4.20. The Colt and Cocodona Episode

What's up, everybody? It's a brand new episode of Nobody Asked Us with Des and Kara presented by Brooks Running. Hello, Des. How are you? Hey, I'm good. How are you? I'm good. I just noticed that your login name changed. I did. So it was 1kg when I logged in today. Yeah. Yeah. But then when I, when we just re-logged in because your mic was given a little bit of trouble, I saw that I could change it. So I don't know how that got on there, but I just took it off. Nice. Back to KG. Rotating name. That was funny. 1kg in the house. Good nickname. I don't, I don't even know how it happened in so many people last week. I will shout out so many people left funny comments on my Instagram post about like, yeah, 1kg. You have like a full nickname. I love it. That was great. How are you? I, so you have been traveling like crazy, but you have been home for over a full week in the same spot. I know. It's been great. How has that been? It's good. It was, I'm like almost getting bored, but I have a lot to do, so I shouldn't be. Yeah, it's been nice to be at home. Dogs are happy. Not much going on. I finished up my downtime, went for a run on Sunday. How's that? You know that ratio of like time to gain fitness versus how quickly it leaves? So unfair, so unfair. Like huffing and puffing around with Ryan. I was like, it's like mild two. Are you okay? Not really. You know what's crazy about you though? You could be back in shape in like three weeks. You get in shape so fast. No, you do. Like if they were like, hey, do you want to come on the New York mini? I'd be like every year I'd be like, yeah, that's so fun. Like it's such a great race. I really want to be a part of that thing. And then like I would just be completely out of shape. Like the first mile they'd run like 447. I'd be like 520. Like this was a mistake. But by full marathon season, I would come around. Yeah, you'd be crushing it. That was always that was a fun thing that I would do mentally. Like whatever I did at the mini, if I could run my last 10k at New York marathon faster, that was a success. That's awesome. I love that. That's pretty pathetic. That's how bad the mini was. Yeah, that's amazing. Okay, wait. I never ran. I ran it. No, I never ran it. I was going to run it while I was pregnant with Colt, but like I was having all this like weird back pain. So I just ran the last like 100 meters with Paula and her daughter. Turned out I had a sacral stress fracture. But that's just best you set that one out. So it's probably good. Yeah. I'm curious, what does downtime look like for Deslinden? I mean, we know that you're working on a book, but like what do you do physically? Do you just do nothing? Do you just walk the dog? Like what does it actually look like for you? I do nothing for the most part, which is great. I think my hips are a little out of alignment because I've been sitting on the couch and leaning to one side quite a bit. So I need to get up and walk around a little bit more. I think I kind of feel like, and I'm sure plenty of people disagree with this, but distance winners, professional distance winners are pretty lazy. Yeah, like we run and then we recover and not doing much sitting around is like, well, I was recovering. Yeah, I'm really good at that. But that is a skill, right? It's a skill to be able to like not necessarily in your downtime even, but like be able to come home from a workout and just relax. Yeah. And not feel guilty. If you're like, no, I should be doing something. Be like, nope, actually, I'm going to just lay here and watch Netflix or I'm going to take a nap. Like that's actually a huge part of being a good professional athlete, but not everybody can do it. No, or you can like get, I think, ideally, you're busy doing other things that are productive, but like ass and C, you know, like I sent out like so many expense reports and, you know, voices and I was like, oh, wow, I haven't done this in a really long time. Send, send. So I was catching up on a lot of stuff. Let's talk about expenses because I did a bunch this past week too. And I was complaining to Adam, I have to do all these invoices. I don't want to do it. I don't want to do it. And then he was just like, just do it. And it seriously took me like 30 minutes. Not a thing. That's pretty good. And I was like, why do I build it up in my head? Like it's going to take days. Yeah. But no, mine took days. Mine took like a day. But I literally had when I was procrastinating on since, I think. Early February. Oh, OK. Yeah. And I was like, I had like all the things are like all the images of like receipts and everything was piled in one spot in a folder. But I just had to like put it on the invoice and then send the receipts. And I was like, oh, my God, it's going to take forever. It didn't take that long, but it was so annoying. Why is that such a mental battle? It's such a battle for me. I'm like, I don't want to do it. I have to do my expense. I'm just like, I'll do it tomorrow. I'll do it tomorrow. And then like three weeks will go by. And when I finally do it, it's not that big of a deal. It's not like, yeah. Or I think the other thing too is I'm just like, some of it feels like nickel and diming and I'm like, this, this, this, that's it. That's all I need. I was going to eat anyways. So it's fine, you know, which is fine. I think that's probably the right move anyhow. Yeah. But it is a pain. It's like, it's just such a like tedious, like busy work task. It's just stupid how I let it hang over my head, though. When I do it, I'm like, oh, and I'm done. So anyway. Okay. So you did some expenses. You lounged around. You got dog time. Are you, but your hip is feeling weird. Uh, no, my hip feels good. Out of whack. No, I do think, I just think I sat on the couch a lot. And then I did my first, because I said my hip was really tight during London. So I was a little worried about that side and like the adductor quad type area on the right side. And then I did my first run yesterday and like right underneath my knee. I guess probably like teller tendonitis is my guess, but like that hurts really bad. So I took like 10 steps today and I was like, I don't know. I don't know if I could do this. Um, I got in four miles and it still hurts really bad. So I'll probably just see somebody. You need to see somebody because it's probably coming from like your TFL or something and it's coming down and attaching underneath there. What's a TFL? Do you feel like I'm wrong? Right now. It's probably coming from your tensor fascia. Lada. Wow. Dang. I was going to say like, that's really what it's called. But it sounded right. Somewhere in my quad seems really tight and it's a. You need to get all that stuff worked out. I had a listener reach out to me and be like, I'm just going to get DES. Like I'm just going to buy her bodywork. Do you think she'd use it? No, I used to get free bodywork. Well, not free, but like limited like coupons for bodywork on the Hanson's team. And I would like never use them. So if the person's cool enough, maybe. Okay. So we need to find you a super cool massage therapist that you want to hang out with. Good luck. Okay. Okay. Challenge accepted. What'd you get up to? You had a good weekend. Oh, let's dig in. Yeah, it was a busy weekend. It was a busy weekend just basically being a mom. Colt had his. So they have a, I think I've explained this, but it's just a descending order list in Colorado to get into the state meet. So they just have a just this descending order list and the top 18 get in. And they had until. Yeah, there's five divisions and he's in five a, which is the biggest division, but they still have the same amount of people. I wish they had more because there are so many more kids, but that's besides a point. Okay. So they have a descending order list and so, and they have five divisions and it's 18 and everything, 18 relays, 18 individuals, just 18 across the board. And so he had run last weekend and had improved his time, but actually fell further back in the rankings because other kids had run so fast. So it's like literally down to the wire, right? Like Saturday was the last day you could get a mark. So he taken to this meet Friday and we're, and he is looking at, he has to PR by 12 seconds, right? I mean, it's a second and a half a lap. It's not like an easy task. And Adam had gone to the meet earlier cause he's one of the coaches and I'm driving him out there and I'm like, how are you feeling? And he's just like, I just got a full send it. I mean, like either I go to state, like either I do it or I don't, it doesn't change anything. Like either I do it and somehow I pull it off and I get to go to state or, or I blow up and I'm in the same position I'm in right now. You know? So I was like, okay. And then I was just like trying to tell him like, you can do this. Like just don't be afraid when it gets hard. Like it's going to get really hard around lap six and don't be afraid of that. And he was like, yeah, yeah, yeah. So anyway, he goes out there. Yeah, I got it. I'm just like, oh gosh. So he basically needs to run like 70.5 ish to get in, which is a big stretch. And he's running and he's in the back and then he's kind of moving up, but he's like nailing the splits, right? Like he comes through the mile and four 41 and he keeps moving up, moving up. And then with like, and he looks good, but I'm just like, he's running out of his mind and I'm just like so scared that the wheels are going to fall off, you know? And then I'm watching with a friend and she's like, he's doing it. And I was like, I actually can't watch anymore. And so the guys in the lead start running 72s. And he catches up to the lead and I'm like, oh, this is going to be so close. I have a stopwatch. I can't see the finish. Anyway, he takes the lead with a lap to go. Then they blow by him, right? But he's hanging in there, hanging in there. And I run around to the side and we knew it was going to take sub 927 to get in. And that could get bumped because there was a bunch of races going on that day in the next day, but we knew it had to be sub 927. And I have him at 926 high. And I don't know if I got it or not. You know what I mean? Like I don't know I could be off. So I'm like, shit, like I don't. And then I'm like prepping myself like he just ran out of his mind. Like you have to celebrate this no matter what. And then I get over there and Adam and the head coach, Ryan, Ruder, like celebrating and they're like, you ran 925, 00. And I'm like, you did. And so then he comes and we're all celebrating. And then it's like the worst because then it's like, OK, well, you just ran out of your mind, you did everything you could do. And now we have to wait 36 hours to see if someone bumps you. Right. Dang. So was he able to celebrate? Was he like, this is awesome. I'm just happy with my time. Or was he like, yeah, when I drove him home, I'm like, we are celebrating this no matter what, like you just ran out of your PR by 13.5 seconds. You bet on yourself. Like we're celebrating this. And he was like, I know, I know, but he was like, I don't want to celebrate till I like, I just want to know if I'm going to state or not. And then we will celebrate, but I don't like, and I was like, OK, that's fair. So this is why it's the worst system. So the next day he has the four by eight. And we, there's two, there's a bunch of 3,200 throughout the day, but there's two kind of big ones where he could possibly get bumped. So the first one happens while we're still at home. He doesn't get bumped. We drive out to this meet where he's going to run the four by 800. And we're watching this race. And one of the kids in the race is the nicest, one of the nicest kids you'll ever meet his name. I'm just going to say his name. His name is Toby Wong. He runs up Boulder High. He's a senior. He's been so freaking nice and encouraging to Colt. And he's running. And I'm having this like horrible confliction because I want Toby Wong to make it to state because these are really nice kid, but also he's going to bump my kid, right? So I'm like, this sucks. I'm like cheering for him, but also like, please slow down a tiny bit. This is just like the worst. Like I just felt like this is the worst situation. So anyway, it becomes clear that he's, he's going to just miss the time. And so I'm like cheering for him super loud and I'm like relieved, but also like feel bad. Anyway, Colt survives that race. And then by the end of the day, we're at the meet basically all day and we get word at the end that like his time survived. And so that night he was super excited. And then we, he was like going to bed. He's like, it's finally real. Like I'm going to state, but then the other part was that his four by eight ran. And we thought they had to run sub 806 to get in and they had run 813. So they run on Saturday and Colt's running. And I'm, and he is lead off leg. And I'm like, oh man, he looks so tired. Like he just looks so tired. And he's kind of behind. Um, but he ends up running a PR. He runs 204, five. And then he hands off to Ollie and Ollie just runs out of his mind trying to close the gap. Maybe he goes a little bit too hard, but he runs his best. And then he passes off to this kid named Dez. Yeah. And Dez runs a seven second PR runs too flat. And he hands it off to Rory and Rory runs 158 and they run 804. And we are going crazy. Okay. We are like going crazy because we're like, they had to run sub 806. They just ran 804. And this is the highest of the highs and lowest of the lows. Like we're all celebrating and this coach comes over and he goes, you guys are actually 19th. There was a meeting yesterday. You had to run 803 to get in. Come on. Oh, it was so brutal. It was so brutal. So they ended up 20th and only 18 get in and they didn't get in, but they ran so amazing. And I was just like, so bummed because the other three kids were seniors and they've never been to the state track meet. And so I was super bummed for them, but honestly, they ran out of their minds and they couldn't have done anything more. So it's like, but it was just like, we are so crestfallen. Like we're all celebrating and we're like, so excited. This coach goes, actually, you guys are 19th and I'm like, what? It's like trying to get your BQ and they're like, well, actually. Yeah. See, this is why people hated us because this is exactly what we're talking about a moving target. Yeah, but you have to wait a year to find out. Yes. Yes. So that was actually really sad, but the boys were happy with how they ran. Like they couldn't have done anything more. And then yeah, then we were at the meet watching because there were some other kids that were on the bubble. And so we stayed to watch them run. And then that night cults like it really feels real. And then yesterday we finally actually celebrated like you're going to state. And so he races Thursday morning at eight 30. He's probably going to get last, but that's okay. He could I'm hoping he can run another. Like he's not going to get in. He's probably not going to get it. He's probably. Okay. But the crazy thing is Colorado, like there's so many good kids here. Like half of the field that the Brooks PR meet in the two miles are Colorado kids. Yeah. Like Colorado is really good. I know he's good. He's going to do great. And he goes, I just don't want to get last night. Go if you get last two freaking cares, you're at the same fresh. You're the best. Yeah. You're at the state meet. And he's like, you're right. You're right. He's like, but I'm going to snipe someone. I'm going to get 17. So he made it. And so it was a long weekend of being so nervous and like awkwardly rooting against other kids, which I hated, but I'm super happy for him. He took a chance on himself and shout out to his coach, Ryan Root, because Colt was like determined to run the mile this year. And Ryan saw something and two and a half weeks ago, he moved Colt to the two mile and it was a great race, but it was 943. It was nothing that showed he could qualify for state. And Ryan just kept putting him in there and Ryan knew he could do it. And so it was awesome. Does he like the two miles that like his thing now is there. I remember just feeling so long. It's like, yeah, he really likes it, but he, he, you know, he wanted to be a Mylar Exalvus like idols or mylers, but I'm like, you can still be a Mylar. Like you're going to get stronger. You're going to train more, you know, you're going to get stronger. Like that's one thing we've noticed. Like even in this two race, this race two weeks ago, he took the lead because it was slowing down and then they just blasted him. And I'm like, that's just because they have so much more training under their belt, they're two or three years older than you. Like that's going to come and that'll come in the mile too, you know, but he would have had to run 417 to get into the mile up here at elevation. And that was not going to happen. So Ryan was smart to pivot to the two mile. Nice. So yeah, we're going to state or he's going to state. It's exciting. That's awesome. And that's Thursday. Okay. Thursday at 8 30 in the morning. Like, that's aggressive. That's a final. I know, there's, I know, but you know what? It's probably good because it's like 83 today. Well, it's like so hot. Yeah. Like what's crazy is last Wednesday, he didn't have school because we had a massive snowstorm. So we had a snow day. I know. And then today it's like 85 and it's going to be in the mid to high 80s on Thursday. So honestly, it's good that it's early in the morning, like just get it done. But he's like, it's not even that cool. Like I'm going to go back to school and I'm like, yeah, you are. You're going to go back to school. That's insane. Like, no, I get to stay off. I hate to stay. No, he's got, he's only has a week and a half left to school. He's going to have to go back. But anyway, he's crazy. The fact that school is almost out. He's almost done being a little freshman. I know, I know. He only has a week from Thursday. He's out and then he'll be a sophomore. So this year's flown by. How's your you go? Are you guys going to put together a family band? Absolutely not. I love to play the ukulele by myself. And then I like, I really enjoy playing it. It calms me. It's better than scrolling my phone, but I'm terrible. But I do sing by myself. Colt and Adam will have a battle of the drums and whoever loses has to be the singer and then you have to play the band. Well, Colt can also play the guitar and the piano. So Colt, he could, he can get bumped out of drums. Oh, OK. He's like a weirdly skilled musician. Like he can just pick up. So he can play the trumpet too. He's weird. Yeah, impressive. I know when he wanted to quit band, I was really upset because I was like, you're good at it and you can play so many different instruments. And that's like a skill that like I would love to have. And then we took a family vote and Adam was like voted in favor of Colt. He was like, he's old enough to make his choices and I voted. No, you have to do it. So I lost, but. Sorry, so you must keep playing the didgeridoo. It's just like, dude, you're good. Like you should keep doing it, but we could pick it back. It's fine. I lost. He still plays though. So that makes me happy. OK. All right. OK, well, you got state. We can move on. We'll get an update next week. Yeah. State Thursday. That'll be exciting. Is he the only one from his school going or does he have other. Then so he is the only boy going and then they have a girl who is I think ranked number one in the state in the 400 and maybe first or second in the 200. And she was ranked third in the state in the 100, but she scratched it because all the prelims are on one day and all the finals are on another day. Yeah. And she's only a sophomore and she's amazing. So she's going to state and then they have a couple of high jumpers to both girls. You have a good high jump coach. They have a high jump coach. Yeah. It's like, yeah. And they they're they're good. That's wild. Yeah. So, you know, not that many kids considering what a big school they are, but a small but powerful little team. And I guess the girls have a chance to place that state based on their because they're yeah, just because like Lily will get a lot of points and then their high jumpers are really good. And maybe one of them also triple jumps. And so I think one of them also does the triple. So between them, they have like a really good chance of scoring some legit points. Yeah. Okay. All right. So you'll be cheering for the teams. We chose for Colt. Yes. Review it is. All right. Okay. That's exciting. So we'll keep an eye on that on Thursday. Thursday, eight thirty. I'll be a nervous rat, but I won't be as nervous as I was last week because like, yeah, that was a big one, you know, sort of like it's Icy on the cake. Right. Yeah. It's like his Olympic trials. Yes. Yeah. Now it's just like, go have fun and get some good experience. Yeah. Yeah. Love it. Okay. Yeah. All right. And you did some running. I don't even, I hate to even pivot. Do you want to talk about this? You want to table it until you have some more material under your belt for your own running? Oh, well, you're going to bounce back really well. Yeah. I know I've been running a lot more and it's been really fun and I've been excited. I've been sharing it on social and I was in DC on Wednesday and I ran. I just like started the race and then I hopped in and it was really fun, but it was all on pavement and it was a little raining, which so the surface was a little slick and so I really like felt my dystonia, which I haven't felt it that bad in a while, but I kind of was like, oh, it's just circumstantial, like all of the people and the rain and the slick roads, but it's kind of been bothering me since then. And honestly, so I ran today. I had this great idea. I was going to run 13 miles. I was going to do it like faster than my 12 mile run and it just was not happening. Like it was a struggle from the beginning. I had a hard time getting comfortable and it was just a bummer. It was sort of like, I mean, the good news is I was like strong enough to run 13 miles, which I couldn't have done in the last few years, but the bad news was it kind of felt like normal dystonia, but I'm staying positive because I was supposed to get Botox Thursday and it wears off. It wears off after three months. And so it's wearing off and I was supposed to get it Thursday, but then call call five for state. So I had to get a new appointment. So now I'm getting at the end of the month. So I'm like, I think that I think that's a that's what's happening is the Botox is wearing off and maybe I've just been pushing also a little bit too much. So maybe I back off for a week or so. Maybe two weeks. Yeah. And then I know I'm like, I don't know. It'll be interesting because you're still competing, but it's hard to like get like a little taste of fitness and then not just like be like, okay, well, now I'm going to go a mile further and go 10 seconds a mile faster. And I'm going to go a mile further and go 10 seconds. You know what I mean? It's just like, so anyway, it didn't go well today, but I survived it and I'm not, I'm not upset. I'm annoyed, but I'm not upset because I feel like there's a reason why I was also just neurologically stressed out of my mind the last few days for Colt too. Yeah. It's been a lot of in the line. It's fair. Yeah. There's been a lot going on. So I'm not stressed about it yet. I'm like, you know what? I need to just back off for a couple of weeks, get the Botox and reset. So that's where I'm at. Okay. No fitness is building in. It's like, it's not like you're injured. It's like, no, I'm not just put me out for whatever. It's just like, okay, a little pause. Yeah. A little pause, let the system reset. It's not like I'm not going to run, but I'm not going to try to do another aggressive long run until I feel a little better. Probably. I'm giving you a face because we'll see. We'll see. That's like me. I'll get body work if you actually stick to that. I'm not going to get an appointment because I call bullshit. I mean, that's probably fair. I probably will try to do something next week. Okay, fair. Same day. Same time. Okay, let's let it out. Let's move on to a lot of running that happened over the last week. Yeah, which I'm really curious to hear your thoughts. One race so much running. So much running. Okay, this is called Kokodona. Is that how you pronounce it? Kokodona 250, yeah. Okay, so were you following it really closely? No, not really. I, my, my buddy Joe, Brooks runner Joe McConaughey, was running it. So I'd been following his training, have heard of the race before, heard it's a fun time, kind of a crazy scene. And then watched a little doc on Ryan Sands, who was out at MDS with me, who did, I think, either last year or the year before. And Solomon put out like a fun, like it was a really good story on Solomon TV. Go check that out. And that was kind of my experience level with it. So yeah. Okay. How about you? Are you avid Kokodona follower? Is this the first time you really gotten into it? I legit didn't know how it was pronounced until you said it on the pod last week. But I could not open my social media without seeing updates, which was pretty cool. Right. Like I got roped in and the women were doing so well. So then I was kind of like, well, is Rachel going to pull this off? And is Courtney going to come back? And like, what's happening? So I got roped in. But honestly, like, I feel like this is a race for Deslinden. Like Courtney DeWalter was posted a thing maybe yesterday about like how it was her second attempt at it. And last year she had to drop out, I think. And she was talking about like how it did not go smoothly. Like all of these things that went wrong, like not feeling well, and then like really needing to sleep and like taking a two hour nap. And then she got veered off course and ran extra miles. And actually I don't even think she put that in her write up, but I know that happened. And I was just like, this sounds so fucking hard. Like, oh my God. And then I was like, Des would probably be really good at this. Sleep deprivation is not for me. I can't do it. But you were just sleep deprived the whole time you were at MDS. No, but that's like three days of no sleep or like, you know, you're sleeping in the dirt for like 10 minutes. Would they say Rachel had 17, 19 minutes of sleep? Yes, that's it. I can't do that. And like people legit hallucinate, like sleep deprivation will fuck you up. Like if you're like, you'll see things and like it's like worse than like being drunk. Like if you were to do a test between drinking and driving or like not having slept, like you would perform worse and not on no sleep. That's crazy. Yeah. I mean, I'm not going to lie. Nobody, everybody looked pretty bad coming in. Like they just looked so exhausted. Do you think they come out of it and look better? Do you think you just like permanently turn to that age? Like you lost like, I'm like this now. I think they just need a good recovery period, but it's super impressive to me. It doesn't make me wonder like, could I do that? It's not like that kind of thing. But it's just like, like you have to just be willing to go to such dark places to do something like that. So I was following along on social and getting updates on like threads and on Instagram. And it was just fascinating. It was just weird. Do you think that's like, I feel like the media coverage and like the kind of stories that came out of it afterwards were so big and obviously because Rachel won overall, that's a bigger story. But for some reason, it feels like there you can tell longer. Obviously you can tell longer stories and maybe those captivate people for longer periods of time. And then that kind of creates a snowball as the events going on. Like, do you think this is the future of distance running? Is this the stuff people want to see? Like, I feel like it has this cult following right now, but they're super dedicated. And those influencers have so much influence that people are like. And the performances were incredible, but it's almost like the performance athleticism running is almost backseat to like, oh, this is the craziest shit I've ever seen. I need to do that. Do you think that's a shift that we're seeing? Or are you? No. I do think that there is an obsession with doing more and crazier stuff. And like, I definitely saw it more in like mainstream media than any other event, maybe obviously sub two, but in the marathon. But it seemed like it picked up a lot of steam all over the place. Like a lot of outlets were talking about it. But you or Chris sent me some Instagram posts and like the amount of cameras on these athletes was insane. And I just kept thinking I'd be so fucking annoyed if I was coming into a quick rest stop and I understand like they know it's going to be there. Taking about 10 minutes of sleep. Like, I was like, shut up. I'd be like, shut the fuck up. Like they were like just so many people and they're trying to change their packs and they're trying to change their shoes or whatever and all these cameras and lights in their faces. And I guess I kind of am wondering like, does that annoy them? I mean, maybe not. Maybe they're used to it. But I was a little taken back by how many cameras and content creators there were. I feel like it's it's going to be a thing that trail has to kind of wrestle with and probably solve for very soon because everyone has their own team and everyone has, you know, like their own crew. Obviously you get on trails and there's just not that much space anyway. But we have like the barriers in the marathon. So even that's kind of getting bigger where it's like, you know, there was a bunch of people who brought their camera teams to the start at Boston and they're like, no, out the fuck out. Like you don't have access here. Be gone. You know, there's like a very hand like people who may be negotiated in. And it was like, yes, you're one person can stay. The other four of them you brought need to go. So that's like really well regulated. I think in trail, it's just the wild bless, which is cool because they're putting out a bunch of really fun stuff. But it's like it's only a matter of time before someone just like trips over a camera person, cracks their face and then it's like, OK, we need more rules or boundaries, I think. Yeah. Yeah. It was just interesting to see because they're just like swarming the athletes, right? Like they're coming into these stations, they're just getting swarmed. And I just know, like for me, I would be like back up. But I'm maybe they're more used to it and they're used to having people follow them around and get all the content. I mean, the content is cool. But I was just like, wow, you're running 250 miles. You are exhausted. You are hallucinating. You are sleep deprived. You are hungry. And these people are just like following you. Jiggly along with their cameras and I would just be like. Exactly. I have one of my favorite things is like the and I don't I didn't see it as much at Koko Dona, but like at Western States, like how quick the crew and the aid stations are for the athletes. Like they just like rip through it. But then at the end, they're running, you know, like 10 minute pace. And maybe if we had slowed down a hair there, right? Those three extra gels, like you're going to get eight minute pace. It just makes me laugh because like it's there's such a sense of urgency early on and then, yes, whether you blow up or not, you know, later, it's like, it is interesting. You see them like kind of. Yeah, you kind of see them standing there and people are taking off their vest and refilling it and doing all the things. And they're just kind of standing or like they sit down to change their socks. I don't know. Like, yeah, you you're trying to make it as tight as possible because you don't lose time there. But at the same time, it's like that's not going to probably win or lose the event. Yeah. But if I mean, what do I know if you did, you're like. My crew, let me down. You know what I mean? Yeah, no, it's I wonder how many I guess. Yeah, I've seen like people get into a sprint finish on the track at Western States and you're like, well, I suppose I could make a difference. Yeah, it is pretty funny. Like when it like most people fade dramatically. So you're like, well, I could take it a little more time. But if you're if you're in the hunt and you're really racing and have the legs to do it, you're like, oh, all those seconds matter. But it does make me laugh. Yeah. You got a hundred miles. Like you'll be OK. Take your time. OK, so were you blown away by Rachel's performance? So she was a two time winner before, right? So she was coming in trying to win her third title. And then she took the overall lead and then she just kept extending it. And she broke the course record, right? By like hours. Yeah. Significant amount. I think she took the lead around mile 50 or 60. OK. And it was kind of like, is this too aggressive? Is this a mistake? I love the interviews with her after. And she was just like, someone was going to win. So why not me? And I do. I think it's kind of talked about in studies. And we've seen it before with things that Courtney's been able to do where like women, like it just seems like the playing field is a little bit more even as the distance goes up. So yeah, like she's absolutely not wrong in thinking that she's super experienced. She's distance, distance specialist. Like I think she won the 200 at Mammoth last year. She had like a long stretch where she was just undefeated. But how many times she went under 100 miles for her race distance? I'm actually sure. So she's really good at these like super long distances. But yeah, it's like that seemed like a whole different level. Well, like the male leader on the on the last night before she finished was like closing the gap. And then I woke up and she had like opened up this giant lead. And I was like, oh, all right. But I have to say like watching her like she's coming with all her people. They're her like whole crew. And then she sees the finish line and she looked phenomenal sprinting in. Yeah, I was like, how is she doing that? How is she getting that knee lift? How is she doing that? Like she's winning by so much. She's got to be so tired. And I mean, I guess that's just like. That's her skill, right? Is to just push through the pain. It was crazy though, seeing her sprint in. Right. I wonder where her last split was. Like it was probably like your fastest mile of the race. Seriously. Like, oh, yeah, it was like on actually a paved road. And then I kicked in and I think that's a pretty legit mile. That's wild. Yeah. It was interesting on social. It seemed like a lot of women were super excited about this story. And then I saw a lot of men bringing up sub two and saying it wasn't comparable and all this stuff. But. What do you think about it? Do you think it's like a shift that women are going to start winning some of this longer stuff? Or do you think Rachel is just a phenomenal athlete or like, what do you think about all that? Both. I mean, I think that she's obviously proven she can run these distances better than. I mean, even the greatest like Courtney's in that race and she beat her pretty soundly. And I think that we saw that. In the shorter to even like to, I think the hundred mile we've seen women win outright before. So it's not. It's not common, but it's not unheard of. And it does kind of open the window of like, oh, yeah, I can be competitive with everyone, not just, you know, my category. But I do think that's still really special and rare. Yeah. So we'll see. And I don't like sub two is a totally different. I mean, like two different sports, we're doing two different sports. So both are very, very impressive. There's a lot more history in the marathon than 250 miles. A lot more history at the London Marathon versus the Coca-dona 250. But both are really, really impressive. So. Yeah, I genuinely don't know that much about these like Uber along races or even Rachel, to be totally honest, like I went to her Instagram and then was like watching little clips of interviews. But how many races like that does she do a year? Do you know? I don't. And how in the hell do you train for that? I don't know. How do you train for that? Yeah, not sure. Someone was like, messaged me and was like, you got to have her on the show. And I was like, we always get recommendations. I'm like, we don't really do a lot of interviews, which is not the point. But I mean, it would be fascinating to know that sort of stuff. I'm sure there's interviews out there we could just research and report back. Right. But true. Yeah. I mean, she seems like a fascinating character. And I have no idea the training and the recovery, the recovery after that's got to be insane. I do know she just kind of moved into full time professional running. So she had been working part time and got the deal with Norta and she has a few like a nutrition sponsor and probably a few other things. So she's actually moved into full time running now. And obviously that's making a big difference for your like, oh, yeah, I can recover and recover and be lazy or whichever one you want to call it. You know? Yeah. But that's a huge part of performing well. I mean, I would imagine the recovery from something like that is really serious. I mean, I remember when Camille Herron was doing some run with Lula Lemon, where she was breaking all these records and like she had like massive, you know, those GI dysfunctions. Yeah, like all sorts of her body was like shutting down. She pushed through it. But then she I think she ended up like having to go to the hospital. Like she had some serious stuff after. And I wonder what some of these races like that recovery has it's not like recovering from a marathon. Like you have to really be recovering and like eating properly and giving your body all the stuff it needs, because it's like it's like the physical deprivation, the sleep deprivation, like so much that your body's gone through. It's not like you can just be like, yeah, I'm going to sleep in tomorrow and I'll be great. I was like, I just wonder because I mean, this is like extreme, extreme. But you always are ultra marathoners. They're like, it's so great because you recover so much quicker. You can do so much more racing. Like how? Yeah, I don't know. Make it make sense. And I don't know if because the course is like you're not running as fast, like you just can't run as fast. So that's you can't like pound your body into the ground as quickly. But still 250. I mean, just the amount of asks and on your on your body and the weather conditions swinging all over the place. And yeah, the course itself was super demanding. I don't know. I don't know what the recovery time is on that. And be so hard. I mean, like I love Courtney DeWalter so much. I'm like a stand for her and reading her little recap. I was just like, that sounds like I think that's all I wrote on her Instagram. I was like, that is so hard. Like my mind is blowing right now. Why? Like I can't even fathom that. It sounds so hard. And she's just, you know, like, I mean, everybody that finished it, it's so impressive. It's incredible. I thought Courtney's race was really good. She ran it what last year and was unable to finish, which is always like hard to wrap your mind around where you're like, oh, it's a DNF. That's like such a bummer. That's a rough day. But one of those things you're not going to just gut through if you're at mile like 94 and things are falling apart, you know, mile 120 even. You're just like, I have to stop. And that's like, yeah, so different from what we're used to. I think that that's what I would struggle with. If I were out there, like, no, I have to finish because I have to finish because that's what I do is make sure I finish. It's like, but what's the point? You know, like, right? You have to abandon today. Right. Yeah. But I thought her Courtney's race was really solid in her, you know, rallying after a lot of challenges and finishing what second female. Yes, I could female. Would have been a course record. Yeah. Yeah. Would have broke the old course record. So yeah, Bravo to her as well. Yeah. I love that. Like there's these two women that are just like breaking barriers, right? Like it doesn't like Rachel's race doesn't take away from all of Courtney's success and and like Courtney's success, like Rachel still gets to shine. I don't know. I think it's pretty cool. You brought up something you saw on social and it was. We had a. I'll let you describe it. We had a your boy Scott Jurick, which I don't I just saw pop up, which I know it's a joke account. I get that this is a joke. And I think the pack company that sponsors Rachel posted is tantrums. And it's, you know, the meme where the guys with the girl holding your hand, but checking out another girl and he's with Courtney and he's checking out Rachel is like, basically, like we've moved on from you. Like there's something else that's hotter out there. And I messaged the tantrums who'd reposted it. And I was like, oh, that's so lame. And he was like, dude, it's just a joke or a she or whoever. It's like, it's just a joke. And I was like, I know, but it would have been more funny if they use like Jim Wamsley's face because like immediately taking two women and being like, you guys are competing against each other and we're comparing you. It's just like, it felt like a little tacky, but yeah, just me. I love having Jim or whoever, right? Put a keelie in on there. Any guy. Yeah. Or Scott Jurick. Yes. I do love that account. And it makes me laugh super hard. And sometimes I feel personally attacked by it, which makes me laugh even harder. I love that account. But yeah, like that, but that's the point is like, they can both be amazing. They're both amazing. It's like they both have their own skill set. They don't have to like Rachel doesn't replace Courtney and Courtney doesn't replace Rachel, right? They're just both mega stars. They're awesome. Yeah. Yes. Okay. I thought that you were going to be like, yeah, I might want to do that. No, I don't think so. I, but here's the problem. Here's the problem. Here's my problem is like, I've always said like, I would, you know, I've never do the 5k, I would never do the 10k. I would never do a marathon. So I just need to stop saying, right? Stuff. Cause as soon as they say it's like, oh yeah, I'll be there next year. Yeah. So who knows, maybe probably not, but maybe. All right. Well, let's talk about, we talked a little bit about the recovery. What about the last finisher golden hour? It's like where the clock is winding down. You know, these people are like fighting to get across finish line. They want their belt buckle. They want to be in the official results. That video was kind of everywhere as well. It's, I didn't catch the man's name, but he's just clearly suffering. Oh yeah. On the one hand, I see that and I'm like, you should stop. You are not well. On the other hand, Adam's uncle looked like that. He was like on hands, on his hands, he's seen his hands at Badwater a few years back. And it meant so much to him to finish. So I'm like super torn on it because part of me is like, oh, this is not healthy. Like this is not good. Like your body is screaming at you to stop. But then there's another part of me that's like, oh, I get that though. Or you're just like, no, I'm going to get there no matter what it takes. I'm going to get there. And so it's, I don't know, it's tough. Just thinking about like better ways to manage it. Like, okay, you put a second checkpoint in after a certain amount of time that's closer to the finish line. And if you can't get through that. You know what I mean? Like maybe you just put a little more checkpoints along the way to keep an eye on these folks because like how, again, recovery, but damage are you doing to yourself? You need to step in and say, we have to help you make the right decision versus. Yes, let's push you. I don't want you to quit too early if you're capable. But maybe I'm right. Well, I think, I think it's a tough position because I think anyone watching that can see that like that man's body is shutting down. That body is saying, I cannot go anymore. I'm going to physically stop you. But then I think we all think he's gone 249 and a half miles. What's another half mile? You know what I mean? Let him finish. So it's, it's just a tough situation. It's, it's uncomfortable and it's also like kind of impressive at the same time. It's kind of like, you know, it's like impressive that he's able, but like, as you said, you're like sleep deprived. You can't even think clearly. But I can imagine that if I was in that position and I had like a quarter mile to go, I'd be like, no, I'm going to keep going. You know? Yeah. So I don't know. It's tough. Yeah. I think it's just more like, I don't want to see it. You know what I mean? Like if it's like two miles out and you're like, okay, he's good enough to go. Then like make sure that he looks good enough to go. But if he looks like he might, and this is, you know, there was a death at coconut this year. And so I don't know what the circumstances were, what exactly happened, but it's like, that's a huge part of it is like, yeah, you're, you don't want to watch that either. Like only a half mile to go. So it's like, again, like I just want to be oblivious to it personally. Yeah. That's a really good point. Yeah. Well, he got across the line. He did. And I, here's the question. I don't know if he's an official finisher. That was a conversation, right? Cause the cutoff time. Oh, cause he had help or did he miss the cutoff time? He missed the cutoff time. So like he was, you know, I don't know, I'll have to look into that. That's brutal. You got to the line. Are you official finisher? Do you get the belt buckle? Oh God, that's, that's bad. But there's pride in being like I covered 250 miles. That's really 100%. Yeah. And I'm going to recommend for him and for everyone who did Coca-Cola, get on the recovery game and boy, do we have the thing for you. Now it's when we talk about taking the tone. I've been using these for a long time, but actually specifically since MDS, Boston, London, and just as a little recovery aid and also as a mental wake up during these days where I'm kind of unaware of the clock because I don't have a run in the morning. So, you know, like, you know, I'm on downtime and you're like, I don't know when to shower. Like, yeah, you're like, what time do I eat? I need you to tell me when you take it for recovery. Okay. So like I took one before my long run today. It was a terrible long run. I'm not blaming it on the ketone. And then I'm so tired though. So I took another one right before we started potting. But if I wanted to take it for recovery, like I took a protein shake after my long run, is that should I be taking it with that? Like what is your ketone recovery program look like? Because I was thinking about it today. I'm like, well, how quickly after should I be taking it for it to be recovered? I don't know if there's like an optimal time frame. That's actually probably something to dig into. I bet there's info on the website, but I would do it like I do it like a recovery drink or whatever. So I would do a protein mix, whatever that is, and then have one that just kind of pairs with it. Okay. And then I don't know if I'm feeling up to it maybe in the evening as well, just because I like them. Yeah. But I don't really take them before I run. So. That's just yeah, you don't take them before. Not usually. Like I would take a caffeine one mid run or even maybe not a caffeine one. It's like in a long run or in a workout. Yeah. Mixed with like electrolyte drink or on the side. Yeah. So interesting. Well, this is fun for me. This is new because I love ketone, but I have only used it to broadcast. So this has been fun for me to tinker with it with running. And I know Colts tried them before his races and stuff too. So, but now I need to get on the recovery train, especially after today. Okay. I think they're very interesting because there's multi uses for them. It's not just performance and athleticism and recovery, but also just like the mental kind of wake up midday. So yes. Thank you, Keto and IQ for sponsoring us this pod and getting those getting carried recovered from this runs. And thank you for coming out with new flavors. They're also good. I don't like does I don't like the battery acid flavor. I really love the grape. I love really love the apple. There's some good flavors now. You don't like it. You're not a peach. I did take a peach today, but it's not my fave. I think they're coming out with like a blue raspberry. Yeah, I saw that. I'm excited. That'll be interesting. Okay. Let's totally pivot and cover one more topic. Completely opposite of the 250 mile race. Okay. Let's talk about Abby Siner, one of the greatest collegiate sprinters of all time, signed this giant deal with Puma in 2021, I believe. She was like a huge thing that we talked about at MEC. She's going to be the future of the sport. Incredible sprinter. She signs a deal with Puma and we don't really see her. She's kind of always injured. We know she had a surgery last year. And anyway, it comes out a week or two ago. She's suing Puma. She had to have three surgeries and she's suing them because she says their spikes ended her career and that they knew they were dangerous. And they gave them to her to run in anyway. What are your thoughts? Whoa. I saw that. I'm like, I read some of the articles. I guess I'm confused about, like, I would love to know more about. I feel like she said they were like faulty or, I'm out of the loss for the term. But they weren't like, what's it? They were defective. It was defective equipment, right? Yeah. And I just like, what does that mean? Were they giving her? I just am very confused about like, that's the word I'm hung up on. If that's actually true, then I think maybe she has some kind of a case, but I don't, I don't think like the product not working properly for you does not necessarily make them defective. Right. I'm looking at a headline. She did use the word defective, but she says that permanently injured her feet and ended her competitive career. They marketed her shoes as innovative, safe and effective for elite athletes to complain alleges the shoe change, how the stress of running affected the rest of the body. The complaint also states that Puma and Mercedes knew that the shoes could cause bone stress injuries, increase the likelihood of foot injuries and result in increased strain. That's not defective. Right. I mean, so. Old ladies. Let's go. Let's go. I fucking hate super shoes. And this is this. We're seeing this stuff even on the roads. We're seeing Achilles stuff. We're seeing knee stuff flow up because people use them and it short circuits your foot and you're, you're the chain doesn't have to take the compression. And then you go out and run in regular shoes and you do a pickup and like, it's just, we're seeing it. We're seeing it in youth. I had a doctor reach out to me that said they're seeing it on the youth side. Kids wearing these shoes who are still developing and they're not fully developing because of the shoes and they're getting these blown out Achilles and Haglund's, whatever it's called, and all these other issues. And so I'm not surprised by this. I'm not surprised that this super hard plate that's a propulsion plate is going to fuck you up when you're running at full velocity. Right. So I'm not surprised by any of this. I'm not, I'm not against her though. I'm like, if they, if they had research that shows that it stressed your bones and if they didn't tell her that, that's pretty messed up. But I'm also like, it's obvious the shoe is hurting her. And I wish she would have just like ended her contract. Terminate your contract. That's it. Yeah. I mean, I, I don't, I don't know. I'm not, again, I want to know like more about this defective thing because I think that's such an interesting choice of word. But I, like you said, you just described all these reasons that we know that super shoes and super stiff plates and super stiff spikes are going to impact your body in different ways. And that's across the board. Like is it Puma specifically? I think it's not. I think it's probably just the category of shoes that we're competing in. I think when you sign a contract, you're entering into an agreement to work with a company and you can either terminate it, which is an absolute option. Hey, this doesn't work for me. Let's talk about how we can cut this short so that I can find other options. Or you work very, very closely with that team and say, let's figure out a solution that works within the options that you're giving me. Right. So I just, yeah, go ahead. It makes me think about the Fred Curley case. Remember, like he signed that massive deal with ASICs and the shoes just did not work for him and he was getting injured and they weren't working and he just like, just started wearing Nikes and like made it to World Champs in one of bronze or whatever. He was just like, screw it. I don't have enough time or maybe it was Paris. He's like, I don't have enough time to like, redo this whole thing. Like I, my time is limited and I got to get, yeah, I guess it was the Olympics. He was like, I got to get myself in fricking shoes at work for me. I think that the thing that's interesting with her is that she says that she has proof that they knew they were bad for your foot. And I guess my question is like, did she know that? Did she know, did she know or did just they knew or did just they know? You know what I mean? Does she feel like they were holding that from her? And is it specifically a Puma spike or is she talking about rigid plates? So then you have to go into that, that specific plate and be like, what is, you know what I mean? Like what about this compound and this structure and this plate design and our pattern, you know, is defective? Right. Yeah. Cause I don't, I mean, it is. Yeah. I, and also like, it is interesting that like Mercedes is the alternative, you know, like what's, what's the alternative? I don't, I would love to see the product she was in as well. I just, yeah, I think you, when you sign an agreement. You're deciding to partner with a company and, you know, if she was like, Hey, I will give you all the money back because this isn't working or terminate right now. But I think there was a number of people as super shoes came out. Like I'm going to go test everything out and see what works best for me. Right. You know, before I sign a deal and I'll take a lesser money. Like a lot of people took lesser money because they felt like the Nike was the best product and that was, I think that's problematic, but it's also, it makes a ton of sense. Like, okay, like what shoe does work for you? Like, let's go figure that out. And then I'm curious, like what the communication was from her end to Puma, right? Like after the first massive injury, like this shoe isn't working for me. And were they like too, too bad or were they work trying to work on a solution? I mean, I think the whole situation is really tragic. Like she's only 26. She was like so good and I feel really sad for her. But I also, I don't think that Puma would like try to hurt their athletes. Right. So that's their investment, right? Like, yeah, we're not throwing away millions just to hurt you. And there have been two other cases. A woman tried to sue, I think, New Balance because she said she had a, she actually said she had a defective spike, I think that like fell apart and she had a career ending injury and someone else tried to sue Nike and those were thrown out. So I'm interested to see what happens with this one. It seems to have a little bit more traction, maybe just because of her name. But it will be interesting to follow. I mean, the bottom line is, and this isn't like a knock at her at all. These shoes are not safe. I mean, I get that they help you PR and they help you run faster, but they are changing your mechanics. Every single one of them is changing your mechanics, whether it's the Puma shoe or the Alpha fly or even the Brooks Hyperion max, like it is changing or but Brooks Hyperion elite, like they're all changing the mechanics. That's what the super shoe does. It aids in your propulsion. So you don't have to come down and you know what I mean? Yeah. So it's like, that's, and I would think in a sprint shoe, it's going to be even harder because it's going to be even stiffer. Well, I think it goes back to like high performance where it's not, there's this idea that like because you're running, it's this health and wellness thing. Yeah. But high performance isn't really about health and wellness. Like it's tip of the spear. A lot of it's unhealthy. A lot of it's not. You wouldn't encourage it to a youth who's just getting into the sport. And I think about that with these products as well. Like if you weren't doing this for high performance, don't put these on. That's not what they're for. Right. But there's like a risk reward, you know, and that's that's what they're looking for is that one performance where it works and they win the gold medal. Well, we'll follow along. We'll see what happens if it goes anywhere, if it also gets kind of tossed out. But I think, I think because she's such a big name, it got a lot of attention. And I'm definitely curious to see if it goes anywhere. So we'll see. Okay. So let's enough about that. And we'll follow along and let's end today with a top five. Love a top five. What's going on in your top five? Well, I'm I'll start and I'm just going to give a shout out to Ryan root, who is the head distance coach at Fairview, who I think has done a great job with Colt and a great job with all the athletes. He seems he's just like really interested in all the athletes. But of course, I know mostly my son and he I'm just impressed with what he's gotten out of Colt without overtraining him or like setting him up for, I don't know. I just feel like he's been really realistic with his age and everything. And I he believed Colt could do it. And he he's pivoted to the two mile or to the 3200. So shout out to Ryan root. Great coach. He saw something that maybe even Colt didn't see. And now he gets to go to state. So thank you, Ryan. Love that. Different page, but I'm going to go back to the Beagles. Really excited about the Beagles. They got let loose, saved from the testing labs. And there's been a lot of people reaching out and they're like, oh, I'm fostering one or oh, I'm going to maybe on my way to adopting one. And they said so far, no wet Beagles have turned into gremlins, which is great news. And I don't want to like hold people back from maybe adopting one of these things. So I just want to revisit the Beagles and say, sounds like everything's good. And their stories are super cute. Like for a start touch of grass, we're starting playing in a pool, which is a video I saw was like, OK, who there's a bunch of the pool. So I feel like it's in a good place. And that's just a cool story. That is a great story. OK, that makes me think of something totally random. And I'm so weird, but I'm going to say it anyway. So I had the love of my life, a cat that lived for 19 years. Her name is Ellie. And we got this cat fin for Colt and then nobody wanted his sister. So we adopted the sister as well, Sydney. And Sydney, we got them before Ellie died. Sydney or Ellie hated Sydney. She could tolerate fan, but not Sydney. But anyway, Sydney is not like the most friendly cat. And it's been hard for me because I want her to like be obsessed with me the way Ellie was. Yeah. And she's just not. She's just a little bit different. But I've been waking up and she's been cuddled up on me. And it like makes me so excited. And I'm like, don't touch her. Don't touch her. But I feel like after all these years, I mean, we got her in 2018. We're finally forming a bond. So just let me think of that. Sydney has been like making my mornings when I wake up and she's curled up with me. Makes me so happy. It took eight years to get here, but we're there. Good work. You put in the work. I watched a meme today where it was like when you're cuddling with your dog and you move like just a bit and then the dog takes off. But then it just shows the dog like basically going through all these steps towards like eventually on a vacation on a beach. You're like, yeah, like I'm out of here, like no, out of here, out of here, which is so true. You like move an inch and they're like, boom. So careful, careful with that. I'll send it to you because it's hilarious. OK, that's our city, it's for sure. She's like sending selfies from the beach. You moved. Colors. OK, well, I'm going to go with my my neighbor downstate because we've been downstate for a bit. Our neighbor, Tom, we have two neighbor, Tom's one up north and one downstate. Downstate Tom keeps an eye on our house and we're gone, takes care of all these different things, but he built a fence because they have two long haired doxins. So what you call them? Oh, yeah. So two long haired weiner dogs that like are really the pretty mean like they've run over and they bit our last dog, who was like a mean dog. And he was just like out trying to take a pee and this little weiner dog came over and just like bit right in the tail and ran off. I was like, oh, shit, you got like Sniper. So we're we're on a we're down here for a while. So we're on like a quest to become friends with him. So we go out and give Clifford cheese every day. And it's been the funniest process because it like blows his mind. He just barks at you, but his tail is going crazy now. He's like, maybe I'm going to get cheese. So basically, we're kind of just rewarding him for bad behavior, but whatever. Are you wearing him down? No, not really. Not yet. It's I don't think it's going to happen. And then it was actually hilarious. We went for a run the other day. We're coming back and Tom was walking Clifford and they have another one, Bosco, who's super nice. But he's not allowed to have cheese because he's overweight. So they were walking and Clifford saw us like out of context. And it was like you could just see his little mind be blown. So wait, what the fuck are you doing out here? Like why? And then he just started barking. But yeah, to Tom, because he gave us the cheese into Clifford. We're going to be buddies. I just feel like it's going to need an update if you wear him down. Yeah, the key like he sits out in the corner now. He always used to do that, but he looks into our house and just barks at us. Like you'll be moving around the house and stuff. I'm like, dude, I like we're in the house. We live here. But now he looks in and he barks, but then he also wags his tail. So we'll see what happens. OK, we might need a picture. OK, I'm just going to for my last one, I'm going to shout out three track moms who I've been an emotional wreck the last two weeks because my child had this goal that seemed unattainable. I'm going to shout out Shane Colbipper, Anna Paffle and Kate Robbie, who have like held my hand and told me it's going to be fine and cheered for my son like he was their own. And I I really just appreciate them. It's been awesome. And you need that parent support because you're like, I'm sure it's like when you were watching Ryan before, it's like you get so nervous. And so these three women have been awesome. And it's been actually really fun. Like I get excited to see him. It's been great. And also they talk me off the ledge when I'm super nervous for my child. So shout out to them. No, no, you can watch you're covering your eyes. Yeah, I literally like put my head in Kate's shoulder and she was like, oh, he's doing well. You know, I'm like, I can't watch. So yeah, like they get it. They get nervous for their sons, too. And so we all kind of help each other. So I love it. Shout out to us. Well, good luck, Cole. We'll get into results and I'll give you updates on Clifford and all kinds of things next week. All right. Sweet.