2833: Why Fitness Gimmicks Keep Fooling You And What Actually Works

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The latest fitness gimmick that come up every year. Listen, don't pay attention to them. They never work. They never have. Again, it's a huge waste of time and money. The basics. They always work. You know what the problem with that is? How little gimmicks they do work. They do work. How that's why they, well, they work. They do something or else they wouldn't, they wouldn't get popular. For example, thymaster. I mean, it works. It works. It builds muscle. It could be built muscle. You don't need, you don't need to build muscle on thymaster. Did you ever get a thymaster? Like build muscle? But you have to be like, I mean, you're not building a lot. Bro, I bet a couple of you would have a hard time doing it. With the thymaster. Yeah. You don't remember those? They were easy for people who don't, people who are too young to remember this. By the way, this is the number one selling piece of extra time in a full time. It's a spring. I think it's, I think a shake went past it now. The shake. Okay. See, good. Yeah. Uh, actually look it up. Doug. Say, what's the number one? What that ironically, you know, I guarantee you're right. No, you're right. You're right. Oh, I wouldn't be surprised if thymaster turned into it. No. Thymaster was a legit phenomena. I remember. I'd go to my aunt's house. I go to my cousin's house. Everybody had one. And it was a spring you put between your knees and you would just squeeze it. Yeah. And, uh, it's going to slim your thighs. No, it did nothing. The sole was. Doug, that's not true. You can't say it didn't, you can't say it did nothing. It would build a little bit of a size. Yeah. How much, just look up how much did the thymaster sell? Well, here's my point. I'll tell you. Every year. And by the way, we, minimal of any, let's just say, what you see often, because we've been doing this long enough is I see this, I see fitness, give us get recycled. Yeah. So you'll see something pop up. Like a good example is the belt that you wear that flexes your abs. The first one to come out of that was like in the fifties or sixties. Yeah. And every year it comes out. It's like, do they do a thousand crutches while you're at your desk? You know, type of deal. And it's a waste of time. What it works well for is making money. That's for sure. If you want to make a lot of money selling fitness equipment, come up with some weird gimmick and you're more likely to be successful. I hate to say it than selling. Well, you know, you know, it's hot. What's hot right now in regards to that is the new EMS machines. I've seen it. This is like, I always know when something's hot and trendy, when my non-fitness space people reach out to me, you know, seeing about paying for this session, like, to go to something that's like not your advice, that looks cool. By the way, the thymaster generated $300 million in revenue in 1990. 300. 10 to 15 million units. Okay. Wow. What's Shake Weight at? Yeah. 300 million. Dude, for spring, it's just in 1990. That's like, who invented it? Who's that guy? The thymaster. What's her name from? Yeah. Suzanne Summers. She promoted it. She probably like, I mean, made some royalties off of it. Yeah. Let's see what the, see what the Shake Weight. Oh wow. Suzanne Summers and her husband actually bought it, acquired 100% of the ownership of the product. I wonder at what point. Wow. Cause he had Chuck Norris's as total jam, but that actually had, you know, a little bit of a, yeah, but those were all people that represented the product, not actually invented the product. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He was paid. He was paid to do that. Although Suzanne Summers bought it. Yeah. See, she made 300 million herself. Wow. See how many shake weights have been sold. How many units I guess would say that the Shake Weight solds. I'm very interested in that. 50 million. Oh, not even close. Not even close. Wow. Well, I mean, would you, you'd count the scream as one of those, right? Cause like the Kardashians brought those, resurrected that whole thing. But it wasn't like a patented piece of gimmicky exercise equipment. It was the thing you wore. True. Um, but okay. So back to what you're saying. So the AMS is old science. So the EMS thing is electrical muscle stimulation. So when you, uh, when you put an electrode on a muscle and send a current through it, it'll cause the muscle to contract, right? And so the, by the way, this science has been around forever. Um, in fact, I remember, uh, I believe Bruce Lee used, uh, stuff like this, uh, back when he was working out. And so it doesn't make some muscle contract. And so the thought is, well, if I can put it on and have it contract a muscle, it's going to do something. Right. And what we find in the data, cause it's been around for a long time, is there's some benefit for, uh, reducing a certain amount of muscle atrophy with injury. Yeah. This is why it's made its way to physical therapy. Physical therapy. Yeah. Physical therapy is still use it. It's still, I mean, I have, I have a, I have one at my house, um, when rehabbing something that's an injury or without. So it makes sense for something like that to reduce atrophy. Um, but that's not what's popular right now. What's popular. Whole nother level. Yeah. So what's popular now is the, which I think it's, it's, it's comical. What you're either wearing this ridiculous suit or you bring in the whole, like you roll in the whole machine and attach it to you with wires and everything with that. And there's, there's these dudes that are working out now in the gym with it attached to them. Or like I said, they have these body suits and the, the science that they sell it with is that the, and we've talked about this before. Um, we've, in fact, we've used the science to, to, uh, refer to how a good in Olympic lifter can activate, uh, their muscles. That's what they're thinking. So a, a Olympic lifter is known to be able to tap into like 90% of their capacity, their work capacity or whatever, a muscle recruitment, right? The average person, when you go do it with the average person, when they bench press, uh, they only get about 60%. There's limiters. There's only, they only get about 6%. They don't, and so the, the science behind these and what they're, what they're showing is that you stick these things on your chest, this person who can only get 60% of muscle fiber recruitment on their chest. While they do a bench press and they're recruiting 90%. So what they're doing is they're conflating two different types of studies. So the one that you're referring to is your total force generation. So under duress, uh, you know, a mom, a car flips over, a kid is trapped underneath it. Mom is trying to move the car. Suddenly she can, the adrenaline overrides you. Yes. So that's different than muscle fiber recruitment, muscle fiber recruitment. Uh, when you train in, in proximity to failure, you're activating, uh, most of the muscle fibers. Yeah. It's force generation. So they're conflating two studies. Well, that was me who's conflating that. That's not them who's conflating. No, they were, they were saying muscle fiber recruitment. Yes. What they were saying. Yeah. No, anybody who works out, if you train, uh, with a certain level of intensity, you're going to recruit. Well, the closer you get to heavy load or a high intensity, the more muscle fibers, uh, you're going to recruit. So in another words, and this is the part where I think it's so stupid. And like when I see you doing this, this is like, uh, every rep trying to train to failure. Mm hmm. That's what they're, here's what they'll say cause I've had people try to sell it to me and they'll, they'll tell me about it. And I'm like, first off, uh, it's ridiculously inconvenient. I don't see how can anybody could do this anywhere. Oh, you're always going to add here to that for more than just a few novel experiences. Right. Oh, you're going to go sign up at a class because the class has his expensive equipment, how much is it going to cost you? Take that money and invest it in a good coach. Way better return. Way better return in progress. Absolutely. Um, it doesn't produce. Now I could see potential benefit for an advanced athlete for very specific applications with the right coaching and the right measurements. Uh, maybe, uh, I have yet to see, uh, anybody put this together. Yeah, I'm trying to think where I would. Yeah. So it got popular like always in the bodybuilder space first. Yeah. Well, because what they do is they say, again, this person told me, they said, uh, well, you should try it. This is like how people try to sell me Pilates or bar. Yeah. Well, why don't you try it? It's hard. Yeah. It'll make me sore. Yeah. So what? Yeah. You're hard. I can do, we could do, uh, what was that drumstick class we took? What I got sore from that, but dumb enough to return. I told you, never talk about that. She had a drum. And I was dying. I was burning. It was, it was so hard. You know what I'm saying? Like, does it mean I built more muscle? Yeah. Burn more body fat. Perceived difficulty doesn't necessarily translate. Um, it doesn't, it doesn't at all. It's silly, but all the gimmicks they keep coming out. Um, what they're doing is they're taking people away, uh, from it actually works. This is the part, this is the part that gets me a bit frustrated. Well, I also, so the point I would argue Sal is, is cause we, we, we tend to advocate for leaving two in the tank anyways and not training to failure. Anyways, close enough. So when I think about all of my clients that I trained all these years, uh, the ones that didn't get the results, the ones that never saw their goal, it wasn't, uh, for a lack of intensity in their workout. It wasn't because it was like, oh man, if I could have just got them to push harder in their workout, we would have got the results. It was adherence to the diet and consistency and everything else like that. They could have worked, in fact, those same clients that didn't see the results, I could have got them to work out with half the intensity. If they could have got the other stuff right and was consistent, they would have seen all the results. And so it's not like this is the answer that is going to solve most people that. So, and to your point, okay, if anyone's going to mess with this, my pro bodybuilder friends that are, I say astronauts and that's about it. Astronauts because of the lack of resistance, lack of resistance. Oh, okay. Muscle stimulus. Okay. In zero gravity and that's, that makes a lot of draw the line. Okay. That makes a lot of sense. Okay. I'll put you behind that. I'll tell you this much. Okay. You have a occlusion training. Occlusion training has actual data supporting it. This therapy. It does activate muscle fibers with weight, lighter load. We know this. Uh, is it even in the category of staples or things we would use with clients on it? Even semi-regular basis? No. No. It's so novel. In fact, I probably would never use it with a client and that has data supporting it because it's, it's kind of gimmicky. There's some applications for rehab. Um, and again, the super advanced bodybuilder who wants to throw in a little bit of novelty, maybe, you know, type of deal, but, uh, nothing is going to ever replace, uh, just traditional strength training with resistance, eating a good diet, having good sleep. Um, unless there's some radical, I don't know, gene, gene therapy or some kind of medical intervention, I know GLPs have made a big impact when it comes to weight loss just for suppressing appetite, but like exercise gimmicks, uh, exercise equipment, that kind of stuff. Even when you go to the gym, I'll tell you what, there's some awesome exercise equipment that's out there, awesome exercise machines. And the science that goes into those are remarkable. There's a whole, there's a company. I can't remember the brand. It's out of Italy. They call them the Ferrari, uh, of course, because they're from Italy, but the Ferrari of machines. I can't remember the name of it. Maybe Doug, you can look it up, but they're like really cool looking machines. Uh, biomechanics are amazing. You're not talking about the ones that transcend. Yeah. I believe they use them as well. I think they might've used them as well. I know that the reason why they were called the, they actually use the same manufacturer, does the leather in Ferrari offer the leather on there? Okay. Yeah. So it's not techno, uh, Panada, Panada. I've seen some equipment. Uh, in fact, if you click there, the equipment looks, that is them. That, okay. Some of their equipment looks incredible. Uh, is it like hammer strength or what? What's the type of level? Yes. Now what I would, you saw it. Yeah. You saw it. I did. I wasn't there. No, check it. You didn't go to the transcend thing. No, it's just you and me, Adam. Oh, it's just you and I that went there. Oh, yes. Why weren't they with us? What were you guys? Because it was negotiation stuff. Yeah. What are we going to do? Oh, that's what that one. We were just, I candy. Oh, that was the contract thing. Oh, they didn't finish paying. But so my point is you could take some of the best machines that are out there and could any one machine replace a barbell dumbbells? No. No, they couldn't. Just that are boy right there. Just basic. Is that Phil Heath? That was Phil Heath on the front. Is it really? Yeah, go back. They've got really interesting equipment. But my point is the gimmick stuff is just and this equipment is super expensive. Yeah. You know, yeah. It's still. Yeah, it's still. Yeah. So it just, you know, it comes out every year. It comes out every year. There's a new piece of extra side equipment. The new I remember one we went to. What was the convention? I don't know what you're talking about. The one rep thing that. Yeah. So it was a machine. That's what it was. Yes. It was a machine that you like imagine it's a bench press pushes hard as you can and the machine adjust its resistance to give you one max out rep. And yeah. And so and they're like, you could get a full workout three contractions. So it like emphasizes the isometric portion and the eccentric and it like loads. Like one rep is like doing 50 reps. He loves it. Yeah. All based because of intensity. Yeah. It's not true. Dave Asprey was all about. Dave Asprey is like, yeah. No, big, big proponent. It doesn't. It doesn't work that way. None of it works that way. Yeah. And if people took the money that they spent on these types of things and just hired a good coach. Yeah. Yeah. Everybody's looking for the novel, like quick answer. Well, that's why I wanted to bring it up because like I said, it's reached general pop when it was my, I seen it a long time ago. I think I brought it up over a year or two ago on the podcast when I saw my bodybuilder friends and people doing it. I was just like, Oh, this is the new thing that's hope it's hilarious. I thought it was hilarious. They're doing things. But it's like, I mean, I'm not going to criticize bodybuilder guys that are doing everything. Yeah. It's like, why not? Yeah. You know, why not do this novel thing? That's kind of cool or whatever like that. So it is what it is. But the average person who's trying to get in shape and sculpt their butt a little bit more, lose two inches on their way. It's like this, like you're going to suit up in this. Are inconsistent to begin with. Stupid this thing and shock the shit out yourself. So we're going to sore for two weeks. Like this is, that's the dumbest idea I've ever heard of. In fact, I'll, I'll say this, I'll say this because there's a belief around personal training that you have to, and yes, ideally you'd want to work with a trainer weekly, but would you get benefit? Could you get benefit from training with a trainer once a month? Yeah. Sure. Yes. And it's more valuable than anything else. You get guidance. A really good one. Yeah. If you spend $100, because the typical trainer will charge anywhere between 60 to 120 bucks an hour. So let's say you spend a hundred bucks once a month, meet with a trainer. There is nothing else you could spend a hundred bucks a month on that will come close to the value you're going to get from just a good, a coach. And what's that coach going to use? A good coach, traditional basics. Understand workout programming. They don't know how to manipulate it for you. Um, and when you follow a good program, here's the thing. When you follow a good fitness program, most of the time it doesn't feel like you're going to die. Most of the time it's hard, but you feel good. And occasionally you have those workouts where you feel like you're going to die, but it's not the other way around, which is what people, I think that's how they judge, I mean, yeah, fitness equipment. Our whole concierge program is built off of that exact philosophy. Is this idea that, you know, just, even just meeting with a coach once a month with them, even virtually, is significantly more valuable than 90% of all those gimmicky stuff that you can do out there because of the guidance and, and information and knowledge that you're getting every time you get on, get on a call with them. So, yeah, I don't know. And when's the last time you guys got anything that was fitness, fitness, gimmicky that you use? Oh my God. Like us bought it personally? Yeah. Have we ever? Have you ever bought a gimmicky fitness thing? There's a couple. I've been given a lot of weird stuff, you know, like, let's see, like that one door frame, like foam roll thing and, yeah, I mean, it's, it's like novel because then you don't have to lay down, but it's like, you can kind of do it in your own way. Are you talking about that? Oh, well, we had that one that, that company wanted to work with us, gave us that, that plastic one that was like, you stick your arm in it and so on. Yeah, that too. Those are all still in the vibrating ones. Like, yeah, yeah, those are cool. Yeah, those are all given to us though. Yeah, I know. I have that. I'll tell you, I've used a couple and they're not even gimmicky. They're still the test of time. What's that? I used the shoulder, what's it called? Shoulder horn. I think it was for rotator cuff exercises. Yes. That's been around for decades and it's actually pretty good. It's not the best thing you could do for shoulder stability, but it's a great, it was a decent. Oh, the preachy, cool. You're kind of cool. Oh yeah. Those are not preachy. Arm blaster. Arm blaster. That's been around since the 60s. That's kind of cool. Yeah. That's a, that's the one that you wrap around your neck and then it hangs over you and it keeps your elbows in a locked position like that. That's right. Those are cool. That's right. The wrist roller where you, to work your forearms, that's been around for decades. I mean, I was into the rope battle, you know, conditioning for a minute. Yeah. I was into that. I could see that for stamina, but I liked it. I honestly, like just because of like, I had the whole turkey neck thing on. I was like, really like insecure about it. I, that's a good, that's a good call. I did the, I mean, that was boot camp era, right? Yeah. And that was the only reason why. Did you bring ropes to the park? Yes. Wow. That's the reason why it was cool is because it was an easy tool you could carry. I could buy four of them and carry them in my little wagon to a camp. Boot camps are just about keeping people busy. It's about keeping people busy. That is so true. And what is the, what is the smallest equipment that you could bring with you? That is hard to fit in your car. That's the science behind it. This is how you science, dude. This is what you need to do. Making hearts somehow. You need cones, a rope, what else do you get? A kettlebell, a TRX, a TR, or you're good. Yeah, yeah, and ropes. Yeah, and ropes. And then you have some hole. Yeah, yeah. A whole set of business right there. I think that's most of what I had right there. Yeah, bands. And some bands. Yeah, you're done. Yeah. And then you got yourself like a seven station little. If you get weights, you got to be kind of careful. Well, that's because you're rich. It's wild. We're doing that. Yeah. If you get dumbbells in a boot camp, that's an expensive. Yeah, that's a lot of that's a lot of unloading and loading too. You don't do that. Maybe a kettlebell or two. Yeah. Same for a station. Did you have to pay? I said a question. Did you ever have to pay the parks? I had to get a permit. You did, huh? Yeah, yeah, you had to get a permit. Yeah, well, I just kept moving park to park. That's what I did. So I was a little more established. There was like. OK, I'm serious. I'm just a little bit more legitimate here, guys. You're fine. I was just dabbling. Yeah, I was like one on one. Yeah, for a hot second. Well, I had trainer underneath me and everything doing. I mean, I had multiple camps running. What was the name of it? We love to hate Adam fitness. Wow. Yeah, why do you like that? What's up with that name? That's what my clients used to say that we just love to hate Adam. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they used to say that. And so that was like the they just. But you're so likable. Yeah. I hate you. It says the guy who never says that. I think. I was just being so casting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Anyway, yeah, that's crazy. All right, I got a study for you guys. That's interesting. You guys know what your three all is? Your your ith, your ith retol. Your ith retol. You know what that is? I've heard of it. So this is a it's an organic sugar alcohol. It's got almost no impact on blood sugar. Is it either low or no calories? Uses a sweetener. It's used as a sweetener and it's often used as a sweetener and like keto, whatever. OK, or sugar free products that or. You don't get any like insulin spike or any. It has almost negligible effect on insulin. Wow, it's super low calorie and because it's not artificial, you could say something's natural and no sugar, right? OK, there's a problem with it, though. It's been connected to blood clots. Oh, yeah. In fact, I pulled up some some some studies are going around. That's not good. No, there's some interesting studies that are popping up about this. So in 2023. They looked up. They looked up. They did observational data from a 4,000 patients. Higher circulating erythritol levels were associated with an increased risk of major adverse cardiovascular events, including heart attacks, broken death. So they said, let's look at the mechanisms. Is it just like a random association or is it actually causing this? At physiological concentrations, erythritol enhanced platelet reactivity and accelerated thrombosis formation. This was in a mouse model and in vitro. So then they did a small pilot intervention of eight healthy volunteers and they showed that ingesting erythritol, the amount that you would find in a processed food, caused a massive and sustained rise in plasma and plasma erythritol, what you would expect, high enough to trigger the platelet changes that would seem in lab tests. So then they did a follow up human intervention study. And with this study, they did it was a randomized crossover parallel design with healthy volunteers. They consumed a drink with 30 grams of erythritol, which is what you'll find like a sugar free soda or similar product or 30 grams of glucose. So comparing the two, erythritol, of course, you consume that. You see it rise in blood plasma and every single subject platelet aggregation response has increased significantly to multiple agonists at various doses. Platelets also showed enhanced release of granule markers. So it very well, maybe one of those quote unquote natural, uh, you know, sugar free sweeteners, that's not good. That's not good. Now, is that partly because is it like we do with anything else? Even though it's natural, um, just like cane sugar is, we concentrate the hell out of it. And so probably, I don't know where you would consume it naturally. Where do you find your erythritol? We're eating. I have no idea. Plant. But this is, this is, this sucks because people consume these products. If somebody's consuming a product that is sweetened with your erythritol, it's probably because they're health conscious. Like you're not seeking that out unless you're trying to avoid sugar, right, lower calories, improve your health. Um, and what they're finding is that it's, um, that it might actually be really bad for you. Small amounts in fruit. So yeah, they concentrate the hell out of it. Yeah. So I know. Kind of crazy, right? Yeah. I know. Just made everybody sad. Sugar free options. Well, I tell you, I tell you what, I mean, regular old sugar is better, probably better for you. Probably is most, most always moderation. It's one of those things. Like I know people go sugar free to, to, um, control their calories. Stevia seems to be good. Some of the artificial sweeteners. I have lots and lots of studies, uh, but I'm not fully convinced. Um, and I do think that if something tastes sweet, there's always some kind of an effect, even if it's just behavioral, um, which is still an effect, right? So, uh, I don't think it necessarily, okay. To give you, as a coach, did you ever have like this huge successful clients who were just like, I'm going to go artificially sweeten with everything? Did that ever solve? No, I didn't get to the root of it. Yeah. I know. Interesting. That's crazy. I know. Yeah. I know. I know. Like you said, it sucks because you're, you think you're making the healthier choice and you end up making something that's, uh, arguably worse for you. Yeah. Yeah. Drinking a regular old soda. You know, there's something of the said, and we've talked about this before about having something like that, that has the sugars in it. Is it has a natural limiter on it? Cause you know there's calories. Cause you know there's calories when they're like, and I know I'm guilty of this. Yeah. You were, you were a big sugar free. Yeah. A big Diet Coke drinker. And so you still drink a lot of Diet Coke? Not a lot. I still get them, um, but I limit. So like kind of our rule is, uh, I buy a 12 pack of 12 of, of, uh, Diet Coke at the beginning of the month and that's kind of last. Are you diet or Coke zero? Diet Coke. Okay. I don't like Coke zero. It's too sweet. Wow. The reason why I like Diet Coke over regular Coke is one's aspartame, one's sucralose. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. I think I think Coke zero is better for you. I don't know. Yeah. I know aspartanes diet. Look at that. I think, I think, I think I do the worst one. So, okay. Yeah. I think aspartanes. Only when you smoke cigarettes you have it, right? So you're at two, you know, uh, no, so that's kind of like been my thing is like, I'll, I'll get a 12 pack at the beginning. That's kind of last Katrina has Diet Coke also. So it's like the two of us have got, you know, six or so to, to last us through the month and then when it's gone, it's gone type of deal. That tends to work really well for me. Cause I do still like it. What, which one's which done? Yeah. Aspartame is, uh, is Diet Coke zero is a blend of Aspartame and, uh, ace K. Oh, I thought it was sucralose. I thought it was two. Sucralose is the big, uh, fitness supplement sweetener. That's the one you'll find in, um, artificially sweetened supplements. It's always sucralose. Yeah. It's always with a, but they pick what's in Celsius cause that's my other, my other poison I take. Sucralose. I think maybe look that up. I can see that's gotta be that one. Yeah. I know, um, I know I read this about urethritol because, uh, back in the day, I would point to that one as a better option, uh, as a trainer, probably 15 years ago. Hmm. That was, you know, when I would talk about natural meat. Yeah. But I mean, like you, like I was saying though, the, the, the downfall of it is that when, what I think is that you can, you justify having more and more and more. And then I would argue that the behavioral stuff because the Coke by itself is normally not that good. It's you want it with something else, you know, what I found that's interesting is that when, that people who consume, I find this really interesting. People who consume a lot of diet soda begin to prefer its taste. That's me. That's the reason why I drink Diet Coke. It has nothing to do with the calories. I, if you, oh yeah. If I have a, I won't drink a Coke inside or if I, if I have no diet Coke and I have a Coke in the refrigerator, I won't, and I'm under my calories by a thousand calories, I won't drink the Coke. I don't like it. It's too sweet. Regular Coke is too sweet. Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. Yeah. I like the taste of the, the diet. Have you tried, you've tried the Coke zero. No, the real Coke. Oh, I do like that. I do like Mexican Coke. That's what yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I do like regular. It does taste better. The, the other Coke though, and Pepsi have just, I don't, I don't like it. So yeah, I know I prefer the, that's the reason why I like it. It's not, it's not a, it has nothing to do with dieting. I'm not, I'm not choosing it. It's the taste. Yeah. For the, like the calorie saving at all. Well, my point is that because you know it's calorie free, you can easily go, Oh, I have another one. Oh, especially when you're like a fitness person and you're just trying. Yeah. So I absolutely have been guilty before of having three in a day. You know what I'm saying? So, uh, and that's why I've put parameters of, okay, here's my 12 for the month. Like you have them all in 12 days in a row, or I can like use it judicially when it's like, Oh, it's Friday, movie night, and we're having popcorn and I'll enjoy a diet Coke with my popcorn or something like that. So I got something else too. That's interesting. Uh, that I just read this article. They may have this good news for you, Justin, a pill for sleep apnea. I was just going to ask you about that. We were just talking on our walk. Yeah. Cause like one of those things I had just heard the other day that a lot of, um, cavities are actually more related to the fact that it's apnea or like your mouth's open when you're sleeping versus you actually just consuming sugar. And I was like, Oh man. Yeah. Saliva is anti cavity. So if you have like people who suffer from dry mouth or people have surgery or chemo, let's say from mouth cancer, they don't produce saliva. They're cavity rate goes through the roof. Yeah. Through the roof. It's crazy. Yeah. More than sugar. Yeah. It's your son. This is your mouth microbiome. It will make or break whether or not you get cavities or anything. So like in my family, I don't get cavities. I've never had a cavity ever. My sister, she gets, she just think about cavities and she gets it for whatever reason. Yeah. Um, and it's like that she gets a music. She doesn't get it. I get them. Yeah. Yeah. So, but anyway, so there are clinical trials that just came out that they may, uh, have found a, uh, medication that stops sleep apnea. It's an anti seizure medication. So he's got to wait. But you know what's weird about this? We did. I thought sleep apnea, I didn't realize, and I guess it is, I didn't realize that it's related to muscle control. I thought it was just because you're bigger, bigger neck, whatever. Yeah. But it actually makes sense because it's very thick. I do know that when I eat gluten and I know gluten can have effects on some people's central nervous system, I know people are going to light up the comments, but you look it up. Um, when I have gluten, I'll snore way more. So I know there's some kind of an effect, but this anti seizure medication, uh, they're finding, uh, had a really positive effect. Okay. Now the question is you want to take an anti seizure medication or just wait, just wear the natural mask or whatever or lose some weight. I'm feeling I'm doing the dark side. If I do that, yeah. Gosh. Well, some people don't even, they don't even have to be overweight. They just, they just snore. Yeah. Yeah. I know gaining weight makes it worse, but that's, it's only, that's when I feel like it when I, if I will, is if I'm, if I'm overweight, if I'm down weight, I don't, I don't seem to have any issues like that, or I should take that back. It allergy season can get me sometimes too. If I'm really congested up here or sick, like that, that can, uh, that will give me, do you, uh, do you every night? Are you in? I used to justify as I'd sleep on my side and in Courtney was like, yeah, you don't really snore if you're on your side, but then when I roll and I'm on my back, it's bad. Like it just, do you wake yourself, you ever wake yourself up story? I have before. And it's the only time that happens is when I'm like on the couch and we're watching something, I'm just out cause I have to do that a lot lately. You have a big kid. You're a dude. It's all the labor. A million things. You got a second job right now. I do. Yeah. Are you doing more digging at home? Yeah, but I'm finally kind of like I, so I have a tractor now, which is, you know, a huge blessing, a buddy. Are you driving it? Uh, he's, he's like, yeah, he showed me. I, it was cool cause he was like, you know, every dude, when you see a big, uh, piece of equipment, it's like, you're a little kid again. Yeah. Yeah. Like, so yeah, he, he showed me all the levers and whatnot. And I'm out there like, you know, digging and using the bucket. So yeah, we just started kind of finally making progress cause dude, me by myself and then, you know, in Courtney is so funny cause like, um, these contractors will come by the house and like Courtney's there and she's talking about how much digging she does and like, she'll point to the digging, but they assume it's all the digging and then I meet them and they're like, you make your wife. What are you doing? Like, they all think she did all that herself. I'm like, no dude. But anyways, you're like, she did that. Yeah. She did this, but I let her take credit. But anyways, um, yeah, a lot. We've been doing a lot. We've been doing a lot of digging and, and chopping and I'm tired. I ever tell you guys my tractor story. I told you my tractor story, right? Tell it again. You lost control. It was a long time ago. Huh? Did we talk about it on here? Oh yeah. A long time ago. Oh, you did. Yeah. Real long. You like lost control, right? Yeah. So I was, I was, uh, let's see here. I'm, I had just got the job there. So I'm, I'm 16 or 17. It's early, early in the, in the job was the first time I ever, because I ended up driving it a lot, but it was the first time I ever driven a tractor at all. And my boss, uh, teaches me, and it's a, so I got a front loader and then we have a big tractor that's hooked to a huge trailer that's got all the fertilizer in it. And I'm low, or I'm loading and dumping it, having a blast. Like I learned all the stuff. I'm like, Oh, this is cool. And there's a big pile and I'm like loading it up. And then it's a bunch of wood ash that we're taking out to fertilize the hundred acres and, uh, learned how to do that. All fine. Loaded this whole big trailer up and then it's got this old tractor that it, that's going to pull it out to the, to the back. And it, the way this, this ranch is set is it's on, it's on the crown of a mountain like this. So we're on the top of the hill is where the dairy sits and down below in the valley is like the hundred acres of grass. And then we have a giant canal that runs down at that we irrigate with. And at the, and at the very bottom of the, of the, of the valley where it goes out into the, all the pastures is a huge telephone pole that's been cemented like into the ground that we run all the barbed wire fences off where we can run all the gates and stuff. And so I'm on the top of this. He teaches me how to drive it. I'm having a blast. And then he teaches me how to use the second one. He's like, Hey, this second one, you're going to drive it all the way off the back of the pasture. And, uh, and mind you, he like teaches me and then he goes off and he's doing his own thing. So I'm by myself this whole time I'm doing this. And, uh, he's like, when you, when you drive this one, he goes, it doesn't have brakes. So you just need to keep it in a really low gear. And if you have ever driven a tractor, tractors all have what we call a granny gear, which is like, it like crawls. It'll go down a hill. Slow. Yeah. Oh yeah. You could take a tractor down a hill as slow as you want to go basically. And so he's like, just keep it in a low gear. As you go down the hill and then after you get over the hill, then you can shift up and then you can speed up. We could go wrong. You have a kid attracted with no brakes. I know, I think back now is like a 40 something year old man, because he's only in his probably 30s at this time. And he's like, who gives the keys to the key? No breaks. First day you're learning how to do this. Right. So I get on there and, uh, and so like I said, it's, it's at the crown of this mountain. So we're kind of at the top and I've got the trailer behind me and I'm like, okay, I put in great gear and it's like, and I'm not kidding. It's crawling. It's like this. And I'm like, oh my God, at this rate, at this rate, I'm going to be an hour before I just get over the crown. So I've like put it in a little bit higher gear first gear. So just so I get a little bit of speed to get over, over the hill. So I want to get it over the hill to get it down. And then as I get over the crown of the hill, it's picking up a little bit of speed, but I'm still, you could walk as fast as it. So I'm not tripping yet. And then it keeps going. And then as it starts to sort of pick up a little bit of speed, I go to down shift. Oh no, you can't get it in. So I go to downshift it into the granny gear and neutral. And so yeah, that's a neutral right now. And I'm trying to get it down in the granny gear with clutch in. And I'm in it. It keeps kicking it out and it's slowly starting to pick up speed. And I'm panicking, trying to get it into the granny gear, not, not realizing. I probably should just put it into first or a lower gear. And so then now I'm realizing, can't get in there. So then I'm trying to put it in the next gear. I can't get it in first gear because it's kitchen's too much speed. So at this point, this thing is now it's just, I mean, I got a ton of wood ash behind me. Oh no, dude. That's pushing the thing. I get so much speed coming out of this hill, my front two tires are bouncing off that. So I'm like, now at this point, there's no gear. And I got this big steering wheel and the front tire is like bouncing. And I'm, and I'm heading down this hill and I told you, there's a huge canal. And there's a little bridge. So a little bridge that goes over it. That's no wider than, I don't know, half of our studio. And on the left is the water. And on the right is the water. And then down the middle is the trail. And I'm, and I'm like, wheels are up. I'm pointing towards the water over here. And then I guess I'm spinning the wheel, then the kid, the wheels catch this way. And then I'm pointing to that water. And so the whole time I'm doing this, going down the, going down the hill, I hit that telephone pole like a toothpick. It doesn't just shatters right through that, catch the tires at the bottom, yanks me over, I go flying into the canal. Into the canal. So, and then half the track, half of where I'm at goes, I mean, the battery comes up flying out of it. Just shit everywhere. Wood ash from behind me over the top of me. So covered in black soot. Wow, dude. You could have died. Oh, totally. I was totally fine. I mean, I, a little bit of bumps and bruises, but, uh, did you think about jumping out? No, I would be afraid of for it to run me over. Yeah. Yeah. Especially the way it was going. It was so out of control. I knew I had to try and ride it out and like, oh my God. Yeah, yeah. Wrote it out and then the, what do you say when he's sketchy? I mean, he, I mean, I'm like frozen. I'm so scared and sitting on it still after it's all crashed and, and, and done. And I look back, I see him like running down the hill, like a full speed to come over. And luckily he was cool. Like he was obviously more, I'm sure at that point I go like, what was I thinking, putting some 17 year old kid, you know, so he was probably scared to death. You know, that I, I didn't get, you know, I wasn't hurt. And, you know, I was so embarrassed that I'm not like, I don't think I told my parents. Like, I don't think I was like, I shared that story way later to people. Wow, bro. Yeah, you could have died. That's gnarly. You know, it didn't feel like life or death scary. I think as I'm going down, I'm like, you're like, are we getting trouble? Yes. I'm more like, I'm about to crash this trap to be like expensive. Yeah. Yeah. I'm definitely losing this job. I didn't, I worked there for like three years after that and for us, it was all good, but did all never forget that. That was my, my first day ever driving a tractor. That was, that's what went down. Yeah. Yeah. You just made me remember us back in the day when I had to go work on my dad. One of his helpers had me turn a light off so he could switch so he could like fix a wire and that piece of crap dude totally just pranked me so hard, bro. He goes to touch the wire and acts like he's getting electrocuted because I'm the one holding the switch. I'm like, oh, he's like starts laughing at me. I'm like, oh my God, I had to walk out of the room. I thought I electrocuted that. That's so good. Yeah. That's typical. Anyway, I wanted to go over what women can expect from using testosterone because it is getting quite popular now. So hormone therapy is popular. It's pretty mainstream now. It pretty de-stigmatized, especially with women, I feel like these days. It's, it's, it's very, it's very de-stigmatized. De-stigmatized. It's going mainstream. And the part that is, that more women are opening their minds to is the use of testosterone because testosterone is, you know, we would, we would widely consider it male hormone, but a lot of people don't realize that women have testosterone. Just like men do. It's not a male hormone. It's a higher percentage in men, but women need testosterone just as much as men do. And it's responsible for the same things in women as it is in men. The libido drive energy. And it is one of the aesthetic hormones. So of the hormones that you could take and, you know, use therapy for the ones that will produce the biggest visual change in your body in terms of body fat muscle, that stuff, testosterone and thyroid. Yeah. Those are the two. Yeah. But testosterone is, uh, this is the one people feel the most. Women all, they'll talk about it and say, Oh yeah, going on testosterone was like life changing in terms of how I mean, it's so cool to see how far we've, we've come with that. I mean, when you look at all the, the great female doctors that we've had on this show that they all, I mean, that's, that's part of like normal therapy now. It's getting to a place where it's like, especially once you get to a certain age, I was listening to Katrina's conversation with her doctor. She had her on speakerphone over driving and it's like, it's just, it's become, uh, almost common practice now that once you reach a certain age, uh, they introduce thyroid and testosterone almost as like the goat. It sounds like that's the go to first two. Is that correct? Normally. Which ones? Thyroid and testosterone. Yeah. So, yeah. Like that's what he was telling her while she was going to her. Cause I, we talked before she got on and I'm like, I'm really curious to hear if he's, if he plans to put you on testosterone anytime soon. It's one of the first ones. Yeah. And, but he told her hers is so good. She's so good everywhere else. Uh, he's like, thyroid is the only thing that you can use a little bit of it. And she, he even has her on a minimal dose. He's like, if you notice that you don't have the energy of this or that. And she's like, no, he's like, we could turn it up a tiny bit. He goes, but I'd rather save that till you're feeling that way. And he goes eventually, it's just the very straightforward hormone, uh, when they use it now, they'll, they could play with the dose a little bit, but you know, hormone therapy will, will involve sometimes progesterone in some cases estrogen, but testosterone, you're right. It's one of the first ones that, because you feel it improves your quality of life, build muscle, burn body fat. Uh, it's a safe hormone. Well, and then you, what I think is so powerful about that is then, you, you, you couple the, the downstream effects you get from building muscle, having energy, like it's not just, it gives you that direct energy and strength and muscle, but it's like, then the downstream effects of having more muscle, having more energy. It's like, it was a big one. Yeah. Labido sleep. All those things. So there was this big, like, um, study, and I got to bring this up because, um, they, this, and you'll see this, there was a study of over 80,000 women age 50 or older, um, on hormone replacement therapy and they tied it. So I'm just talking about this because it's going viral. They tied it to cancer and vascular events. Now here's why this is super misleading. Um, what's included in this is birth control is not non bio, uh, identical hormone. So if you took a, like a lot of women are put on, on birth control type hormone therapy, either to stop, to regulate bleeding or for acne or for period pain or for other reasons, uh, you know, a progestin is not the same as progesterone. Right. It's like anabolic steroids versus testosterone testosterone is a natural hormone in men. Does that mean you can go take D ball? Uh, and you're not going to get negative effects. No, that's a derivative of, uh, it's a type of an androgen, but it's going to cause all kinds of negative. So what they took with this is they took a glum, lump of women, most of them on what are cons, what are called non bio identical hormones. So these are not hormones that are like the ones in your body. These are chemically altered like hormones and like those are the ones that birth control. Yes. And those are the ones that cause issues. But when you want hormone, like if you go to like our partners at, uh, eight, um, uh, mp hormones.com, if you go there and they test your hormones and say, okay, we can do hormone therapy with you. They use the same hormones that are in your body. They don't put you on these other, uh, you know, uh, derivatives or, or, or, uh, chemically different, uh, hormones that you'll see sometimes see women be put on these are actual, like progesterone, testosterone, thyroid, like the, like the actual, have you guys been getting all the, uh, Phil with Vita Bella as the company, who we work with now and stuff and fills the founder, the amount of, I was just visiting my, my godson had his, his birthday just a little past weekend. And we were out there and, uh, my, my best friend's wife is a nurse and has like, I didn't realize how many nurse friends that she had that was, that have gone through us and yeah. They've been going through us for a long time and they've now experienced the transition and they're like, oh dude, so much. I mean, to the point, I didn't, I didn't bring it up. I didn't even know. I didn't realize all of them. They had, we were at a big birthday party and I was like, oh my god. Yeah. I guess Phil's gotten on the phone with a few of them even. I saw that. Yeah. Yeah. And, and they're like the founder like called me. I was like, oh, I appreciate that. I don't know. The mate. So shout out to Phil. I know that he knew that when we, when we made this transition, that it was so important to us that our customers felt that first, right? Like obviously we shot the round for what was going to be the, the best dose. Legally, obviously we went for the, the no sales team thing too, to where you're actually speaking to a medical professional, like all these other things were obviously super important. But then at the end of the day, it was like, take care of our customers because that's what I feel like what wasn't getting done. And so the experience that I've been getting or feedback I've been getting has been, has been incredible. So it's, it's really cool. So did you guys hear about what they did with the fruit fly brain in a computer? The fruit fly. Did you hear about this, Justin? I did. Yes. We knew about that. So I'm going to pull this article up and I'll kind of read what they do. They're able to literally digitally map. So fruit fly brain. So we often use fruit flies because. Predictively. They're very basic, like brain, very easy or whatever. Oh, I think I heard you saying so. A neurotechnology company, Eon Systems took a complete digital map of our fruit flies brain. So they took the whole brain and recreated it digitally. Yep. Then they ran it inside a virtual fly body. Yeah. In a simulated world. So the fly on the computer was running off of this, this digital map of an actual fruit fly. So it's just like what a fly would do. So in other words, there wasn't like some sort of a mathematical formula or equation or pathway that it was programmed to follow. It was random. It was just, they took the brain of the. React. Yeah. How the mapped brain essentially digitized it. It's an exact copy of this brain, but in the computer. How do you prove that? I don't know how to stop it. How do you prove that, Doug? What do you mean prove that? Don't put holes in it, Adam. It's. No, no, no, no, no, no, no. You can technically, you can do this, but they started with the fruit fly brain because it's super, super basic. Yeah. Super basic. I mean, what's more basic than that? Maybe like a worm. So they did this, then they turned it on and the fruit fly in the computer, which now had a brain that's like a fruit fly. It behaved just like a fruit fly. Yeah. On its own. They didn't tell it to do anything. It literally did everything that a fruit fly would do on the computer. Now put that in Sims. Well, now listen, it's not stopping there. Uh, they're going to try to do the same for a mouse brain next. And eventually they're going to try and do a human brain. This is that show upload, dude. Bro, can you just hold on a second? If they, if they technically could do this, let's say they do a mouse brain. Does the mouse on the computer think it's in a real world? Of course it does. It has to. If that's the case, why would they do a human brain? Are you going to have like this human on your computer that's like, thinks it's real? Hey, let me out. Let me out. Bro, there's some black mirrors. It is. It's black mirrors, dude. The horrors. I know. I mean, so it's not until we, we reach a conscious brain that we can even prove how valid this is or isn't right. I don't know. Cause like, okay. So like, I don't think they know what they're doing. So go down the chain from fruit fly to mouse or to these animals like, and you, we're all watching this, this thing act on there. Uh, how, how do we prove it's, it's, it's, it's. I don't know. Yeah. I can't, I can, where I, the, the human brain is the only way cause, cause then the human would get in there and be like, let me, they freak out. Well, it's, it's reactive. It's not necessarily like, uh, consciously that's what I mean. It's not until, and not until you have a conscious mind, it's a sequence. It's a good question. So until it's a conscious mind that they try and map in there, they're not, they're not digitizing consciousness. It's not happening. No, they're, they, they theoretically, they think they will. They're not. Did you guys watch that black mirror episode where people had like, they look like phones and on there you had a, a clone of yourself in your phone as your assistant and it literally thought it was you. And so this woman turns her phone on and it's her in the phone. She's like, Hey, where am I? Where am I? She's like, Hey, you work for me. You're my assistant now. Let me out of here. Let me out of here. She's like, no, you're going to do what I say. I don't know. And she's like, I don't want to do what you say. So she pushes a button and it simulates 30 days where this woman is in this blank room for 30 days. Like punishment. And then she turns it's like, I'll do whatever you want. I'll do whatever you want. I can't watch that show. Bro. It's too twisted. Yeah. Well, it's like those concepts like are almost like you could believe something. Yeah. It's like, oh, yeah. I feel like we're going down. I hate that. I hate that. It's creepy going down that. All right. I'm going to change subject. Yeah. We're pausing. Did you guys know, did you guys know that butcher box has tater tots? Tots. You could buy tater tots. Damn. Yes, dude. Tater tots. Are they healthy? You're finally. I don't care. I don't care. You don't care. Nobody needs healthy tater tots for healthy. I love tater tots. I love tater tots. Love it. Well, I mean, they can't. They also have French fries. They could be healthier the way they're fried. They're not. Because I mean, all they are white potatoes that are deep fried. I wouldn't be healthy. Are they deep fried in something else like peanut oil or something healthier? Like normally they take the potato and they make coat it with a little bit of oil, then you put it in the air fryer and you make it. But these come in a bag and you just throw them in the oven. Well, yeah, because they've already been done that. So I'm so curious. Yeah, but they're not fried prior. No, they're typically, I think. They're just raw, raw, raw tomato. Oh, I see. The oil is on the potato. It's on the potatoes. And then you cook it in the oven. I see. Is that, you know, that you can look at. I mean, I've purchased not from Butcher box, but I've purchased other ones. Look at the tater tots on Butcher box. But see what the tater tots you talk about. Tater tots. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm super. I'm super. Bro, I am a huge tater. I don't know about you guys, but that's like one of my favorite. Oh, yeah. Maybe one of my favorite. Is that sneak them in? You know, where you, hey, where you went with the boys, did you know that they were, they were, they're famous for their tater tots, that bowling alley. Oh, they are. Yes. Did you not have any? No. Oh, bro. Did you have the pretzel? Did you have the pretzel there? No, we didn't eat. We didn't really eat there. Oh, I'm so. Yeah. We ate before we got there. Well, that was what, what, what makes that place so sick is they have like a, they have a, like a famous chef that is working out of there. Oh, so all the stuff, all the food is amazing. Wow. At a bowling alley. Like no one thinks like it's amazing. I had no idea. Yeah. There's like nobody there when we went, it was like, why open? I was like, oh, this is rad. There's like nobody here. All the lanes. Oh, what's so. Oh, I didn't know that. Yeah. So I stand corrected. I thought you were talking about the French fries, but the tater tots are fried in avocado oil. Oh, so they're done. That's better. Yeah. So I figured they would do something. They know, right? There's two, there's two foods that I'll eat until I'm really up. Chips and tater tots. Well, three foods, potato chips, French fries and tater tots. You could put, I don't care how many you put in front of me. I'm going to eat them until I, until I can't. Yeah. That's, that's how much I like them. I wonder if I sound like you're having to try and get some of those. Why is that? And I was just, do they have a, do they have a special going on? And normally they have something cool going on where if you sign up, you get something cool right now. You get free ground beef for life in your box. That's, I could, that's what I cooked yesterday. Three pounds. Okay. So listen, this is the, the ultimate meal prep. I'll give you guys, this is the meal prep hack for everybody. And it's cheap. You cook a bunch of ground beef and a bunch of rice. All of you can mix it together. I'll give you, I'll give you even the crazy, the tasty version of, of that. What I do. So I do three, I do three pounds because that's all I can fit in my big old iron skillet. I would do four, if I could fit four in there, three pounds fits inside there. Montreal steak seasoning. That's all it needs on it. So season it, season it with that. No, you don't need no oil, no, nothing inside the iron skillet. Just literally straight dump it in there and do that. I cook it slow so that I can also take a whole onion. I saute the whole, put a little bit of olive oil in a pan. First you saute the onion separately. Yeah. Set there separate. So we're the mushrooms and so was that. So I got three pans that are running. Okay. No, it's not. It's cause it all gets done at the exact same time and it's amazing. So the mushrooms are being sauteed in ghee and garlic salt. So mushrooms are on a slow simmer with, and I do two whole things of mushrooms with, uh, with the ghee and garlic salt in it. And then I have my onions with olive oil also on low simmer. And then they're all cooking around the same time. Takes about 30, 45 minutes. And then when they're done, you just mix that all together and then you add your scoop of whether you're doing one cup or half cup rice. Katrina's half cup rice on one cup rice. There's your meal prep, bro. That's so good. It sounds delicious, but it's too much work for me. What? Yeah. I know you and Doug are like little chef. That is not, that is like easy, dude. That's way more hard than what I do. I go ground beef, seasoning, rice. Done. Yeah. Like I'm, like I'm, like I'm a, like I'm a bachelor and call it. I mean, the hardest part, I guess is I got to chop the onions up. And then I can buy chopped onions. I guess you could just skip that part too. If you really want to. And you just literally dump it in the oven. You just leave it. If Justin and I were roommates, we would eat. Yeah. Pretty super frozen, frozen burritos, top ramen, tater tots. Oh, they like burger patties. I mean, that's gotta be one of the, that's gotta be one of the most cheesy basic block of cheese, dude. It's so easy to cook what I just said. There's no, there's, it's not tricky at all. It's super easy, quick, so good. Well, yeah, you get, cause you get the, you get the, the G and the garlic sauce that's soaked, gets soaked up with that mushroom. So that adds a little nice to that lean, that lean. No, no, no, listen, it sounds delicious. It sounds really delicious. You don't have to sell me on the flavor, but when you say, too hard, you said multiple hands, just too hard. Hey, you went multiple pandas, my head was already in my head. I was like, nah. So what I, okay. So the, the, the, the, here's the bachelor brain of me. Okay. That, that has entered the, the cooking world. Cause I by no means think I'm any sort of a chef. Bro, you are super into barbecue. You go crazy. That's not, I think that's. You time everything, the perfect air temperature, what altitude. Yeah. Like I'm not even making this up. People listen, he knows how much longer he's a go if we're in truckie, cause of the altitude. So if I'm, this is how much science he goes into. I, if I'm, if I, uh, what I'm not good at is ask me to cook something where different things have different times. It's like, if I can figure out a way to make things that take the exact same time and there's downtime while you're waiting. So it's easy to do a couple. But it's like a ground beef, rice, tater tots in the oven done tater tots. I'm excited about that. Let's get back to the tater tots. I will, I will order some of those though, cause I do want to try. For sure. Cause I, ironically, it's so hard to get my son to eat carbs. So I've never thought this would be the day that I'm like, eat your French fries. My youngest to see a thing. Wild that my son doesn't like French fries, doesn't like rice. Does not potatoes. Nothing like rice. Yeah. He doesn't like it. Yeah. Really kill me. What do you mean for carbs? I mean, he'll eat like, uh, like corn tortillas for like tacos. He eats tacos. He likes tacos. He'll eat tacos, but he's not a carb. He wants meat, dude. You know what my son will do? My five year old, I could feed him 18 eggs a day. I don't know what it is about eggs. He'll eat them as many as you want. That's cool. Hella eggs. That's cool. He's five. Yeah. He's two eggs in the morning and then probably two or four throughout the day. Yeah. This is a five year old eating four to six eggs in a day. Whole eggs. I have to start off keep right. I'm at that, that stage right now. I'm just in probably can relate to him because you're someone's like this. Like I'm always, I'm trying to sneak calories in everywhere. Oh yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So a part of why I like opened up the dessert can of worms with him because like I want the extra calories and let him have dessert and stuff because I'm like, he needs to eat more calories. And all of olive oil. Yeah. I do. I sneak all kinds of stuff with that honey on things. Like I have to sneak all these calories because he'll just eat just straight meat all the time. I told you this is the last time I tried to take him through drive-thru and get chicken nuggets and he was like, no, dad, I'll wait till we get home and eat your, my leftover steak. You remember me reheat steak from yesterday. Didn't drive through and get chicken nuggets and french fries. I'm like, dude, come on, bro. Like I get, I never thought that would happen. I know it's hard to talk about that. Yeah. My three year old, I have to peel nuggets for her. 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My wife is pregnant and I was wondering what lifts or exercises she can do to prepare us for carrying and holding the baby as I know it can cause imbalances. So that's a good question. And so I'll start with this overall general strength is the way to prepare. But the pain, because a lot of women will get wrist pain, shoulder pain, sometimes hip pain, yes, from holding a baby, wrist pain being the most common one, the shoulder pain probably being second, because they always carry their kid on the same side. Same side. That's the thing. Switching it. Yeah. Switch it up. This is what this will prevent issues is switching from side to side and everybody's got their favorite, you know, side that they like to carry the kid on. Um, but besides that, it's just overall strengthening. There is no specific, you know, way to train unless we're already correcting an issue, but just traditional strength training gets stronger overall. And then when baby comes, you have to be aware, uh, that you're going to be, you know, that you're holding the baby on one side or the other and switch it up. I did you, uh, I use it. What's it called the baby, you're on your own. I use that. We use that a lot. We use that a lot. They make these new ones where they go around your waist and it's like a little seat. Have you seen it? And you put your kid on it. And so it's like, it's like the baby's sitting on a seat and you kind of hold them. Oh yeah. Uh, my wife had one with, uh, with my youngest. It's really cool. Cause it's not like, you know, the, you already have to put them in. Yeah. This is literally you just wear it. And then when you pick up your kid, I think I have seen somebody doing that before actually, I love that thing. I think we used it like crazy. I mean, can you flip them full, you can flip them forward or back and instead of the old traditional, like turning on your hip type of deal, like that gets uncomfortable doing that for a while. Justin, go hold kids for a while. Well, I, yeah, I was the B. Or I tried it for a bit. It just felt, it just felt good with it. I can see just like hold this kid like a tiger. I hold him back of their neck. You have to like, I just would switch ours, put them on my back. You know, dude, I swear to God, never use it. Yeah. Nothing. I just have on, I just held them. Oh, did you hold them on your shoulders? Uh huh. Yeah. I got a buddy like that. He's always got his, we just, we just grew out of that. We just, I loved every minute of it. I did, I did it all the way. I did it all the way till just maybe six months ago. Like Max, he, we just, it was just like yesterday or therefore, is just, yeah, you can get your shows like, nah, bro. Pass that now. Yeah. Coming up on seven. We're a different stage here. Dad's got arthritis. Oh my neck. And so now he's, I mean, he's not a little anymore. And his legs, his legs hang all the way down and pass my hip. You know what I'm saying about your weight? You're having kids. He's a big boy. You ever have your kid pee while you were holding them up there? You know, and then they're diapers still. Oh yeah. A little spill. Oh, that has not happened to me. Next question is from Morgan B. Peterson. Can you talk more about body types? You touched on it recently with the caller having a more athletic body as a woman and how to capitalize on it and not have remorse for it. So, you know, the beauty of part of the beauty of strength training is it's the most targeted form of exercise you could target, build. And shape muscles, just because of the nature of strength training. That being said, like there's certain things about body type that you can't really get around, like bone structure. You have wide hips, narrow hips, wide shoulders, narrow shoulders, long femur, short femur, you can't change that. You also can't, to an extent, can't change how you store body fat. Women generally store it in the lower body. Man, uh, store, uh, typically in the, in the midsection, although hormone changes can start to affect this. So earlier we talked about hormone therapy. Sometimes women will find when they're in para-maniposa, menopausal, start storing more in their midsection. Um, and hormone therapy seems to, uh, change that fat storage. But, uh, aside from, you know, what I said, like getting leaner and more fit, building muscle like that makes everybody look better, but you got to be careful with comparing yourself. Like your body type to other body types. Right. Yeah. You got to be careful with that. So I'm, I'm going to say something that's a bit of an overgeneralization, but in my experience, this, this is what I've seen, uh, the time and again, right? It's, uh, and it correct me if this is different for you guys, but what I have noticed is each, each client or body type that I've, I've trained, um, has a strength and has a weakness. And as a trainer, I felt I had a lot of success when I, when I understood that and then I leaned into that example. So my clients that were really skinny, that had a hard time, like trying to build muscle, those clients, it was always easy for them to get lean. That's what they, they never had a problem. They've been so me worrying about that or leaning into that strength is it that vert, right? Verse, the opposite is true with the other client, the client that really has a hard time losing weight, like fighting that and always just trying to lose weight with that client. I did so much better trying to build muscle with that client. So lean into your strength. If you have a more athletic body type, you hold muscle really well, but you always want to be leaner. I was trying to do that. And you're always fighting low calorie and trying to get lean versus I'm going to lean into what your body does really well. Like it builds muscle really well. Let's go build a bunch of muscle that will speed your metabolism up. That will help the process of, of leaning out. And so I've had more success when I had body types that were liked that where they had this kind of athletic build that they, and they always wanted to be smaller or leaner. It's like you're always fighting against the body where your body wants to build muscle. Let's lean into that. Let's build muscle. I also think we give too much credit to, uh, or put too much blame on body types and genetics. Like there is no genetics. Uh, there is no widespread genetics for like obesity. Uh, there'll be a difference of 15, 20 pounds from person to person, depending on the genetics, but that's it. Not the 60 pounds, 70 pound type of deal. Uh, the vast majority of, uh, you know, the effect you have is really lifestyle, so exercise and diet. And, um, everybody can look more fit and healthy or less fit and healthy, but, you know, don't get caught in that game of comparing your body type to somebody else's, uh, and saying, Oh, I want to, that's, that's a losing game. Um, and the best success I ever got with clients where people were like, Hey, this is my body and I'm going to become the fit. I'm going to be fit and healthy for my body and be okay with it. Just trying to be objective from where you started, where you are, like, and think of all the different metrics beyond just the aesthetics, like with the strength, energy and you know, those other things. Next question is from Julie E. Homequist. I started deadlifting today, but my shoulders hurt. Is that something that will eventually go away or are there other shoulder exercises I should be doing to build up to the deadlift? That's interesting. Shoulders, shoulders hurting from deadlifting. That's yeah. She's probably referring to her traps. You know, sometimes people say, I see a shoulder area. She's probably getting into it. She's probably in a little bit of a position. If you, she just started deadlifting. Yeah. If you just started deadlifting, um, oftentimes the initial soreness you'll get will be in the mid upper back, uh, because a lot of people are weak there. Uh, the muscles that bring the shoulder blades back, um, and support that shoulder girdle tend to be weak unless you strength train. Maybe some protraction to, you know, that there's, and so I'd say go lighter and go slower. Um, and you can have like a friend or someone press on your traps a little bit to give you a little bit of myofascial release, but, um, I mean, that's typically, that's probably what's going on here. Cause the shoulder joint itself shouldn't get hurt in a deadlift. That's very, it'd be very strange. Uh, isometrically stabilize it there. I also want to point out that this is one of the most valuable parts about our mind pump private forum or our muscle mommy group too. Uh, we can sit here all day long and try and guess. Why it's our shoulders. If I saw your movement in the deadlift, I'd know right away. I'd know right away why and I didn't be able to explain it. Um, cause it could be a lot of different things. She could also be arching her neck while she's doing it. Yeah. She'd be rounding her back. Yeah. She could be standing up and then kind of shrugging a little bit. I mean, there could be a lot of things that, that we're not saying right now that could be going on if I saw the movement pattern. And so one of the, probably the most valuable things, uh, or commonly used, uh, ways of using the forum is to video yourself doing a movement and then ask this question. And then you'll have either one of us or one of our trainers get in there and answer and help you with it. Super, super valuable. Next question is from untamed fitness. A you for your own personal training. Do you follow the doctor's textbook order when you can officially start lifting again or follow your own body's cues and start when you feel ready, slowing yourself back into it, of course. So this is an interesting question because it sounds like a setup. Yep. So here's the deal. Uh, for most people, uh, you want to listen, uh, to your doctor because you just don't know your body well. Uh, and when you think you're ready, you're probably not. And even people who are well trained, uh, like fitness people oftentimes overestimate. We're all guilty of that. We're all guilty of that. Uh, that being said, you know, look, uh, if you're, if you really know your body, you're, you've got, you know, you've got a good background and exercise. You know your movement. You know how to listen to your body and you're already fit. Oftentimes what the doctor will tell you in terms of when you're ready is a really conservative estimate overly cautious. They're very, very conservative. Like don't lift over five pounds or okay, you should be able to move your shoulder and, you know, in 10 weeks. You know, I had shoulder surgery and I had full function in half the time. The doctor told me, but that's only because I had worked out before I was already fit preexisting muscle and yeah, like, and I knew how to rehab it myself. I remember I went to the PT and the PT's like, all right, lift your arm up. And I was able to lift it all the way up and they looked at me like, whoa. And I'm like, well, I know how to rehab it. And well, but that being said, I've also had injuries where I'm like, oh, I'm good. And then I re-injured myself. So yeah. This is such a loaded question for that reason. It's because I don't think any of us probably follow exactly the doctor's orders afterwards, but then I've also made the mistake of, uh, more than once. Re-injuring myself. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Did my knee, did my peck. Oh yeah, man, go down the list. I've done it. I've done it with a lot of things. I do have, it's, so I guess the other way to look at this too is just like, okay, uh, you doing it faster or doing more, is it really going to get you that much better, that much quicker, that much more results? I mean, building muscle, burning body fat, that whole process is such a slow process anyways. Is it worth going outside, uh, the boundaries that the doctor's given you between your appointments, uh, just so you can try and get a little bit fat, like results that aren't going to be that measurable. Like, I don't know. It's, I'll tell you what, I know a guy who just had, uh, or weeks ago had shoulder surgery and used, uh, BPC 157 and thymus and beta half the time. And he was like, bro, half the time. The doctor was like, I can't believe you're, yeah, exactly. So get real confident. I mean, it's a little like, it's like, it's like 40% of the time, yeah, uh, off of your recovery. No, I, I, I think I, I mean, the one who's probably been injured the most here. I feel like I've tested it so many times. It's half, it's half the time. It cuts the recovery time in half. But to Justin's point, that's part of the dangerous part is all of a sudden I'm like, oh my God, I'm, I'm back. I'm back in half the time. Let's go. And then all of a sudden you start ramping up and then that's where you can get hurt again. That's right. And for people interested in those kinds of peptides, you want to go through a doctor, uh, we have some MP hormones.com. So you can check them out. You can also find us on Instagram, uh, mine pump media. We'll see you there. Thank you for listening to mine pump. 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