Episode #89 Featuring Liver and Health Expert, SIGGI CLAVIEN!! The LIVER Episode! An encyclopedia and masterclass on EVERYTHING you need to know about your liver!

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That's timeline.com backslash Dylan35 and hurry while this offer lasts. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the Dylan Gemelli podcast. So I am really amped for my interview today because this is my boy here sitting next to me. We had some really, really good conversations. I am beyond thankful that I got to meet you when I did. And I think I met you at Dave Osprey's this year, but thankfully through some PR people that introduced me to you. And I am so damn glad I met you. The conversations that we've had and the friendship I've developed with This man is amazing and awesome. But we're not going to get into that today. We're going to spotlight him and what he knows because he is absolutely brilliant on many levels. Now, he's known for his expertise and his work on the liver, which many of you, if you want to hear his name and see everything, you're going to know. But what I've learned from him is that he's very, very, very well educated on so many different aspects of health. So we're going to get into a lot of different things today. But like I said, he's recognized globally for his work in liver health and regeneration. And he is the founder of the Liver Clinic and Deliverance, which is now one of my new favorite supplements since he finally gave me some to try. But we're going to get into everything. He's going to talk about his understanding and optimizing of liver function, how it helps you live longer. I'm going to grill him today on different aspects of the liver, but so many other things. So welcome, my friend, Siggy Klaubian. pleasure to be here very nice to uh see you again you too man i am so happy that you're here and that we live in the same area and that we get to hang out here a little bit and talk and thanks for making time to come and see me today brother i appreciate it yeah of course happy to be here so i'm going to quiz you today on every aspect of the liver like i said i want to talk to you a little bit though about the liver first in general why did you specifically pick that to be your area of expertise. And then we're going to get into like the key functions and facts about the liver, especially things that people might not be aware of. I didn't pick the liver so much as I did get picked me or life put me in that direction. So my family in Switzerland were winemakers. So we come from a family of, you know, basically farmers. We drove grapes and viticulture and with that. And then you make wine and very much associated around food and that as well. And kind of living up in the mountains in Switzerland. and I was one of the best universities in the world for studying viticulture is in California, University of California, Davis. So I had been sent there to learn the wine business and very much digitally because I didn't realize this until recently, but taking care of vineyards is very much kind of like taking care of patients, which you do now is, you know, they can live to be 60, 70 years old. They get sick. They have to be taken care of and they need nutrition and they need love and there's stress and it's, you know, you have to, really like care for them to be like a great, great vintner. That's the growing of the, of the vines. And my best friend had passed away from a drug interaction. And so I, you know, took a step back and really, you know, kind of went through an epiphanal experience and was, you know, studied a lot of spirituality and what I wanted to do. And I said, well, why don't I use my knowledge of, of, of chemistry and of, of kind of biotech, you know making wines biotechnology into creating supplements and phytomedicines to maybe prevent that and getting more into preventing that overdoses but also that kind of morphed into dealing with addiction and addiction is very very complex because and to be candid you know i develop supplements and regimes to remove the physical side for the addiction but addiction is actually much more complex the easiest part to deal is the physical addiction it's the it's you know the psychological and the spiritual and the emotional side of it and and i was doing that and i very much specialize in western medicine kind of traditional supplements you know using vitamins and minerals and enzymes and very much coming from a mindset of reactive medicine which is you know really western medicine is changing but it was based off you know wait till you have a problem and then fix it right and then my mentor that helped me start my first company i was about 20 years old he really got me going into the supplement world and he just kind of backed me didn't take anything for himself just really saw something in me and wanted to help and he had actually eventually died of liver cancer and my godfather died of cirrhosis so i've now lost essentially three of the closest male people in my family um you know except for my father um due to liver liver deaths basically one was you know cancer one was cirrhosis and one was drug interaction. And that really pushed me into that direction. So then now I've been pushed into, okay, let me really actually study the liver. And I didn't know that much about the liver. I mean, I am a detoxification expert, but he didn't really appreciate the liver for what it is. And I was looking at it singularly and not looking at the holistic aspect or the 30,000 foot macro aspect of how the liver is so intertwined with everything. So in about 2003 through now, I've just focused, hyper-focused on the liver. and the more and more I got into liver health then liver medicine and then eastern medicine and then realizing that they put the liver on a very important position as the general of the body and how key it is to everything else and I started working with traditional eastern medicine where I combined my western medical knowledge with eastern medicine and Ayurvedic and Chinese medicine and that morphed and took me more into the liver space and more and more I got into it the more and more complex it was and the more exciting it was. And the more that God pushed me into, there's a need to be able to help people and to let them know about the liver and make the liver famous. Because most people don't know where it is or what it does. They just think it's for detox. And we're about 25 years behind in major research than other organs. So not only has science kind of not paid as much attention to the liver as they should, but people don't as well. They don't really think about the liver until it's too late. By the time it's too late, you've got much bigger problem. So that pushed me into developing phytomedicines, combining Eastern medicine and Western medical technology to create the medicines. And then that pushed me into diagnostics. And then we had to realize that there's a huge problem. When I started this, it was 18% of the U.S. had fatty liver disease. It's now 40%. And it's projected to be 50 by 2030. So it's accelerating. Their liver disease is up 400% and it's getting away from us. Everything else we're pushing down. So it's fascinating. And right now, I love what I do. We do education. We do lectures. We have clinics. We do scanning. We have solutions. We do referrals. I mean, crazy stuff. Even now, and to get to the knowledge that I had to do was hepatologists didn't have it. They're very close-minded in one aspect of the liver. But I had to work with, like the formula took 18 years, but I had to work with endocrinologists and gastrointestinal specialists, brain doctors, neuroscientists, herbalists, Chinese medicine doctors, hepatologists, functional medicine. So I'm an amalgamation of all these different doctors and experts that are on my team and that I've collaborated with and worked with to create the solutions that we now have. So I never had any intention of going into liver health. And I was, you know, life took me there and God took me there to do that. So very happy. Like we, we help people every day. And most importantly, now we're obsessed with preventing people from getting. So it's, it's incredibly rewarding. And every day I learn something about the liver. Even, even last night after having this awesome chat with one of the top neurosurgeons in the valley one of the best in the country we were talking about alzheimer's and he's very much of his wife's a nutritionist and they're even though he's a surgeon he's very much obsessed with the metabolic causes of it yeah and then we started talking and i went deep dove into some research and the link between uh because we got an alzheimer's discussion the link between liver disease and alzheimer's is huge it's there it's proven it's like and i didn't know that i mean i knew all the other things about the liver but i didn't i know the brain that liver axis was so so dynamic and so incredible and they're so interconnected and bi-directional but i had no idea the alzheimer's linked until today michael jordan didn't stop shooting jump shots right he's the best because he practiced all the time there's probably things you could learn every single day oh yeah and that's the key to it so i love hearing that let me ask you this on the important scale and every organ is important because they wouldn't be there if they weren't important but But most people tend to focus, and I think rightfully so, on the heart and the brain. But just how vital and important is the liver to our just overall consumption of who we are. The liver has thousands of functions, 500 of which are vital. So your skin, your hair, the brain acts as energy source. I mean, your furnace for your energy is also your liver. It's like another function it does. If you and I get up and go play basketball or walk around, the energy that we're using is the liver burning it. But the liver is also controlling and masterminding and organizing all of your nutrients and all of your vitamins and all the protein that we do. So it's definitely a master organ. And the reason it's called the general is because it controls all the other troops and it controls all these other organs. so it's signaling to each of them, communicating with them and it's cleaning the blood and it's a gland so it's creating hormones which is both functions and women's hormones, longevity I mean it is key and it's so complex that we cannot replicate it with technology we can do it we can do a heart, we can do kidneys we can do lungs but the liver its regenerative ability is so incredible and the amount of stem cells and how it's constantly, constantly growing, technology can't even come close to replicating it. So that's because you can't, you know, you have to have like, it's also like a computer because it's also making decisions and it's intuitively intelligent and it's talking to the brain all the time. And they talk that, you know, the brain and the liver, not only are they intrinsically linked, but they speak to each other via hormones and through the vagus nerve and, you know, through signaling and transmission. So it's very much, it's chatting all the time with all the other organs. So it's, you can, and it can, you can absolutely smash it and mess it up and abuse it and take 90% of it could be damaged and it'll come back. No organ in the human body fully regenerates. It's like Wolverine. It's like Wolverine. Fully regenerates. Comes back. Even skin, though it regenerates, it's scarred. You can tell it never the same. And liver just comes back. It's constantly, constantly, constantly during. Well, and things have to be made to pass through the liver, right? A lot of supplements, a lot of steroids, a lot of things like that, they're made to pass through the liver. Why is that? Because the liver is in control and it's making sure what goes through is good or bad. Is that what it is? Explain it. Everything. So we eat something, right, goes into the stomach. Stomach breaks it down. It kind of liquefies it. Small intestines starts pulling stuff out. And then it goes into your blood. and then your blood is running into the liver and the liver is then, okay, organizing it. So, okay, vitamin A, we'll put it here. Vitamin D, we'll put it here. This is a toxin. We'll get rid of it. This is an unknown threat. We'll create an enzyme to break it down. This is a different kind of enzyme. We'll create a different enzyme to break that down. Or it could be a good a soy allergy. And then it's also the red blood cells and it's helping we work with your kidneys to clean the blood. so as it breaks things down and metabolizes things the byproducts of those have have effects negative or positive but it has to deconstruct organize manage and then distribute as needed throughout the body what that is and so if you want it most drugs are metabolized by the liver most things are but especially the liver has to go through that and break it down and if the liver sees it at too much of a threat, it'll just get rid of it or break it down. But it'll pull out the good bits as well. So when things are altered to get through and bypass the liver, is that trying to trick it, basically? Yeah, you're trying to trick it or mask it. It's like a thing with detoxification is, and I, you know, spent a large part of my career creating detoxification products and we would try to trick the liver or invigorate the liver or try to tell the liver to go into detox. Detox is like a three-part process and it's It's rather complex. And that was what I could call like a yin or an active approach to it. Used to practice that. Now I don't. We actually do what's more of a yang or passive, which is the liver is going to make better decisions on detoxification than we could ever could. So now it's like, let's we looked at it from the completely different paradigm, which is how do we give the liver everything it needs and the support it needs to do detoxification as it sees fit? and to then give the liver more oxygen and more fluid and make sure it's softer and squishier and boost to help the kidneys. We're doing everything we do now is to help the liver do its thing. So yeah, that's how, and a lot of drugs do that. A lot of how the Western drug system works now, partially it's because of pharmaceutical industry, but also is they want to know what one mechanism of action and the one mechanism of action. And that's why for like our products, or formulas, there's multiple ones. So it's not that simple to do it. So some drugs, while they're tricking or triggering or saying to do one thing, they're not spending enough time looking at what other effects is causing downstream, how is it affecting that, and that's what side effects are. Kind of like with the MNRA, you know, the gene therapy is that you lose control of it and it's going around and it's tricking the body to do something and there's no off switch. right that's where you get blood clots and yeah so the further you get away from nature and from the natural body the more problems you can run into because you're this is not what god intended it's not what god intended it's not uh you know it's it's you're you're playing with things you know two degrees obviously certain medicines are incredible like certain antibiotics and certain real vaccines like smallpox and stuff have been you know game-changing and drugs do have a place but overuse of them and causes liver damage and cause other problems and weird side effects and you know people getting arthritis from this or that too so it's one of my heroes is benjamin franklin and he always said you never learn anything with your mouth open so listen true yeah that's a good point you gotta listen to the body and that's how we that's how we formulate now and we try to prevent the medicine and root causes listening let me ask you this this seems to me that a lot of things have a side effect that says can cause liver problems that there's a lot of drugs a lot of things that it seems to be very transient to causing liver problems is there something that is specifically done with within these drugs or within a lot of these things that consistently points to causing potential liver damage well because a lot of the The drugs are chemicals and those chemicals can cause damage. They can cause stiffness. They can affect other organs. That's why liver disease is up 400%. You know, it's the reason it's up 400% in 50 years and it's accelerating is because of the mass introduction of processed foods, synthetic foods, you know, fake chemicals in the food, preservatives and pharmaceuticals. And still to this day, the number one cause of liver failure and liver damage is, I don't know, you know, paracetamol is what we call it in England. Yeah. Or acetaminophen is the term for it and it actually dissolves liver tissue. So in small doses, it can help with a headache, but too much of it or using it too often or mixing it with alcohol or mixing with another chemical, right, can cause severe liver damage. It actually dissolves the liver tissue. Wow. And, you know, because you want to avoid scarring. Whilst the liver does repair, it's very difficult to get rid of fibrosis. You know, that's you kind of get these like channels or these like veins look like like roots, really. And that's that scar tissue. And when those connect is when you start to get cirrhosis. And then you've trapped all this lovely, healthy tissue. And you've it can't regenerate because it's been deprived of oxygen and energy and blood. And it then dies and you get these spots. But it's yeah, it's it's that's what's driving. I mean, also herbicides, pesticides, insecticides, those are all those things. You know, you can't introduce 100,000, 150,000 synthetic man-made materials into the human biome, into the body. In 100 years, we haven't evolved to even do it. You know, it took us thousands of years just to evolve to eat, like, grains. Yeah. You know, or to eat, to do with sugar. You know, that's why a lot of cultures that didn't have sugar, like Native Americans, Aborigines, Polynesians, they'd never had sugar so they'd never developed the liver hadn't evolved to break it down so they get diabetes really quick that's why because they haven't evolved that just like Europeans evolved against measles and a lot of diseases but when they came to North America the indigenous population hadn't so evolution in the body is catching up it's trying to but too much too quick people that aren't seeing video right now I had a big scowl when you brought up Tylenol and it does because some of the most brilliant people that I know, you being one of them now, have consistently brought up that no one should ever touch or go near Tylenol. And that's one of those things that people get so angry about and upset. It's like, dude, we don't have a problem. This isn't a bash on Tylenol. It's a simple fact. I would like it if you could go into a little bit more detail about that just to get a nice, because you're one of those people that just gives it like it is. You don't pick sides. You just, and that's what I love about you. And that's why I want to get you a little bit more insight from you on it, because I just want simple truths. I don't give a shit what side anybody's on. I just want to know the fact of the fact of the fact. Could you break down exactly in good detail, which I'm sure you have, just what it is about Tylenol in general that people need to be at least aware of the damages that it can do and why? Yeah, you start with the headaches. The first thing with a headache is your body talking to you and there's a reason usually behind it. it could be inflammation, it could be toxicity. Most of the time it's dehydration. So I always tell people, first thing is drink some water. A lot of times it's your brain. I mean, brain's 70 plus percent water. And if you're dehydrated, your brain will start giving you a headache. It says, listen, we're getting some more water. So that's one. If you do need something, I always say ibuprofen. It's tough in the kidney, but you bounce back from it. That's what I'll take, an Advil. I try not to, but if I need something, pain sucks. So I'll take that. Tylenol specifically, the chemical compounds that are in it, like the acetaminophen, it actually dissolves liver tissue. So what's happening is when you're taking it and then you're metabolizing it, the chemicals that are actually causing, so it's like causing damage and then the liver is trying to repair and it's causing damage. And then if you take too much of it, the damage overwhelms the ability to repair. And then you can magnify that when you drink alcohol. Right. So it's like you think, okay, so, you know, let's just say kind of geek out, but let's say like a sword causes two points of damage or so. Tylenol causes two points of damage. Alcohol causes three points of damage. If you take both. Oh, so it's five points. No, it's 20. Wow. It quantifies. Okay. So you kind of like it's now multiplying and then that's causing even more damage. And then that's affecting things like then it's getting inflamed and it's causing inflammation. and it's also confounding basically the liver's ability to do its job and then other toxins are affecting it as well and then if your liver is out of whack its ability to get rid of other toxins so that can also cause more so you start to get into this like vicious cycle of damage and i was with the really interesting lady she was she used to be charged with poison control for the western u.s she's based in denver the rockies and we were talking about liver health something and she was saying that the biggest overdoses they get around Christmas are actually teenagers that have overdosed on Tylenol. Because a lot of times they're like, that's probably the easiest access to like a drug and they'll take too much. And what happens there is they get severe liver damage, liver failure. And there's a lot of times there'll be liver, you might have to do a liver transplant because you've destroyed so much of the liver that now it's like, okay, we're going to have to put you on the transplant list because it dissolving liver tissue It the simplest way for people to just imagine it you know the chemicals in it kind of dissolves it dissolves liver tissue so it like a great way to explain it would be kind of like it's like acid you know eating this couch right you can put something on it and eat it away and that's what it's doing to the liver interesting about tylenol um we work a lot with maha and bobby kennedy and yeah some cool really cool initiatives and they had come out and discussed you know that there might be a link with alzheimer's and tylenol and like the amish community has like very low or almost unheard of alzheimer's and didn't take a tylenol so there's there's some interesting canaries in the coal mine that you can look at i remember thinking this is a worry that we have to have with ai and especially with chat dpt's and stuff like that ai is incredibly useful for diagnostics and all kinds of things, but it's also very manipulative as well. And if it's an open AI, it can be very much done. And so a lot of people now, it used to be the Oracle was, what you used to, obviously God or to yourself, which we should do, people start going to search engines and they get the answer. And then that, because of how much that's controlled now by advertising and money and stuff like that, that's manipulated by money as well. And now people went to AI and they think, well, ChatGPT said that or the AI said this. So that's like this new false oracle. And an example was, I remember because when you do a search now, it'll pop up. And it was Tylenol because liver damage. So we always talk about Tylenol and paracetamol if you're in England. And those results would come up. And we watched this actually real time. So that news broke about the link between Tylenol and Alzheimer's. And the drug companies were like, you know, ship, we need to put a stop on this. In the morning, if you would have done a search, it would have really discussed about all the damage and stuff that Tylenol does. By that evening, ChatGPT was telling you, oh, no, no, no, there's no link to Alzheimer's, there's no link to this, that's the, and that's very simple because at the end of the day, AI just takes what you give it, and then it regurgitates it out the other side. Yeah. So all you need to do, and all they did, is they just pump, you know, tens and tens of millions of dollars into data and they're you flood chat gpt yeah that's with that so it's now spitting out the answer so it's very easy to manipulate them yeah oh yeah if you got big money yeah and it was i remember saying i was like wow so you obviously can't we can't trust this anymore because we just watched it from the morning to the evening the entire narrative on tylenol was changed as a reaction to what bobby kennedy had brought up about the tylenol link as well so it's uh it's funny because if you search it now it's way less nefarious than it was when it was open real open source now it's being manipulated the data but it's still i mean you ask anybody ask any hepatologist or any doctor and you deep dive on it's still number one causes of liver damage more than alcohol more than anything and you know there's so many other alternatives if you've got pain yeah it's just not a it's not a good thing to do it's like another one is um Xanax actually Xanax takes about seven years to get out of your liver Really? From a pharmacological perspective Any good pharmacist would say it's a very dirty drug So like if you really need Like a chill pill There's Valium and there's Raspin There's other things you can take But Xanax specifically That chemical that's in there sits in the liver And you actually get You'll have overdoses to where I think this is what happened to Heath Ledger Is he used to abuse Xanax and he had stopped taking Xanax and a couple years later he had taken another like he was sober for a long time he took another drug but that drug mixed with the with the Xanax that was still in his liver and that's where it killed him and that you see that a lot actually so some of those drugs that sit there because most drugs get out of your system in like 72 hours yeah yeah Because they're bad. Your body gets rid of them. Yeah. But some of them kind of, they burrow in and they sit there. And that's why Xanax is super dirty. So I say, once again, you know, for whatever reason, if you're prescribed, you need like a chill pill and you're forced to do that, at least take something cleaner. Yeah. Like if you have a headache, if you really need a headache, take an Advil or an ibuprofen. Yeah. Drink some water, you know. I did not know that about the Xanax. Wow. Yeah. So that's a really dirty thing. Pharmaceuticals, it's very dirty as well. I've always had those on hand for panic attacks, and I've used like one a year for the past, I don't know, few years, but I try to never touch them. Yeah. But it's volumes in and out. Wow. Yeah. Same effect, really. Yeah. Yeah. Whoa. Okay. That's another fun action. Yeah. It's a good idea. And I'm going to pass a judgment on whether to take it or not to take it, but if you need to take a pill to chill out, because anxiety sucks too, right? And yeah, like if I had a massive anxiety, I'd take a volume. That's going to cause you, the stress will cause you more damage than the volume will. I used to get the panic attacks. Most of it, I think, was from too much smoking pot. But I stopped smoking pot and they kind of stopped. Yeah. But that's kind of a different story. Certain pots will do that, like sativas and stuff too because of the neurological effect. That's why if you've got certain psychoses, it can be actually very bad because it can exasperate or accelerate those psychoses. issues or anxiety issues um that's why the form is like an edible because it's more of a body high that's right for cancer patients it's better because it's just you're not getting the mental effect oh yeah yeah i think i used to get actually probably you know certain especially this the marijuana that's around today because it's so hybrid it's a different level than like when i was a kid you know you spoke to joint you chilled out and listened to reggae music and giggled right the brick weed yeah it's just very simple i mean now there's so much shit going on you don't even know what you're actually even smoking oh my god and then you got the chemicals because it's in the um in the vapes and stuff oh yeah kind of like the old school just uh you know when i was 11 and i stopped i gave it up for lent i have to ask my wife i think it's been over two years so i was going on 30 some years and i just i i gave it up for lent because i was you know lent you're supposed to be giving up something that draws you away from god right and i thought man that maybe this is and i noticed that i was starting to struggle with the panic attacks once i switched to vaping from actually smoking flower and that's when it kind of started and it was i've always been under the impression of oh i think clear right i'm more enthralled into what i'm doing i kind of convincing myself you know because i like smoke fun but you know once i stopped i honestly i have felt so much more clear and the far less frequency some anxiety and panic But I think part of that was due to the vaping, to be honest with you, that was supposed to be so much cleaner. And I think it was making things worse. But I want to touch on some of the relations of diet with liver in general. So, one, are there any foods or types of diets that you recommend are good for the liver? And two, are there foods that could be potentially doing harm there that, like, we know the processed stuff and the seed oils and things are obviously not good for multitudes of reasons. but are there others that we may not be aware of that could be causing harm i've been seeing this in thousands and thousands of people we scan was actually diet sodas oh i believe it everybody's running around drinking diet soda thinking they're doing a good thing because they were you know they were programmed yes oh i'm you know it's almost like a virtue signaling i drink diet soda but those chemicals we started seeing like why is it why are these teenagers having fatty liver disease and they're like diet soda diet soda red bull okay okay and the parents don't but they're older and they drink alcohol and eat meat. But it's a diet soda. And so basically, the liver, as it is intelligent, it understands sugar, it understands fat, it understands alcohol. Yeah. But it doesn't understand all these chemicals. And those chemicals are overwhelming the liver. And the liver is now seeing that as a bigger threat. So I was always saying, you have a higher chance of getting diabetes and a higher chance of fatty liver disease if you drink diet soda. And everybody thought it was crazy. It was like, yeah, but you're not taking as much sugar in. How does that make sense? like how are you going to be pre-diabetic if you're not really drinking the sugar you always get a little bit of sugar but what's happening is these chemicals are overwhelming the liver's ability and the liver is prioritizing this threat versus the sugar and stuff it understands so it lets that go through so yes the gross intake of sugar is so much less but the sugar that is going in is being stored and you're like short circuiting your liver's ability to break these down and then this big study came out I think it was Harvard. Dr. Gareth sent to me and I've got a copy of my phone. You have a 38% higher chance of type two diabetes as a diet soda drinker than a regular soda. So the science is now caught up with these things that we were suspecting. So that's something I think that people don't realize. And a lot of people, I mean, even in this country, like even a petite, Peter Atiyah was saying when he went to Stanford Medical School, how many days he spent on nutrition? zero so doctors don't know that much about nutrition and how good food is so the public knows even less so the public's thinking you're busy with their lives and they're like okay light this should be healthy for me or diet this or fat free it's chemical so anything that has chemicals in it or that has those as I say that chemical shit storm is what you need to think of if you see diet light or fat free that is a lot of people don't understand that you'd be much better off eating butter and some beef and a glass of wine to drink a diet soda and eating like a light meal, like literally from a liver damage perspective. Totally. But things that are really good for the liver. So, you know, deep greens, beets are really good for the liver. Water's very good. Coffee's very good for the liver. Wheat. Yeah, coffee's fantastic for the liver. I had a good chat with Dave Asprey. And obviously he's, you know, changed the whole coffee game. And we were talking about coffee and I went and did some deep research on it. And yeah, you have about 40 to 60% less chance of liver cancer if you're a heavy coffee drinker. Sweet. And we just have to be careful what you put in the coffee. That's where you can run afoul. Yeah. Because it's like a pure type of milk. Yeah. So just nice. And it's interesting because I used to put a lot of honey or sugar in my coffee years ago. And I obviously stopped doing sugar, you know, because then I would, okay, white sugar is like evil. Yeah. So raw sugar is a better alternative. And there's like, okay, honey, which is good for you. Yeah, the honey. But it's interesting how your brain gets programmed to like sweet. So you kind of have to come off of like, it's almost like having an addiction, like a sweet addiction. Yeah. And your taste buds change. Because if you've been drinking sweet coffee the whole time, and then you go and have a regular coffee, like, ew. All right? So you've got to, you're like, this tastes like shit. Try protein powder in there, man. Yeah, I do protein powder in a little bit of, it's SCT oil. I don't do MCT oil. So the SCT oil, that's what I put in mine. And it is just like, Oh my gosh, it's glorious. It's the next level above it. And the boys taught me about that. Yes. Yeah. Right. That's where I got it from. I, I have it three times a day. Yeah. It is like one of my key butter in it too. Or just the, no, just the SCT. And I put some, I, I go in and I, I hate to say formula. I pick my own protein powder. So I design my own blend. Right. So I, cause I'm a big animal protein. Yeah. and I do the beef protein isolate with a little bit of collagen, and it's a chocolate brownie natural flavored. Man, that is all I put in there together. Really? Oh, my gosh, brother. It is like. You got to give me that recipe. I'll give it to you for sure. I learned that about SCT oils. I mean, I knew about them, but really learned about the boys on that as well. But the coffee is very good. Water is obviously killer. Yeah. And then it's more importantly is we can't run around being terrified of toxins, right? Because they're all around us and we're getting it always is reducing the toxins. So, you know, washing your vegetables, right? Getting the pesticides off, rinsing your fruit, doing things like that, clean water. You know, that's some of the ways that we can start to reduce the toxicity because your body can get by with and make do in certain areas. Fasting is very obviously good for the liver, but your liver is actually really good. I was going to go there. It was fantastic. I was going to bring that up next about what is it that eating liver is, why is that so good for us, and what kind of effect does it have on the actual liver? Well, it's so, so high in things like iron and minerals, vitamins, and it's so densely packed with those. That's why in nature a lot of animals, the first organ they'll eat is the liver. Yeah. And if they're well-fed, they'll just eat the liver and they'll leave the rest because it's so dense and it's so good for you. and iron is good for you too especially people that are anemic or they're maybe low on iron or they're not you know maybe they're they're not metabolizing or they're not absorbing a lot of supplements liver is really the way to go like my little my little boy or my wife had a little boy uh he doesn't like meat i don't think it's meat he's just texture he's real funny he's certain things he likes but we can get any bolognese really yeah because it's not this the meat thing is like it's a texture thing yeah color thing kids are fickle i was the same way Yeah, so we'll actually get ground meat with some liver ground in it, like organ meat, because it's so high. Or in smoothies, especially if you do a berry smoothie where you can hide it, you can take the beef liver capsules and just empty them out. Yes. That's how we get our little boy, a lot of those essential minerals and proteins and irons, is through liver pills. Yeah, that's amazing. So that's a good little hack. I have the force of nature ancestral meats is what I do. So I always get the liver and heart in there. It is so damn good. Yeah. I literally do that five days a week, man. I did the no fat thing. And I'm a nutritionist, but I had an eating disorder. And I was terrified of fats till about a year and a half ago. Like right before I met you, I started changing my diet. And I'm telling you, man, that the higher fat diets, I will argue the low fat diets what gave me some of the heart ailments that I had. a lot of the problems that I was having that are like night and day different now that shit that is in low-fat foods I want you to talk about that what do they put in fat-free and low-fat foods to make them low-fat and they strip all the nutrients out by doing that yeah they strip them out and then you've got certain preservatives and then binders and then you've got gums yeah right to bring it together the preservatives are we think about it you're putting a man-made chemical into an organic material to prevent it from spoiling which is a natural thing and that has the same effect when it's in your organs, right? It'll gum up and stall and forego the process of your body doing this actual functionality. So you've got those, then you've got obviously the pesticides in those and some of these are chemicals, so the liver doesn't understand them as well. And then you've got, and then they've taken out other, because you need other things to counteract things. It's like juice, if it's got pulp in it, the pulp produces the enzyme to break the sugar down so you don't get the glycemic index spikes and everything you do. But if you take a juice and you have no pulp in it, you've taken out the good bit and left basically the diabetes bit. I didn't know that. So you need the pulp as part of that equation. That's why if you eat fruit, you don't have that problem because you're getting all the pulp. I like the juice with the pulp better than anything. I always want heavy pulp. Yeah, and molecularly, the sugar molecule and alcohol molecule are almost identical and they cause about the same damage. Right. so I was with this top hepatologist in London having lunch and this little kid would cruise by and he had like a juice box and the hepatologist used to see that juice box right there and I see a kid, he said, yeah would you let that kid have a beer? I go, of course not ridiculous question and he says, well that juice box is causing as much damage, he's just not getting his drunk but because it's filled with high fructose corn syrup and preservatives and E-colors which are fake food colorings as well that'll cause maybe even more damage so i remember that i was really kind of like it kind of blew me away i was never thought about it that way because you don't you don't think about it you wouldn't no matter what you buy always turn the box around and look at it too yeah one of the ways that they hide artificial things is sometimes natural flavorings i hate that and sometimes they're real yeah you gotta look at who the company is my wife's nutritionist too so she's on it oh natural flavors like but sometimes they are natural flavorings so we will research the company it's Okay, they are, but that's a mask that they hide it in. And then they strip things out. And, you know, they, I mean, here's a great example. So you look at the tobacco industry. And the tobacco industry was obviously under a lot of fire. And they were going through all the stuff they were going through. And they couldn't put more, they weren't allowed to put more nicotine in the cigarettes. It was like, oh, we can't put more nicotine. How do we make them more addictive? Put a chemical in the cigarette that opens up your receptors to where more nicotine gets into the blood. So you're altering your basically blood chemistry in order for more nicotine to get into the body to crave it more. They made a great movie about it actually with Russell Crowe and Al Pacino and about how this huge expose. And he was like the most complex scientist molecular level you could think of. And that's what they did. Well, if we can't put more nicotine in it, we'll just put other chemicals to alter it. And remember, if you follow the trail, all the tobacco companies bought big food. So the same people that were manipulating our genes and our body chemistry to make the cigarettes more addictive have done that with sugar and with preservatives and like msgs and all these things to where you crave certain stuff and then you get like mcdonald's who are the masters have figured out you know this type of chemical cheese releases this many opiates right it's queso i think it's called a queso opiate it's basically a form of like a which is an opiates and morphines and yeah in the cheese but we trigger it to where you need some salt and sugar so we sugar the fries and then you get the salt from the fries and then you get the sugar and high fructose corn syrup from the coke and you just have this amazing euphoric effect that's why when you eat it like you know it tastes really good when you eat it yeah but when you get done your body's like my god well you know that was terrible but they've you know they're playing tricks on your biochemistry and your liver to make them more addictive and then trying to trick your brain into making it think you know you're getting like almost a high for it and that's what they do and so they're doing that with with these with the foods as well so processed foods so the best thing is just do as natural as you can yeah it's better eat less and eat natural i know it's expensive but there's farmers markets there's things you can do you know you can eat less and eat things that always turn the back of the packet amazon's another great not amazon is actually a whole foods which is now owned by amazon but whole foods used to be when it was started in austin And it was amazing. And it was a great place to go and to try to get away from all this crap food and this manipulative food and industrial complex. And it slowly started to lose a little bit of that as they got bigger. And obviously, they follow the money and it got bigger, bigger. But it was still generally really good. Fast forward to about 24 months after Amazon bought it. You go back and even just go get like the chicken salad from the deli, right? You think this is fresh. You look at the ingredient list or the bread. it is filled with chemicals now because it's it's more profitable it's more addictive people eat more of it it's cheaper to make it lasts longer all these things so they get even like a great company like whole foods has been totally corrupted but just so i always just look at them it's easy we can all do that just look at the back of the pack yeah what does it say there are things that are hidden you know for instance like you know how mcdonald's washes the meat and ammonia the manufacturing process so it's not an ingredient so there are ways that they hide stuff in there but Now, we can't run around being, like I said, being stressed, obsessive, but just turn the packet over. Okay, if it's natural, it's going to be pretty good for your liver. Right. And it's going to be pretty, generally pretty good for you in moderation. You know, too much sugar, obviously, is not good. But fats are incredibly essential. It's right, like in the morning for breakfast, you know, the best thing to eat is to have, if you don't fast or your first meal, you're breaking your fast, breakfast, or it's a 12 if you're doing intermittent, is you want protein and fat. yeah absolutely not dessert and like cereals and pancakes that's like dessert food yeah so you want to go fat protein yeah which is what absolutely I mean that's what we evolved to run around to do is we lived off of fat and protein and then you supplement with with some fresh fruits and some nuts and some berries and veg and I love vegetables right Randall hates vegetables you were talking about vegetables yeah really funny I love vegetables too so I love vegetables my wife loved vegetables you know but just Protein, fat, vegetables, clean water, drink. Don't stress. That's the best thing you can do for your liver. I don't. Long answer. Yeah, no, no, no. That's phenomenal. I don't eat a breakfast, so to speak. But when I leave for a morning walk, I want something. So I go straight for the yogurt that I have protein powder in. But I used to eat that fat-free bullshit yogurt. And when I switched to the full-fat yogurt, so that's what I have in the morning, full-fat yogurt with some blueberries, and the protein powder. So it's full of protein because I got the protein from the Greek yogurt and the powder, the fat from the yogurt, and then a little bit of the berries for a little bit of carb and the good. And the antioxidants. Yes, and the antioxidants, which is what I want in the morning. And your gut biome loves you. That's right. Yogurts, kefir, sauerkrauts, kimchi. Yes. All those are so good for your gut biome. Yes. And so I wait for coffee for about two hours till I'm up because I don't want to have caffeine right away. So I do that and then I go walk for like 40 minutes. I do like three miles of walking, then come home and have the coffee. But I've gotten the good fuel already. I can't eat early in the morning for some reason. It just doesn't sit right with me. But the fat and the protein is so important. I'm so glad you said that. Man, I'm telling you, the years of fearing fat and now to what I've seen, the way that it's changed, and I'm going to relate that now to what I wanted to bring up to you about my liver. So I want to talk about, I'm going to relate what you tested on me to what you do. So for people that don know you go do your tests at a lot of the big biohacking conventions amongst your clinics that you do But we get into that the fiber scan what it tests why it important And then I'm going to correlate that into the scores I got. And we'll go over my scores. I put them on my phone so that I could see the evolution of them. But so what, first of all, let's talk about the liver clinic. Yeah. And then we'll get into the fiber scan and what it is and why it's so important. But what is the liver clinic? so once again diagnostics was never a goal of ours but you know we spend very much about evidence and data driven and evidence-based but i've got a good balance between left brain brain and right brain is we were doing clinical studies i spent close to 20 million on clinical research and stuff and studies to do the product to create deliverance and we were doing all these tests and i was learning more about fatty liver and we were relying on what everybody was relying on which is your blood biomarkers for the liver. You get your panel done and it looks at cholesterol and it looks at kidney function and the liver panel. And we were saying, so it doesn't, more than we realized it, we're like, actually, liver panel and a blood test isn't telling you if you've got a fatty liver. If your liver enzymes are off, that could be indicative of inflammation or liver problem. It could be, but it doesn't tell you. So we said, well, let's start scanning people. So we did ultrasounds and we still to this day use all the technologies. ultrasound, but ultrasound will just say fatty or not fatty, not specific enough. It's good if you're trying to find a tumor. It's inexpensive and it's quick. And then we did MRIs, but MRIs are very expensive. They're very uncomfortable. If you're claustrophobic, they're a nightmare. We had a patient the other day, a real bad patient, we had to do MRI for confirmation and we had to give him a lorazepam because you get claustrophobia. So MRI is not a great experience. CAT scan is not specific enough so we generally use mri's fibro scan which i love which is the fibro scan is uh the technologies it's called shear wave elastography and what it is is it uses sound and vibrations and it pulses into the liver and because the liver is the healthier the liver is the softer and squishier it is yeah it sends these vibrations through and then as it reverberates right so it's like you kind of like smack like a smack to bum right like it jiggles yeah your liver does that But we're doing it with pulses of sound and vibrations. And with that, depending on how quick the sound moves and the vibration moves to the liver, we can tell how much fat there is and how much scarring or stiffness there is. Because if it's inflamed or it's scarred, you can do that. So it's this incredible technology. 4,000 papers. It's used all over the world. So I really fell in love with fiber scanning. Yeah. There's other companies that use SureWave now, but this is the French brand, which is really high quality, which I like. So we started doing that. We started comparing the data. We're like, okay, let's see. All these people have fatty liver disease with Fibroscan. We went and confirmed it with MRI, but their blood tests are fine. So we realized that's why 90% of people with fatty liver disease don't know they have it. And we've had people that have come in and thought they had fatty liver disease. I'm like, okay, well, how do you, what gave you this conclusion or how were you diagnosed with it? They're like, oh, my liver panel is off. Liver panel is not going to tell you if it's off because at the end of the day, it's a lagging indicator. and you just might have had an infection. You might have been bit by a spider. You might have had to flu point. There's a million things that could do it. So it's just, it's a one snapshot in time. And it could be indicative of liver damage or liver stress, but it's not going to tell you you're a fatty liver and vice versa. Some people think they do and they don't. And so we said, how do we, there's a great Hindu saying, and it's how do you wake somebody up that doesn't know they're asleep? And so how do we let all these people know if their liver is healthy or if it's not healthy because they're getting a very small amount of data from a blood test. So we got into the fibrous scanning. And then we said, okay, Mayo Clinic has fibrous scans. And in London where we're based, the government, because this is socialized medicine, we said, okay, we want to start setting patients for a scan. And they said, yeah, it's about a one to two year wait list. Like, oh my goodness. And then it was okay. but to even get on the wait list your blood panel has to be off and then if your blood panel is off they send you home and then you come back and get another blood panel and then if that's off they send you for an ultrasound because it's cheaper and then even to get one I'm like so we need to bring this to the public because this technology is great, everybody uses it Harvard, Cornell University of London, ASU, all the great hepatologists have it but they use this technology for sick people that are already sick so they said well this technology it's relatively inexpensive it's quick to do it's so safe you can do if you're pregnant if you've got a pacemaker the software is so intuitive that operator error is very difficult like mri the end of the day is only as good as the the level of mri but really the person uh doing it reading it yeah the review because that's what's so key that's where ai is actually very effective to be used to also do diagnostics on an mri report and so we went into fiber scanning and just love it. So you can go and like we're going to Atlanta to this really prestigious country club this week. I'm going to give a lecture to the members, to all the who's who of Atlanta. And then we do a scan day. So we pop up, we rock up with the machine and we'll scan the members and we'll do one every 10 minutes. And they come in, they pull their shirt up. So I just love it because it's so easy. So we've democratized it by, instead of it sitting this piece of kit for people that are sick, we want to give it to everybody because we want to prevent you from getting sick so everybody should get the screen and you can see where you're at and you'll know where you're at and it's gold standard as far as effectiveness and then if we see something really bad then you go get an MRI and I remember the Echosense people they're the ones that make FibroScan they're like okay what's your patient pathway for this chronic illness I said well we're not scanning sick people like what do you mean no scanning sick people they couldn't get their head around it I said we're going to be scanning the 90% of people that are not yet sick so we can prevent them from getting sick so we're going to just be scanning scanning people en masse before because I practice root cause medicine or functional medicine and is preventing you from getting ill I love this quote I say it but you always ask and I'll ask it I'll be doing a lecture maybe at school or at a room and I'll say when did Noah build the ark and people like before the flood, before the flood, like before the rain. And that's really what functional medicine and root cause medicine is. Before it even starts raining. That's right. You need to be ready. That's right. And so that's why we really got into the fiber scanning. And, but there was no where to send our patients. So we just said, well, we're just gonna have to open up our own clinics. Yeah. So, and then what we wanted to do is we partner with existing clinics. We say, listen, how'd you like us to come in? will be your liver clinic within your clinic. We'll provide the machines. We'll have the training. And if they are sick, we'll help take care of them and then refer them to a pathologist or an endocrinologist or an MRI, you know, so, but to screen everybody to do that. So we did that. And then we were here and we called up Mayo and we said, you know, can you do a cash pay for a fibro scan? They're like, yeah, $1,400. Oh, okay. Well, we'd like to start sending you patients. I said, well, they have to be a patient of ours for us to even do that as a cash pay and we'd like to get a referral and you don't need a referral or prescription to get a fiber scan no um but mayo was not interested in them unless they were sick or they would become a mayo patient they'd be going to the mayo system i'm like i can't send you 200 patients a month to get fiber scans cash pay and they're like no okay i guess we have to start a clinic so we started clinics in the states and then we partner with existing clinics so we do pop-ups because some doctor's offices maybe We don't have that many patients. Yeah. So we'll move around. But then we have static clinics. We have partnerships within clinics. And then we have our own as well. But it's, yeah, you couldn't even, I mean, we couldn't send people to do it. So people can come to you now for cash pay if they want in person? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Well, we have several in LA. We've got one in Lake Nona with, I don't know if you know, there's a show percenter there. It's amazing. We have a partnership with them in this huge center there. We've got a couple of New York roaming them up all the time and we do pop-ups and road shows, but the scanning is so key into shows. You've seen it. We're so busy at the shows. We have to have two scanners, two doctors, two people, nurses doing the scans or texts and people love it because it's quick. It's easy. It's, we charge anywhere from three to 500 bucks depending on it. So it's, you know, a third of what Mayo charges. Right. And, but the other side of the equation is if you've got fatty liver disease, right, which is 40% of the population, they don't give you a solution. They just say, well, we'll go on a diet or try to exercise more. If you go to John Hopkins right now or Mayo's website, they'll say there's no treatment for it. Just make these changes. But if you've got stage 3 fatty liver disease, a diet will take you years. Yeah, I was going to say. But we already have the solution. We started with the solution with deliverance. So deliverance, we reverse fatty liver in usually three months, six months on the outside. So then we're like, okay, well, we've got the solution now we need to let people know they have it and you tie the two together we're so effective at what we do from optimizing liver function that we say go get a scan or a blood test with us or with anybody take the product and then in 90 days test you again yeah we're like we hang our hat on evidence and we always say if we haven't affected your biomarkers within six months i'll treat you until we do right i can make that that you know uh you know it's a braggadocious claim only because we're so effective to do that but so the diagnostics came later now they tie into each other and a lot of people it's funny they don't want to get a scan because they're worried like i'm nervous i'm like listen don't worry you're gonna have two results both will be positive one your liver is healthy and you've got nothing to worry about so you know you can kick your heels and cruise on with your day and have a lovely time or we found something we're gonna put a plan together and fix it. Because generally, if you do have a liver problem or a set liver disease or a major liver issue, you're not aware of it until it's very severe. There's not a lot of nerve endings in the liver. You don't feel the liver. And most of the symptoms of fatty liver disease are not easily recognizable because of busy lifestyles like brain fog, weight gain, bad sleep. A lot of other things cause that. But those are the three big first indicators of it as well. giving solutions to people is key because if you know we wouldn't be doing the scans and we didn't have the solution as much because then you know you don't want to just say oh you've got an issue you know it was like you gotta give somebody a plan and that's why first plan we tell people is alright let's look at your nutrition let's change that it doesn't cost you money to give somebody good advice we don't charge for that you know just here's some good foods to eat here's what not to eat here's conscious choices we can make here's these things to do you also have this situation where most of the people with fatty liver disease are actually poor people or people that are economically deprived and the reason being is because they can't afford maybe the as healthy a food or the fresh meats so they're consuming cheap calories and cheap calories tend to be more chemicals made and filled with preservatives and bad grade meat and basically so they're suffering it's very unfair because the people that can that can afford medical or health or wellness the least are getting the sickest because they're eating the cheapest food, and the cheapest food is causing the most damage. Right. So we try to do outreach programs, and we'll go into neighborhoods and scan people. It was one of the things I was talking to Dr. Malone about at the inauguration is you connect with this group in the Mexican border. We go into these areas because ethnicities, too, Hispanics, will get fatty liveries much quicker than Caucasians will. And they have no idea what they're happening, but they're getting diabetes, and they're putting on a lot of weight and they're getting coronary disease and they're getting heart attacks. And a lot of it's because of the food they're eating, but it's giving them fatty liver disease and the fatty liver disease is causing those conditions. So the foundation of metabolic disease is fatty liver. The foundation of diabetes is fatty liver. So it starts with fatty liver. I mean, it starts with what we eat, but then fatty liver is this, you can stop it here and turn it around here. downstream you're going to lower the chances of type 2 diabetes cardiovascular disease, metabolic disease, liver cancer NASH, all the things that come down it. We all have our roles to play in this. Yours is letting the world know about all these different amazing health people that you speak to and this fountain of knowledge. Mine is to focus on the liver. You've got guys like Hyman and God bless the Jeffrey Bland that's out there talking you know start with the food what we're putting in that's why a lot of what needs to be done in this country is really is educating the children now it's all education man yeah and it's free yeah there's a custody money now somebody's that's where it starts it's it's it's gotta be teaching people the right things that it really does and then it's a trickle down from there absolutely and you shouldn't charge people for that no no that's why we do this you know that's fun several things to touch on that you said you know i was one of those that i thought for sure when I came to you because my liver enzymes have been messed up for so long. I had a fiber scan done, but it didn't give me the numbers and stuff that you had. It was something my doctor would recommend. I didn't even know what the hell it was. You know, at the time I came home from vacation in Florida and my, I can't remember now if it was ALT or AST, but one was 290 and the other one was 201. You want those to be like in the twenties. Yeah, exactly. At least in the forties, but yes, in the twenties, right? I had prior steroid use, so I had times where they were in the 70s and 80s, but I knew how to get them right back down. So I get back and I'm like, what on earth is happening here? Go to my doctor. Oh, they're slightly elevated. And I was like, brother, you know, like I kept it to myself and I got home and I told my wife, what the fuck does he mean? These are slightly elevated. This is out of control. So then, you know, that takes time to get down. And then progressively over the next three months, it was down to like 130 and 90, which is still way too high. Drastic drop. So, you know, and then I started to make the change from all the low fat foods and everything and into more fat, fatty friendly foods and change the whole structure of my diet. And then when I came to you, it was April of 25. Yeah. And that's the first scan I got with you. You told me it was tremendous. I got my number here and it says that I was cap 222 and that EKPA was 3.0. Yeah. And so then I came back to you and that was at eudaimonious. That was in November. Yep. And then I was down to 173 and 2.3. Which is incredible. That's optimal. Is it? Yeah. That's blue zone. Okay. Yeah. So, well, then let's talk about that. One, what do these mean, the two numbers? And for a drop like that in five, six months, what would cause a drop like that to put me in a more optimal zone? So we can tell people, like, what are some potential things that could do that? And then I can tell you, okay, I did some of that stuff. So I'll start with the numbers. So the two numbers, the main things that we're looking at with the FibroScan is we're looking for percentage of fat or steatosis and how much is in there. And you want it to be between about 150 and 250 is green. I consider anything under 200 to be optimal. Okay. Because you need some. Under 250, you've basically got less than 10% of your liver has fat. That change within it. Not percentage of it's fat, but there's percentage of your liver that's fatty, and you need fat in there. Yeah. That's good. I mean, glycans, the energy you get is little balls of fat, basically. Right, right. Then it's a slippery slope. Then if you go from like 250 to 260, your fatty liver, and then you're like in the 30 percentile, and then 270, your fatty liver disease, and then above 280, you've got stage 2 fatty liver disease, and all kinds of problems come after that. Right. And the other thing that's looking at is stiffness. Remember I said the softer and squishier the liver is, the better it is because the liver is, you know, it gets bigger and it gets smaller. It grows by 40%. So if you had a big meal and broke it down, it would grow by 40%. Yeah, it's huge. and then it'll come back. So you want it to be very precipitous, very flowy and soft and squishy. But if it starts to get stiffer, that can be signs of inflammation and that can be signs of scarring and a sluggish liver. So that's why we're measuring stiffness to the KPA or kilopascals, mathematical term, but is essentially how stiff it is. Stiff it is, okay. Yeah, so your stiffness was actually pretty good. It's an auspicious number, but it is actually more, it's the higher range, but it's within the green, and that can fluctuate, you know. Yeah, of course. It does, and it will, but you then had a dramatic reduction. Right. So we looked at it again. It was much softer, much squishier, and your liver fat was low, good low, you know, as well. And, you know, one of the things that you were doing, which is paramount, and this is so important for healing or for health or people with cancer, is you now have a brain connection with your liver you're acknowledging your liver you're taking care of it and you're also starting to like manifest in the way that your liver gets healthier because you're now connected with this organ that you didn't know what it did or before that's really important so the most important part of health and healing is your mindset and your connection so i just joke you you have you ever met a hypochondriac that doesn't get sick all the time Yeah, it's true. Yeah. So that was happening. And then I would say, you know, your exercise is probably good, water intake, and you're eating probably cleaner foods and cleaner foods. So, you know, proteins, fats, vegetables, fruits, and getting out things that are synthetic or man-made or processed. And that should have, those things definitely should have been part of the reduction of it as well. But you are in the green, so you'll bounce around within the green, but you went from green to what I would consider blue or optimal, which is kind of like a, like probably when you're 12 years old, right? Like a super healthy liver. It hasn't been, you know, put through all the processes and abuse and substances that it's happened with. But, you know, and your liver's regenerating. So your liver, when you were having those high ALT and AST markers, your liver was inflamed. That's why those markers were high. And what an ALT or AST is, it's an enzyme and we're mapping, if there's a lot of those enzymes, it means your liver's under stress. Yeah. And your liver was damaged so your liver was also healing and regenerating this whole time as well so in the background your liver was repairing and as it was repairing its functionality got better and as its functionality got better excess fat was gone and also the stiffness got uh lower so it became softer so your your liver was on this healing journey it was probably whenever you came back and you might have picked up a parasite or you might have picked a bacteria when you were traveling in the ocean and everything. So all kinds of things in there could have been causing that stress. So your liver was repairing and healing. You had the brain-spirit connection with your liver as well. And then I would imagine just that alone would do it, but you probably made some dietary changes as well. And especially if you're eating, like you said, a fat-free yogurt versus a regular one. So all those things are kind of contributing. It's a culmination of things. Can overtraining or training too much cause stress and strain on the liver too? Yeah, of course. Oxidative stress and inflammation. Oxidative stress causes inflammation. Inflammation causes more oxidative stress. And then we get in this vicious cycle as well. Would you say that what age would you recommend people go in and do a fiber scan? Should they do it early? Well, so there's some factors in there. If they don't have their gallbladder, then they should definitely get scanned once a year. Okay. That's a big thing. Gender-wise, specifically, about two-thirds of people with fatty liver disease are men, one-third are women. It's the opposite of Alzheimer's. So it can affect men more as well. It does, two-thirds. If they've been on a lot of pharmaceuticals, I would say they check more. If they've been on a really bad diet, they were. If they're obese, 90% of people that are obese will have fatty liver disease. 70% of type 2 diabetics will have fatty liver disease. And one's causing the other. Fatty liver disease is making the obese worse. But interestingly, it sounds like a confusing number, but just think about it. So if you're obese, you have a 90% chance of having fatty liver disease. But of the 2 billion people in the world with fatty liver disease, half of them are not obese. So 50% of people with fatty liver disease are thin. So just because you're thin doesn't... Your ethnicity can have a lot to do with it. So if you're South Asian, much higher percentage chance of it. A Latin American, Hispanic, has a higher chance of fatty liver disease, much higher because of genetic predisposition and how they store glycans and fats. So those are factors to look at as well. But if you're obese, definitely you want to get scanned. If you're a man between 40 and 65 years old, about 70% of them have fatty liver. If you've got high cholesterol, it could be because another one of the things the liver does not only it creates cholesterol it breaks cholesterol down it stores them as well fatty liver you'll have more bad cholesterol which is ldl and less hdl which is your good cholesterol and then you have more triglycerides and more of those is what leads to plaque buildup which can lead to a you know coronary disease and plaque buildup in the arteries and things like that too so certain ethnicities no gallbladder obese pre-diabetic shit lifestyle or if you're older you're just going to have a higher percentage chance of that because you accumulate liver fat even though you might have had an okay diet you're just accumulating more and more and more and that starts to build up and the fattier the liver is your ability to break fat down so if you go eat a really fatty steak or anything any fat that you consume 70 of that broken down by the liver so the liver can break your fats down as well if it not functioning as well I want to talk about alcohol and the liver and how much of a contributing factor that is in comparison to other things that we've been talking about. First of all, talk about the negative impact that alcohol can have in general, just like one drink and then over time prolonged use. And then how is it in relation to being like the number one factor for liver disease in general? Tylenol is number one for liver. Exactly. Yeah. So where does it fall in line? So 70% of liver disease is non-alcohol related now. Really? Yeah. So that's another thing. I can't tell you. Thousands of times I've asked people about a scan that, oh, I don't drink. 70% of people with liver disease don't drink. So that is, you know, that's one of the things that people don't understand. And that's like a big misnomer that people realize just because you don't drink or do drink, obviously you're going to have more of a risk of liver disease if you drink than if you don't drink, but if you don't drink, it doesn't mean you're out of the woods. At the end of the day, alcohol is toxic. You drink one drink and your liver, if it's functioning well, it will break it down. That's why you don't really get a nice little feel, but you don't get too much. But if you start to overwhelm it, you're causing more and more damage and the liver can't break it down as quick, so the repair, the damage is outweighing the repair and it's causing that. When you drink alcohol, your liver produces these enzymes to break alcohol down and metabolize it and convert it as part of the detoxification process. The byproduct of that is actually what's super toxic. And that's really what gives you a lot of the toxicity aspects as well as the byproduct. Just like eating protein. So when you eat protein, your liver breaks the protein down. The byproduct of that is ammonia. That's why if you've got a bad liver that's not functioning very well and you're eating a lot of protein, you start to get too much ammonia and even too much ammonia in your blood it can break down your blood brain barrier which allows more toxins into the brain and ammonia can actually cause brain damage so that's there's a whole connection with the brain and that as well so different things have byproducts it's like a waste material wow and the waste material from alcohol or is incredibly toxic as well and you know alcohol also can cause inflammation um obviously it causes liver damage the byproduct of breaking it down causes liver damage um and that's why you start to you don't think as properly when you're drunk yeah because you're toxic right and the toxicity is affecting your brain so it has those effects as well and i'm a you know i'm a proponent of i think a glass of wine or light drinking if you can keep it cool and drink water with it or take a deliverance or take a milk thistle or in low amounts because it de-stresses you is actually good and you laugh more if you're drinking but it's very difficult to control that. So alcohol does cause damage for sure and too much of it can cause a lot of damage. There's two camps for drinking a glass of red wine every day which is a low amount has benefits for the resveratrol and heart health and all that too. Some people, I like that, some people don't but it is at the end of the day it's toxic for you but your body can deal with a lot of toxicity as well but alcohol is, you know, there's all kinds of negative effects of alcohol, not only on the physiology, but on inflammation and on the brain, letting more toxicity in. There's a whole spiritual aspect of it as well. I mean, because remember, you know, the way they call it, you know, beer, wine, and spirits. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Spirits was a term that came out because when people drink too much like heavy alcohol, like gin or vodka, because it's so concentrated, some people are crazy. and it also lowers your spiritual guard so more people could be I think possessed at that aspect and they call it spirits because it would allow evil spirits into you really? And evil spirits would come out because people would act like I never knew what the hell that meant that's about spirits because they thought in medieval times and actually it's probably correct it would allow more evil spirits in and more spirits come out of you well yeah even in the bible it's not to be a drunkard and not drink to your drunk Yeah, and I love a glass of wine, but I don't drink to get drunk. I drink to relax or just to chill or to go with food, but never to get drunk. Alcohol, you know, think about it. That's why they call it spirits. So they thought there was evil spirits in the bottle. Because you'd be like, well, he drank this bottle with this alcohol, and he turned into a madman, or he became evil or he became abusive, or all the negatives that can come with drinking in excess. Besides physiological damage, psychological damage, emotional damage, the damage you do to other people. I mean, they got much abuse and things that come out of people that have been drinking too much. And, you know, bad decisions and, you know, and the other side of the coin and like doses, you can have fun and laugh with your friends and it can be silly. Yeah. But it's not for everybody. And, you know, is it better to drink and not to drink? Of course, it's better not to drink. It does cause a lot of damage. But, you know, if you tell people don't drink, don't drink more. You have to just, these are the dangers of drinking. These are the dangers of this. You know, weigh things out accordingly. if you are going to have a drink drink a lot of water make sure it's high quality yeah whatever you do don't mix it with tylenol don't mix with pharmaceuticals you know don't make her there and like if you're antibiotics and you drink alcohol not only have you destroyed the antioxidant the antibiotic the good it's doing yeah but you're causing liver damage right so it's you know it's it's a very uh it's playing with fire to a degree yeah the best thing that i always tell people is look dude do whatever you want i'm just going to tell you what it does and it's up to you i'm not I'm going to tell you don't do it. Here's the facts. You run with it however the hell you want to run with it. I would recommend not, though. Yeah. So if, for instance, if you haven't drank for years and then you have one drink and you notice the one drink really hit you as opposed to before it wouldn't, is that because your liver is not recognizing it and not breaking this down as well? Or why does that happen? Well, your tolerance has changed. So your threshold for that, because it's not producing the enzyme that breaks alcohol down as much. Okay. We have less of them. So, okay. That's why like Aborigines, Native Americans and certain Asiatic cultures get drunk really quick. Yeah. Because their liver is not producing that enzyme because it didn't need it because Aborigines haven't drank for thousands of years. Like Europeans have. So they don't have that enzyme or genetic, maybe a genetic differential where they don't have as much of it. So there's lack of it. So if you're not drinking for a while, you'll stop producing that enzyme and your liver will say, well, let's produce an enzyme because maybe he's eating a lot of fatty foods. So we need to produce more of the enzyme that breaks the fats down. or the yoga is through less of it. And also a high tolerance is actually usually indicative of liver damage. Right. So people that have a really high tolerance probably actually have more of a damaged liver. You would think, oh, well, if my liver is damaged, I should feel it more. It's the opposite. It kind of numbs it to a degree. And then you have the effect of brain chemistry and how it tastes. Like if you haven't drank in a long time and you have a drink, you're like, ew. Once again, it doesn't taste good. And that's your brain telling you it's bad. But if you start drinking, your pleasure centers and those serotonin, those chemicals are like, yeah, but you feel really good. And then it's like tells your taste buds to be quiet. Yeah, exactly. Now, when I was in my 20s, I mean, I was partying four and five days a week, and I stopped drinking completely. So if me and Queenie would go on a vacation, I'd have a drink, maybe one a year or two, and I'm just like, I'd tell her after half a one, because I drink Brian Martin and other rocks. And I was like, okay, that's what I'm going to have. Yeah. Bad idea. Bad idea. I was having trouble walking back to the freaking car on half a drink. And I used to have five, six, seven of them at a time. No problem. But I feel better knowing that I don't drink anymore. Yeah. And you'll never shut that enzyme off to it. And your body's also telling you you're thriving right now by not drinking. It's, this is what's going to happen. Your body's also speaking to you. Right. It's like eating the fast food when you have it for years. and it's just, I mean, you end up making you feel bad either way, but if you haven't for years and then you have it, it's just like, what did I just do? It's just a horrible feeling. Funny because the anticipation of certain fast foods, like the best, like the most pleasure is the anticipation of it, right when you eat it, and then you spend the rest of the time regretting it. It's like the freaking commercial sells you on it. That's why you're programmed to do it. Yeah. So, okay, I want to get, because we haven't talked about deliverance yet, And I want to get into the product itself. And so for people watching, you know, me and my wife both got sick last week and you sent me a bunch right away. So I want to talk to you about one, you know, the benefits on the liver. But why would you send it to me when I'm just sick in general? Because I mean, I know why, but tell everybody else why, because of the consumption of what's in it and everything. But how does it work and why is it so beneficial when you're sick, especially? The livers were the most important organs for your immune system. And deliverance was built off of three pillars. And I didn't want to do like a lot of supplement companies do and say, well, I'm going to make one for your brain, one for your immune inflammation, and one for your liver. So we combined them all together. It's called deliverance because it's my deliverance from losing loved ones to liver disease. And deliverance means to take you from evil to good or to set you free from a bad thing. Love it. why it's used in church a lot or it's a great great biblical there's a lot of meaning there's a lot of meaning in everything we we do especially i do and and and all these deep deep essences of it but that's the name but it's a combination of all these things and the reason it took 18 years of rnd is i would do a clinical study and then i would do i would look at the results and then i would change the formula and then i would i formulate based off of evidence and science rather than just you know and i probably was younger we just come out with a great formula and sell it and okay feedback's good yeah no no no that now we we go tie everything to test and blood test and scans and what are the most important things to optimize liver function okay so oxygenation in the blood how we're dealing with parasites how we're dealing with um inflammation how we're dealing with antioxidants how we're dealing with free radicals how we're dealing with uh neuropathways and neurotransmission etc first symptom of fatty liver disease is brain fog and as we were saying the connection between if your liver is not functioning as well your brain isn't functioning as well. Your cognitive function is less. So I put a nootropic in it to make you think a lot clearer and faster. And we put different types of anti-inflammatories in it because I'm trying to get you out of that cycle of I've got oxidative stress, which is causing inflammation and inflammation is causing oxidative stress. And a lot of great practitioners and doctors will tell you that chronic inflammation is the source of most disease. So we put in a lot of different anti-inflammatories and we put really high amounts of bioavailable antioxidants. It's not, it's qualities. I'm a quality, not quantity person. Yeah, absolutely. So the quality and how it's being absorbed and the bioabsorption, how it's going into the bloodstream and then how are we making the blood flow around increasing metabolism, more oxygen in the blood. So it's a combination of optimizing liver function. That's the one pillar. Then the other two pillars that are holding this up is the brain neurotropic, making you think clearer and faster. And then antioxidants, anti-inflammatories. And that's why we have such amazing results by people that take it. Usually because of the nanotechnology that we use, you start to feel the mental clarity really quick. Yeah. And within weeks, your skin and your hair improves because your liver is also in charge of your skin and your hair. The largest organ in the body is your skin. Your largest internal organ is your liver. And most skin conditions are actually under the skin and they're like icebergs. Most of it you don't see. and if your liver is really healthy, more collagen, more blood, less free radicals, more antioxidants, is your skin looks better. So your skin and hair start to glow, start to lose a little bit of weight because of your metabolizing liver fat better. Yeah. And then if you look at biomarkers, it helps with cholesterol, fatty liver, etc. But in your scenario, obviously I wanted you to get the benefit of it for the mental clarity, but okay, you're sick, so your body is now dealing with probably some inflammation, it's got a lot of oxidative stress and you've probably got a bunch of free radicals cruising around. We didn't go into whether it was viral or it was an infection, but either way, we need your immune system and your inner little soldiers to be fighting as good as they can. So by taking two or three of these a day, I'm giving you lots of antioxidants, which is like ammo to get rid of free radicals. I'm lowering your inflammation and I'm increasing your powerhouse of your immune system, which is your liver. The liver is the hero in this whole thing. We just support the hero. right and that's why i said take more because you know that's why you more juice more sunshine all these things less stress but i was like you know just relax let's just chill right because you know anything you can do to get your immune system because your your body is fighting a battle internally it's under attack and you need it to prevail right so it's a combination of all those you know positive energy and sunshine and nutritious food and chicken soup and collagen and protein and good fats and deliverance. And it was, you know, you needed all these things to love. Obviously, loving yourself, your wife loving you, you loving your wife, you know, all these things are going to get you healed much, much faster. Excellent. So that's why I sent it to you. I sent you to double up. Yes. Because you love me. Yeah, I do. Yeah, you're doing really good God's work. And I see what you're doing. I feel what you're doing. I know people are affected by what you're doing. So, you know, there's not as many of us as there are the other side. So we have to be all helping each other on this journey. I thoroughly, thoroughly agree, dude. I've told you from the moment we started talking, like how much I love you and appreciate what you do. And we see very, very similarly on so many things. And I love the amount of information that you have and the way you convey it. Because sometimes there's a lot of smart people, but they don't really know how to convey the information well, and they don't make it understandable or fun. And it's really nice to have those conversations. and to get a better understanding that you know this. There's a lot of concepts that you and I both know that have a ton of misconceptions. Just like every, I mean, how many have we already just broached upon on this conversation alone? And I'm sure that's a big battle for you in general that maybe not even a battle, but just something you have to overcome, a little barrier. There's a lot of misconception or lack of understanding on the liver in general. So I appreciate everything that you do. for this product here do you sell it on your website yeah is that the best place to get it so we sell on the website um especially in the uk we're we're a british company but we're now much more in the u.s um high-end pharmacies uh we have partnerships with some of the most amazing hotels like six senses spas and four seasons and uh peninsula um functional medicine doctors integrative medicine so online um or some if your practitioner carries it as well um those are probably the best basis to get it but the quickest is online yeah um and that's you know we it's great because i we got very blessed we got the url that says what we're doing which is love your liver i love that so it's love your liver.com yeah it's awesome and we say love your life right and i think that's one of the things that that is probably the most important things for everybody's health and everybody's happiness and we've been programmed that it's selfish to do this but it's not it's actually selfish not to love yourself yeah the most important person in the world to love is yourself yeah and our ability to love others is only limited by how much we love ourselves so that's the most important you know love god love yourself yeah and then you shine brighter and you can love others and so loving yourself and taking care of yourself so we try to reinforce that in the messaging love your liver you know it loves you it takes care of you love your life and appreciate what you have because it's uh it's like that great i love analogies but you know the oxygen masks in the plane yeah they say if you're with children put it on you first right then your child and instinctive you'd be like well no of course i put my child first but if you're not if you don't have it on you you can't help your child to help anybody else you have to take care of yourself first and then you can take care of those around you and a lot of people in the health industry and doctors and in all kinds of facets of life don't give themselves enough self-love and they need to really to kind of to do that example as well because it's uh yeah so it's paramount. I love that. I love the mentality. I love the faith part into this. I speak on that constantly. And I argue because I talk about mind and body connection, which we know, as you've been discussing here, but I have like a king in the middle and then a side side. So it goes mind, body, but it starts with spirituality at the top. And I think without that, you can't really get, well, actually, I don't think I know you can't have the other two. It just doesn't work. so i appreciate that kind of talk with you too that we can talk about that and relate about it and understand it and implement it and hopefully encourage others to do that if people want to get the fiber scan they can look up clinics to where you're located to come and do it or come to shows that you're going to be at correct yeah and then as we're adding more partnerships like we just partnered with next health okay and they do all this incredible stuff but i'm like what are you doing for liver they're like they're like a blood test like none of those so now we're like going to be opening liver clinics with them okay some of their locations we do the pop-ups we do road shows we're going to be our goal is to have a thousand clinics globally in the next three to four years whoa and but we'll do that by partnering with other doctors as well so like let's collaborate right one of the highest forms of consciousness is collaboration yeah so collaborating with other people but right now you know we've got some clinics in the west coast we got some clinics in new york um and we're opening more and more as well london we've got loads i'm sure um but we're trying to do more and more and get those out and get those going. If we don't have one, we'll help you find one to do as well. Medicare will cover a scan. A lot of private insurance will. You might have to get something else done before it to get the insurance. The insurance industry is going to realize that the best thing for them to do is prevent people from getting sick, but they're so into trying with the drug companies that there's this very nefarious kind of relationship was incestuous but preventing you from getting ill that's the future that's what we say in the UK will save the NHS Bobby Kennedy is very much about that what's happening in this country is the most incredible thing that's happened that's non-political in the last year and a half is what's happening with health and Bobby Kennedy is doing you know so it's not a health is not a political thing children's health is apolitical if you try to bring politics into children's health You're an asshole. I, you know what? I did the vaccine interview recently, and the only reason I did the interview was when I got the data on the children, and I got so pissed off. I said, I don't give a shit what anybody says. I got real life data here when it comes to kids. Hate me all you want. I don't care. I really don't. Because when it comes to them, it's like, dude, if you're not on board with factual stuff about kids, I just question your whole reality of existence. Yeah, it's evil. if you would rather stick up for a company or a product which a vaccine is just a product than over a kid i don't know i'm worried i'm very worried yeah the first people that that really broke and whistle blew during the covid thing was obviously dr malone yeah one of the greatest scientists of all time with vaccines because once they started he shut his mouth but once they started giving it to pregnant women and to children he said that's enough and then he just he risked his whole career yeah he was black bald he was done that and also was mccullough to a degree but it was the chief science officer for pfizer for pfizer once they started trying recommending it like we could sell it to pregnant women we just said to kids and she said no and he he got they destroyed him or tried to yeah and he broke you know a lot of those that's what the you know when you when you that's broke the straw that broke the camel's back is when you start messing with children no that's why i love like del big tree's a friend yeah del takes the liver it's a long time we felt his liver and but he was you know our my children aren't vaccinated because of del and bobby kennedy years ago when i before way before vaha on that as well but del you know it was crazy when when you know not one child vaccine has ever had a safety study done on and he cross-examined these vaccine experts and they won't answer the question like it is that I did the interview with Aaron Seary. We did the three-hour interview that I did. I read his book on a flight when I was going to do some podcasts because he approached me to do the interview. I told Queenie, I said, I want to do this, but I want to also be a little careful. I read the book. I was like, done. I'm doing the interview. I don't give a shit. He's a hero. Look, we have a platform to use. I believe God gave it to me. He's not going to take it from me for exposing something that needs to be exposed. So I said, I just trust God and just do it and they'll be fine. Yeah. And I learned a great deal from it, too. So, man, I can't. I could have talked to you for four hours, I guess, or five. But I really, really am so glad we got to do this. We'll definitely do another one because I've got plenty more to talk about. And a lot of things to go over in private, too, that we can discuss, too. But, man, I love the conversation. I love you. I love the pleasure. The energy is amazing. It is. I love the funny shit we get to say to each other off camera too. It's great, man. So tell everybody where to follow you online, the best places. Oh, so loveyourliver.com. Yeah. And then it's Deliverance Elixir on Instagram and then the liver clinic are the two. But yeah, Deliverance did. And it's so much a fountain of knowledge as well. But those are the best places. Yeah. And love your liver, love your life. You know, have a relationship with this incredible organ that never stops fighting for you. I love it. Yeah. Thanks for coming. Yeah. Yeah. Appreciate it. All right, everybody. That wraps up another one. I hope you enjoy this as much as I did, which I'm sure you will. Check Siggy out all over the place. He'll be speaking in person, too. If you get a chance, you don't want to miss that. At least get to the clinic to see him. So that being said, stay tuned for plenty more to come. Dylan Gemelli and Siggy Clavian signing off. Bye.