2863: The Top 10 Healthiest States In America

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Yeah, okay, so here's what's interesting about the list that I just gave you. Yeah, go to the first three and I think we could break down why the first three. Well, before I do, so here's what this came from, right? So our media team oftentimes will give us ideas on things that they think would be interesting for us to talk about. And one of the ideas Danny brought to me was an article titled The Top Healthiest States in the US for 2025. Now, anytime I hear that or see that, I wanna look a little deeper. Yeah, like what are the parameters. What are the parameters using to. Exactly. Is it like body fat, is it, how long people are living, is it. That's right, yeah. That's right, and so I looked at it and they were ranking this, they were looking at physical activity, smoking rates, air quality, but then they're looking at things like access to healthcare, homicide, like they had like 99 metrics. And so they were basing what they thought the healthy estates were based off these metrics. Now, what I did is I looked up which states people actually lived the longest. Cause at the end of the day, that's where the rubber meets the rubber. Sure, yeah. Right, like what's the actual result. Yeah, yeah. And does it line up with what these authors of this study predicted would be the healthy estates. What they list as the top, healthy estates of top 10. Number one was New Hampshire. Number two was Massachusetts. Number three was Vermont. Number four was Connecticut. Number five was Utah. Number six was Minnesota. Then it goes Washington, Maryland. Number nine is Hawaii. And number 10 is Rhode Island. There's some crossover there, but you notice how the rankings were different. That seems more off to me. I think your list seems more predictable. Well, of course, because it's actual lifespan. Yeah. It's like how long are people actually living? Oh, so the first list was you. The first list was me looking up the, how old people live in each state and then rank them top 10. Give me the first three to five of yours. Of the one that I had? Yeah, yeah, the ones you have. Hawaii, Massachusetts and New Jersey. So Hawaii, now Hawaii was number nine on the other list. Massachusetts was number two on the other list. So that one matched up. And then New Jersey, interestingly, didn't even make their top 10. But those are the states where people live the longest. And just for reference, the national average is 77.5 years. Hawaii is 80, Massachusetts 79.8, and New Jersey is 79.6. Now Hawaii, I'm going to guess warm and a lot of walking. Like I think just that's going to be the, I mean you, and even lifestyle. Like the island lifestyle, I have family that live, a lot of family actually that live over in Kauai. And it's a different lifestyle. It's less stressful. Yeah, the stress a little bit. Show up when you can get here. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, no, totally. It's very chill. There's no speeding. There's none of that going on. Like it's very chill vibes. And so that's got to play a role in just overall stress on the community. Lots of sunshine, a lot of walking, a lot of places. Access to fresh fruit, fresh fish. Yeah. They've got great cattle there and chicken there. So you've got kind of good access to food. It's funny you say what you said. My friend Sean, back in the day when I was managing gyms in the Hay Day at 24 Fitness, he was like a top general manager. This guy used to crush all the time. And they moved him to Honolulu. So like, do you want to run a club in Honolulu? How much transfer? And make it crush, right? I know, I had similar opportunity. And so he went over there and I would talk to him. And I'm like, what's it like? Because he turned that club into a mega production. He's like, bro, it's crazy. He's like, do my staff shows up in flip flops? 30, 40 minutes late, nobody cares. I don't know what's going on over here too. Everybody's super chill. So it was super funny. But what I see with the commonalities with some of these, with a lot of these is like, kind of good weather. Near water. Yeah, I was going to say, is Florida's not on that list? I was surprised Florida's not on that list. Well, I was like, is it because of like the pill mill stuff and people come down there? Florida's in the south. Don't forget, Florida's in the south. And so you get a lot of, because the top, the worst health states are all, they're all in the south. Well, because like food and culture there is like crazy. Smoking and food and that kind of stuff. So don't forget that Florida. My stuff is a little different. Yeah, like I've been to Disney World in Florida. And I know there's people from all over coming there, but you got a lot of people from Florida going to Disney World. Now you go to Disneyland and you see some. It was like meth. Well, you see some obesity at Disneyland. You go to Disney World and there's like traffic jams with scooters. There's dedicated scooter parks in Lanes. Yeah, that's different. It's definitely different. But one thing I've seen with a lot of these in common, I think, Near water, walkable states, right? Sunshine and probably a lot of physical activity is a part of their lifestyle. Is Massachusetts considered a lot of sunshine? No, no, some of these are not, but a lot of them are. But I think the, because it's smaller, I'm sure, like there's a lot of more walkable city. That's what I was saying. I think a lot of walkable cities and near water, that has to be positive. Yeah. And there's also a good high education rate and also good health care or access to health care. Those always play a big role. By the way, I want people to understand this. When you see that the national average is 77 and a long living state is 80. You think, oh, OK, three years or two and a half years. Like, what's the big difference? It's actually a big difference. It's not just the time people are alive, but what that doesn't show you is how long people are sick for before they actually pass away. So it's a much bigger two and a half years. It doesn't sound like a lot. But when you look at like health span, it actually is a lot more than you think. But yeah, I think exercise, access to culture in some of these states around fitness is one of them. You know, like what now what's interesting. I didn't see Colorado on the top 10. I mean, I didn't see. I don't know. I would like California and Arizona would be on that. California is. Oh, California is on there. Number six. OK, so it is on there. Because you say, Arizona's not. Arizona was not in the top. So Arizona is the. I remember reading an article on this has more gyms per capita than like any other state. It would be interesting to see if there's a correlate with gyms. You would think that's why I surprised Arizona. Like hiking and I mean, it's there's a lot to do there. I mean, besides, you know, the desert, the summer is going to be horrible. What's interesting to me out of all of these is Hawaii, because Hawaii is consistently number one. Yeah, like for a long time, for a long time. Well, so wouldn't you they're always the top. Wouldn't you agree then that this just highlights and we talk about this a lot, just this low level stress that we all have a lot. And like that's of all the states, that's probably the most consistent. I don't know anybody who's ever talked about Hawaii being like a stressful area. Like no, no, no. I mean, even Honolulu. Yeah, I was just saying, even their busy. Yeah, yeah, that's like that's like San Francisco on the beach. It's their city. It still has got chill vibes. Chill. Yeah. They also have a culture of family in Hawaii. So locals are very family oriented. My friend, Ryan, I don't know if you knew Ryan junk. He was from Hawaii and he would talk about this all the time. I have, I had other friends that were from Hawaii who did Jiu Jitsu and they would talk about this all time that there was just like this, especially the locals. Very tight knit. Yeah, tight knit kind of family oriented. And you see this in the data when people have good, strong connections to their community and family, they just live longer. They just do better. Like some of the states with the highest suicide rates are also the ones where people tend to be the most isolated. And sometimes it's a distance thing or a location thing. Like I think Wyoming, if I'm not mistaken, has a really high suicide rate. Washington's the highest, isn't it, Doug? No, look at the highest suicide rate. Maybe I think so. Washington is the highest. Look at 10 states with top 10 state suicide rates. Yeah, Washington's up there. But family culture, weather, access to fruits, vegetables and healthy. And like, I mean, I think the family and the stressing of the two big, big ones. I mean, really, I mean, because you have there everywhere, it doesn't have the best diet. So even people eating off the rails a little bit everywhere, you go like, I'm sure body fat percentage is high there, like everywhere else. But they're just community walking sunshine. Those things have to be. Oh, look at this. Top states. Oh, I forgot Alaska is higher than. Scroll down. It goes Alaska. It goes Alaska, Montana, Wyoming. Oh, wow. New Mexico. Washington didn't even make it. Yeah, those were all the. OK, you want to know what's called the. The super sparse populated states. You know what's crazy about this is that scroll down a little more. Utah is number six for suicide rate. They're also number nine for longevity. That's why that is weird that they made it in both. Both. Yeah. Do they count suicides? Wow, I would not have guessed Idaho and Utah on that on the top six. That's. Or Colorado. Yeah. Yeah, I'm not familiar with the states too much. What I would I kind of know from about Utah, because I have family. I have a cousin who's got family over there is that Utah's kind of like California in the sense that you know, in California is like. You're like you're in one area and it looks like everybody's doing well. You go to another area and like what is going on? Are we in another planet? I think Utah is kind of like that too. Well, there's like a high drug rate in certain areas. Oh yeah. Yeah. And in other areas. Sort of concentrated in certain areas. Yeah. Yeah. But I, you know, just by talking about. I don't like definitely want to thought. I know it's all the potatoes. Just kidding. I think I think what you the thing to take away from this. Is daily activity. Uh, I think what you'll find in a lot of these states is, uh, people are relatively active, uh, for the most part, either because the culture of the state encourages it or because of the way the cities are designed, uh, tends to encourage. In fact, um, big cities, uh, where it's inconvenient to drive tend to have better, um, health, even though the air quality is so bad. You did. I didn't even think, uh, California is the only one that has a blue zone of all the ones you name. You know, Melinda. Yeah. That's the seventh day Adventists. Yeah, but it's still in California. Yeah, it is. So that would, that would boost California's numbers. I don't know how many people are in there to make that big of a California. Such a big, I don't know how much of a skew that's, well, there was no other ones were there. Um, I don't, I think Melinda is the only blue zone in America. If I'm not mistaken. I think you're right. Yeah. But they, but those are the seventh day Adventists. Like San Diego makes up for most of it because, uh, LA isn't doing too well right now. No, no, no, like health wise. No, no, no. Yeah. You would think LA and San Francisco would bring it down quite a bit. You would think they would. Yeah. But I mean, although San Francisco probably counters because it's a, it's a walking city, so there's a lot of walking going on that probably counts. So that's a great point. Uh, I have family that lived in San Francisco back and forth and they're like, dude, it's so crazy, uh, how easy it was for me to stay kind of fit. And I didn't go to the, you actually don't see. So when you walk San Francisco, I was just there last weekend, uh, when you walk the streets and you go, I just went to a big like play thing. There was lots of people. You don't actually don't see a lot of obesity. No, you don't. Not like you see it in walking up to a lot of poop. Thanks. Just needles, stuff like that. But I mean, no, really, you don't, you know, you're, uh, in fact, uh, I would say I'd see a smaller percentage of obesity walking San Francisco than I did. Now there's a bit of a bias there, right? So people, the people that are probably obese, they're probably not walking the streets. No, no, no. And I know this at one point I was really interesting, interested in this kind of data. And, um, we have this idea, uh, with longevity that workouts scheduled workouts are what is best for longevity. It's actually not. No. Now scheduled workouts are good. So I'm not saying they're bad. Um, and certain workouts have a more of a protective effect in relation to the time that you spend doing them, like strength training is one of those things. You don't need to spend a lot of time strength training to receive a longevity protective effect, uh, from it, everything from insulin sensitivity, mitochondrial health, uh, you know, a little bit of a metabolic boost, which helps, uh, with, you know, excess calorie consumption, strength with help with mobility. And you don't need to do a lot of it. Like the average person did a couple of days a week, literally in, uh, doing strength training, the protective effect that you get from just a couple of hours a week, uh, outweighs any other kind of workout you would do for the same amount of time. That being said, if you want to move for longevity. Uh, it's daily, it's daily and it's throughout the day. Yeah. So it's not like, uh, yeah, I do a couple of workouts a week, uh, or I work out once in the morning and then the rest of the day I do nothing, which is what it looks like for fit people, fit people who are fitness minded. Oftentimes what it looks like for them is they do one workout most days, but then the rest of the day they're, they're sitting such a, such a great conversation and, uh, I mean, probably would ruffle some feathers that there's some arguments to be made that some of the most, uh, impressive physics that we might see are not the most healthiest in terms of longevity. When you compare to some of these people, health markers might not be what you think. Yeah. No, like you'd like, like you're saying, I mean, you, you might train at the gym five days a week for an hour hardcore, uh, but then you sit all day long. It's completely different. You're good about measuring your macros. And so way better than nothing. Oh yeah. Yeah. But again, not protective, but it's not, but I mean, we, we, we, we, we, we, we, we would look at somebody maybe who, you know, walks 15, 20,000 steps every single day, gardens every day, maybe once a week they live some way. So they do a lot of body calisthenic type stuff. You might look at that body and go like, come on, they're not that, but they are arguably healthier in terms of longevity, especially if you outdoor gardening, walking, doing stuff like that. I will never, this was such a paradigm, just, just crushing moment for me as a, I was 19, went to Sicily to visit, uh, to be with my family, my, my dad's side and my mom's side too. She's got some family there. And I remember we went to visit one of them. We're either one of my cousins or my aunts. I don't know her very well, but she was, she was like, I think she was 80. She was almost 80 or she was 80. And we went to visit her and she lived in this really old town in Sicily. Okay. And when I say old town, it's like, uh, the roads were made for horses. So there were roads you can't drive through. Or some of them in the tiny car that we had, you'd fold the, the, the rear, uh, viewing windows to the sides, cause you're going to drive by and people, if they're outside, had to go inside or stand up against the wall, let you through. So this is what the roads look like. And there were roads you couldn't go through. So we get to, we parked at the bottom of this hill. We walk up this old cobblestone road and I mean, I'm 19 years old, like, I'm, you know, I work out or whatever. And I'm like, Huffin, I'm like, Oh my God, where does she live? We walk all the way up. Then we get to the bottom to the door. They, she buzzes us in, we open the door and then we go up like three flights of stairs and then we're where she lived in this tiny little apartment by herself, a widow. And she was like so functional to do whatever. And I remember I'm looking at her. I'm like, how does she live alone? Who brings her her grog? Like, how does this work? And so we left. I was talking to my dad about it and I'm like, I'm like, Bob, what, like, how does she live here? He's like, what do you mean? I'm like, well, how does she do everything? She goes, she does it herself. But she walks down the flight of stairs and goes down this hill and comes up this hill every single day. He goes, she does it probably twice a day every day. She goes this is where she goes to market. She gets her food. She goes down, she goes down to meet with her friends at the Biazza every single day, a couple of days a week. Think about it. Yeah. This is just what she does. Yeah. There's no elevator. That's the thing. You know, and she was like 80. And so, uh, you know, for people listening, you don't live in a situation. If you don't probably live in a city, if you're listening in a modern, uh, like like America in particular, uh, where this is just party life. And so if you want longevity, it's like, I guess Europe has it all kind of still structured like that. So yeah, yeah. Yeah. Because they get that a lot. Well, I think one of the things you do is just you got to, it just sounds stupid, but it's super. This is what the data shows. Do a lot of little walks all day long. Yeah. So simple, so basic, but you throw in a little bit of strength training and you've got, you've got to cover. Well, I mean, this is what's reframed the way that I look at even chores and stuff around my house. Um, I know if you've been listening to the podcast, it makes it more enjoyable, right? Yeah. I mean, there was, there came, there was a time where we've talked about this. If you go far enough back or, you know, I made a big argument for, you know, outsourcing that to buy more time with family and stuff like that. And there's a part of that I can get behind for sure. Um, because I still utilize that to an extent, but not so much now where I go, like, you know what though, like this is a big part of me staying active. And like, so I look at it completely different now. It's just like, I need to do this activity for my health and longevity. It's like, I outsource all that activity. Then I become more sedentary. If I'm more sedentary than I don't live long enough. And if I'm claiming that it's for this time with my family and stuff like that, what good am I if I'm unhealthy and not living long? And so it's like, okay, there is a balance of, it also makes it more valuable, which makes it probably more enjoyable. Yeah. Yeah. Totally. Cause like, I'm not just doing this cause I need to clean the house. Yeah. I'm also doing this cause it's good for me. Yes. Yeah. And it makes you more present. Reframed it for sure. It's funny. Like I've been like slowly affected by Courtney's passion for gardening. And it's, I've been avoiding it cause it's like, you know, it's gardening. You know, it's not that exciting to talk about it for old people. But you know, like, yeah, but now I'm like, I keep getting drawn in and like, it's just explaining the process and like all these different, uh, well, there's this show on Netflix now. It's funny with Zach Alfonac S. And it's only like, they're like 15 minute like shorts, but it just, he's kind of like in a kind of a really funny way, educating, using kids and stuff to, to kind of describe like the process, but like go into farms and kind of like explain their process and showing, he's like the future is egalitarian. And he's like trying to show all these like things you can do, uh, to, to be self-sustainable and like all the stuff. And it's really interesting. And that was like on the NUS is like the whole apple, like tasty apples. You can't get tasty apples without really grafting one to the, to the other plant. Oh, otherwise you'll never get like a good tasty apple. It's like always going to be kind of bitter. You know, as we're, as we're talking about this too, that's why like fresh apples are typically like kind of a sour taste. Is that why? Cause you have to, you have to cross breed them in order to cross breed them. Yeah. To get that flavor to be tasty. Oh, interesting. Yeah. I was like, I mean, yeah, we had apple trees at one of my houses when I was a kid and I remember how, uh, like sour they were in comparison to like the grocery store apples. I never really actually thought about that or new. But I tripped out cause like, yeah. And then, and they're describing like the tomatoes and like, oh my God, they taste. And I've experienced that. Now that's what started to pull me in was because I talked to you guys like the carrots, like they taste completely different. The tomatoes taste like nothing I've ever had. Totally different. It's just like, yeah, you're not going to get that unless you literally cultivate it. So that's awesome. Yeah. As we're talking to, I'm thinking to myself, uh, the other downstream effects of, uh, living in a town like the one I described, um, she did live alone, but just this simple act of going and walking through the town and walking to the store. And she's not alone. Yeah. She's got community. She sees people every single day. Yeah. She people say, hide her all the way down. Yeah. So, so like I make it a point, um, when I'm at home with the kids that I always try to do activities with them that require that I take them on a long walk to get there. Cause that's for me. The long walks for me, put them in a stroller. I have one of those double strollers with the, like jogging strollers. Yeah. And I'll put them in there and I'll just, okay, we're going to go to this place or we're going to go to the store and I make sure it's, I try to pick like long walks. And almost every time I see people and we say hi to each other, well, you're just around people rather than like being just by yourself the whole time. So that's got to be another, another plus. You think that makes a comeback? I think it's starting to shift in that direction. I mean, I'm always like, I question like our, our bubble. Yeah. I know. Because we talk about it. You can't hope for it, but yeah, it's a priority for us. It's something you're trying to foster. So it's like, Hey, it feels like it's making a comeback. Is it though? Like I'm, cause we're, we're obviously we're moving more disconnected and more digital and all this stuff. I was just talking to a guy yesterday. Yeah. Uh, he's, uh, in his thirties and, uh, I was talking about, uh, dating and I asked him about dating apps and he's like, nah, I'm sick of them. I'm like, why? He's like, it's not real. He's like, you're putting up this, like this is who you know, and then this other person you're picking out, like you're going through a catalog and identity. That's like, and I've heard, I've heard more and more people say that about the dating apps that they're just like done with them because of that whole process. It's crazy that we all missed that. Yeah. Thank God. I mean, yeah, but it'd be nice to be able to, a nice, be able to talk about it from experience. I have no experience at all. Zero. Don't know what it's like to make a profile, swipe right. You guys never did that one time. Never. I did it one time. You did. Yeah. I didn't know that you harmony. One date. No way. How are you not? God, this guy. Yeah. We've known each other 20 years. It never came up. Bro. How's it going to come up? Never had a randomly. What else? We asked this guy. We've talked about dating apps a thousand times. There was plenty of opportunity for you to share a story. We go, by the way, guys, we have to think of every question. I know. Yeah. Yeah. You ever been stabbed by a guy? Ever killed anyone that you have to ask that off to think about that. But so what happened? Yeah. No. So it's obviously before you were with us before I was married. Yeah. Because that's your confession. She's going to look like she was last year. Yeah. Really awkward. I just want to know exactly what it is. The irony of it was kind of funny because well, I'll get to that. But so yeah, I was at my parents. I was living at my parents and I was still working at 24 fitness. Okay. This is when you work for me. Yeah. So I was commuting to work at Santa Teresa Hills. Now how early is this? Oh, this is early, early. Yeah. This early actually, no, I take that back because I met Courtney at Santa Teresa. So yeah, it was Santa Teresa, but I hadn't moved yet. And so I was like kind of in limbo and my parents at that point were trying to like set me up with people and like, you know, my, the one best friend I had growing up, you know, like their parents and my parents like have always tried to like, you know, connect us. And I was like, no, I, it's like, it's just like a sister to me. You know, I was like, yeah. And, and, you know, it sucked because it was like, she was like into me and I got weird. I'm like, no, I got to, I just got to do this myself. You know, I'm like, I gotta get out there. And so I was, it was like dial up, you know, like back then I think it was like really slow internet. And so it was, it was like the very inception of the early days. Yeah. Very early days of it. And you fill out this long form. Dude, like forever. And like they get, they tried to make it different in that they wanted to get to like all your core values, like your morals, blah, blah, blah, like all that kind of stuff. Was your, was your profile? What was your profile pic? I just picked the hush chick. No, what was your profile pic? Um, would you use? Yeah. And we'll get back to what you did. Yeah. Fish. No. Hey, come on. You had a football helmet. Oh my God. Guitar, football helmets in the back. Come on. What'd you do? Your truck? What'd you do? What'd you do? I had to think about it. Come on. Oh, you know what it was? Well, I could probably find it. It was like when I was in my rockabilly phase. Oh, I can picture it. I know what picture it is. Yeah, you probably do. It's like black and white. Black and white. Yes, I know what picture it is. Bro, that's a winner. I had like my, uh, yeah, it was, it was. That's a, that's a different, you know, for you to pick that, you, because that's just a part of you in my opinion. Oh, it was like a very small face. Yeah, sorry. That's like a small part of you. So like to use that as like. He's like, I'm hot. That's what it is. Well, I just thought, I liked it because it was like a, again, the portrayal, the, the, the person that you're like, oh yeah, I thought it was like, I looked kind of cool like that, you know, but I'd never rock that. You know, like a full on like pompadour and everything. And I had, um, yeah, it was like, uh, like a country Western. I remember the picture. I remember the picture. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, so that I put that out there and like, I was going through the, I think I finally matched up with somebody, uh, you know, the next day and it was like, I had a few to look and I connected with her and then we ended up going to like David Buster's. And, uh, like set this whole thing up and she lived like far. It was, it was at the, uh, like, like, uh, Milpitas area, kind of like far in. And so I was like, oh, this is, this is, she's lives far and I was like, this is going to work out. But then we ended up going and having a good time and I felt bad because like I was like, she's a really nice girl, you know, the stuff. But while we're sitting there, I always got a text message from Courtney and like, she was like, oh, hey, you know, I'm, I'm out in Charlie's. We like, come, come hang out. And I'm like, cause she had been ghosting me at this point cause I gave up on her. Cause I was, I was pursuing her so hard before this and then was just like, you know what, you know, whatever dude, I'm, she came in in the nick of time just literally dude. She could have lost you. Was this, it was this girl. Good kiss. Was it? You and your date. David Buster. Yeah. Oh wow. So you would have raised. Chick. You would have ran it back. Yeah. Oh wow. But then. What do you say? Come on. Like another date. You're not saying. Yeah, that's right, man. Okay. That's right. Okay. But he's like, I'm saying. I'll tell you man. I'm like, I don't know the link. Yeah, dude. I'm not going to date it. I'm not going to go. I mean, another date. Oh, that does sound great. Yeah. I knew what you're saying. I was just saying, he was on the same page. I'm just going on another date. But yeah. And I was like, oh man. And my whole thought process just shifted immediately with her. Hold on. Did you kiss her after the text or before the text? No, I kissed her right before. Well, I got a text that was just like, hey, what's up? And it was just kind of like. Where do you make out at David Buster's? Outside the parking lot. Because she had to leave from there and I left. I've just been there before. Well, it's not a lot of places to make out. I was telling kids. Yeah, I know. Who goes on a date? Just isn't for the basketball. Oops. Who goes on a date and doesn't close it? Some kids like, hey, man, it's my turn. Oh, we're just going to hug awkwardly. So, okay, you make out with this chick. How do you make out? Well, I mean, you kissed her. Okay. So you kiss this chick. How do you let her down that you're not going to return to? Because she thinks she's getting a second date. I know. I know. And well, no, I didn't actually. That was before Ghosting was a thing. Yeah. No, I was still kind of like conflicted because I didn't know how serious Corby was. And so I was like still like, you know, talking to her and then, you know, I went home and she's like, oh, like all excited to do another date. And I was like, well, we'll see. And then I came clean. I was like, you know, I got to come clean. Like, like I've been pursuing this girl for a while. Like, you're a good guy, dude. No, but it felt terrible. No way. I would definitely be honest like that. I would too. I'd still dated both of you. Yeah. Now that might be true. Here's the deal. I really like you too though. I'm going to test you both out. I want to put Adam on the bus. Whatever you get to rose. If you know what he gets to rose. So you had to let her down. Yeah, I had to let her down. She crushed. I bet. Crushed. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, she understood what she had. She could tell she was like super, super bummed. And like, yeah, I did feel really bad about it. Because I totally let her on. Like, you know, I'm like, yeah, yeah, let's hang out again. Well, yeah, you kissed on the first date. Of course you let her on. But yeah, it was whatever. So, okay. So then Courtney, you go meet up with her. How much short laughter? Like, did you guys go on your first date? Or are you still not even sure with her? She's like, yeah. So that's, she just cracked the door. You were like, the door's finally cracked. Yeah. He's like, took a few weeks after that, I think. And then I finally got a date with her. And then our first date was like, Hills Have Eyes. Like the worst movie you could take like a date. She picked it, dude. I'm like, do you know? I wanted to walk out. Do you know they done studies on that? That horror movies cause physiological arousal in women when they're with their date. So they might not have. Well, I was banking on that. Justin's like, this is the only reason why I'm sitting through this, this torturous movie right now. But it was so messed up. Like it ruined the whole vibe. There was no like romantic feeling. I'm such an anti-scary guy that if that would kill it for me. You know what I'm saying? Like, oh, this is not going to work. If you, if you want to do this on our first date, this is not going to work. I was like, oh, she's getting scared. Yeah. Wow. That's a cool story, dude. So yeah. Yeah. I can't believe you did that. You never told us. Dude, speaking of which, I got an only date. We got a DM, I think it was a Mind Pimp Media page. That might have been the Mind Pimp Media page. Someone DM'd us and they're like, I can't believe. That you guys advertise with Ashley Madison. I'm so, I'm so. We don't advertise with them. And so we got to set this record straight. We have. I almost don't want to be attention. I'm going to do it again. We talked about this because McDonald's was on the front of one of our things one time. It's not like we are part of the McDonald's. Spotify. It's Spotify, right? Go to your Libsons. Yeah, there's actually two. We have Spotify and Libsons. They both have their own ads. So they add their own ads in front of our podcast. If you listen to them. Same with YouTube. In YouTube. Yeah, we don't choose any of them. We are not. We are. There's no connection to Ashley Madison or McDonald's. Our ads are when it comes out of our mouth. Yes. We talk because we do not advocate for that terrible, horrible, you know, just family destroying site. That's not something we support. But I want to. I didn't even know that's what that was until you said that. Yeah. Yeah. And by the way, they had a huge data breach. Yeah, I thought it was furniture. I didn't even know it was still business. You thought Ashley Madison was furniture. Oh, just hearing it sounds like a furniture store. It doesn't. There is an Ashley Madison store. No, it's a freaking site for people to cheat on their spouses. That's an actual dating site. There was a whole documentary on them because they got busted. Remember? They're still around. That's great. They had a huge, didn't it leak all their stuff leaked out and people got found out and everything? People were getting divorced. And oh my God. Have you guys heard the stories of couples that go on Ashley Madison? Like they're trying to cheat on each other and then they link up with each other. No. Yes, no. Yes. Oh my God, that would be hilarious. How do you get mad? That you can't. Like, wait a minute. Hold that for a minute. Yeah. Oh crap. Whole another conversation. Yeah. Does it bring them close? God, we're kind of alike. Why don't we just pretend? What a dysfunctional. Yeah, I mean that's that's like. I'm just going to treat you as a stranger from now on. Yeah. Oh God. Wow. I know. Terrible. Have you ever known anybody who's done that? Ashley Madison? Yeah, who's used it? No. No. I don't think anybody would tell anybody. Yeah, yeah. That's probably a big secret. That would be something to advertise. Like, hey bro, just you know, I know you know my wife and kids, but I mean there's gotta be. I met some chick on Ashley. Come on. People tell you. Maybe maybe not dudes. Chicks definitely tell each other. That they do stuff like that? Yeah, maybe. Of course. Tell your girl. That's a good question. I wonder if like I bet you women more likely the men would tell their friends. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you're a pretty example of who, you know, we just found out you did it. You hardly have to. I'll say anything. Nothing wrong with that. You did it for 20 years to tell us. I wonder, I gotta think of weird questions. I know. I know. I said like I'm going to make a list when I go home of like all the things I need to ask. Just weird. Yeah. Yeah. This is well, I guess. Because I mean, you guys missed the boat for online dating. Well, we've talked about online dating so many times. It's like if I had done it one time, I would have shared the opportunity. I would have been like, oh, you know, I tried it one time. I think I brought it up and just got blazed over. At your default move now, bro. This is like, you know, I did talk about you guys talk so much we didn't hear it. I know. You're talking about yourself. It's like I protect myself. Yeah. Justin, Doug, have you ever done a dating site? Because I did. I have. Yeah. I'll see. I do have. What's your experience on that? Well, Rachel is that's how I met Rachel. Oh, you met Rachel that way? Yeah. I did not know that. That was right. 2020 in the heart of COVID. It was like. Wow. You know. When it comes to. So you're a success story. I am a success story. I guess you'd say. Yeah. Doug, are you on, were you on multiple ones or one? No, just the one. Okay. I think that's the one you were on. What was the one you were on? He harmony. I think that's the one I was on. Wasn't plenty fish. No, I didn't do that. I just did the one. Too lazy, you know, creating those profiles. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work. It's a lot of work trying to get on those things. Did you do any failed dates before Rachel? No, farmers only. I think I've gone on. I went on a couple others. Yeah. I mean, I mean, I mean, I won't tell anybody. Justin and I share that we're like, okay, we kind of keep our private life to ourselves. You know, that's kind of why we don't share every little detail. Tell each other stuff. No, we don't even have a separate text thread. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. No, I think I went on to. I don't tell. Don't tell. Sal and Adam. Adam says the things that don't tell Sal and Adam. Half of it is never complaining about us. I don't talk that much in real life. Like, so this is all normal. Yeah. You don't, you're not that quiet though. I don't know what you say that. It's not like you don't talk. No, I just, you know, I like, I like listening and engaging when it's a. Well, you know that it goes along with your strength. You have a really good discernment. You really do. You have like gifted discernment for, for people. Because you listen. You listen so well. That's why I think, well, I said it goes well with it. He listens so well. I think, well, I said it goes well with it. He listens so well. I think, well, I said it goes well with it. He listens so well. You know how many times we've met people and just like, I don't really know about that guy or whatever. It turns out they're, they're, they're back and he picks up on it. Yeah. You'd be good too if you listen. Sorry. You just don't listen. Huh? Oh yeah. Exactly. What'd you say? I feel like you'd have a radar too. You just don't listen. You know what I'm saying? How many times I go, Sal, Sal, this is for you. Sal, we're talking to you. Yeah. Justin just is good at listening. I'm just bored. Yeah. Yeah. You just got to say peptide in front of me. We need to that. Yeah. Hey, speaking of peptides. So Caldera lab, so they're, they're products, they sent us, they say they have five peptides that they work with in many of the products. And then they use the natural botanicals and they looked up some of the botanicals that are in their products. Yeah. Doug listed them here, which is pretty cool. And I'd like you to look at some of these up, Doug. Okay. So one of them is spilanthes, which I've never heard of. That's for wrinkles, plant stem cells for free radical damage. I'm familiar with that. A straggulous root for tightness, snow mushroom for hydration, elder flower for skin tone. And then there's fireweed for healing and for balance. I'm not familiar with spilanthus, Doug. Fireweed and snow mushroom. Can you imagine having to go like forage for this stuff? I feel like you'd be all over the world. Imposant. Yeah. Imposant. Yeah. So it contains something called spilanthal, which is interestingly a local anesthetic. Wow. Yeah. It's good for oral health, has medicinal properties such as anti-inflammatory antimicrobial, immune stimulating properties. And it's in cosmetics, it's referred to as the natural Botox. Oh, wow. Due to its ability to relax facial muscles and reduce the appearance of fine lines. Oh, wow. Yeah. They quash it. And that was that. That was the, that's a peptide or that's something else? No, no, no. These are all plants. Those are all plants. These are all herbs and plants. Okay. And then they pair that with some peptides. They have peptides. You know what's crazy? I learned about retinol. So retinol is one of the most popular common ingredients in like skin products. Do you know what retinol does? It dramatically increases cell turnover. So in other words, it helps kill cells on the surface to get new ones to produce. So this is why one of the side effects of retinol is like dryness, irritation, sun sensitivity. So retinol can make you sensitive to the sun where you burn easier. Because your top layer is gone. Yeah. But the stuff that they're using Caldera labs, labs, excuse me, works with your natural skin. So I've noticed with like, I always use the example of me and Justin, because we have such different skin, right? Mine is more oily. His is more dry. We both use this serum, which is an oil, which I would expect to work well for dry skin. I would expect it would make me too oily. It doesn't actually balances me out. And it does the same thing. So we should, we should rebrand that somehow like you're equator and I'm like North. What? The equator. That's the, the serum is the good. That's the, that's the good. Yeah. That's my favorite. Yeah, dude. That's stuff's amazing. I told you guys, my cousins, when they came to the Christmas party, they got the gift bags where we included it. None of them are like skincare. We're all dudes, right? Now all of them, they've seen the text thread. They're like, oh, I can't believe I used stuff. It converted us. It converted us. Yeah, dude. So anyway, the hydro layer is what I've been using a lot lately as well. The hydro layer is the cream. The cream, right? Actually need some more. And it works really well. I'm just running out of mine. I got to tell you guys, dude, about what Aurelia said to Jessica the other day. What? You know, so he's in this phase right now. He's five. He's such a fun phase. So he's in this phase where he idolizes me, which I got to tell you, not you, you guys, you know this, you guys both know this. Yep. As a dad, when you're kid, especially your son idolizes you, it's such a wonderful thing. You get better than that. It doesn't. It doesn't. They just think you're awesome. And then they want to do it. They want to be like you. So he says things like, Hey, what do you want to do when you grow up? I want to work at mine pump. You know, he says stuff like that. And he makes, he'll steal her phone and you'll record videos of himself. And every video he'll get on there. He makes this funny face. He flexes and then he goes, you know, my name is Aurelius and I work at mine pump. I make muscles. And he does this thing. Anyway, you know what he told her? Yeah. He said, he goes, Mom, can I ask you a question? She's like, guys, like, am I looking muscular? And she's like, why? And he goes, I've been bodybuilding. Can you tell? I think so. What is he doing? I got to ask him, like, what does he think bodybuilding is? That's so awesome. I love when they're like that. Max is still there. Katrina's always trying to change it. She's just like, what do you want to do? Because he wants to do what I want to do. He likes the foods that I like and I love it. You know, she'll be like, well, what do you want to do? Max for this. And he'll be like, I want to do what daddy wants to do. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. And Katrina's like, well, what do you want to do? I want to do that. That's what I want to do. And I'm like, yeah, I'm always getting his back. Hey, let him do it. He wants to do it. I want to do it too. It's the best feeling. I was watching the other day on the, we have a, what is it, like a nanny cam. And he was having trouble going to bed. He's going through this little phase where he's getting like scared at night. And so Jessica tries to, you know, encourage him and leave. Well, anyway, one of these nights, he was, he just kept saying he was scared. So she reluctantly, because it's late, you're tired. And she always does a good job with this, but she's like, okay. So she went down there and she'll sit next to his bed until he falls asleep. And he's so, so I was watching it on the camera and he's so funny. He's sitting there laying there and he sits up and he goes, mom, I just want you to know you're the best mom in the world. Thank you so much for doing this. And I could just see her just, oh, it's worth it. Yeah. You're just snicker bar for seeing this. It's so worth it. You know, when you hear that. We still, we still let Max come in. I'm like, I'm telling Katrina, I'm like, we're probably getting close to her. We're going to have to stop that pretty soon here. Cause he's, He's just coming to your bed. Yeah. He comes. So our role is that he has to, he goes to bed, he stays in bed and in the morning time he come in. And morning is sometimes five in the morning, six in the morning. It's always, it's early like that, but he can climb in at that time. Does he go back to sleep? Oh yeah. Oh good. Yeah. Oh yeah. That's part of the role. If you're going to be, otherwise we'll be like, if you're going to be up, you go play in your room. Like it's five o'clock in the morning. You can't stay. And he will sometimes, sometimes he'll stay up and he'll go play and entertain himself for the next two hours, whatever. But we, we've let him come in. And I still, I lay with him every night. So it's seven, almost seven years straight. I mean, I just remind myself that like, that's going to end at some point. Hey, yeah, one point, he's not going to want me to do this. And so I'm going to, I'm going to gobble it up for as long as I can. It reaches a point. I know you've done this already, Justin, because you're, you got teenagers where you're like, Hey buddy, do you want to do this thing? Like, no, I'm going to go do something else. Right. And it's like, there's like this switch that happened. This is supposed to happen. Yeah. But there's a PC that goes, Oh yeah, it's far you guys and stuff. Oh, of course. And every dad, dad buddy of mine, I know that's told me that, like I remind myself that of that, at least for me, this is this way, some of the best conversations, because he wants to stay awake, right? Yeah. So it's when he becomes the most talkative or shares the most is laying in bed. So I love to come lay in bed with him because then he'll tell me stuff that he wouldn't have told me. During the day, he's playing, he's doing a thing. It's how was school? Oh, it's fine. What'd you do? Oh, nothing. He has nothing to share. But laying in bed, when it's time to go to sleep, and you're supposed to be sleeping, then he'll tell me all about his day and all the things he learned and conversations. Yeah. So I'm like, you know what? This is so worth it. So worth it. I remind myself, because what he'll do, Dahlia is still too young, but she gets, so I'm sure she'll hit this phase, but he's like at the stage, she'll just ask me question after question after question. And I find myself getting a little tired. Then I remind myself, like, you know, but his questions are hilarious. Like he's like, you know, I'm going on a walk, you know, like on those long walks. Hey, but Pa, yeah. And he goes, can I have a sleepy dart gun? Like what? I don't know. You can't have a, well, why not? And I'm like, well, I think they're illegal for people to own. He goes, but they use them on animals. I'm like, if you shoot an elephant with a sleepy dart gun, how long will it take for them to fall asleep? And then he just turns into the cycle. He just watched Zootopia or what? Uh, he did. Maybe that's where he got it from. It is from that. Oh gosh. Because Max, You really want to put that together? Because Max asks about the same thing. Sleepy dart gun? That's what I know about that. He asked if they were real. He's like, Daddy, are those real? I was like, he didn't watch old school, did he? No, no. No, it's from Zootopia. It's crazy. They make that, I don't know if it's part one or part two, but one of the Zootopias, that's what he, that's what he's shooting the animals with. Yes. Yeah, yeah, with the sleepy darts. Oh God, he would put that together. Yeah. So he probably, and he loves to ask. Max asks all about that too. And I'm like, Did you get those versus books for him? The what? Animal versus books. You know what? I don't think I ever got those. Oh, you got to get them, dude. I ordered them. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, you totally made me, or I forgot all about it until you just said that. I got, we got all of them. Yeah. They're crazy, Justin. They're like, who wins in a fight? And it pairs the animals again. King Cobra versus a, you know, a lizard. He loves that conversation. They're great books. And you go through and you read about, and then the battle at the end, you have to guess who wins. Oh, that's even better. Yeah, we did that with videos like on YouTube for a while. Oh, you watch real ones? Yeah. Oh, no, no, this is pretend. We were like, yeah. I can't, I can't get him to watch. So, oh man, I did this speaking of the, so did I send this to you guys? That, that Wasp, and I think it's South Africa or whatever. The one that grabbed the, uh, the spider. The trantula? Yeah, it's a, uh, bro. There is a Wasp, and I think, I think it's South America. Yeah. Okay. So it grabbed, it. On the pain meter, it's like number two, I believe to the bullet. So listen to what this thing does. Trantula hawk. Yes. Yes. It's a trantula hawk. It's a wasp. It's a Wasp. It's a good size one. And it's carrying a big trantula up. It's flying with it? No, it's, yeah. Oh, it's carrying it up like it's walking. Uh-oh. And so, it, so it stings the back of the trantula. And the trantula can't move. So it totally, uh, paralyzes the spider. Yeah. Then it carries it up, and then it cocoons it alive, and then burrows its, its young, lays its eggs inside the spider while it's alive. And then so it's young can eat it. And then the young eat every organ that's not vital. So they eat everything that keeps it alive as long as possible until the very end. That's a, that's terrifying. Is that not the most terrifying that you've ever heard? I've never heard that before. I've seen this thing before. Imagine if we had a predator just stalking us like that to do some, some like horrible. Cocooned you alive, then puts its children in you to eat you alive. Yeah. Well, that is wild. So, so dark. The fact that it's a spider, though, is okay. So, yeah, I know. I'm like all for it. It was, it was, all the video was showing was the, the wasp carrying the spider up a thing. And so I was showing Max. I'm like, dude, check this out. And he's like, like, he's, he doesn't like watching video. I'm like, it doesn't do anything scary. I'm just showing you. But it's like looking like, like this. Pull it. Yeah. So that night, he has a nightmare about getting stung by a wasp. Oh, I get, I get laid into. I say, you know, he doesn't like stuff. I tell, why are you showing him? I'm like, it didn't have anything scary. It was literally a wasp and a spider, a nature. Yeah, dude. He does not like videos like that. Of course he had a nightmare. I can't read it. Had explained to him, those don't exist over here in California. You don't have to worry about those wafts. The wasp that we have aren't like that. This is like, I figured his name is like Cody Peterson or something. He has like a YouTube channel. And he's like, he's the guy that stings himself. Yeah. Yeah. He tests them out. He tests out on the pain scale, like every one of those bites, like personally. And then he's like, oh, it just bit me. And then he like isolates it and he shows, you know, it growing. And then the next day, what it looks like. And I'm like, dude, this guy, he needs like a Nobel Prize or some news. Yeah. But like, it's all for nature. He's not doing it just, I mean, obviously he's going to get a lot of views because we all just want to see him get like, you know, stung. I don't know if I can watch it. That's what, I mean, I don't, after I saw that and I read what it does, I'm like, I don't think I know of anything more vicious or like bad than like what, what other animal does something. What is it? Is it praying mantis that the, that they'll mate and cut the, and then snap the other person's head off? He eats the head off. Yeah. They're done. I'll take that all day long over injecting your children to me to eat my insights out. I mean, does it get worse than that? Yeah. There's insects. There's other insects that do that kind of stuff. Really? Yeah. I'm trying. I never, I never read anything like that before. And I was like, I had to, I dug deeper because I'm like, this can't be true. This is really what happens in your, it was like everything you said, it was like, they, literally not only do they do that, but then they eat the organs that keep it alive. They're conscious. And you're trapped. Like, please just snap my neck. I would much rather just go, yeah, like that's got to be the worst, right? Awful. I think there's a tribe somewhere that uses bullet ants as a coming of age. They put on gloves. It's a glove. They put on these like wicker gloves filled with bullet ants. And it's, it's like, as a boy becomes a man, he has to withstand it. And they stand there and let these ants sting the crap out of them. It's the most painful thing that there is. And you're, and you're, and you're not supposed to like yell or cry. They're there. Look at the picture of the dude just wearing the glove and just letting them just bite his hands. And you just have to do that for. I forgot. But oh my gosh. I know. I know. Yeah. And there's some hornets and, you know, 10 minutes. Oh, God. Hey, I got quick real quick. We're like 45 paralysis hallucinations and days of shaking. Oh, God. All right. Listen, I gotta do that 20 times. Is that going to be our next YouTube? No, I gotta ask you guys, we're about 45 minutes in. I gave you key 10 IQ at the beginning of the podcast. What do you guys feel? Always, always more clear. It's wild, right? Sharp. Yeah. Is it a wild? Yeah. It's like the best thing. I mean, I like that I can have it with my caffeine too. Yeah, because there's no caffeine. Yeah. It's the best. I mean, I use it and I notice every time I take one of their shots of ketones, it takes about 20 minutes or so. Yeah. And I just feel really sharp. You'll do up to three in a day. I haven't done that yet. Yeah, I'll do one in the morning, one at lunch, and sometimes I'll do one before I leave. So ketones themselves are a bit neuroprotective, right? Yeah. Because I've recommended this to my friend recently because he had like an unfortunate stroke. Yeah. It was like kind of a random thing. But like, I'm like, this might be great. For the brain, it's a really easy, clean source of energy. So your brain just operates really well on ketones. And oftentimes, mental fog, issues with clarity, where you're like, what's, you know, why do I feel like I'm not that sharp? It's actually the energy systems of the brain. So creatine. So why creatine helps with that? Creatine, yeah. And then ketones. And because of ketone IQ, you just take a shot of it instead of having to go into ketone. Oh, yeah. Ketogenic diet. Well, what's cool is that you can get the benefits of going into ketosis without being in ketosis. Yeah, because the ketogenic diet sucks. Well, yeah. You either got to fast for a good 24-plus hours to get into ketosis or you're going to be on a ketogenic diet, which is unbelievably restrictive, to get yourself down. Because I remember it took a few days of the ketogenic diet before I actually even fell into ketosis. Because you have to be really, really strict on the cards. You get dialed, yeah. Yeah. And that's just, I mean, that's not a realistic way. But there's all these incredible benefits that we are aware of. So the fact that you can just take a zogenous supplement and get in there is awesome. It's great. You want mental clarity. You want athletic performance. You want whatever. Now, do you know how long it takes? Like because you're not technically getting into ketosis. All you're doing is. You're using up the ketone. You're producing. You're getting the benefits of it. Your not. Hours. Because you're. Okay. Yeah. Last hours. You can actually test it. You can get a ketone strip. You can drink ketone IQ. Wait 30 minutes. Pee on the strip. Oh, it'll show that you're. Oh, yeah. Yeah. You're in ketosis. Like straight up. You'll measure into a nice. Oh, I didn't know the key don't shift over prioritize it. You use both using both. You're using both, but your brain loves key time. Well, yeah, it loves it. It'd be kind of a test is to actually see using your intestines to see how long that you're still showing that those strips are cheap. You can borrow my house on. Yeah, yeah, yeah, no, that'd be I didn't know that. Oh, interesting. Element. This is an electrolyte powder. You can add your water that gives you the electrolytes you need. Most importantly, it gives you enough sodium. Most electrolyte powders are too low in sodium to make a difference, but not element. They know the science. 1000 milligrams. Boom. Suddenly more energy, less headaches, less muscle cramps, less fatigue, better pumps in your workout. It feels amazing. It tastes good. Oh, by the way, no sugar, no artificial sweeteners. Go check them out. Go to drink. L M N T dot com forward slash. Mine pump. That link will get you a free sample pack with any order. Go check them out. First question is from Ali Mac 122. One of your most recent podcasts, the title is Lose Weight After 30, keeps talking about removing processed foods. Can you please clarify? Clarify what you mean by process because pre-watch pre-wash spinach is processed. Canned and flash frozen vegetables are processed. Peeled and frozen shrimp are processed. Just curious as to what you all consider is good versus bad in the world of process. All those will be fine. Sal says minimally processed is another way to say it. I have, there's another, I've heard people say, which I think is a great way. If it didn't exist 200 years ago, like that's just, that's an easy way to do it also. Yeah. Like all those things that you just listed existed 200 years ago. Yeah, they did. So I, this is so funny. I had a client once who got this crazy debate with me. Well, would you say processed? Like, what do you mean? Like they have to wash the apple. That's a price. Like, okay, listen, this is the same thing with bad chemicals and they reduce it down to molecules. No, we're referring to heavily processed foods. These are foods that typically have a lot of ingredients. They're not in their natural form. So like a cookie, there is no cookie tree. You can find flash frozen vegetables, but those vegetables exist in nature. Yeah. So minimally processed would be there. But yeah, food that has a long shelf life, but like one or a few ingredients is okay. When we say process, we're talking about heavily processed foods, foods that are not anywhere near their natural state. Okay. They're, they're foods that are engineered. They're engineered foods. And the reason why they're not good is because the science that goes into making them is geared towards making them hyper palatable, which means you're going to overeat them. It throws off your satiety. You're just not going to feel satisfied at the same time as you would with something that's let's say whole and natural. And so it just causes you to overeat. So one of the easiest ways to eat an appropriate amount is you simply eliminate those foods and you'll naturally fall into a caloric intake. That's much more appropriate. I mean, can you poke holes in the 200 years? I can't think of a situation where like what, what's two, but been around for 200 years that you couldn't, I mean, that's one way to say it. I guess you totally say that. I mean, I feel like that simplifies this for people because people do ask stuff like this all the time. Well, there's typically a, even like meat is processed somewhat like they had, you know what I'm saying? It's like, yeah, there's processed. It's like, if it was ever, if this was around 200 years ago, you could eat that food and eat it. It's like, it's typically single ingredient kind of stuff. Like all the stuff that this person list listed, um, you know, yeah, like frozen shrimp. When you, what's the ingredient there? Shrimp. Right. You know, flash, frozen vegetables. What's the ingredient? Vegetables. It's pre-washed spinach. It's spinach. Now, if it was like, um, you know, uh, vegetable chips, yeah, that's totally different. Uh, if it was shrimp flavored chips, that's different. Yeah. So what was usually for me, it was like the middle of the grocery store, like you just avoid like you just like would do the perimeter. That's a hundred percent. That's where you're going to find it better. 100%. All right. Our next question is from pretty, pretty, uh, Patty 10. What is better, conventional deadlifts or sumo? What are the big differences? Does it truly make a difference doing one over the other? So they're both called the deadlift. They're both, they both qualify in powerlifting. So conventional though, but if you power, if you compete in powerlifting, they'll accept either a sumo or conventional, uh, as your deadlift. This is added a lot of confusion because it's, it's made them the same exercise. They're not. They're not conventional. Conventional deadlift is better. It's a full range of motion. It is, but they're different. It's like doing both, you know, it's like saying a hack squat versus a barbell squat or a front squat versus a barbell squat. If you were only going to do one of them, which one are you picking? Conventional deadlift all day long. Probably. Yeah. Not probably. It's the whole posterior chain. Yeah. Yeah. No, it's a greater range. I think it's probably more functional. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's definitely, but I think both do both, uh, in your routine. Yeah. I mean, I, I, I, I, I, I program sumo deadlifts all the time, especially for my female clients that want to develop their glutes because I think it's, it's great for glue drive. I think it's great for that. And your glue needs more involved because of the, your stance. Um, and so if you want to develop your butt, both are great for developing your butt, but if, uh, it's I program both and use the sumo for that reason. But if you're not competing and you're only going to primarily do one, I'm going to make you, I'm going to have you do conventional. That's typically, that's what I would teach. Yeah. Yeah. Almost always was the conventional. But again, the confusion is that they're like, they're interchangeable because the same, they're not the same exercise. Powerlifting is added to that confusion because they accept both, but they're not. Yeah. You said it well. It's, it's like comparing a front squat to a back squat. Very different. They're both squats, but they're different. Yeah. Next question is from Sarah Beth for prez. Can I train abs with cable crunches, decline sit ups and leg raises through the week while still doing vacuum coat poses daily? Yeah. You can vacuum poses all the time. Yeah. That's a low intensity, low, uh, you know, tension exercise, vacuum poses. You know what they're good for? Uh, connecting, uh, to the muscles that brace the core. Yeah. Give them a TVA. That's a, that's something to do. Now the only downside is don't do them so much that you're like not breathing. Well, like don't try and hold it all day long so that you're shallow breathing, but practicing. That's the best way to do vacuum poses is to do them. Frequently. That's absolutely. That's hot. I, this is what I used to tell my clients is I would put them in that posture pose where it naturally draws you in and be like, you feel that like the way you're drawn in. I'm like, just practice that all day. Like I just, this is something I try. I notice when I'm driving in my car, sitting on planes, like I'll, I'll slouch and then I'll feel myself do that and then I'll activate and just tense up for a while and just try and do as frequently as possible. Yeah. Well, my, my post, uh, my, uh, like, uh, what is it called post pregnant or what's the term I'm looking for? I can't remember. I can't believe it. I can't post part of them. Thank you very much. My post part of clients, uh, daily vacuum, uh, poses was like always part of their routine. Yeah. It's such a big difference with bringing them midsection in, but also just give them connection is huge with that. Next question is from Ney Glintz at 54 years old. I am following anabolic and lifting two days per week. Is that enough to prevent the muscle loss associated with menopause and the aging or am I just slowing down the muscle loss process? Am I actually able to build muscle at this age? Because right now I feel as if I'm losing muscle fast and gaining fat equally as fast. One strength training session every two weeks is enough to prevent uh, the muscle loss. You're going to build muscle at two days a week. Now, if you're not building muscle, it's probably diet and, and, or you're, maybe you're doing the routine wrong or the intensity is wrong or your sleep is off. So I would recommend this is what I recommend to clients, uh, who are like asking questions like this, hire a trainer higher for like two months, hire a trainer for two months, learn how to do things properly, have them coach you. You'll get so much out of that. Yeah. The other thing would be hormones too. Sal, right? Like, uh, I mean, hopefully you have somebody who's, uh, cause if, if someone like this is on like, if they're estrogen, progesterone, everything's all off really bad, a lot of times too, you could still build muscle. Just not like they normally, they normally would, but we have a guy in here that trains a little over clients who's on testosterone suppression. You know what I'm talking about? He had a testosterone sensitive cancer. They had to not just, uh, they put them on medication to bring his testosterone down. It measures at like 20. Okay. He just hit a PR on deadlifts at 225. Oh yeah. So the muscle building process still happens when your hormones off, it makes it harder, but you're still good. I've trained many women in menopause. None of them did, uh, many of them didn't do hormone therapy and they still built muscle, um, and, and got results. Potentials to have hormone therapy makes it easier for sure. Yeah. They still built muscle. I felt like I had the menopause women were one of the hardest clients I had to show good results with. And I felt like the ones that did get their hormones balanced and it does. Make a difference. Made a huge difference, especially if you are listening right now and you feel like you're, you're checking the boxes. My sleep's pretty good. I'm hitting my macros. I'm following a good program and then still not seeing results. Then most often than not fixing the, the hormones are going to see someone to get a like hormone replacement therapy. Like that made a big difference. But two days a week is plenty. It's plenty. I mean, one day a week will, she could see. I have most of my clients that were, uh, menopausal did one day a week with me. They were active the rest of the week. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's my pump media. Thank you for listening to mine pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance, check out our discounted RGB super bundle at mine pump media.com. The RGB super bundle includes maps, anabolic, mass performance and maps aesthetic. Nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels and performs. 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