welcome to a new special series called the bathroom break that extra 10 minutes you either have to listen to marketing tips or use the bathroom or both but i don't recommend both but that's your choice this collab is going to be super fun we have daniel murray from the marketing millennials and me jay schwettleson from the do this not that podcast and subjectline.com Each episode in the series, we are going to go over quick tips about different marketing topics. And if you want to be in the bathroom, fine, just don't tell us about it. Thanks for checking it out. We are back with another bathroom break. I'm here with the Jay Swettelson. And I have a question for you, Jay. something that i've noticed over the like last year is you seem to get food poisoning more than the average person so what are some tips of avoiding not getting uh food poisoning because yesterday jay got food poisoning right two months ago he got food poisoning before he's tripped he got food poisoning i don't know how he keeps getting food poisoning well first of all i want everyone know i wash my hands because i'm about to get like slammed the comments like i'm disgusting or something like that uh i do wash my hands i i think i need to be more focused when i'm ordering food from somewhere or getting food from somewhere because i'll get like weird fish from places that are not known for like you know fish or something and so or on a plane oh i had the funniest story about that oh what do you got um when aru was pregnant uh we were saying oh hey let's get you more salmon because it's good it's omega-3 so we ordered salmon from a thai place and why would you order salmon from a thai place it's stupid and it came and it smelled she she was eating it and we're like freaked out because it's like beginning of pregnancy she starts eating it and she after like five bites. She's like, this tastes disgusting. It smells off. Something's wrong. And I'm like, why did you keep eating it? And I freaked out. So we called her dad and said, what should we do So we threw away the salmon and he like no fish it out of the trash and put it in the fridge just in case it was contaminated so you could take it out and go get it tested So we saved this fish, disgusting fish in a fridge for a day to wait and see if Ari got sick. It was terrible. So Ari disgusting fish is not a good idea. It's terrible. Wow. And saving it is never something I would ever recommend. But maybe saving this episode is worth saving. What a transition. So what we want to talk about is some small nuances that actually are radical game changers right now in marketing performance that I'm sure everybody's sleeping on because I wasn't even aware of some of this stuff until recently. So I'll drop one first and then we'll go. So forever, listicles have been crushing it, meaning the seven things you need to know about this, the five biggest fashion trends for this, the nine HR rules you need to know. and everyone's also saying listicles are so great because of ai because ai loves picking up listicles but there's a nuance now that uh is a little bit different of what ai is looking for to show up in the ai search results and also it's working to get your emails opened and clicked on and consumed whether you're a business or consumer marketer and that is focusing on the absolute best meaning that instead of saying the seven whatevers or the nine whatevers it's saying the top three the number one or the best whatever so the best solution for hr software the number one option for billing whatever the top three fashion things you need to know as long as it's top three number one or the best uh that is actually what's pulling exponentially higher on the ai platforms and that's actually what's working better in email so it's it's like listicle within a listicle and so if you're just playing the old playbook of listicles you're actually not doing the thing that's actually working better than anything else right now from all the testing that we're doing. I'm going to add one about AI too. I had another one, but I'm going to add this one. One thing that I always was anti is when it comes to writing is using AI to do a lot of the writing, writing part of the writing. And what the nuance I want to say is if you're writing an article or a deep article about a topic, what you should be actually doing is going on like perplexity and Claude and ChatGPT looking at what is pulled into the resources and use those resources in your article so you become a source of what these ai models want to see is that you you helping curate the internet for them so if you write a good article and add this source this source this source it actually is seen as okay this is actually a valuable source this person helped me curated a bunch of links and they came up with a new perspective and actually a great way to write. So don't, when you go into writing, use it as a resource too and find links that perplexity is pulling up, chat GPT is pulling up, clause pulling up and put it in your article. So I love that one. And then, and it's literally is the smallest thing to make a difference. And even if it's something that like you thought was a certain way, I'll give you an example. And then you had almost retested again. And one of those I'm seeing in my newsletter, my email newsletter. So my email newsletter and newsletters across the board forever, I used to even tell people, don't put the addition in your subject line. Don't be like, you know, the name of my newsletter is Scoop. Don't be like Scoop number 22 and then write your subject line because that was like a waste of real estate. It would perform terribly and just focus on whatever the topic of your newsletter is all about. So what we've done, though, in the last two months, we've been testing head to head using addition, saying the addition like scoop number 12 and then the subject line versus just saying the subject line. And the one where we put it in brackets, we write scoop number 12, we put it in brackets, and then we put the subject line. The one where we're saying the addition with the brackets, the open rate is about 20% higher than the one that just has the straight up subject line. So that is a tactic I used to tell people to avoid like the plague. And now, now it's working incredibly well. I think that's a great one. I think I've tested in the past and I've know people go back and forth on what if that's actually a good tactic. But I like that it's actually working. And I think why it works is people want to go back to certain additions and they can reference certain issues. And then also, I think it works very well if you have something that's very topical or relevant for that time. Because if it something brand new every single time and it newsworthy every single time people want to know okay this is number three This is the fourth tip This is five and stuff So I like that you using it and I going to test it on another newsletter because my newsletter is not going to be I don know how many additions I done It's like four billion additions. So wait a minute. I'm just curious about something. So like, do you normally, like if you eat something at home and you're like, oh, that's gross and you throw it out, do now customarily? just because you did it once. Do you take stuff out of the garbage on a regular basis now and put it in your refrigerator? I'll give you the reason. Ari's dad is an environmental lawyer, and he's seen some crazy, toxic stuff. And he is very also risk-averse of a lot of things that go to... For example, I think three times a week, I get food recall text messages or email from Rory's dad. Today I got a cottage cheese recall. And me and Rory did not eat cottage cheese, but I got an email that says cottage cheese been recalled. So he is a freak when it comes to that. So when we told him, he said, save it so it could get tested by the lab if you do have this to see what bacteria it is. That's hardcore. That's crazy. No, I've never saved it again because it was stinking up my fridge for a whole day. It was the worst idea I've ever had. All right. Well, that didn't work out. Well, but neither did this episode. Neither did things worked out. But we appreciate you being here. Listen, give Daniel a follow, the Marking Millennials follow, Do This Not That podcast, and put stinky fish in your fridge. Do it. Why not? Daniel, come on, man. I got to get back to work. Get out of there. All right. While he's still in there, this is Jay. Check out my podcast, Do This, Not That, for marketers. Each week, we share really quick tips on stuff that can improve your marketing. And I hope you give it a try. Oh, here's Daniel. He's finally out. Back from my bathroom break. This is Daniel. Go follow the Mark and Millie podcast. But also tune into this series. It's once a week, the bathroom break. We talk about marketing tips that we just spew out. And it could be anything from email, subject line to any marketing tips in the world. We'll talk about it. Just give us a shout on LinkedIn and tell us what you want to hear. Peace out. Later.
