Prison, Peptides, and the Myth of Living Forever | Bizzie Gold x Dylan Gemelli

while you're taking care of your skin during the day and doing all of these regiments, you're really just taking yourself out. Hi, Kreme and Cocaine. Yeah, exactly. I got into it too far. I was spending ripple, what I was making, trying to keep up this image of myself. I had all the credentials in the world. I started to sell drugs. I got a 15-year prison sentence when I was 20 years old. I ended up doing two of those 15 and got released. Ground zero, 30 years old. I'm living in my mom and dad's basement. All I was doing was studying different aspects of bodybuilding, testosterone boosters, everything hormones, which is how I got started. Your brain is wired for deception, but here's the truth. Patterns can be broken. The code can be written. Once you hear the truth, you can't go back. So the only question is, are you ready to listen? Here, Betty, welcome to another episode of Decoded. I'm in the studio today with Dylan. This has been a while in the making. I think our kind of mutual PR teams tried to connect us maybe about two or three months ago. And let me tell you, when people are doing as well in the industry as we are, it is hard to lock it in. Like, even just trying to get back to each other via text message was a long drawn out process. So I'm really excited to have Dylan here. He is a wealth of knowledge and all things, biohacking, neuroscience, anti-aging, longevity. And as you know, we've been pulling this peptide thread now for a while. Some of our top performing episodes are on peptides. And this man is an industry insider. He's going to be spilling all of the tea about what's really going on with peptides. I've been really excited to have him on the show. He is very like minded. So for all the people that are out there in the audience, you know that we like to question this status quo. We don't just accept what has been spoon fed to us. And Dylan is exactly what you need for this conversation. So without further ado, Dylan, my friend, it's so good to have you on the podcast. Thanks for having me. It was really great coming here. Like I told you, even going for a walk in the morning out in this beauty in this country out here, it's great. So I appreciate you getting me out here. So for context, I'm in North Idaho. Some of you guys, whenever I say that, they're like, you're where? Everyone just expects you to automatically be in like LA or New York or Nashville. We moved to Sandpoint, Idaho in 2021. And we just absolutely love it. We moved from Scottsdale where I feel like maybe you are now. Are you and Scottsdale? And I moved from Iowa to right outside of Scottsdale. Yeah. So today, I want to get into a variety of topics. But I would definitely love to start on what initially brought you into the space of anti-aging and longevity and peptides. What what initially started your spark or the curiosity? Because I know that from trying to read through his longest bio ever, you guys, which ended up just totally rocking Roll and paraphrasing anyways. You've obviously done so many different things. So what was that initial spark? Because I think that tells us a lot about who you are and how you see the world. Yeah. And I put an episode out so people can get a real grasp of who I am and where I came from because it's a really crazy story. And I was like a college basketball player, a four sport athlete. And so that was like my whole life. And I got injured multiple times, lost scholarships. And so I started to model and act. And I did that for quite a long time. But you know, that was one of those lifestyles that you start living. And it is the polar opposite of what I do. And it was drugs, partying, sleepless nights, going to auditions and living this life. It's just unfulfilling and really, it sets you backwards. You know, it was the polar opposite of anti-aging. And while you're taking care of your skin during the day and doing all of these regiments, it's you're really just taking yourself out. Hi, Kreme and cocaine. Yeah, exactly. And that's where we're going. Right. And that's where I'm going. So eventually I got into it too far. I couldn't afford. I was spending triple what I was making and trying to keep up and create this image of myself that looking back on, I just don't even remember who that guy is anymore. Long story short, I had all the credentials in the world. I had a master's degree in business and finance. I think nine or 10 certifications would help in fitness with NASM, personal training, nutritionist. I started to sell drugs because I could not keep up with anything I was doing. And I don't know how many people are aware, but the longevity in that career is not very good. Even the smartest criminal gets popped, you guys. That's right. And I did. And it wasn't even for what I was doing. And so I got a 15 year prison sentence when I was 28 years old. I ended up doing two of those 15 and got released. And that's when I got sent to Maui because my parents lived there. And I had to start my life from scratch, ground zero, 30 years old. I'm living in my mom and dad's basement. And I'm 43 now. And being down there at night, all I was doing was getting online and studying different aspects of bodybuilding, testosterone boosters, everything hormones, which is how I got started. And shortly after that, I built a YouTube channel with millions of subscribers in two years, because I was talking about steroids and peptides and sarms and nobody knew what those were. What is the sign? Selective and receptor modulator. And essentially, it's like we look at it in bodybuilding as a steroid type compound with less side effects, but over the years, what we've learned is there's still a ton of side effects. Data back then very limited, right? So we're going off some of those 10 years, some of the newer ones far less. And I've switched my stance now over time on those peptides back then. And the bodybuilding world were kind of just viewed as weak. There was only a few to pick from seven eight. Melana Tantu was the only one that wasn't really related to growth hormone, GHRP, GHRH. So you're basic hypermarellum, CJC12 and N5, hexarellum, sermarellum, those were around. That was it. So when we'll get into later to everything else. So I started discussing those. Well, two times I got YouTube channel shut down. So imagine I had to start from scratch once. Noticing a lot of a theme in your life. Well, the thing here is the person resilience. Well, that's it. That's the perseverance where I just don't know how to quit or say no. So one good shut down. I, it was devastating because you can imagine the amount of money you're making on familiar subscribers. And the work. Well, I rebuilt and then around COVID time, it got shut down again. I wasn't talking about COVID, but they were just going after people that were pushing the envelope on anything. So I said, you know what? I'm going to work on Instagram started doing that, built that up. Well, then I got invited to speak at Mr. Olympia with doctors and practitioners. That was my big chance. When I was there, that's when I met Stammery Jen who was in biohacking. I got invited to co-host with Monica Brandt and she was a former Miss Olympia. Well, they were sponsoring her there. They were kind of out of their element. And it was just kind of like God's work. I ran into them there. They watched me speak biohacking. When I got home, I said to my wife, I got COVID and I was all depressed. But then I kind of did because I'm a God first individual. I know some people don't like them. Sorry if you don't. I want to wear very openly God first. Okay. No apologies on my end. That's where I give all credit. It's no big secret. And if somebody doesn't like it, I'm sorry. I'm not your guy. Perfect. So upon that time, I started to dig into what they were doing. And I told my wife, I said, you're going to have to trust me. I am going to make this jump. I'm going to make this move. And I just start researching every big name there was. Every single one I started learning about them studying their passions, what they do. And I just went after them all myself. My first episode was Misha Tate. And every episode after that was big name, big name, big name, big name. Because I just went for the gusto and went for it all. And now I've made it my whole life. I went and studied at Harvard at night. Cellular and mitochondria health. I told you I just got accepted into neuroscience at Arizona State. I've studied cardiology for three years. So I've shifted from just bodybuilding steroid guy and peptide guy to every aspect of health and longevity. And what I'm trying to do is what I figured out that I was put here to do was really in two ways, save people. One, bring God and faith into their life and let them understand the teachings of the Bible without distorting what it's actually said. And relating it to humans. And secondly, teaching them how to overcome like you, misconceptions, misguidances, and give accurate information on how to really take care of ourselves the right way. So that's where I'm at. I love it. So you don't know this yet. And I'm not going to say his name. But I did end up having a person on my podcast that you recommended when we were talking about longevity. We'll put a pin in that one. But in the conversation, we were talking about the possible biblical consequences that are involved in why we may not be able to actually really extend our lifespan meaningfully. Right. Right now, I think in the biohacking longevity space, I know my friend, Dave Aspery, everything is like live beyond 180. And then there are other people that are kind of set on trying to live forever. When we got into this conversation on telemural lengthening and why no matter how much money they put into it, they can only kind of get so far. Yeah. I suggested as it possible that this is the consequence of the fall. And God doesn't want us actually living forever. Sure. So I'm actually just curious because that question ever really got fully answered. What is your opinion on this since you are in anti-aging and longevity? Well, I mean, I always tell everybody at, I used to say there was only one handbook to life. And it's in the Bible. And you can correlate if you understand parables and how to break them down and relate them without being psychotic about it, then you can really take it and relate it to everyday life. What happened from the beginning when Adam sent, we were essentially doomed to die. Every single person ever died. Jesus died. Every human that was ever put here died. But then there is the gift of the kingdom of heaven, which is what we can obtain if we do things the right way and live the right way. And so no, we cannot live forever on earth. We can eternally. I don't care if you don't like that scientifically or not. It's a simple fact. That's what the Bible says and that's what I'm rolling with. Well, and I actually think it's really interesting that even scientists who have dedicated their whole lives, you know, 40, 50 consecutive years of trying to unlock this code, so to speak, can't really face the reality that this is not a code that can be unlocked. We are not mental if forever. That is why no matter how much money you put into it, you can kind of maybe eke out one or two, three to ten more years. Yeah. But the reality is that part of what happened to us as human beings by introducing sin is because we do have free will, God needs us to die because imagine somebody who has free will, who's just endlessly evil and will never stop, there needs to be a stop sequence. Just like in stem cell medicine, my oldest daughter has cerebral palsy. And when you're going about doing stem cell transplants, it's really important what sorts of stem cells you use because if it doesn't have a stop sequence, what was once helpful becomes harmful and can turn into cancer. Right. So I just thought it was an interesting concept because it did challenge this person and I didn't really get what I felt was a solid answer out of it. So I was just curious to see how you felt about that. So on this topic of longevity anti-aging, what do you think the biggest advances are that actually hold value or that you adopt into your life? And what does longevity look like for you? Because you're obviously not trying to live forever. So what is film the gaps for us of what's in between? It's like that saying and I've said it in several ads I've done is that you're trying to not just add years to your life but life to your years. So I do feel that we can live longer than what's average and I don't like accepting that as time goes on, it's inevitable. I think there's a lot of things that can be mitigated or helped if done right. You know, it goes from testosterone replacement therapy to peptide therapy to NAD therapy to all of these things that are either newer coming out, they're abused, they're misused, and then our diet patterns and our foods are just killing us earlier than we need to. When heart disease is so prevalent and cancer and things, it's because a lot of times of things that are put in things that we eat and that we're polluted with, I was sitting outside doing prayers one night because I go sit outside in my backyard and I have it set up beautifully and I can go sit out there and pray and I yelled, queen eight of my wife, I said, come here and there's an airplane in the air and I just see all of this crap falling out of this sky and I said, I said, I know that's not an alien and I know I'm not crazy. I said, look at this and I took a film of it and it's things like that and it's they're even blatant about it. Now I think that there are certain aspects that we've learned over time about ourselves internally that if we do right can help but it's like the NAD craze. Let's talk about that for a second. A lot of people don't realize when you take NAD plus or flood your body with NAD or these IVs, your cells can't absorb NAD, you're actually doing nothing. In fact, it's having an adverse effect over time. You have to take a precursor to actually get it inside your cell which then will release your body's ability to produce NAD on its own. So when you take NMN for example, that's how you do it but these these mismarketers and they do these lies and people don't know, they just believe what they hear. That's why what you do is so important and what I do and why some people don't like us and it's, you know, people don't like to be told what they need to hear. They just want to be told what they want to hear. Follow the leader that's not really a leader. That's really just foolish. And so some of it is getting past misconception and some of it is simple. Like the term biohacking is so misunderstood. It can, it doesn't have to be a five million dollar machine that's doing this treatment on you that no one's ever heard of. It's basic things that we all know to do, proper sleep, less stress, these management things. And I think that people once they understand the neuroside and the body side, which is why I'm studying neuroscience, because it's a real mind body connection. You know this especially that high stress, an overactive sympathetic nervous system, which I'm still learning. So forgive me. But you're doing great. All right. But these things, they all tie in together. I spent years focusing on how can I fix people hormonally? How can I fix their diets? How can I fix this without the real understanding that if this is off, it doesn't matter what I'd fix here. It just doesn't. Let's take a quick pause to welcome a brand new sponsor to the show Manu Kura Honey. This is Manu Kura Honey from New Zealand. They approached me a few weeks ago and I got to try some of their products and I am absolutely in love. But the best part is aside from honey, obviously tasting good. We all love the taste of honey. The health benefits are out of this world. 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This honey is incredible. I hope that you give it a try and thank you so much Manu Kura. We can't wait to keep promoting your products. Everything falls downstream from our perception of reality, which is something that when we go switch to our part two and I'm on your show, we'll talk about something called the Neurocognitive Funnel. I think this is it's such an important thing for people to wrap their heads around and it for what it's worth. I do think a lot of Eastern medicine and more traditional or even indigenous medicines from around the world, they understood this very early that you can't actually separate what you think and how you're perceiving reality from the actual physiological symptoms themselves. When you do look at it, it can be a bit of a which came first the chicken or the egg scenario, but I think you have to be able to address both and what I've found with your break method is that when you resolve the disordered perception of reality, many of those downstream very physiological symptoms can actually become self-resolving. So I love that you're coming to this because I think it is really important and there are very clear correlations between repetitive thought processes and physiological symptoms. Like I can tell you in a brain pattern who's likely to have autoimmune disease, who's likely to get Parkinson's. So there are these absolute unequivocal correlations here. So I can't wait to hear what happens after a year into your course. You'll have to come back and tell us about it. Oh, I will. You know, I've struggled with stress and anxiety for a very long time and I've found a certain heart condition early on myself, but I have exacerbated it by overthinking and creating environments where something happened and not letting it go. And then you can create a problem. And when you do that, then you can throw yourself into a health scare because that is putting more pressure on your heart. These anxieties, these stresses, they are contributing to a lower ejection fraction, you know, in ability to sleep properly. Well, man, I mean, that can mess up your, obviously, your weight. It's going to make it a lot harder to lose weight for you or to keep in shape. And then up here when you can't focus, I mean, that's a whole other story. Well, then it becomes a snowball effect. But more you do that, then the less you can even try to self-regulate control your thoughts. And it's just spirals completely out of control. I got to tell you, and I was texting my mom because she's like, I am so proud of you for exploring these things and digging into this. And she's like, it's so hard. I said, but mom, it's not. It's not hard when you, when you're so fascinated and enthralled in it. It's actually, well, it might be technically hard on the surface, the verbiage and getting around it. Man, for me, it's what I used to just dread and hate is now my most passionate thing in the world. And here, again, well, related to God again, I used to kind of almost, ah, demonized science a little bit because of the abuse of the way people use it. But when I sat and it was, this is when I shut my mouth and let Holy Spirit talk when I stopped babbling when I pray and I was like, okay, God designed us really intricately like in a way that I never looked at and studying it and seeing how cells replicate, how our mind works, how our bodies are structurally made to function the way it does. It is truly amazing. And I think when you can really dig into it and learn about it, it is beyond mind blowing. It literally, I'm not the biggest emotional guy in the world. It almost, like, it brought a tear to my eye, honestly, to like think about it and say, you took this amount of time to be this intricate because you read the Bible. It's like, well, he breathed and everything just appeared and that's metaphor for an explanation. It took him seven days. He didn't just breathe and everything just appeared. There was thought and intricacy and like the depth of the knowledge that God must have and thinking about all of this, if you sit and think and stop being irrational, it's, I mean, it's mind blowing. I totally agree with you. There's this great meme. Hopefully I can find it and throw it in those show notes. When you're going down the rabbit hole of science, the first stage is atheism and then when you get all the way to the bottom of the rabbit hole, always most people end up finding proof for God. So I think for a lot of people that are listening to this podcast or watching it, I think the further you tried to pursue the truth knowing that you're going to go through different phases of cognitive dissidents and if you have previous religious trauma, you're going to have more cognitive dissidents. But the more you truly try to seek out the truth with a genuine curiosity, the higher likelihood eventually you're going to arrive where we arrived. I feel like in my spiritual walk, I've been allowed to stray so many times thinking that I was I was just wanting to be open and well, I just want to I just want to pull this thread. I want to see where this goes, thinking that I was somehow going away. But every single time it just kept looping me back to an even deeper and more profound understanding of the truth. So I know that on this podcast, we have a lot of believers and a lot of people that aren't aren't there and you guys are all welcome to be here. But it is a special experience when you get to actually be in a room with someone who understands science as well as you do, but then also understands that the spiritual root of all of that science because it is profound. I always talk about it as the thumbprint of God. And when you can see that level of complex organization in every little thing, no matter how miniscule, you kind of take that down all the way down to the atom, you can't say that that wasn't designed by something intelligent. That's not random. That sort of intelligent design cannot be born of chaos and something random. That's not possible. It's so just off the wall for somebody to think that this just evolved and happened. I mean, I just and that's fine. Everybody to each their own. I always call it the 3% rule. So yes, I understand when when people are like, yeah, evolution, but there's always if you really kind of push them, there's always at least this 3% that they can't really explain. And if there's no matter how many years and millions and billions and trillions of dollars they've spent trying to prove certain things, if you can't actually prove it and there's this little asterisk on it, it's still a hypothesis. That's right. And I think there's so many people that have some sort of incentive not to get conspiratorial, but you know, you can kind of take that where you want some sort of incentive to get people on mass to believe in something like evolution when it is really it's a theory and it's basically disproven theory in reality. And any like real hard-nosed scientists that I know is awake and aware will tell you that if you look them straight face, they're not gonna lie to you about it. They will. They just like to double triple quadruple down because no one wants to be wrong. And I get that to a point. I think one of the things for me when life really opened up was when I realized how wrong I was on so many things and was open to admit it and then try to figure out how do I fix it as opposed to I did I played this role for so long and I think that's part of the reason why people were frustrated with me back then because I was kind of a territorial jerk and wanted to be the one the end all be all that knew everything. But once I and it took me kind of getting married too, but you know the ability to admit you're wrong actually feels good because then you don't feel like you're lying or you don't feel like you're playing this role of who you're not anywhere I go now you're getting the same dude no matter what and it's like that's it. I don't I just am who I am and if you love me great if you don't find I'm not gonna lose sleep over it. I'm not you know either way I want everybody to like me of course who doesn't but at the same time that's not what I'm here for. It also waters down your message when people try to play to that in between and their goal is to just be well liked. It's very rare that you can authentically communicate a message and I think most people who are communicating something that comes from that really sort of divine source you're usually polarizing and that's that's okay. I always I've always thought that when you are polarizing the people that are for you are so much clear on why they're for you and with that there's always going to be opposition. I don't know if you know this but there are people online that think I'm a clone so. Oh you hear it all. Listen you haven't made it until people have decided the error clone and then start to attack you on social media. You know what I would maybe a few years ago I'd be surprised but I'm not anywhere I mean I've heard everything and seen everything and that's fine I mean. It's believers too. Really? I mean a weird flavor a believer. So coming all shapes and sizes don't say. What is the worst thing that's happened to you in that realm of like cancellation or people trying to come for you? Oh man. I think for we have a lot of people that listen to this podcast that are themselves influencers and actually this is kind of interesting. There have been times that I've reached out to somebody I'm like they you know like you'd be a great guest and they're like I've been following your show forever. So we have a lot of people that likely need to be empowered and equipped by what the worst thing that's happened to you and to see that they're still standing here smiling. Oh man. I mean in terms of things said I've had people to tell me to kill myself. I mean literally tell me to kill myself and you know I the body building world in the supplement world is so toxic. I mean it would blow your mind the toxicity there but the the rate of which people were trying to take me down. You know how I got taken down on YouTube that I eventually found out because I kept appealing it and I couldn't get an answer. These one group of companies that I was taking money from not intentionally just because of what I was saying and doing and the things that I was calling out that then we're opening up the light to bad practice. Had somebody working on YouTube that was stopping my appeals and wouldn't let them go through and then eventually it was too late to get it back once that that person was relieved of their duty that was figured out over two years even if you got the channel back it doesn't matter because the subscribers are toast. I bet people tell me if I see and person I'm going to beat the shit out of you and everything else and it's like go ahead go ahead and attempt it. I mean I did do several years in prison. I don't want to fight but if you think I'm not well equipped or whatever the case fine but I'll at this point I'd say okay fine go for it because I'm going to make a lot of money and you're going to lose a lot of things out of your life. I think when people make threats about beating people up and then they go do it they don't realize what goes along with it. You get an assault charge? Your life's over. You're really your life's about over. It really is. My drug felonies are more acceptable than assault charges in how they're viewed anywhere on top of the fines on top of possibly hurting yourself and everything but I've had people coming at me left and right and they stopped at this point because I got into a different industry but they're always going to attack you and if you push the envelope and you say things that they don't want to hear and I get approached might so many people that want me to go do these you know speak out on this and that and I'm fine I'll do it. I look I am an arbiter of truth at this point. I have one motive and one motive only it's simply do what I'm being told to do and that's what I'm compelled to do anymore. I will I used to live strictly for money how much money am I going to make how much am I going to do this. You know this you get people throwing you five six thousand dollars an ad and they want to do this and that and I just I have certain partners that I'm very close with that have a specific message that I believe in that I'm a big part of and all of the other nonsense. I don't need it I don't play Kate I don't sell out I don't do that. God will give me all the money I need to do the mission and to live the life I need and once I realize that I've made more than I ever have and I've felt better and I've spent way less. That is good advice right there especially when people are first trying to grow whatever their platform is I can understand the temptation of wanting to say yes because of the money. Yeah. But you can tell when someone has sold out and this is kind of an interesting pivot point because when I first started talking about peptides I think people actually really thought that I had sold out I got a lot of like hate male hatred but a couple cool things I am not one that gets easily triggered by hate male I actually tried to appeal to their intellect and I usually go back and forth with them and I can usually win people back I will say I'm good at the winbacks. I love it. Not like a customer service went back but like really helping them think critically about why they're so triggered and how wrong they are with what they're assuming. That's good. You're so good. It's breakdown. And it's it's fun for me. It's like my version of exercise. I should probably exercise more mental fitness. Yeah right. So one in particular who this ended up eventually turning around but after probably five or six maybe even seven back and forths the first email is basically like oh my God you know you've spent your whole year your whole career empowering women to make healthy choices like I can't believe you would sell out with something like this and she was essentially coming from a police of really assuming that it was all based in vanity and I was trying to help her understand that for me choosing to kind of start this journey with peptides of course I didn't like to feel 30 pounds overweight I don't think anybody that has lived their whole life fit likes that feeling. No. But if it was just purely physical but like I physically felt great there's no way I would have done anything I would have just been like well I guess this is my new body but the physical sensation and the way we're all manifestations of tons of inflammation and other problems where I was having constant migraines my digestive system was a mess I was reacting to every food to a point where then I was afraid to eat right so now I'm not eating and my weight is ballooning it the whole thing was just a cascading effect of doom. So when I first started my peptide journey and I started to talk about it I was trying to help educate people on how some peptides work specifically on the mechanism rather than just dampening the symptom which I think is very common in Western medicine it's like here's a medication for that and it's really just numbing your experience of the symptom but it's not actually treating the root so when I started to do my peptide journey I'm now like five or six months in I've lost over 30 pounds I can eat anything I want which I've never been able to do my whole life and I don't by the way like take liberties I'm not sitting at home eating like a pint of Ben and Jerry's ice cream so get your mind out of the nutrition gutter but I am able to you know like tonight we're doing Shabbat at our house and I'm gonna have my first go with a gluten loaf of chala we're gonna see how that goes all our poor back but I would never have even considered this I went honestly for age 23 to I'm now 40 really never eating gluten like not even one time and if it ever snuck into something I'd immediately break out in a crazy rash so the idea that I can have a little bit more freedom with little things I don't get migraines my periods don't completely take me out anymore these are all the things that you want to be able to experience and then to me being 30 pounds lighter obviously it's a great bonus I love feeling like myself again but all this to say there's so many women out there like me who I can understand where because of like kind of the whole like ozampic manjaro celebrity weight loss craze thing I think just all peptides have gotten this really bad wrap and then immediately if you talk about it people are like oh my god it's a big farma cell out so I want you pull down the curtain what is really behind this what what are peptides and why is it something that is actually antagonistic to the agenda of big farma rather than in support of it well one I mean right now they are they go around and they try to stop people from selling anything outside of the box first of all it's actually quite an enemy until they can try to take over and like regulate it and be a part of it and get into it they don't want anybody to have any of it right now you know compounding yeah I mean it has everything to do with it they're not getting any money out of it so all of the the underground places that have every peptide known to man where you can get thousands of them or basic compounding pharmacies well they'll send them letters you can't do this you can't do that you can't sell this no they're they're actually quite the enemy the only ones that are really friendly are the ones that you're talking about are GLP ones I mean there's a couple other ones but more mainstream ozempic and manjaro are the ones that now read a true tide once it comes out which is the king of all because it's a you know triple layered but when it comes to selling out that is the complete polar opposite there is such a lack of understanding on a GLP ones and be relating those to any other peptides because they're completely different concepts and the funny thing that people also don't understand is a lot of these that end up having a benefit that you see mainstream weren't even created or intended for that purpose I'm on Jardy and and I'm not diabetic it's for my heart and it's for you know improving my heart functioning ejection fraction that's a diabetic medication I mean a lot of people that are stuck on metformin or something like like that that they hate and don't like we can put them on a GLP one we can use Jardy as we can use it's nice to have these different medications at your disposal but peptide therapy to me is the future the alternative therapy that we all need and want and desire that does so many different types of functioning when I started like I said it was just really growth hormone hormone related where those basically those are growth hormone releasing peptides or hormones so all they're doing is going in and helping your body to release growth hormone as opposed to taking exogenous HGH which can have negative ramification but there's so many options now from something like motc for example which is one of my favorites goes straight to your mitochondria health but then has a slew of other benefits where it's it's like an exercise mimetic so you used to I and I see this when I say that it means that you could be like working out without working out but don't do that don't depend on that just take the added benefit of having that extra you know in there but when it's targeting mitochondria and then it's got five other functions for fat loss for exercise for um oxidative stress and clean up it's it's amazing is motc one that you would cycle on and off of it for no no so what what is the typical motc cycle look like three to four weeks on several weeks off run it in different there's there's a couple different methods that's kind of the one that I've been more well acclimated to and recommend to people but see that's the thing a lot of people don't know how to use these and each one has a different way to use it nor you can stay on longer sometimes your body will desensitize and it won't be as effective sometimes it can cause obviously an adverse reaction if you're taking too much or on too long and it's just to me it's polarizing. It's worth starting off really slow like the smallest amount possible and then kind of working away to see how you do with it or is there like a starting dose that is typically where you it depends on the compounds that we're talking about sometimes you definitely want to start lower here's my I'm a more conservative docer and I'd look at it almost to the point where what would I have my mom do that's what I kind of tell you know in my thought to people if I look at it like that then I'm taking extra care of them right because if you don't look at it like that and you start throwing around these crazy doses you get people hurt I always tell people you can always start off slow and increase it what are you going to do waste maybe a little bit of money because you started slow but what if you start too high and cause yourself problems right up the bat not only are you going to lose money but you're going to lose time you're going to lose health and you could potentially cause a long term problem so I always am like an ease or into things I don't have that bro bodybuilder mentality of let's just do it all and not think about tomorrow but there there are so many different options and when people for example they look at healing and they always every everybody talks about BPC and I love BPC but I hate having to talk about it over and over there's other things to look at there's a K-P-V which is like a more of a gut health GHKCU which is going to have other healing effects but also skin and collagen there's such a wide world out there of options that are there that people don't know about because they have the fear of the underground market and they can't just go buy them and then things get demonized I don't I don't want to call out names by any stretch of the imagination but I sat in on a conference at Ud ammonia last year and there were you know like JJ version was up there Cali means was up there and Jillian Michaels were up there arguing back and forth about GLP ones and I've got Jillian Michaels up there just screaming and yelling with no no sort of study or background to follow stand a leg on and I'm sitting here going you know when somebody yells and does what they're doing and I don't have anything against her by the way that's not the case I'm just talking about our for argument sake what I witnessed and when you don't have facts to back up and you're just yelling all you got to do is work out when you don't even understand how something works side note that's absolutely not true because I was doing all those things and my weight was going up not down I know I'm not alone on that but back to you oh yes if you have certain problems that you don't know about and they're not addressed you're not hormonally optimized you have low testosterone you have a mental off balance somehow that's causing cortisol and causing this and causing that you can eat every diet known to man exercise all day long and it doesn't matter you have to fix certain aspects first that will help you and get right and then you can be metabolically healthy or flexible I had an eating disorder my whole life I still to this day and probably will forever at least have this thing in the back of my mind that plays a trick on me on how I look and I have to be careful but I will tell you I made certain dietary changes last year from this low fat diet that I know that I teach people is not good and did it for so long and that's probably why I had heart conditions and other things and I eat I eat 1200 more calories a day than I ever did and I haven't been this like lean or cut up since I used steroids it's a lot of it's overcoming fear a lot of it's overcoming stigma and a lot of it is testing your body and being willing to do that and seeing what works for you or for me because it doesn't mean it's going to work for the next person hormonally balanced that's a different story everybody needs that mental balance everybody needs it but there's so many doses and peptides that I could tell you are so great you may not agree with you that's reality I had a negative reaction to BPC and I tried twice and the same thing happened me both times and I was like all right well ask yourself this it was with TB 500 too so I might it might have actually been the TB I it's hard to say and that's why you got to do one at a time but ask yourself this do you do allergies exist or people allergic to medication so why could your body not agree with a certain compound and if it doesn't does that necessarily mean it's not a great thing so if you're allergic to a moxicillin does that mean it doesn't work for everybody else and it's horrible right so if you have a bad reaction to BPC does that mean it's terrible because you did I still recommended people right I just tell them what happened to me so they can keep an eye out for the symptom pattern so you know what I don't want to use the word hate I try to not use that so you know what I despise and what I try to not be is the person that tells everybody well you can't listen you can't be an expert if everything just relates to you and you alone it's just not how it works certainly well my experience wasn't great but 20 other people were so say it give your experience because that's what people watch you to hear what you encountered same with me but then I always note doesn't mean it's going to be like that for you be honest don't think that just because something happened to you that that's the end all be all those people don't know they're asked from a hole in the ground and you can't trust them and I don't and I don't I don't I don't do that at all so I think that the peptide world in general is the future I am certain of the amount of research that's being put into it and the way that they're being derived and come up with that it's very safe and effective and GLP ones have great merit they're just misunderstood and misused micro dosing a GLP one using it for the proper condition not being totally reliant on it to save your life for the world for you and understanding that if you do use a lot that it's really just shutting off your brain to be in hungry and you can't do that forever this episode is brought to you by healing a sauna my absolute favorite sauna on the market for a variety of reasons number one my busy mom I own a bunch of companies and despite my best efforts I often don't know when I'm going to be able to sneak in 20 minutes of self care and if you ever owned another sort of infrared sauna you know that you likely have to plan in advance because you're gonna have to eat it up for about an hour if you like it hot I don't ever have that sort of opportunity I have to see is the moment and that is the number one reason that I am a huge fan of healing sauna it only takes 15-20 minutes I typically am there about 17 to 18 minutes you literally turn it on you sit in it you zip it up you can take it with you anywhere you go and it immediately hits full heat when I first started doing the healing sauna I couldn't sweat my entire detox pathway system was completely compromised within a few weeks profuse sweating healing sauna is the thing that I do every single day it is a non-negotiable for me when I'm traveling and I don't get to fly with it I miss it and it's the first thing I do when I get home if you want to try healing sauna for yourself you can use code bg heal for 200 off plus free shipping you will not regret this it'll be the best salon experience you've ever had so I've been on Terzapita now micro dose since I don't maybe like middle of May I started off at 25 units which I think was like 2.5 milligrams went up to the full 50 which was the company that I partner with it was there like micro dose version and I've the last month been back down to the 25 units and my goal was to kind of like get myself down to see what is the smallest dose I can take while not losing any of the symptom resolution benefits I've had so I'm I'm now at a point where probably halfway in I have more appetite than I've ever had before and I've talked to some people about this because I've read that that you know really people are losing weight predominantly because it shuts off your desire for food but I think for me be people where it's coming from an in-place of inflammation that's not necessarily true because I'm eating almost double the amount of calories than I've ever eaten before I've historically been more of like a like trying to eat 1200 calories a day it was hard yeah I just really have not ever liked food I've always found it annoying and now I'm between like 2200 to 2500 calories and I'm just the more I eat the hunger I am but my weight is maintaining and all those things so with tersapetite specifically because I know originally from looking at it actually was originally created for more like neuro cognitive issues and the weight loss was something that was unexpected and they had no idea so could you because I know a lot of our listeners are also on the tersapetite that I'm on can you go into a little bit about what originally something like tersapetite would have been created for and what other benefits it would have outside of potentially just the weight loss yeah cognitive ability and functioned certainly with that and once again adding more structure to it it's it's like I'd look at ozemic like little sister because not to jump off of the tersapetite but just to give an explanation and ozemic has these great benefits but it's got a lot of side effects and it's you know just a GOP1 singularly so it was like the initial stage testing and then when tersapetite came out it's it doesn't render ozemic pointless I don't want to say that but it's certainly taken away the allure and now with red a true tide coming out it's really going to render tersapetite is kind of like a middle-class drug but it's certainly these things always can help with like diabetic issues and things of that nature just one of the things I've sat on or sat in on excuse me at conferences is the importance of diet with these and over time you will get hungrier especially when you go up and down on your dose like you're noticing and that's fine because you're what you're establishing now as you were under eating at 1200 calories a day and you were starving your body and you know what happens your body then holds onto those calories and you actually can't lose weight and you will gain weight you've become metabolically flexible now and now it's clicking so the tersapetite's been your friend as opposed to just tricking your mind it's actually helped your metabolism kind of correct itself and that's the key that people don't understand they want to run these high doses they want to do it wrong micro dosing is such a such a key element to this that people are missing I've sat in with some of the brightest like peptide researchers and scientists in the world and they got me on the micro dosing a year ago and one of the main main things was cognitive function long term especially as we age that was the key benefit to it and that my brain fog is gone it has to be that was one of the things but you have to micro dose it to get that because you can actually have the adverse effect if you go too high for too long it will actually cause you more problems up here but that's the key with the dosing and the understanding and people fall into those traps and then obviously then there's the trap of maybe buying it from an underground place where it's not what you think you're getting that's the other thing that well at least with the tersapetite my audience we've got a good source for that but I know that you have a lot of great sources for a lot of the things that you can't get on LEMD because I really do I love LEMD I think the CEO is phenomenal I'm very aware of kind of like what their sourcing practice aren't all that but I would say for every you know they can only carry certain ones yeah and it sounds like a lot of where we need to go next or kind of we need to hit the underground yeah so I will give your audience a breakdown of how this works okay and can you also tell us how to determine what would potentially be like safe versus unsafe in both cases I'm putting air quotes I'm getting into it right now and I'm going to actually help everybody out with how you the place to go to get tried and true because I know and what actually goes on in a lot of these places so here we go this is how this yeah this is how this works these places pop up left and right and I mean they just come out of the woodwork and you'll see them they'll buy ads on Google they'll pop up and then they disappear just as fast so the process has been the same over the years because I got into this in 2011 when nobody knew how it worked or what it was and there were very few basically everything is purchased from China a lot a lot of things now are being sent from China to the US first and then sent to people because they're getting picked off and people are getting busted when they go straight to their residences and when you say coming from China are we talking about the raw materials to compound or the already compounded so basically what generally happens is with sarms which we're not really talking about those are just raw powders normally sent over and then they're either reconstituted as sold as liquids or they're pressed into capsules now with peptides most often they're already life-alized powders in the vials ready to go some of them are even being labeled over there a lot of times they're being sent here white labeled and shipped right out the thing that's crazy that a lot of people don't know is I I'm gonna not name the companies but there's like three or four big ones and you'll go oh my god I shit from here and you'll see it in red at everything and I'm just sitting back and laughing and going you are literally buying the same product from there there there and there because all they do is have a manufacturer here that they go through that they white label and send their stuff out they drop ship it directly from there so you think you're buying something so special from company X and company Y it's the same damn product just marketing and brand name product and some of them will charge you a little more some of them will charge you a little less and they probably got better deals with the manufacturer based upon how much they're buying are there any underground peptide companies that are not coming from China so most have to come from there I have one company that I have been with now for four or five years and because I've worked with several over the years and it's always the same story and it's always people get greedy or they they get a different supplier one of their suppliers goes down and they start getting stuff that's bad or they don't test everything a lot of the companies they'll test a batch they'll post the COA online and then they won't test again and they just trust the supplier or they're taking a China COA which is the funniest thing I've ever seen I tell these people I say if they can literally make a Louis Vuitton bag look as real as they can no I'm gonna why are you gonna trust their COA well you think that they can't I can go make you one I can go make you one of five minutes it's not hard you better pay me because it's gonna take me a second but I can go do it so that's part of the problem right there now what's happened is one of these companies that I found that they brought me into kind of advise and help them which I did at the time he had a whole facility I'm talking like nothing I've ever seen in my life I've never seen something in the United States especially at the time that I went and found where he had spent millions of dollars on machinery to make their own stuff to do everything right they had a testing facility they worked with right near there and I was blown away so I was like okay I can help you now they've got some things going on here where they're able to produce everything here and they're just getting finalized and done with it so that's the place that I get everything from did they have to just label their products not for human consumption when they have to do that because it sold as a research chemical and the only way to do that is to do it that way and if you market as one of those companies and you do any marketing that talks about any kind of human benefit or you send out influencers to talk about I got this result I got that result they're getting shut down oh yeah they're looking for them and it is you have to be by the book and if you piss off the FDA they come and they shut these places down that's why I've never owned one or ran one or associated one I've simply given them advice because I don't want anything to do with it but this company's called umbrella labs it's kind of like the resident evil concept with the umbrella but man this guy he's got it down and I've never had one encounter with anything they use the problem with these underground companies is their payment methods it's impossible to get a credit card processor because it's considered high risk and people buy it this is this is how shady people are they buy the products and then they go do credit card chargebacks because they know how this works and they end up getting their money back and burn the companies out because processors will not keep companies that keep getting credit card chargebacks and so you know companies that fall into a high risk would be like a gun places gambling sites things like that and so nutraceuticals which is what research chemicals are considered fall into that category so it makes payment methods tricky but there's work around they do but they're formulating stuff I've never seen that is like a zomal and they have some gels like I use a TV 500 BPC gel yeah and they have it there they have what else are they coming out with well like for instance you can take capsule GHKC use they have liquids for tezofenzine and are those actually effective the capsules for GHKC? yeah they are they are the you got to understand the BPC capsules that those are going to be more for like gut related as opposed to injury related so you got to understand like when you take different types of of ingestion how they're going to work and you got to just understand what you're buying or paying for and have the right you know thing in your head this is what I'm going to get from it don't have an expectation that you're not going to get but it is it's amazing and their catalog because they do neutropics too I'm not as extremely well burst that would be more for you that would be far more in line with what you do because it's I'm not I'm not an expert on neutropics I think they're just more cognitive as opposed to anything else so that that would be in your wheelhouse I know of some those are a whole other story people like to get like cyclos a down and fennabut is one of the other ones and the race tams those are popular I'm just not as well burst on those but I know they're popular but you know he's got this one it's called pp405 nobody can get it nobody and it's like the newest hair craze and if you go online and read about this thing it is supposed to be the end all be all for fixing hair and not having side effects I don't I don't study that as well but this is the type of things that you can find on there everything that's brand new that you've never heard of so I'm privy way ahead of time on things that are coming out that no one's heard over no screen and can we link to this website oh yeah you can for sure yeah I'll get I'll I'll have them get a code we'll just use the code Dylan I'll get it made and then we'll get that taken care of but yeah I mean the run down a stuff on this website it'll blow your mind it will blow your mind do you have kind of like a top three favorite products oh for me well test test some more ones my favorite peptide in existence and I'll tell you why it's a growth or hormone releasing hormone but it has really good fat loss abilities without sacrificing lean muscle now I pregnant women are not supposed to be around test some more than it can have a negative effect and then it could potentially cause some water retention in some people you have to be aware of but if it's working for you oh boy that's my favorite because I you know I don't like to shed lean muscle and being able to stay super trim and have that ability I love K-P-V it's a healing compound but really good for the gut and like I mentioned MOT-C because I you know I've talked to you about this thoroughly about mitochondria and cellular health but also a couple other that I think your audience would really like is c-max and c-lank and those are going to be more for like anxiety mental you know stress and strain and get more clearer functioning I love those two so those would be another two I think your audience would really enter those ones daily injection yeah but you can do there's multiple ways to take those two there's nasal there's all kinds of different ways that you can take them but those two go hand at hand really well and you can alternate day and night with those and I've laid out things online and we can link those two on how to dose those but those two yeah that's one of the things that I've have found is in relatively short supply everyone seems to be very cautious about giving any sort of educational material on dosing so do you have good resources for that yeah I've got some cheat sheets I'm going to be putting up on Dylan jamele.com soon so I'll have those up there that'll have real nice breakdowns of everything for everybody I'm just finishing that website up so I would anticipate that being ready November yeah it'll be up by the time this episode goes live. Perfect then I would I'll have a peptide resource there with cheat sheets and dosing protocols and everything on there perfect I know our audience they like to know exactly what to do yeah they there's some there's some of you out there that are rebellious and real like I am where I'll just like roll the dice and be like let's even try but I think more often than not people that watch the show they're willing to give something a try but they want to know what the path ahead looks like and what the dosing looks like so that would be a great resource yeah we'll hit that what do you think the future outside of peptides for example what do you think the future of medicine and supplementation what what does this look like over the next five years what do you think is going to happen you know I think that depends on who's in control and so it's really difficult to say I can tell you what I hope is that peptide therapy would be far more prevalent there would be a better understanding and use of testosterone for men and women without these clinics just putting people on everything under the sun and actually giving the right kind of treatment to people and I think also that it's becoming far more prevalent to see natural pathic doctors with the understanding that you need to be looking at far more than a basic CMP and CBC blood counts you blood panels that you need to be looking at like heavy metals and looking for parasites and looking for different things that are causing problems you know you know what one of my most dislike terms is in the medical field is idiopathic when you tell me that's something idiopathic it means you just didn't look hard enough there's no such thing or that it's gone beyond your scope of education yes really exactly when you dig and you dig and you dig you find that's why people come to me is because I fix it and I find it and if I don't I know somebody that's going to I know who to send you to but there's always some sort of reason behind a problem but it's finding it and understanding it you can't be so quick to jump the gun and put somebody on something they don't need and that is how they are all trained I can't even fault a lot of the doctors because they pay all this money to go to school and that's what they're told so what do you want them to do I mean if you want to be fair you can badmouth all these people and do everything I try to be fair and look at it to the perspective of they went most of these people go with the intention of doing really good and what are you supposed to do if you go to school and that's what you're taught and what your brainwash do you can't get mad at them I mean it's frustrating but that's why I try to do what I do and spotlight people that have the same kind of thought process that I do and make it known to people that ultimately you are in charge of your health and your life if you go to the doctor and they put you on something do you think they're going to call you and say hey are you doing that no they're not and it's up to you to be diligent it to ask questions and to make sure you're doing what you need to do and and I think that so many people just want to be told and then leave it alone it's frustrating but you can't live that way you just can't you can only rely on God and yourself and that's it my job I know that we're running out of time so I'll leave it to just this one last question what if you had to pick maybe two to three tests that were worth running for somebody who might be at a place where they've gone to every doctor and their doctor keeps saying I don't know where this is coming from are there three tests or or resources that you would recommend for people to try to get to the bottom of what's going on? Well first of all the cholesterol testing is just garbage that's a whole nother topic I could spend you a year talking about that but you have to get a full panel it has to be an intricately one or intricately done one that covers all aspects apoblp.lpa particle size is you have to look at all aspects of that they don't always test fully for electrolytes you only get a couple I you do need to check into things like that but the heavy metals and the toxins and these things these things are like I don't even want to call them silent killers because they shouldn't be silent they're silent because nobody tests for them but you have to go get those panels done and look at these things but comp the keyword here is comprehensive you have to be comprehensive because the basic panels are important but they don't they only shed like a small percentage of the light that you need and unfortunately that's all they test for when you go in you're going to have to go buy these on your own or hire a naturopathic that will order them for you and do it and you know people can contact me and I can make recommendations on people I trust or at least you know places to go buy things or whatever I try to I try to answer when I can it's hard for me I I all want to help the world but I mean there's only so much time and everybody wants you to break everything down I used to be able to do it free and just do it but I I can't even answer messages for business anymore so but I do my best and that's why we put this out there and I'll try to put things on my website to help people too and that's that's a that's a good idea like a help page yeah and in the past I've even partnered with often if there's a certain lab test that you really like a lot of times if you partner with them then you can do it that way yeah and I know this has come up on a few episodes of basically what labs are worth running and which labs are not because a lot of them are really expensive and yeah sometimes it's not really commensurate with how great the test itself is just looking deep into cholesterol and heart stuff to me is so important it is just so important that those are the real real killers oh high-sensity c-reactive protein because that'll give you the inflammation numbers that you need and every disease starts with inflammation everything but see I like functional tests testing mitochondria for example and seeing how those you know it'll give you a score of like zero to seven seven means you need a lot of work and zero means you need none I just got a zero on mine so super thrilled about that yes but I did have some sevens on some talks since I didn't know I was exposed to like we just moved into a new house and there was probably paint and things that were showing up you know we're in the midst of a renovation every time I go in my house I'm like inhaling insulation and drywall dust it's brutal it will show every morning I've woken up my eyes have been super powerful they're in kind of like drain my face a little by little you brought up parasites a little while ago and not that I want to open a can of worms but are there any tests for parasites that you actually trust or if not what would be the process to figure out what you do and don't have and how do you deal with it those are like stool tests Genova is like a lab that's good that has more I'd say tried and true kind of results that a lot of people trust that's kind of a place I would look I'm not super versed on the parasite testing yet because I'm just kind of getting into it but that's a good lab that you can order one what's her name she's that the worm girl and I like her and I've talked to her and she's one Kim Rogers she's one I would talk to like and follow she's really really like that's her thing and she is like a solid individual like that I think that I would highly recommend to people and she's one I would look at because she really focuses on that she's a good person to to go to for that I don't want I don't talk out the side of my mouth when I don't know something in detail I've always understood the impact that parasites can have on whole body degradation but also mental health issues but I think most of my audience knows this some people can't handle parasite cleanses which my body is one of them which I almost wonder now that I've been on her's appetite for almost six months and I have cleared a lot of that inflammation I'm not having the lymph stagnation all those things I wonder if I'd actually be able to handle it now maybe when I did it last time my body blew up and on my labs came back that I had endotoxemia I think because you're trying to kill things off and then they're just getting stuck in your bloodstream yeah so we will try to get in touch with this Kim Rogers yeah Kim Rogers she's the one you know because parasites are clearly an issue and I think the more you start to dig into new research paradigms around cancer they also seem to very much be implicated in cancer as well so surely we need to figure out how to properly cleanse parasites but we also I think need to figure out how to properly open detox and drainage pathways for people like myself where just kind of taking a random stab at a parasite cleanse would probably do more harm than you understand the medications you know like everybody knows I've remected for parasites but that doesn't mean for all it doesn't mean it's it's a good medication but it doesn't it doesn't necessarily mean it would be what you would want that mean it's just one of you know different options I don't know enough about the medications but I do know that there's certain ones for certain things that are gonna treat like a penworm or whatever you know and just be smart don't just go take in random stuff go to Dylan's what there you go take what is the best way for our audience to keep in touch with you check out your podcast and I'm about to be on your podcast right after this so how can people get in touch 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Thank you I just figured you know for you were thinking it I just felt on the gaps for you're welcome thank you so much for coming on the show we will definitely do a part two because once all of your resources are up I would love to go a little bit more and on just dosings specifically and I have a dear friend who was talking to me about even doing seasonal dosing kind of like how different seasons of the immune system actually need different things so perhaps we can even dig into that too just kind of like if we were to break down over a year like what technically could a person need over the course of year I feel like that should be our episode part two so thank you so much for tuning in to this episode of decoded thank you for flying all the way out here to be in person and we will see you all next time bye bye Your brain isn't broken it's running an old code break method is a system that maps your neurological patterns decodes your emotional distortions and rewires your behavior fast no talk therapy spiral no getting stuck in your feelings just logic based rewiring in 20 weeks or less head to break method dot com and see what your brain is really up to Your brain is wired for deception but here's the truth patterns can be broken the code can be written once you hear the truth you can't go back so the only question is are you ready to listen