our posture and really act thoughtfully you know around devices and which go with yeah act thoughtfully and also change something right we need to change we need to understand that what worked for 100 years ago will will not work now we need to we need to pay attention to something else otherwise yes uh double lead right because of the phone exposure, your body will adapt. Anything that's happening with the body, except the trauma, the rapid trauma, it was during the adaptation. It's during the tone and after adaptation. Let's take a second to talk about skin care during winter. Here's the part most people miss. Winter does not just dry your skin. it changes how your skin produces energy and repairs itself. When temperatures drop, trans-hidermal water loss spikes, mitochondrial output slows, and the barrier starts losing ground faster than it can recover. This is why skin becomes reactive, inflamed, and unpredictable in winter, even if your routine worked perfectly all year. Most people respond by adding a heavier moisturizer that does not address the problem. So we built a system instead. The Winter Skin Protocol is how we protect the skin when repair capacity is compromised by cold, wind, and low humidity. It is not a generic routine. It is tiered by metabolomic skin age with clear guidance on when the priority should be protection versus repair and how to adjust when travel, treatments, or environmental stress pushed the skin past its threshold. Inside the protocol, you will find structured morning and evening routines, red and near-infrared light timing, and targeted strategies for the areas that break down first in winter, including the neck, chest, and hands. If your skin becomes tight, red, or reactive every winter, this removes the guesswork. If you want to go deeper, you can download the protocol and see the full system. The link is in the episode description. Your skin already knows winter is different. Your routine should reflect that. I have one more thing that I wanted to unpack from something that you've said. You started talking about the intricate relationship between fibroblasts, which are the cells that produce collagen, and elastin for that matter as well, and fascia. And in 2018, there was a study published that showed that the fat from underneath our skin contributes, like stimulating the production of the work of fibroblasts. And the communication is happening via fascia. So that was one of the pretty recent, you know, published researchers that showed how fascia is directly affecting our beauty. can you unpack a little bit because you just started talking about collagen and fibroblasts and fascia yes of course you know thinking about fascia you need to think about this like a big big big system that gives you a structure gives you support shapes you gives you a hydration gives you a gliding between the layers give you that plumpness or the dry erasing right that's all All fascia, it's all in the extracellular matrix as a part of the ground substance. And you need to think about the fascia with its own microbiome that they just found out two years ago. Wow, I didn't know that. Fascia is on microbiome? That's what Robert Shripe has told maybe two and a half years ago on one of the researches. And when they asked him. Yes, yes, yes. Robert Shripe, I have the record. On a research. it's a very how to say still they still researching what does fascia like oh yeah we barely scratched the surface when it comes yeah it's very soon maybe they will call it not a microbiome maybe they will call it different but it has it's uh it has anti-inflammatory properties so it can be inflamed can be not inflamed so it it has an opportunity to regulate your hormones if you like will like be very harsh in uh you know in statements yes so it it it has involvement in your hormones let's put this way but of course how it cannot because your artery and your nerves and this it's they made of fascia duh you know that's like duh yes there's certain different cells that like press but if you unpack even the nerve like 70 percent of it will have that fascial component of course it communicates of course it regulates so in terms of the collagen that is more familiar in people and the elastin and fascia so our fascia are we have different layers different types and different layers of the fascia if you think about the skin not epidermis but dermis right under is a hypodermis which is our fat which is our fascia because fascia Organizes the fat Think about fat Like little things Fascia organizes Fascia makes communication Possible between the things And gives that volume And gives that structure When there is problems in fascia Could happen as adhesions It could be actually overdose Of the fibroblast When we get the scar for example Something comes in It's a collagen It's like the broken collagen that comes So this is when it's increased fibroblast activity. So it's a good, it's a... Like, for example, the radiofrequency-based devices that can simulate that, you know, bad collagen, the fragile collagen, which is basically the scar tissue, which on a scan for their studies, their published studies, they can say, oh, we produce collagen. But what is the quality of that collagen? Yes. Oh, and for the woman, they'll be like, you see, you wanted the thickness. what a great thickness inflammation enjoy it's like i love when people uh especially post right after the after right after the filler under eyes like wow my under eye uh lines are gone i'm like should we tell them even if they would involve like put anything like any saline water it's an inflammation effect of course you don't have a new bone there yeah let's go back and let's see it in year the sitting year you know this is the same as idea i understand that the whole cosmetology is based on micro trauma right on a regulatory trauma that will help so tell the body please come here please do something but again let's go back to my first rule right where it's gonna come it's gonna come from your heart from your heart from your blood flow so you tell me without looking at the posture without looking at uh what a person is going through right now right you're telling me that that person is so healthy that the body on the list of organs on the list of the problems be like face all good send it i've been waiting for this for a while i was just to say the word yeah just we are we've been we've been laying down and a little bit of heat let's send it all The same way if we eat collagen right Okay amino acids not amino acids Your collagen is going to go to your cartilage first to your knees to your type 2 The body will prioritize So this is the thing Instead of scraping, like just a little bit here, a little bit there, give me a good blood flow. Bring me that arterial blood. Remove the consistent tension from that muscles that not only pushing your superficial vessels that make just skin look bad, yeah, but also the big one, the pattern that i'm talking about that internal pattern this will be a much bigger investment in the future volume than radiofrequency because again it's a false positive result false positive result that if not even if we haven't talked a lot about lymphatic system right but if you think about fascia interplay of fascia and lymphatic system we will have more and more news soon and sooner and sooner that any uh this you know let's let's create some scar tissue here let's put some hyaluronic acid here it all contributes to not a correct function of the lymphatic of the face of the dynamic zone also you know the face it's not like a something that you put on the side and never use you know you you you can't not use it's not your you know here you do something whatever You know, like I'm not really like overtouching like your inner tight, right? You don't really touch your inner tight too much, right? You sit on your, it's just zone that is not here. It's such a dynamic zone. We have also the skin that I see a lot of people that come into me. They hoping that, you know, like when I say blood flow, they say like, oh, so skincare is bullshit. Yeah, bullshit. Yes, this is all right to us. I'm like, no, no, no, no. hold on don't throw it yet that's not that's not the correct approach yeah it's not either or right it's not either like a blood flow or so it's a skincare that maybe we don't need it i'm like no no no no no no no no no no think about your you have your face you have your outside thing that continuously changing till the day you die imagine yes in our body all over the time something breaks and something changes something breaks something changes right the age doesn't matter right because it still breaks and it still changes. When it stop changes, you die. That's what it is. So as long as we can increase that change, right? So, but with the skin, we need to protect it. It's our protective shield. Whatever we do, and we're going to do a lot of things with our face, we need to make sure that the outer layer is ready for a load, right? If you fold hydrated skin, It's not going to have a wrinkle that fast rather than when you fold dry skin, right? So, yes, of course, you need the copulars working inside and bring the blood, but you also need to protect because once that fold is settled in, that's harder and harder, harder and harder to get this. So the skincare is a protection. It's a regeneration. And together with the massage, by the way, you can even Google that when they, I think they did a study with retinoids and massaging retinoids, massaging versus the topical application without the massaging was a depth increase. It was a bigger influence. Absorption, I'm sure. So with the massage, you increase your skincare. And that's actually one of the premises of the podcast. Yes, we are founders of skincare, but we don't talk about our skincare formulation every episode. We actually bring experts that help us to give our customers... Makes us look good. We say better canvas. Because everything translates... Skincare, the way you take care of your skin is so multifaceted. We have many established nutritionists come and talk about gut health because there is gut skin access. We have people come and talk about mindfulness because there is brain skin access, direct brain skin access. So as you were saying, when you actually do perform a massage, that could be very relaxing, very good for your nervous system, and that shows up in your face. Or we have sleep experts. And yes, like in today's world, there are so many disturbances to our sleep, and they call it beauty sleep for a reason. So we try to give our listeners tools to sleep better and then their skin will function better. And then, of course, when they apply skincare products, everything's going to work in harmony. We had an expert come talk about facial taping because, again, there's so many natural, very effective modalities when done right that works together. It's never topicals alone. It's never massage alone. It's never facial tape alone. It's never good nutrition alone and yada, yada. Like you were saying, like you in the beginning of your journey, you know, you were eating right. you were working out but you needed more action taken you know added to your to complete the picture locally yes i had to take action locally i guess a lot of people the bigger picture it's the same way as hydration it's interesting actually in the school that uh thomas meyers and everybody's talk about the hydration yes like you need to drink water we all know that we our joints have some fluid type of thing we all know that we need to drink water but nobody actually telling you that that hydration will not reach this spot if the fascia has adhesions so you can drink water the water doesn't go there you know like it's it's again yeah we you know don't bet all on one we need to do all all all um all a little bit and i think it also comes to comes to with care right because every every step has to be pleasant that's what i also i don't like to overwhelm people in terms of like this this then if it's not simple enough people don't do it right and if it's not giving you don't stay consistent because you have to do it nearly daily you know to see the results especially to unravel your previous patterns right like a lot of people saying oh do i have to do it daily i'm like well now i don't do it daily if i will wake up god forbid with a brain frog of course first things i'm gonna do i'm gonna do my my techniques but I do my neck daily. Why? Because I imagine that there is like, I did it, I said it once and people love that allegory, that it's a rebirth that every time somebody brings one diamond per day, one diamond, you can go and pick it up. You can't pick it up tomorrow, but you can, one diamond per day, you can miss it. It's okay. Tomorrow also, you can go tomorrow and pick up. You can't keep two. So this is every little step. You know, I'm just jealous that today I didn't do it. Oh, my God, my skin doesn't have that extra blood that it would have had, right? I would wake up and be like, oh, you know. So work from that, work from scarcity. Yes, if you don't do it, it's going to get worse. If you do a little bit, not too much. Because, again, you're working not on the body. You're working with the body. You just do a little bit every day. once you're going to start seeing the results once you're going to see that results are actually because it needs a little time there's different techniques there are some lifting techniques that you can immediately see the result but there is a structural techniques that need fascia and fascia system needs almost any year to fully update so for example if you want your eyebrows position a little different right and that's for people is uh yeah then why endoscopic lift exists i'm like i don't know why it exists exactly why it exists and why they have to redo it in 10 years why you don't ask me that huh all blepharoplasty why they're redoing it if it works if it was just a skin chicks it's it why you couldn't figure out how to ask my body not to make it again like why you So why are you redoing it? Because it's not the issue. The issue is your structure, the changes of course within five, ten years. So let it change the way you want. You want a higher eyebrows? Let me help you tell you where exactly what's the path to the higher eyebrows. You want this? Let me tell you the path to this. But again, at the very end, it's better to go through the whole foundation. because I like how people mention in their stomach, understanding how the gut reflects on the skin, obviously, right? I'm not an acne specialist. I never tried to be one, you know. But I always say, you know, you've got to go and check there for sure, for sure. Yes, good. But phrenic nerve that goes through your diaphragm, that regulates all of this and how it's going to work, how your stomach, how's this and this, it goes through your neck. so maybe you're going to be eating well you're going to be sleeping well but it's simply your freaking nerve you were and you say you say oh why why i tell you why somebody scared you if somebody scares me right now i'll do that's a reaction one pattern one pattern two then i sit on my computer i put more into this pattern and then it's already my body's like okay she needs it there. Body starts building, building, building, building there. Who cares? The renec nerve, vagus nerve, all of this, the function follows form, form follows function. So if something is happening, it's going to function, it might function different. Yes, that's yes, of course. So instead of, again, like we need to, I love when people like to talk about all of these things because my brain thinks about, okay, but Nerves. But nerves are important. You know, if nerves are not working, nothing works. So you need to think about the body as a whole 5D system. 5D system, again, varenic nerve. All of this will not work if the person doesn't breathe correctly. If, you know, a person will have a great diet, will have an amazing massage, maybe massage will turn on a little bit parasympathetic, can't help. if the person it's it's not the blood flow the the circulation will not be optimal so all of these little parts slowly but surely needs to get changed if you want this aesthetic changes in your face aesthetic surgery that natural surgery yeah yeah i i love how interconnected everything is when you explain it and and and that like i'm convinced releasing fascia and doing massage focus on fascia will help with everything the lymphatic drainage this blood circulation and now you touched on breathing and there is another kind of area where you educate a lot and it's about like nasal breathing versus mouth breathing so mouth breathing can reshape someone's face right and how does the breathing pattern influence facial structure over time again form follows function function follows form and it has to do a lot with the with the breathing and with your is it is a nasal or mouth breathing with your under jaw tension with your under jaw tension and your under jaw is automatically think about your jaw masseter as well So, first of all, nobody can tell exactly if the person is a mouth breather or if the person has a head-forward posture and has to become a mouth breather. Because if we're all going to put our head forward and try to take a deep breath, you can't. It's hard. We're all trying it without you listening and not asking. And if you're here, and if you're like the whole tube can lift the whole chest, left, right, back of the ribs, all of the 12, that's different. That feels different. So that's number one. Number two, you cannot breathe deep with your tongue sitting low. It's just impossible. In order to take a deep breath when your tongue is on a lower palate, your masseter has to tense. your muscle there has to tense to open the airway that's that's another topic that will change your jaw will change your face but this is a mouse breathing we already know that the tongue cannot this is the pattern the hyoid bone goes down it's usually also a pull from the chest that's happening if your maxilla which is your uh your bone i have my skeletons here which is which is your maxilla which is your you can think about your cheekbone and your eyes because this is an under eyes under eyes if your maxilla this is the edges of the maxilla start don't have that support you don't use it you lose it in the body if you don't have that support that arches start collapsing collapsing it goes inwards and they're collapsing the teeth the whole teeth goes like this And this is obviously not helping the circulation under the eye. So eye bags or I usually see a blue color, which means, again, internal hemoglobin and circulation under the eyes. Then you have a problem with the teeth. Teeth will be changing. They will be too crowded for the teeth. And that's when you also clench your teeth. That's also right. You clench your teeth because your masseter needs to tense the jaw in order for you to open the airway to take a deeper breath. So it's interconnected. And tension of the masseter. Masseter is one of the strongest muscles in the body, except uterus during contraction. That's why this is where you're the strongest. Because if anyone says that, no, uterus during contraction is the strongest thing in the body, female. So masseter is one of the strongest. And, of course, it can change the position of the GI. It can grind your teeth. And if you don't have a volume here, you know how grandmas without losing the whole tooth, the whole, you don't have a load, a pressure on the bone. and once you don't have it if you don't have if you don't use it you lose it less circulation that's why the problem with botox you paralyze it cool for the skin you kind of give it a break you don't have the lines but for an internal thing you don't need blood flow don't need good circulation and now um right now they're connecting the men's epilepsy right here why this vortex of forehead oh yeah like right now if you go into that rabbit hole they will say of course because it doesn't have to move doesn't move doesn't bring blood flow especially lymphatic doesn't even have a pump if it's no muscle movement so that's that's the same no tongue placement right here this is going to be collapsing you're going to have more and more uh nasolobial folds depends on your also the jaw teeth position but teeth is a incredibly important it is also not correct people when i start talking about the teeth they're like okay so i i need to right okay bye i'm like no hold on i'm like no no no no no no no no first you can't view from this position again give me the neck give me the neck because you need to see what can prevent you from breathing people like i can't be i'm like where is the neck how does it work because you need to put yourself in a good position. Plus, I see how people doing mewing, they tense in all of the neck with all of the platysma bands. You know, this is not... I love that we're unpacking the mewing myth right now because it's been trending on my algorithm as well. Did you see the people mewing? Yeah, no. The first time I heard about mewing, I think it was in James Nestor's book, Breath. Yes, Dr. Mike Mule, the mewing. yeah yeah but what you're saying is correct it's not that mewing is good or not good it's the fact that you are you are you're trying to attach to the pyramid too close to the top and not fixing the foundation you said it perfectly and the foundation is super important because it's going to determine once you put your head there's there's at least seven muscles in a different at least in a different completely tension and a muin is great and when people say is it muin i'm like your tongue has to be on an upper palate where you want to put you know when people like uh i'm like very okay it's not like muin is it's a certain certain thing but in general if we talk where it should be your tongue is on the upper palate versus muin not muin it's you know it's muin they just say how to be done but it has to be done correctly in the correct structure but you it can change your face the same way uh you change you can change your face if you're going to start eating only smoothie for a year i guarantee you change for you your your uh face gonna change not in a good way by no means because no load so you can so what if the person starts mewing and eat smoothie who wins eating smoothie you know eating smoothie not apply not applying load on uh on the body things that you do daily the way you swallow daily the way you uh this is the way you swallow water the way you breathe the way your tongue is it's still gonna be overriding two minutes of pressing into your upper palate so when we talk to you and we need to be like it's a It's a standard position. Plus, I also think of mewing a little bit very close to the Pilatus. In terms of they are a great pioneer. They brought this to us. They brought this to us and they said, please, guys, use it. Nobody said don't change it based on new information. For example, when Pilatus, Joseph Finatus, he was creating his thing, it was during the war. Everybody is like this, straight forward. Corp straight. Look at a lot of Pilates people right now. All of them have thoracic outlet syndrome because we don't meant to have a straight back. We have a curve here. It's a normal curve. It's a normal curve. So some of the things, it's a great base. But again, based on the new little bit information, based on how we use our life, based on this and this, we need to improve it. And again, standing on the shoulders of our teachers, nobody is wrong. Nobody is wrong. We're trying to evolve this. We're trying to see how I see mewing. I see the face yoga, mewing. A lot of things, a lot of things that needs to just come and say why and what based on the systems. Like write it down. How does it work? and just see what can I do to improve, to help to regenerate, help the system to work better. That's also health of the tissue. Health of the tissue is the goal. And do you think that health of the tissue, this is why people experience such noticeable and lessen results with your methodology? Because in the end of the day, they just improve their tissue. Yes, they improve their structure and they improve their circulatory system. They improve their structure. And a lot of them, this tree system, you cannot improve this without improving this. If you look at the before and afters of my classes, you see there are sometimes women have a totally different look in their eyes. They look rest. Because if you think about why are you putting this all on your shoulder, right? Like there is a certain thing. Expressions. Yeah, there is some expression that's showing that it's a lot of stuckness inside. So it's a health of the tissue. It's just self-care. It's introduction to your face. And the most important for me, I think it's this giving back a woman independence for women, for men because we were said that only skincare and cosmetology And I saying not only this you can also take with your hands and touch it and we were said don touch it and i say who if not gonna touch your face you know i say touch it i say introduce yourself to your face and give women back the feeling of control because they felt like everything is out of their control and they just have to resort to skincare and like injectables and etc and you're basically showing them that no it's it's it's right here the control and i know how a lot of people like to be in control and speaking myself because i always say that you know no matter what happens if i'm going to be on the island i'm going to be fine if some other girls will be on the island i don't think we will recognize them very fast you know so so that's a power of empowering no but that's it's true right this is something that can be done that can be done at home and you will see the result you might even see that it's immediate and it's even good it's a compounding there is one result that immediate and there is like one result of that diamond deposit of the circulation of the uh no hypoxia no any problems with your neck because again and again i will i think we once people go right now the chinese i think did the research bypass of neck surgery that helped with alt gamer so again interesting maybe we will soon soon it's it's a very a lot of people think it's a very gentle era right in terms of like our neck so exposed so this it is incredible gentle and at the same time how's the resistible resistible that's why with the it's head on top of the neck where the neck goes the head goes so that's what i'm always if there is something that you can do just do the neck exercises because it automatically will improve your double chin because you're going to unlock the thing and face. You don't even have to like just to believe in power if you're a non-believer. You know, I had a lot of men that don't want, like, for example, increased their eyebrows. They all want some different look. They do a lot of neck exercises and their jawlines. Like that's all they do. I'm like, yes, for men, it's a little bit easier and faster to get the result due to the collagen network, especially around this area of their hair. It's more firmer than for the female. So you guys are going to benefit even more. It was created for men. Yeah, so, you know, we did a podcast. I did a podcast a long time ago. I think it was for Father's Day or something like that where I said there's no such thing as male skin care. It's a need to sell more products, but it is true that with more testosterone, you get more collagen. So I agree with you. But Anastasia, since we have limited time and it's very important for me, for us, the continuity, right? As you said, everything is a habit. You need to get the diamond every day. How can people learn and practice beauty fascia? How do they work with you? Talk about classes. How does that go? Obviously, you have a very, very, very informative Instagram page. But aside from that, how do people work with you? Besides my Instagram and people go, I always say start with 10 minutes face massage. I think it's great. It works with neck. It introduces you to the method. And in two weeks, you will look glower and snatched. So this is for introduction. If you have a specific concern, there is a specific concern videos. But if you are ready for this, the whole foundational change, because we can't fix one area. We're all one piece. Well, it's one piece. If you're ready for the foundational change step by step, it's a 30 days program. The link is in my bio. I open it once per month. You go through it twice. You go one time and then the second time more aware and more with exercises that are focusing on your zone. And you get an incredible, incredible change with this 60 days. There are before and afters on my website. And in highlights, people love the program. I love glow. I do my glow techniques. It's a video, like follow along, which I also appreciate. So it's like if you like spend time with me, you know, my jokes, it's a very, I wanted for it to be like a friend to friend. And actually, when I just started my method, a year or a year and a half, once I started getting the result, I did a little course for my friends, for my friends, for my relatives, and they got the result. But I still, it wasn't a full picture. I still had to go through a lot of education to kind of, you know, come out. And only two years after, I will start my social media page. Because I see that facial regeneration, it becomes very popular topic, but I want to ensure the viewers, I started beauty fashion, not because I did a technique and my eyebrow went up. Because I see that people are like, oh, amazing technique. I'm like, no, it came from a very, very thoughtful way of thinking of everybody because we do have little different goals. And every video is made with love. And a lot of even people who don't join my glow program, who is not ready yet, they also get the followers get an amazing, incredible result. Again, you need you just need a little time and a little try it, you know, try it. Yeah. Before you know. Yeah. I mean, I will say that I'm totally convinced I will get a new program. I went on a waiting list. Yes. I didn't get a link, but I need to check. maybe went to some or something but i've been meaning to get on your program for a while and in the meantime i am benefiting from just even watching your videos and the bits of education information that you put out like i have them in my saved folder in instagram and like when i do my facial massage i would like refer to you and even that is just so generous of you that you share that that advice and you share those techniques for free and uh we do have let's say since you said that the course is like friend to friend so now we have a friend in common we have our friend and affiliate um katie yurko that is part of your course now and she's been sharing so much about it and she loves it yes and she talks about our products too and it's just like i'm like oh i want to be there too i want to be this girl friend yeah that's good that's good we're making that community community and i love that the community grows and i'm telling you like when i just started it was difficult i had to really uh i had to fight with people i'm still sometimes that this is natural you know they're all like this is impossible and i'm how much misinformation and mistrust in our skin and in our face being put by uh unrealistic expectations people don't know how their skin texture looks anymore and uh the beauty industry and that's that's like how many how much pain i'm not even talking the young girls it's horrible for the pressure for the young girls for for all the girls also horrible pressure you know all of all of this is unrealistic and nobody gives us uh this little island of uh of i'm gonna just do it do it do it and it's gonna be a big big big big big big foundational piece this is where i'm like start now guys because in five six years the same way everybody when i show my five six years look this is not massage i'm like it's five six years of correct techniques start now start now of course two weeks difference five years difference start now don't don't don't miss the diamonds of the circulation that have been missed in terms of using it for the beauty of your face of your skin hair all of all of except the brain because if you don't do it the body will prioritize the brain and the skin will age like always do yeah for sure and on that note yeah for this podcast we want to make sure that we have a quick kind of reference quick orientation in things that come from you and the way you view the world so we're going to run through some questions and and and get your your your take on them yeah if you want you can go no no no and rapid fire question and before before we get into the rapid fire questions there was a one more question that i popped into my head because you were saying now like don't wait start now and i so agree with you and a lot of our audience is like 50 plus so that do your exercises work for let's call it mature skin you know i feel like 50 is new 30s but still absolutely yes they it works and i would say it's the biggest results in terms of wow results yeah if a woman after 50 60 sticks to the program for at least like six months of doing the exercise she can reverse like visually five ten years very easy well because it's 56 right when the 25 years old woman doing it's very hard to reverse for 10 years i am not yeah you know that's not so um i always say look at the some problems as opportunities if you're gonna unlock that that door you know that's going to be a big big change that you're going to see plus okay yes we have our hormone change yes our estrogen yes 50 yes we're tired so what we're going to do sit down like this and uh get ready for yes yes exactly like so yes it's high yes yes you're not going to be in the category of 20 years old skin i'm sorry and nobody will at 50 like that's maybe you know but let's be realistic but you're gonna feel better about yourself and what other option do you have what other option do you have because right now people say botox fillers but that's not how to say it's not the phone it's not going to change everything like what it's going to change couple lines temper filler going to give that inflammation then going to get some eye bag or somewhere like extra puffiness, not going to do anything to the lens of your neck. You know, all of the things, this is the method. And at 50, this is when you should be spending time for yourself. Already everything already is done. So now you should not feel guilty about spending 20, 30 minutes for you for sure. So there is no should be. I love that approach, right? no but what i would like somebody like that's because 50 60 is great you this is my time you know let me do it you know like i'm old enough to spend my time on my time and uh you can four months all of this it's all true and massage perhaps not gonna help to restore that and you might need to look into that hormone like therapy all of other things that you can i always you know you need that but blood flow gonna make it better whatever it is you know that blood flow gonna make it better you know there is something to be done about anything that's that's that's don't just what is not good is stopping because in terms of our skin and in terms of our facial there is no stopping it's either this way yeah or other way like we cannot be like if i stop my massage will my old face come back i'm like um actually you're gonna not like five years ago your face it will be plus five years you know that asian face like it's not gonna like either massage or we stay like yeah you're still aging in the background so if you're gonna stop it's like going to the gym you know if you're gonna stop going to the gym your old body gonna come back but it's not gonna be like five years ago it's everyone's asking in other words is this a magic pill or not like anything that you're going to do, any solution that you're going to offer a human being, first of all, they're going to be like, can I please have the magic pill? And then the journey is the fact that they understand that this is a garden that you need to maintain. Some things work better than others, like your trick with the Sprite instead of water. The flowers. But anyways, again thank you very much Anastasia thank you guys this is fantastic but now we are going to some rapid fire questions please answer them rapidly so it makes good clips for us what is the number one modern lifestyle habit aging faces the fastest bringing the head down towards your phone and sitting like a shrimp for a while it's bringing the tension into your neck muscles restricting your lymphatic flow and also structurally pushing the fluid into the areas that you don't want to have okay and that's what you do all the time yeah exactly and i want to recognize themselves a bear shrimp and now be a lobster not that now you too yeah go you know act differently okay next one face yoga gua sha mouth taping ice rolling what is actually worth doing uh mouse taping for the night if you know that you can like if you don't have a sinus issues uh or mouse taping during the day to make sure that you create that closure of the lips um ice rollers not a fan i like ice ball uh um because of just the virus guasha for some people just a little bit don't go too crazy uh face yoga such a broad term you need to understand why you're doing this the facial muscles don't grow otherwise the people that musicians would have different shape face shapes and would yeah right atlas atlas go back to atlas atlas it's a musician look at the research they all suffer with tmg pain they all suffer with facial pain it's a there is a tension that is still that uh in our face not a weakness perhaps so there's be careful with some face yoga promises and of obviously any crease that you create will you know any crease will deepen the crease oh yeah that was always like that's why i never did face yoga i just couldn't get like past the fact that i i you know keep making facial expressions that are going to settle in as lines as you mentioned okay next if someone's face is asymmetrical can structural work improve that yes absolutely if the asymmetry is not determined by teeth by teeth differentiation because but what structural work can do it can stop from it getting worse any pattern gets worse this time structural work whether it was a trauma whether you have a chronic condition where the this this and this i can help you not to get worse i might not help to reverse it especially if there is some uh some things like a teeth uh that contribute to the asymmetry or internal like artery tension, some things that we cannot like, but I can make it not look worse. And temporary create symmetry. So if it's an underline, just not to make it worse. If it's upper, then easy. Easy. If it's your mimic, easy. If it's your with a little bit, or what? I have a question that's out of the prepared questions. Now becoming popular to use things like Invisalign or other devices to to widen the space inside the mouth is it something that you would recommend or would you recommend to do it in a more in a more kind of natural way with breathing etc or both uh i would say both if you trust your the dentist i would recommend go to the gnatologist it's a certain person it's a certain dentistry that respecting the cmj because for any time you talk to me anytime i see first of all for people like when they talk about this chewing gums right for the jaw have you heard of that that's bad that's ruining your cng joint so in terms of uh in terms of the any palate expanders did the doctor looked as is this safe for you right is this is where you want it to expand right because if you expand the teeth it's it's a very it's it's not something that you just take some piece and it goes and you're good you know no it's not like this i would rather recommend doing the tank exercises uh doing the osteopathy light techniques this is and just taking every breath and every sip that you take with that pressure but if you have a dentist with a respectful then yeah that it's it's good it's good it's good it's good it's good it can help a lot but you need to okay final question what is the biggest mistake people make when starting facial work on their own um then don't they don't work with neck enough they don't work with neck and with the under jaw people are running to work on the facial tissue and not realizing that besides face, you have the scalp, the neck, and it all determines how the face will be reconstructed. So that's one of the biggest mistakes. Anastasia, listen, we're going to sign up for your course. We're signing up for your course. We will let people know how well we're doing, et cetera. Yes, we're not going to share the exercises because I'm sure that's, what's the word, like PI, personal, intellectual IP. Intellectual property. We'll share the results, right? Share the results. Share your experience, how you do the exercises. It's a very, again, very interesting insight that people discover when they start working with the face. I think the face, it's not something you could put in the pants. So face has a lot of information about you. and you will be surprised that there are some certain points with a lot of pressure and you will be surprised how reliefing you're feeling afterwards within the whole body when something gets unlocked from here. Well, Anastasia, listen, this has been a great podcast. I was so happy that I could close my mouth a little bit, put my tongue in the right position and listen to you to talk. It was great. Awesome. Yes, thank you so much for your time and we hope maybe you can come back and wait on to part two. Yes, well, there's more questions. Thank you guys. It was a pleasure talking to you and we'll stay in touch. I'm looking forward to see you in GLOW class, doing exercises and getting amazing results. Okay. Thank you. Bye everyone. Thank you. Bye-bye. Thank you.