2828: The "Goldilocks Zone" - Build Muscle WITHOUT Bulking or Cutting

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Head on over to mine pump store.com. That's it. Enjoy the rest of the show. Look, a lot of you need to stop trying to bulk and stop trying to cut. It's destroying your experience. It's making this impossible. You're not progressing and you stop because of it. Stop trying to bulk and cut. Let's talk about it. What? Yeah, I know. Where is this coming from? Well, so, you know, just through talking through or talking to a lot of callers that call him and I get the whole bulk and cut process and why we do it. It's like 90% of our callers. Yeah. So coming to that. Yeah. So, so for people listening, we're unfamiliar with those two terms. Just real quick. A bulk is the attempt to eat more than you're burning so you can gain muscle. I don't think anybody bulks to gain body fat. And then a cut is the attempt at reducing your calories below what you're burning in order to cause fat loss. And so someone listening might be like, well, that's why I'm working out. I'm trying to accomplish one or the other or both. And the challenge with it is this constant attempt at manipulating your diet and counting these things for a lot of people makes the experience so, uh, the for lack of a better term, unenjoyable makes it stressful to the point where they eventually stop because it's a, it's stressful. It sucks. It makes eating. It can be obsessive. Feel either restrictive or, or, or structure to structured. Um, and it changes, um, the entire workout experience, uh, to be really only about accomplishing a particular goal, uh, which I get that, like people have fitness goals, I get that. Uh, but, uh, when I coached and trained people, everybody had a fitness goal. My goal was always, can I get this person to do this for the rest of your life? So regardless of what your goal is, which I'll help you get to my goal as a coach is can I get this person to a place where they enjoy doing this? And oftentimes this like structured, I got to do this bulk. I got to eat this much or I got to eat this little, um, kind of kills the whole thing and turns it into this experience that really, really sucks. Some of the questions always like, well, what do I do? Well, how do I eat? Like what's, what, what do I do here? What's interesting. Yeah. And again, I've experienced this with, with clients and even myself is if you eat a particular way, which we'll talk about, cause I'm sure you guys have some, some input, but there are ways to eat where your body kind of, uh, directs you, uh, in a way to where you eat, uh, more when your body's trying to build. Uh, if you're a bit overweight in terms of body fat, your body actually, uh, has you eat an appropriate amount and you start to lose body fat. And the progress appears to be more of a recomp than it does this dramatic, uh, cut and bulk, you know, type of thing. Yeah. I think I'd like to propose an argument to that. Sure. Um, I actually think that the cutting and bulking process eases people's mind and simplifies the process of recomping just because when you, when, when you try, the ideal place I think to be, and I think we're probably, most of us probably land, um, is in kind of like this, what we call the, we're trying land in this Goldilocks zone where it's just a, it's like a recomp. You're not aggressively bulk. I don't think you really, You're trying to push in one direction. Yeah. I don't think any of us really aggressively bulk or cut. Uh, you can make that argument back in my competing days. I did stuff like that. Um, but for the most part, I think you just, I just eat somewhere around maintenance, which puts me in this sometimes, uh, sort of, which is, I think an ideal to your argument, an ideal place for people to be, uh, both, I think physically and psychologically, but I think the reason why bulking and cutting has been so popular and why we tend to use it as a tool is because I think people have a really hard time, uh, staying in that Goldilocks zone where the scale doesn't really move north or south when they have a goal of I want to lose fat or I want to build muscle and simplifying it by putting them in a bulk, say the person who wants to build muscle. So we have them. So they say they see some sort of potential movement in the direction they think they're going, even though it may not even be muscle, but they see some sort of like, I'm trying to bulk and trying to build. So the fact that I'm up three pounds on the scale feels like a positive reinforcement and so I'll stay the course type of deal and vice versa. I'm trying to lean out. I'm trying to cut and trying to lose body fat. Uh, and so I'm reducing my calories significantly and I see the scale goes down a little bit. And so, um, I think that that, that strategy tends to ease people a little bit. That okay, I think I'm going the right direction, but I see your argument, but I think the reason why it, it's tough for the average person is I think the average person struggles to be there. Yeah. I think they lack knowledge on some level in terms of what they're actually putting in their body. They're blissfully sort of, they have an idealistic, uh, opinion about how they eat, uh, until they actually, you know, put that on paper. But I, I agree with the initial statements. Like you kind of want to work your way to this place where it's like, it's basically maintenance or recomp or it's, you know, you're, you're serving this as more of a long-term health strategy and goal where I can maintain what I'm doing without being too hyper focused on fluctuating, uh, into the extremes. Uh, so yeah, I think that at least initially, I think it's helpful to kind of put parameters out there of like, okay, if this, this will, this is where my maintenance really is. This is where, you know, deficits lie. Like if I'm going to go, you know, extreme in that or extreme here, um, you can at least have a basis for getting a portion of, you know, this meal, I can just slightly reduce that meal or I could slightly add to this meal. Like you need some kind of like homeo stasis. Well, I agree with your statement about that the end goal should be what he's saying, like I definitely agree that ultimately that's where I wanted to take all my clients. Ultimately I, I want to find this homeo stasis of where you're eating, where you're in a satisfied place and, you know, and not a stress or nothing. Yeah. It's not a stress. You're not tracking or pushing really hard to gain or cutting really hard to lose. You're in this really nice place. But my argument is that a lot, most people aren't there. In fact, most people do better with some sort of a focus on a cut or a bowl until maybe to Justin's point that, that experience and knowledge gets there. That it's like, Oh, I can, I don't need to move the scale in order to be successful. And I don't need to hyper push or focus in the direction and I can get incredible health and there are, there are cases. I do want to be clear. There are cases where a targeted bulk or a targeted cut might be important. Um, I'll give an example. You have somebody who has had any disorders for much of their life. Um, and their idea of eating enough is really off. It's just really off when they eat enough, like what's appropriate to them. It feels like too much. I'm stuffed. I don't feel good. Yeah. Uh, so with that person, you kind of have to recalibrate them. But for a lot of people, by the way, this is what my, my training look like in the bath, back half of my career. The first half of my career was all cutting and bulking. It was all this stuff. The back half of my career asked me how many times I would take clients and, uh, have them figure out what they need to eat and get them to a cut or a bulk. What it looked like at the end was, um, we're going to focus on, uh, like, there were parameters, but it looked like this. Like you're going to eat whole foods. You need your activity. Really? Yeah. You're going to eat whole foods. That's what you're going to focus on. Really try and stick to that most of the times, much as you possibly can make your meals protein centric. Don't skip meals when you're hungry, eat. When you feel satisfied, stop. And I towards the back half of my career, this is what my nutrition advice looked like. Now there was coaching through this because although it sounds simple, there's still challenges, right? If you go from a 70% of your calories come from processed food, like most people to whole food, there's some coaching that's involved. Um, no, not skipping meals or eating appropriate, like, you know, meal prepping, like there's some coaching involved, but there's this, there's this presupposition. There's this assumed, uh, st, you know, uh, status of people. There's this assumed, like we assume that our appetite signals are not to be trusted. Yeah. We assume that if a person just eats when they're hungry, they're all going to end up obese. That's not true. That's only true when you feed yourself food that has been engineered to make you overeat. Then you, then if you listen to your, uh, systems of satiety or appetite, well, yeah, you are going to be obese, but when you eat whole natural foods again, except for the extremes, um, here's what ends up happening. This is what I ended up finding towards the end of my career. When I would have guys, when I would coach guys in this way, and they'd kind of start to follow this, they would eventually fall around 15, 16, 17% body fat. This is where they ended up. Everybody, everybody ended up here. We weren't trying to cut. We weren't trying to do anything. Just we all kind of fell in this body fat percentage. Everybody got stronger. Everybody built muscle. My female clients, they would fall somewhere between 21 to 25, maybe 26% body. Everybody just kind of fell pretty healthy range in these healthy, lean-ish body fat percentages without really counting anything, uh, really only paying attention to I'm eating when I'm hungry. I'm eating protein centric and I'm sticking to whole natural foods. And what this looked like for someone who is really overweight is they would see fat loss for somebody who needed to build muscle. We'd see a lot of muscle gain for people who were kind of in this average range. We would see a nice trade of fat loss with muscle gain, but it was a stress, kind of stress-free approach. And they didn't go through the challenges that you'll often see with like structured cuts and structured bolts. Like I'll give another example. I was talking to my cousin, uh, recently, my cousin does jujitsu also lifts weights. Uh, so he's active, uh, and he's, his body fat came back at 18%. He's like, dude, I want to get down to like 15, 16%. So he's dropped like 3%. Not a big deal. And he goes, uh, you know, how do, what should I do? How do I go on a cut? So while there's two ways we could do this, I said, a, we could track your calories and put you in a deficit. Uh, and then you'll drop that 3% body fat and it'll probably take us six weeks like that, or you could do this. And I told him what I'm saying. I said, Hey, hit your body weight and protein, eat it first, stick to whole natural foods, eat when you're hungry. And that's it. Now you'll still drop body fat. It won't happen as fast. However, in the structured cut, here's what you're going to notice. Here's some of the side effects. Your performance is going to drop in jujitsu and in your workouts because you're in this kind of bigger deficit. If you do what I'm saying, I don't think you're going to notice a drop in performance at all and it'll take longer. You're not going to drop 3% body fat in six weeks. It might take more like 12 weeks or 18 weeks, but the whole time you're going to feel good and it's not going to feel like this structure thing. And the odds of rebound are way lower because you're not coming out of a cut. You know, type of deal. You know, there's a, there's a, there's a bit of bias that we have, that we have to factor in when we give advice like this, I think that it pertains to what Justin was saying about the education piece that I think is so important. I realize that the clients that I got the back half of my career were much easier to deal with because they were all referrals. So when you came to me later on, it was like, tell me what to do. You already helped my, my friend Christine told me that you're the best at this. You're the, and so I could give advice like that, like, Hey, or you actually gave better advice because of your experience. So you distilled it down to the, both crux, both is true. Both is true. But nonetheless, it's biased because you get, you don't get the average client. You get a client who's coming to you with, I already trust and believe everything you're saying, where I think the average person or average trainer, even if you're knowledgeable and you listen to this podcast and you give a lot of advice, still has that challenge of like, they have to educate the client still to get them to halt, hop on that side. I think the argument you're making Adam is maybe something like this, cause I can see where you're going. It's like, I got to show someone movement on the scale. Right. Otherwise they're going to be like, this is taking too long. Right. Yeah. No, I get that. And I, and, and, and they're all, and they're also, we know how deceiving the mirror, all those things can be. And so you're telling them like, just trust me, trust this process. And we want to hover and they're like, I don't look good. I don't feel like I'm getting any change. And so they have a hardwired expectations. Right. So it's, it's, it's tends to be a little bit easier to say, Hey, we're going to go on a bulk. This is what to happen. This is what to expect. And it's like, and so it's easier to prep for that. And then to show that you have that control and ability to manipulate their look, their weight, their strength, all these things. So that I then have the trust to go, okay, this is how we, this is the place we want to be where we, you talk about your clients, how they, but I mean, we're all biased because by the time we are at the, or, you know, whatever level you want to call us when we were great trainers or good trainers, that I bet each of us in here, uh, we're out fishing for brand new people who didn't trust us. No, sorry. We got clients that were like bought into our philosophy. You know, you're, you're not wrong, but I'll add this cause it did what Justin was saying, uh, my, the way I coached and trained people was different. I would steer away from the scale and the mirror. And I started to point out all the improvements that they normally wouldn't have noticed because they're so hyper focused on the scale in the mirror. Yeah. So my clients, when they would come to me and we'd have these conversations and believe me, like any coach or trainer listening, they're subconscious more. They know this. Like if you're a trainer or coach, you know this. Okay. Or even if you're not in your, you're a person who hires a trainer, they would come to me and they'd say, no, I want to do this. I want you to tell me what to do. And I want to lose that and lose that. And so, or gain this. And so it was a conversation, but then what I would do through my training is I show them, you just did two more reps. You're stronger here. Uh, how's your sleep? Oh my God, I'm sleeping better. How's your energy? You know, I don't need that third coffee in the day. Hey, did you know, did you notice your back? Doesn't hurt when we do bent over rows, like we tried, uh, five weeks ago and we couldn't do them. Now we're doing, do you notice your back doesn't hurt? And so they started to see all these other improvements, which kept them going. And then eventually what would happen is they'd say things like, uh, I'm getting leaner. What's going on? Like, this is weird. I don't feel like I'm trying really hard. And then I knew I had them. And then I knew like, no, no, no, this is working, but it is, uh, a lot of conversations and I totally get it. Like almost nobody enters into a fitness, uh, program saying, um, what's your goal? I want to do this forever. Nobody says that everybody says I want to, it's specific. I want to build muscle, burn body fat. I want to change the way this looks or change the way that looks, but, but the real challenge is, uh, figuring out how to do this forever. And I'm, look, I'm going to say this right now, uh, our bodies are not broken. Everybody. The problem is you're, you're feeding your body food that was designed to make you overeat and you live in a world that's designed to make you not move. It's not your body that's broken. It's just this environment that we, if we just change the inputs a little bit, like you could still eat and eat until you're satisfied. Just eat foods that your body knows when to say stop. It knows when to say eat more. Cause that's what'll happen too. I had many clients through this process that would get so scared because we'd start training, they'd listen to me and start eating whole natural foods, but we're strength training. And what they would do is they come to me and be like, my appetite is through the roof. Yeah. Why am I so hungry sell? I don't want to keep eating this much. And I would tell them, no, no, eat when you're hungry because we're building muscle right now. Your body's actually telling you that you need to eat more food, listen to it. And it's really interesting. And I do think so many people are ruining their experience in the relationship with fitness. Cause they're so hyper focused on macros cutting, bulking. I got to do this. I got to do that thing that it becomes this really stressful, like, uh, process to the point when other life stresses start to get high. It's just overwhelming. I don't want to do this anymore. I'm done. I'm going to stop. I just want to enjoy my life. Yes. Interesting. Cause it is definitely like an advantage to have a coach, uh, identifying those things and being able to forecast it and, um, you know, tell you're going to run into this and, um, you know, to be able to kind of calm their own urges to, um, you know, to just fully cut or to fully bulk or, you know, so I think that, you know, it simplifies it. So you can make an argument like the cut and bulk, like initially it's like kind of the, the new trainer. That's like the easy way to handle that situation instead of like really, identifying, um, a lot of those things that are going on in their process of, of, you know, cutting out the, the processed food and really sticking with whole natural foods. You have to kind of identify those things and really, um, you know, have, have them visualize it and, and well, the truth is that in, in, I know for sure that each of you would handle this case by case because there's, there's clients that come to you and the first hour they're communicating to you, their goals or challenges, their, their previous history with diet and workout and with that and where you, where, how you guide them is completely dependent on that. Of course. You know, there's, there's, there's, there's a scenario, there's a scenario, example for, uh, someone that you absolutely put on a cut or absolutely put on a bulk or absolutely tell them, we're not going to do either that. We're like, and so the question becomes, you know, where do, and I think that's where my argument is right now is that I think that most people aren't ready for kind of hovering around that, that place yet. I think they have to go through the education process of even knowing what, you know, 150 grams of protein looks like, knowing what, yeah. Yeah. You still have to do that. Yeah. You still got to feel like, what is protein centric? Do I have an egg? Yeah. No, no, like, it's probably more like 30 to 40. And what does it look like when I actually intentionally try and eat in a surplus of calories and what does that feel like when I do that? And what does it feel like when I decide to restrict a little bit? Like, I mean, that's the other thing too. I've always had to communicate is like, there's this idea of like, you know, being in a, in a cut, you won't feel hungry. Like, of course. You're going to feel hungry. Of course. It fits a specific, if it is a directed structured cut. Right. Right. It's going to be all right. And so there's, there's a bit of, uh, there's a, there's a bit of an, uh, education process that goes through the, the teaching of cutting and bulking. Totally. I think the people that I'm talking to know who I'm talking to right now. I think people listening were like, Oh God. And I know, and I know who you're talking to. Like over and over. All right. All right. There's, there's people that are beyond that. And they understand what their macros are. They know what maintenance probably is. It could even be the beginner right now that's overwhelmed with all of it. And it's like, what do I, okay, what do I do? How many calories? What do I, and it's like, Oh, really just do that. Just eat whole natural foods. Uh, eat high protein meals. Eat it first. That's all I got to do. A big weight off the shoulders. Yeah. But to your point, Adam, I had, I'm look, I, I was on a coaching call with Will and one of his clients. Now this woman, uh, had been, uh, impatient, uh, several times for anorexia. Um, and she had just gotten released and she was wanted to hire a coach. And, uh, so she hired one of our coaches. My advice to her was not listen to your appetite signals. Right. Cause if she listens to her appetite signals, she's not going to eat because it's off. So my advice to her was this is going to feel uncomfortable. You're going to eat well beyond what you think is enough because your idea of enough is so off that you have to relearn what that feels like. I mean, I guess that's what I, where I'm coming from too, is I have that in the back of my mind right now. Cause I know that Katrina is booking a call for me to hop on with Karen and one of her clients. And I know that her client struggles with. Yes. Eating enough. That's right. And I know that if I tell her to listen to her body, she's going to be like, Oh, I'm stuffed all the time. That's just like, yeah, your, your signal is, is off and you need to be in a, in a bulk when we need to, to understand that there's going to be a bit of this uncomfortable feeling and we'll, you'll get. So yeah. And I guess again, back to the point that this is what makes personal training so special and so unique, right? Is that there's, there's some general case, there's some general rules. There's some, some principles that, you know, over decades of training, so many people that we've really distilled down to some like core values of like, eat whole foods, hit your protein. That's going to work for like 90% of the people for like 90% of the way. But you always get those wrenches. But exactly. There's always going to, that's not, it's not like a blanket statement of like, just do that. It's like, there's going to be these people that, that come to you that, oh no, this is somebody who I need to put in. You should hear my cousin's feedback too, because he's doing this right now. So he's trying to eat 200 grams of protein a day, stick to whole natural foods. And remember, his goal is to drop about 3% body fat. Yeah. But he's stuffed. He's like, he's like, I can't eat that much protein. Yeah, yeah, he's stuffed. He's like, I can't do it. I'm like, well, you're going to be in a natural car. There you go. That's what you wanted. It limits you. I said, do you feel like you're dieting right now? He's like, no. I said, that's exactly, that's exactly the point. But yeah, I think the people who know, people who should hear this know, because they're hearing this right now and they're going, oh yeah. This is overwhelming. This is stressful. I don't want to live like this anymore. And again, the premise that the average person, just humans in general, have this appetite that if we let it run wild, we're going to go crazy. That's not true with natural food. It's just not. It's only true with food with drug-like effects that have been engineered to be that way. That's why we over eat for the most part. Well, this is why I was such a fan of Whole30 when it was created. It was such a good. That's right. You know, talk about, there's not a lot of, a lot of diets or modalities that I think I get way behind and be like, oh, that's really like, most people would be very well served to spend 30 days of shit. Like, because it's hard. Let's be honest. It's very hard. It's hard, especially for the average American. I mean, you're radically changing how you eat. So just a lot of people eat out and eat a lot of processed foods. And so it does take some serious planning to plan a month of, I'm only going to eat. You know, what's another part of that too? We actually talked about this. I don't know if this was with a caller. I think it was with a caller recently, but I had this realization that we've taken meal preparation, which used to be this communal, it used to be a great way to spend time with people and it turned into like a job I got to do real quick. And I'm just going to say this like straight up, like, husbands and wives, you guys are looking for time to spend together while you do something and have time to cook meal prep together, cook together. It's a hack for sure. It's some of my favorite time that I ever spend with my wife is when her and I are cooking together. It's like a great way to connect. And we're going to do it anyway. Uh, but why don't we turn it into this? Like, by the way, if you have kids, include your kids. My wife is great at this. She'll send me pictures and I have little kids. I got a three year old and a five year old. So it's not much they could do, but what they can do is like, peel things, throw things in the blender. And so she'll involve them. She'll put them at stations and they'll do this. And she turns cooking meals into this wonderful experience for the family. And I think that's such a hack because now you've, you've not just, you have the value of meal prepping. You don't just have the value of the value of eating a whole natural foods that are healthy, but now you've added the value of connection and this kind of community effect, which just makes it so much. Now it's something I look forward to. Yeah. We're trying to, um, we're in the process of one day three, we're a third day. We're getting there. Um, teaching Max how to make me coffee in the morning. Yeah. Yeah. French press. Oh, wow. Yeah. Yeah. It's great. Yeah. I mean, I have all the right tools. With the hot water and everything. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No, I mean, I want it to be a little risky, right? So I want to say, yeah, yeah, it has to be a little like that's, he's, uh, we got, this again, his school, so cool. His school sends him home with, uh, this kind of thing for parents. And it's like their age breakdown. Um, from, you know, one to three, I think three to five, five to seven, seven to nine. The different things they should be capable to do. Oh, that's great. And so it's just like, well, and Katrina and I got that just recently, like, oh, wow, we're, there's some things in here that we're not making them do. We're not in court doing more of. And so we're, we're trying to incorporate that. And one of them was like, you know, making, making breakfast or doing things like that for himself. And I was like, you know what, he's in this like money earning phase right now too. So I'm going to like pay him a dollar for every time he makes coffee. Of course. And so yeah. So I'm trying to teach him how to, how to make coffee right now, but he's already connected that cleaning the toilets is $10 and clean doing coffee is a dollar. And so he's like, trying to get me to pay more for the, they're both connected. You ain't dead coffee. You'll get to clean. He's trying to get me to pay more for coming up. I'm not paying you. Starbucks is already overpriced at $3. I'm definitely not paying you $10 for a cup of coffee. They're going backwards. So, but yeah, yeah, it's funny watching, uh, watching them try and do it right now. So let's see, uh, see if it backfires on me or if it works out. But that's, that's my goal. I want to ask you guys, Adam, you're the one you've been using the Trollscriptions calm and sleep. I'm a, I'm a believer. Dude, they nailed whatever the formulations are. Can you, okay. It's the most like, like I could feel it. What am I feeling? Okay. I want to know what I'm feeling. I can feel the calm, which is, uh, impressive. There's a sleep. There are obviously sleep things like melatonin and stuff like that. Really most. There's a form of GABA. Is that what it is? The calm that crosses the blood brain barrier. So traditional GABA, which is a, uh, neuro inhibitory, uh, compound. So it basically calms the brain. If you take traditional GABA and you feel it, uh, Scott actually made a point of this, he said, it's cause you have a leaky gut. Okay. It's not supposed to, you're not supposed to feel it. It's too big of a molecule, but they have a form of GABA in there that crosses the blood brain barrier. So when you take it, you feel, okay. So explain this to me because I've always been a fan of Ned's product, right? And, but I feel this more than I feel that. Why would you have a magnesium? You probably need magnesium, but this is not filling nutrient efficiencies. These are compounds that actually have like physiological effects. So it's not just filling a nutrient efficiency. It's like, this has an effect. The other day, so Ned didn't have GABA then. Oh, that's why. Oh, so that's, so it's the GABA that I'm probably feeling. Cause I couldn't wrap my brain around why there's a Garin in there. And then this sleep one, I believe has the GABA Doug, if I'm not mistaken, pull that one up. So there's compounds. He was on this. Oh, he's on the call. You're on the call. Oh, I was on the, no, no, no, go on tro plus calm. That's the one I was on. Yes. Okay. All right. Let me go find the sleep here. No. And then there's the duo right there. That's it. No, GABA, GABA, Mike duo. That's the one. Yeah. So that's the combo right there. Yeah. You put those together and so I take, I take the calm about an hour first. So I, I'm there right before bed and then right before bed, I take the other one. And then Justin, have you been doing the, the methylene blue? Yeah. Yeah, I have. What do you think? Consistently. Yeah. It's helped a lot with my energy. Usually when I drive home, like I seriously have been having this issue where I'm like, I bonk so hard. Or I'm like, I'm like dozing off and I'm driving. I'm waking myself up and playing a lot of music. Um, but yeah, there's just moments, a lot more times during the day where I've just like crashed that it's just, it's been consistently good. So he recommended to me that I take the, the methylene blue early and as part of my sleep routine, what is it about that that I said, because that's the one. My mitochondrial efficiency. Um, and, uh, so it's supposed to help with, um, just better mitochondrial health. But if you take it too late, it's a bit of energizing. So if you take it at night, then it might interfere with sleep. Okay. Yeah. Cause that's the one I, I've been really good about the calm and sleep consistent. I haven't been as consistent with the, the methylene blue. And then there's corticep in there, which is an interesting compound from corticeps, which has gotten effect, uh, on increasing REM sleep. Oh, this is part of, this is part of what's in the sleep. Corticep and the CBN. I got that next. Yeah, dude. And it has five milligrams of melatonin. When you, uh, um, the blue P is funny though. Yeah, I got used to it, man. It's a little funny cause, um, I mean, I have a weird story. I don't feel like I'll go outside like P on the tree. You know, I forgot that I was like, you know, taking methylene blue a lot. My son saw. Oh no. What'd he say? He was like, what? He was so confused. He's like, why is your P blue? He's too young to scare. He could have made up a total bad. Oh no. What does that mean, son? Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. I could have made up a story or something. You should probably be a really good boy. I don't know if I'm going to be around. Dude, I just was the, it threw me off cause I was like, what? It just became normal now. That's a little. And P blue. That's so funny. Dude, I got a, oh, speaking of supplements, did you guys see the post that I'm going to pull it up that Mike Matthews did on the study that they did on supplements? Oh dude, watch this. I'm going to pull this up. So there was a 2025 study that tested 200 popular sports supplements and they tested them for banned substances. Okay. Banned substances. Banned. Okay. So this is like anabolic and 200 supplements. One third of them contained banned drugs. One third third of them. What was in the category of these sports supplements? What? Like, like athletic performance, strength, uh, um, you know, muscle building, neutropic pre-workout, whatever. Who was it? John Jones or I remember some fighters making this claim a long time ago and I'm like, is that true? You know, they were saying it was like spikes. Bro, they found, here's what they found. Okay. Now this is a lot, bro. That's one third. Okay. That's a lot as a big old chunk. No wonder the FDA is trying to regulate supplements. These supplements kind of is so stupid. They're going to bring it on themselves. Uh, here's what they found in some of them. One of them, they found a SARM, which like that's not even a, that's not even an approved drug. Yeah. Okay. A SARM. There were banned stimulants. There were amphetamine like drugs, ADHD medications and cardiac drugs. Wow. How? Yeah. Yeah. That's just, that just goes to show. Well, you know, well, this crazy, it's working. Well, I mean, that just goes to show you, they know the power of just a supplement that people feel. Yes. If you want you to feel something, you feel something from it. Have you guys seen the study? I don't know if I ever showed you guys this, whether the, you know, what, I don't know what you call them, the boner pills category, right? Like sex supplements or whatever. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They did a whole bunch of them. They tested a whole bunch of them. Yeah. And a, like a significant percentage of them had, uh, yeah. Yeah. Of course. Like Vagra, actually put the drug in there. Oh, yeah. It just works. Well, that's what they used to do with the old fake steroid stuff, right? They used to put like real, like testosterone and real stuff inside it that you make people, they used to do things that would. Well, they didn't have to back in the day. They were legal. Did you guys know, by the way, did you guys ever take Superdraw in the early 2000s? Do you guys remember that one? I don't know if I took Superdraw. Which one did you do? I took the one that, what was the one that, the one I did take was the one that Mark McGuire got in trouble for. Oh, Andrew Stanidale? Oh, that's your Stanidale. Yes. It's nothing. Actually, I tried that. And I did, and I did the, the, I did the trend one that ended up getting knocked off the counter also. So I've done, I did a few of the designers. So I remember in the early 2000s, okay, Superdraw, design, what did they call it? Um, uh, pro hormone. Pro hormone. It's not a hormone, it's a pro hormone. It's before hormones. It turns into a hormone. So they kind of like sold it that way. It was called Superdraw. And I'll never forget, I took it and I was like, wow, like I, I got like no joke, I probably added 30 pounds to my bench press in like two weeks. Well, that's all the trend was. Do you know what's super? Do you know what, you know who uses Superdraw now? Power lifters and bodybuilders. They say it's stronger than Anadraw, which is one of those classic steroids. Yeah, dude. It's a, it's a real story. Well, I remember that. It's a designer story. That, that, that, I forgot the brand of that, that trend, the trend over the counter was, but I remember it was so strong that I took two bottles back to back and I had side effects. I started to get Gynom, Camascia from it. That sucks from a supplement. Yes. From a supplement. I was like, this is crazy. So, you know, I had something. Bro, Superdraw is now a black market steroid. I bought that at the store. At the supplement store, dude. I'm like, this is my favorite supplement. Well, yeah, bro, you're taking zero points, dude. Why does this work so well? That's crazy. That's the supplement industry for you, ladies and gentlemen. You've got to be very, very careful. Get into your own research. Okay. Here's some good news on supplements. And Doug's been using the supplement for a while. Natto kinase. Am I saying that right, Doug? Natto kinase. You got to say it in a Japanese way, don't you? Yeah, well, the natto part anyway. Okay. Natto kinase. You got to say it. Where did you get this? Well, I've heard about it for a long time. He's so undercover about everything. No, I share these things. I'm not this secretive. Come on. I'm probably so secretive about everything. You know, it's just hard to get a word in edgewise. That's the oldies, deep. I get out of here with that bullshit. We've been together for over 10 years. No, so. I can't get a word in edgewise. I forgot to tell you guys about that tax break you guys could have had. Yeah. Ah, come on. We met the girlies dating like three years after they were dating. Hey, I have a little secret. What can I say? He's like, what are you talking about? No, so anyway, I'd heard, first heard about natto kinase because of, you know, like supporting spike protein removal. Yes. Yes. Yes. So this was a big study, Doug. This is crazy. They took a thousand over a thousand people. Shot spike. Yes. Yeah. And COVID. Yeah. Yeah. Spike protein. So it's part of that protocol that one doctor said that you could use to get rid of spike proteins. Yes. But that's not what the study shows. So this is on arterial plaque and heart health. They had over a thousand people take natto kinase for a year. I hope I said that right. Yeah. I like yours. So this is what they, this dude, this is wild. Every person had an ultrasound at the start and another at 12 months. The people who were taking 10,800, I don't know what FU stands for per day. It's not what you think, Justin. I was going to say. It's a measurement. Doug looked that up for me. I'm surprised. I'm embarrassed. I don't know what that is. Here's what they found. At that dose, carotid artery plaque shrank up to 36%. Wow. 36%. Arterial wall thickness decreased by 21% on average. Look at the big numbers. 77% of the people showed measurable improvements in arterial wall thickness. 66% showed measurable reduction in plaque size. Improvement rates across all markers range from 66% to 95% of the majority of all 1000 feet. What rivals that sound? They saw total cholesterol went down, LDL went down, triglycerol went down, HDL went up. This is like... Do we even have a pharmaceutical drug that has... This is either as good or better. That's what I'm saying. What would compare to that? There's a lot of things you could take to help with... On the pharmaceutical side. Yes. But they all have side effects. There were no adverse effects recorded at all. Interesting. Yes. It's crazy. Now they co-administered it with vitamin K2 and low dose aspirin, but that's it. Fibrinolytic units. Fibrinolytic units. I don't know what that was. Measures the potency and enzymatic activity. So it breaks down fibrin, a protein involved in blood clotting. Dude, this is like... Something that everybody should kind of take. Why would you not take prophylaxis? For heart health, this is a remarkable supplement. It's really, really good. Of course, Doug doesn't shoot. And this is... This guy. I'm trying to live a little harder. After one of us has a heart attack, then he lets... You should have been taking that Nidoconase, whatever. After we did the... I'm going to tell you everything now. Everything. But isn't that remarkable? That's like a huge measurable effect on just like a cheap... Now we don't have any sort of partnership or sponsorship or anything to do with this. Who does the... Well, I mean, Cabral has... Oh, Cabral does. Yeah, Equalife. They have a version. Oh, they do. In fact, one of his emails was highlighting the fact that this, you know, can address plaque buildup. And I responded to it and then bought some. Yeah. I didn't tell you, I'm sorry. Well, I started taking it... Oh, you take it too. I just started taking it like... Dude, try it. I think so much. You got to listen to the show. I'm less... I got to slant. I'm good, bro. Yeah, yeah. It could take him an hour and a half just to get through all the stuff that he takes with you. So I don't even want to hear everything he's taking. I've been taking it for probably two months or three months or so. This was... I remember we did our full body scan. Yeah. But they did... But it didn't look at artery health, right? It looked for like pre-cancer stuff. And I still have yet to schedule. I'm actually going to go see a doctor soon because I want to schedule one of those ultrasounds where they look at your, you know, all your arteries to see if you have any... Any buildup. Just as a precaution. Actually, I have a family member who at my age had a heart attack not that long ago, which is kind of wild. Yeah. And I just found another friend of mine at my age had cardiac arrest. So I think we're getting to the age now. We start to hear these weird things. Yeah. So, you know, usually supplements I would take in the past were related to muscle building or performance. Now I'm more interested in kind of longevity stuff. Yeah. So for the past few months, I've been taking... Interesting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Wow. Yeah. Have you guys seen... I haven't watched SNL in a really long time, but there was like a clip and I was watching it. And it was interesting because so they were trying to kind of dig at RFK and like a lot of the health movement that he's making and kind of attacking Big Pharma and all that. And so there was this one sketch, which is, I mean, it was reasonably amusing, but it was like they're taking this guy through like the ER and like, quick, give me a steak. And they're like, give me a steak. And they're like, inject him with Methylene Blue. And, you know, and they're going through all these like things like we bring up is like, you know, like preventative like supplements. And they're just like throwing all that at him and like totally like putting a dig in at, you know, this space. And I'm sure it's like a dig at Joe Rogan and like, you know, all that kind of stuff. But it's it was interesting for me to see like that other side of the culture that's like still in the course, like we're not out here, like promoting for interventions like on the, you know, Western medicine is amazing for, you know, the same trauma. And like, yeah, it's like, it's silly and stupid. I know it's a joke, but it's just kind of funny because that puts it like that thought in, you know, other people that like have these preconceptions that like, oh, this is all bullshit, you know, it's like, doesn't even fit in that category. No, it's not the same. Yeah, I have a news article I'm going to read it just because not because it's because I think we should talk about the news article. But I just want to see if I can read it without you guys laughing. Oh, yeah. So it's possible. This is that this is a real this is a real news article. It's the most amusing title I've ever read my entire life. So this is a ABC News Chicago quadruple amputee cornhole champion. Facing murder charges in fatal shooting. It's not real. Yeah, it is, dude. Yeah, it is. Dean James is accused of fatally shooting the front seat passenger as a vehicle during an argument in La Plata, Maryland. So he's the quadruple amputee cornhole champion. We quadruple. He's got no arms or no legs. How did he shoot him? He's got like, I think he's got his shows pictures got arms like to his elbows. Okay. And, and, um, yeah, dude. And so he's a champion at cornhole and then he shot someone. Wow. He's in trial. Yeah. There's so I have so many questions. Is that real? Is that real? Yeah, look, look, look, look, look. I told you, bro. Oh, professional cornhole. This is real. Yeah. Wow. Wow. That's, that's like you like put a bunch of things. I had a lot of questions like, shake it up. Oh, there's what I got thrown cornhole. Yeah, dude. See what? I don't, I don't shoot someone though. Like there's, he doesn't. I probably become a professional cornhole. Oh, this is a mystery. Got is easier. Yeah. Maybe that's how the argument started. Yeah. The last match. Like, yeah, you can't, I can shoot. You know, you can't. What? Blam. Yeah. Let's stay. I know we're laughing. It's terrible. But yeah. I remember. Maryland. Maryland, Maryland, as you said. That's absurd. You have to be so careful with the AI stuff, dude. Now it's like multiple times I've sent things now where I'm like, man, I can't send anything anymore without. I like, it's so lame that I have to go do. It's so Fox news is real. Right. Yeah. Right. I do. That's what this, so this was the, the late, did you see the viral video of the lady acting like she was a dog in front of the grocery store? Oh, and the dog attacked her. Yes. You know, that was AI. I was the, I had to be. Okay. So that was fake. I knew it. Oh, but it went viral like crazy. And so many people come in and sharing it and thinking it was real. And then stuff just laughing because I could just imagine if that really. I'd be too. I mean, it looked really real that it was plausible. And so, I mean, but that's how it gets you. Right. It's like, it's something that's plausible like that. And then it, and it does a good job. It's like, man, there's so much of this is going to be going on where people, you're just, well, we, do you think, do you think you stop sending stuff to your buddies? Hmm. You know what's AI is doing? AI is detecting AI. I see that on X. So something will get posted and then someone will underneath it say, Hey, Grock, is this real? And then Grock will say, uh, there's a 87% chance or whatever this is AI. Yeah. So there needs to be that. I feel like, uh, within the next iterations of these like social media platforms, if they can have that as options, you can scan it first before you share it. Cause like people will just like, it is kind of cool though, how, uh, it organically, we kind of self-police it though. So like what you can check the comments. Oh yeah. You check the comments. So a lot of times you'll see, and that's my, my telltale to go do a little digging is if I see a hand, if I see more than one person going, oh, this is AI. Yeah. Like, oh, wow, maybe this is, and then I'll read. Dude, there's a picture that keep people. Yeah, we're in a weird spot with that. There's a series of photos that people keep saying are real, but I can't believe that they're real from the Epstein. Oh yeah. With Stephen Hawking. Dude, it's in a dress. Bro, it's Bill Clinton. Did you look it up to see if it was real or not? One of them. People are saying it's real. One of them said, yeah, they screened it through a lot of the AI detection. And it was passed. Yeah. And he's like, he's like, bro, bro, did you see him? Yes. So Stephen Hawking is like, you know, he's dressed like a little doll. There's other ones where the AI can see, this is what they do though. It's like information, then disinformation. Look at that, dude. Is that, is that real? That one is claimed as real, but there was another one recently where they had like Epstein, Bill Clinton. It's so disturbing. I don't know if it was Bill Gates or not, but they're all like, you know, hanging out with him like on the ground. Yeah. And you're like, it's so, I feel like they're going to add AI versions of like real pictures just to kind of convolute it all. Right, right. And throw you on the set. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So is that saying it's real, Doug? Did it say? I don't know. Oh, you had it. You had it. Well, I don't know what happened to it. Recent unseen. Uh-oh. Look at that. Disappeared. Yeah, they just disappeared off the set. You're racing it. I hate the internet. Recent unsealed documents from the Jeffrey Epstein investigation result in the release of various photographs, including authentic images of Bill Clinton and Stephen Hawking's as well as several AI generated fabrications. You see, so just adjusted. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Okay. So that one's real. They tried to discredit it by adding all this extra AI image. No, see, they're not the ones where he's dressed like a doll. The princess outfit they're saying is AI generated. Okay. Thank God. It's just weird. I mean, it's, but then again, that's the least disturbing out of anything that's come out with that. I wanted you to go down the rabbit hole. What we talked about when we walked through there today, the thing that I just never heard of until just recently, the neurological thing I was talking about, the affentasia. I think you might say that right now, Doug. Look it up, Doug. I think it's affentasia. Oh, you finally remember the term? Yeah, I think it's called, I think it's called affentasia. Affentasia or affent? Affent, like APH. Okay. Like APA, like there it is right there, APHA in. Oh, yeah, that sounded interesting. Is the inability to voluntarily create mental images in the mind's eye often described as a blank screen when attempting to visualize scenes, objects or faces. It's a form of neurodiversity which occurs in two to four percent of people. So, so two to four percent of people, if you tell them, hey, can you picture a car in your mind? Yeah, they can't. Well, and at all, at all, but there's actually a sliding scale. So that two to four percent is at all. But a lot of people are somewhere on the spectrum of that. Like, so it's like, and there's, I don't know if Doug looks up like the graph, but the graph looks like at all is what two to four percent. And then a lot of people will follow. Does that also mean that they can't, if you ask them to, a piece of paper to draw it out, like they would be able to draw it? They can draw it, but they can't see it in their mind. Yeah, they can. They can still, yeah, that's weird. Yeah, there's the scale right there. See, not at all. Then there's a two, then there's a three, then there's four. I was trying to figure out where I fell on that spectrum because I can see the red apple, but I can't see it to like the five where the, like the one example I see. I can picture it okay. Like really, like the five is like deep, like the shimmer off the apple. No, I'm probably in the middle. Yeah. The details. So it says the form of neurodiversity. So I'm, I'm, I have a neurodivergent mind, which, which has been labeled ADHD, but I don't think I really fit neatly in that category. Weird. Yeah. Thanks dude. You just offended. Well, your, your ability to recall words is really fascinating. That's why I was really curious to bring it up to you because I was shared with my buddy and I who were talking about this. I was like, Oh, I can't wait to bring this up to Sal because he, and I was explaining to him that, you know, the three of us can all read a study, the same exact study for the very first time together. And you asked me to recall it and I'll mess it up all over the place. Like I won't, I won't be able to recall it exactly. And, and I'll need to have read it five to 10 times. Messed it up four or five times repeating it. And then finally it becomes like, I can explain it where you can do that. And then almost verbatim. It's almost like I need a story behind it for it to capture for me. Right. Otherwise I'm like, I've got to connect it to some things. I got to apply it. I've got to teach it a few times. The details are lost. Yeah. Then now I'm starting to get where I feel you can look at a study, read it. And then 10 minutes later, you can. So I didn't know that was weird. My, my family, no, my family would say I was like that too. Oh, she can do that. Very photographic memory. Yeah. So people, when I was a kid, my family would call me like they'd say I was walking in psychopedia. I didn't know that was weird, but I, what I do know is weird is that I have such a terrible sense of direction that it's so frustrating. I can, I get so disoriented so easily. And I had a client once that worked in the, in that field. And I started explaining to her how bad my sense of direction was to the point where I was like, I said, you don't understand. I've driven to this place 500 times. I will have to use navigation every time. I won't know how to get there. And if I go and park in a, in a, in a parking lot and I walk in 10 feet, turn back around, come on, I'll forget. I won't know where I am or what's going on. Yeah. And she told me that that was a type of neurodivergent. Actually type of dyslexia, she said. Yeah. It just with. Well, no, I've seen it before. I've teased you before. We've, we've left our, our house that we've, we've owed for like eight, eight years. I don't know. Do I go left or right? No, you can go either way. Yeah. Yeah. Crazy kid. You don't know. This is your house. Yeah. You know that. I was looking for you a couple times. Really bad. So yeah, I know you. I'm bad too. I attribute mine though, because I, I used to think I had that skill really well when I was younger. Well, I'll tell you right now, I can't get home from here. You guys know that, right? You can't get home. No, I could probably. You're really concentrated. I could probably figure it out, but it would be a really long way because there's a few places I know where to go. Yeah. But the way that I always go home, I use navigation. If you told me right now, if like the power went out right now, that's like my biggest fear. Yeah. That we lose power. Yeah. I won't be able to go home to be with my family. I poor kids and wife will be like, ah, the power's out. And I'll be like, I mean, there's a, so when I go, when I go the back way, right now I'm driving the back way a lot. It's not that much different. It's maybe like 10 minutes back, like kind of country road where Doug is at. And I actually have, so I still put it on, but I try, I'm trying to train myself to not, to know all the back road kind of turns. And it is, it's like, it's like a muscle you have to train too, because I know I used to be really good at that, but I've become so dependent like you where I just put it in. So mine isn't, I didn't develop after navigation. We drove long enough without navigation. They don't exist. Yeah. We were kids. Yeah. I would get lost. So you were, you were, you recall that even for, okay. Yeah. See, I recall bragging about how good I was at, oh, one time I go somewhere, I got it. You know, like, I was actually terrified of getting, because I would get lost so often. I used to hate it. I used to hate it, hate it, hate it. If I miss a turn, oh God, here I go. I'm lost now. I'm stuck. I'd have to ask for direct figure things out. When navigation first came out, it was like, it was like a gift from God, man. It was like, oh God, think finally I can go places. Whereas before us totally, totally screwed. Couldn't get to the mall for my house. From where I grew up to go to the mall is one, two, three turns. Couldn't get there. Couldn't get there. It's crazy. That is funny. Anyway, I want to talk to you guys about the green juice. I had a message from someone who said it really helped with their anxiety. What? Yeah. So it's the Ashwagandha. Ashwagandha, yeah. Yeah, it's got to be Ashwagandha. They were saying that they had anxiety kind of on and off, kind of physical symptoms, anxiety, and they started using the green juice for health, because they heard us talk about organophysic green juice. And it went away and they started connecting the dots and said, oh my God, it's like one of the best things I've tried for feeling anxious. I want to know how organophys makes Ashwagandha taste good. Have you ever had straight Ashwagandha? Do you know what Ashwagandha means? I think Ashwagandha, maybe look this up. I think it means horse piss, if I'm not mistaken. Because it smells. It smells like that. Yeah, I think this Ashwagandha looked that up. Is that really what it means? Like horsetail or something like that. Horsetail sounds right. Yeah. Obviously you guys have had. So Doug, what does Ashwagandha mean? I don't know why you don't have to use Google anymore. Or it never. He Googles in a strange way. Neurodicted, virgin, Google. Like a boober. This would be no Google. Smell of horse. It's smell of horse. Oh, wow. This is what Doug will Google, Ashwagandha info. And then you have to like go through it. I was typing in the origin of the Ashwagandha name. But yeah, what does Ashwagandha mean is easier. Poor Doug. I know. Poor Doug. He's the whole history. I can't wait for this. Well, it's kind of unfair. And you wonder why I don't share anything. This is why he hoards all the secrets right here. He's resentful. Yeah, he's resentful. He takes the longevity supplements. Yeah, screw those guys. But it lives so much longer than those guys. I'm going to save all this money. Yeah, he'll save it. He'll get back at us when we need him. Yeah. Doug, can you hand me my? Why don't you Google it? Oh, really? Yeah. Why don't you Google it, Sal? What's wrong? Can't Google it right? Yeah, yeah, yeah. Why so mad, Doug? Well, you guys have to be Ivermectin. You are the Google master, though, everybody. You Google the fastest. But AI requires a whole different way of searching. Totally. It's a prompt different. Yeah. Yeah, you definitely have to prompt different with AI. I got to figure that out. I don't use AI the way you're supposed to. I just use it like a Google. Yeah, like Google. I know. It's actually better than Google, though. I like it. You really? Yeah. You prefer to? You prefer to? You prefer? Oh, you like it better than Google? Yeah. Oh, by far. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. I've trained myself to use that more because I still was like, you know, I would just use search engines for all that stuff. And it's like, stupid. Have you? Like, does this immediately give it to you? There's so many cool. We don't even use it. I mean, we're still getting better at it like that. Like, we have an example right now. Like, Katrina and I were talking to our car insurance company. And, you know, he's trying to convince us to, which is separate from my house. And you get like a better deal if you package the house with it and stuff like that. And Katrina's like, I don't want to do that because I'm so worried that we originally negotiated there. There's coverage that I need to go through the contract. I do that. I'm like, dude, plug it in, input it into AI, and have AI compare it for yourself. So you're going to read all of it. Like, literally just go like, give me the pros and cons of this one. Give me the pros and cons of this one. Compare the two of them. And like, the things that you can use it for, we still don't completely. You have to imagine it's like a really smart person. That's how you talk to it. So you'd be like, Hey, I'm going to be flying into this place at this time. I have to be at this appointment at this time. I'd like to find things to do that are going to be fun in between. I'm with my 16 year old daughter. She's into this kind of stuff. What do you recommend? Yeah. Boop, boop, boop, boop. It'll tell you. And then the layers that you can go for that. Because then it kicks off and you go like, Oh, we'll keep the budget between this price and this price. And the driving distance between, I mean, you can just keep going. Have you guys asked your AI yet? If it knows, if it knows who you are. No. Ask it, say, who am I? What do I do? And what are the things I'm into? Well, it stores anything you've ever done. Well, it'll tell you, it knows who you are. It'll say Adam Schaefer, host of Mind Pump. You have this, you have one child. It picks up. I haven't used it in the months and it just picks up like we never stopped talking. You should ask it because mind you, Hank, and I don't talk about any of my whatever. Yeah. It's like, Oh, you're so stuff. Well, I know that we were just, I was talking to my buddies this, how good the, the TV listening and phone listening stuff is. Oh man. I mean, it's on a note. It's so creepy. It's on another level now that, and it's, we were talking about this. My buddy's reading like the Snowden book and he was, he was talking about this while we were hanging out this last weekend. And he's like, he's like, he, that was part of Snowden was talking about that stuff a long, long time ago. Right. And so we've all kind of known it's been happening for a really long time, but the level of sophistication that it's at now is, is crazy. It'll be, there'll be something super obscure. Like that I've either never talked about or Katrina and I haven't had a, had a conversation at least in the years that we've known each other about. And we'll have a conversation about it and then like turn our TV on and it's like recommending a documentary related to it or so, and it's just like, dude, come on. Yeah. Like this is just random. Yeah. It's so like way in left field or, or pull up your computer screen and all of a sudden you're getting an advertisement for, but like, we're, he was using the example. He was like, dude, my wife and I were literally just talking about, oh, we didn't take the kids, their kids are getting older. We should take them camping. He goes 15 minutes later on my computer and I was just like, tense for sale. And this like all can't like turn it all this. It's like, jeez. It reminds me of this comedian, the standup comedian. I forget his name. He's, he's really funny, but he like one of his bits was just like right in the middle. He's just like, I want to buy a humongous dildo. You know, he just keeps like repeating it over and over and over. He's like, you're welcome. You're going to go home and have all these ads. Hey, you're welcome. Yeah. Did you know that the US government used a, which plant here? I think they used plant here to hit the first a thousand targets or something like that. How long here? Palantir. Sorry. In a round. So they used the AI to find targets. And like it was so accurate. They're now outfitting everything with AI to be able to find targets. Maybe go maybe look that up. You know, government using Palantir for targets in Iran. I'll just tell you what to do. I'll just do it, yeah, verbatim. Doug puts in Palantir information. Yeah. Doug's getting, taking shots, dude. Doug's catching strays today, dude. I feel like Iran right now. Wow. Wow. Too much, dude. Based on reports, uh, March, 2026, US military, you like utilizing artificial intelligence technology from Palantir. Specifically, it's Marvin smart system. Maven. Maven, sorry to identify and prioritize targets in Iran. This technology often referred to as AI driven kill chain. That's not like what that sounds. None of this sounds. Has been used to significantly speed up targeting. Good. So allowing the military to process vast amounts of intelligence data to strike hundreds of targets in a short time. Wow. Yeah. Cool. Not unsettling at all. No. Not at all. And by the way, we have something releasing on Sunday. Is it coming out Sunday? It's coming Sunday. Oh boy. Here we go. Mass PPO. Maybe one of the hottest programs yet. Push, pull legs. Any bets? Let's take a bet on where it lands. Let's take a bet on it. In the context of just. Yeah, yeah. Compared to recently. So compare it to launches. We've done so many programs. I think we all predicted it's going to do. It'll be a good one. Right. What do you think it will in comparison? We'll compare two. Top three. Top five. Top 10. It'll break top five. Top five, you say. God, what's top three muscle mommy? Yeah. 15. 15. Anabolic. Anabolic. Then it's an or aesthetic would be right there too. That would be in the top five. I'd say top five. Top five. People are asking for a PPL split forever. Yeah. And this is the first time that we've done a, a, a maps PPL for men and for women. So the program is a little different. So we programmed it differently for women based on what they're typically interested in, which is more lower body volume, more glute focus and shoulder and more shoulder focus than let's say. It'd be interesting to see if women bought more than men in which. Ooh, good. Right. Like I bet you that's going to be the case. We have a pretty split audience. It is split. So when I look at the analytics on buyers and maps programs, it's, it's pretty. You're going to let the girls beat you guys? That's what I'm saying. I'm calling you guys out right now. That's a really, it'll be really interesting to see if more men buy the women or vice versa, but it's the first time we've done that. So you'll get, you can buy one that's programmed for what men typically want to work on and one for what women typically want to work on. So probably the coolest thing that we're doing that is unique. We've only done it one other time is the coaching that's coming along with it. Right. So three days. Yeah. So yeah. So that's really helpful. So Cole is launching that with it. And I don't, so by the way, like it's within, I think three days. So after the launch, I believe Wednesday, it will be live right away. The coaching will be live with it. So as soon as, as soon as you pick up the program, it's free, it's part of it. You'll be able to join that. If you can't make the times, there'll be a recording and you'll be able to access it. But if you want to be live on there and ask questions, it's also the first time a program has come with specific dietary instruction. It's much more specific protein calories and it's all organized for gaining. So let's go. That's the dietary advice. You can, you can do the program on a couple of seasons, but there is a bulk, you know, type program in there. Element is an electrolyte powder. You can add it to your water. There's no sugar, no artificial sweeteners, but it tastes good. Here's the best part. 1000 milligrams of sodium per serving. You need that. If you need electrolytes, you need the sodium. This is good for muscle cramps, energy, better pumps in the gym, better performance in the hot sun. And of course it tastes delicious. By the way, they also have 12 ounce sparkling cans that come ready to go with the element already inside. Go check them out. Go to drink element T.com forward slash mine pump on that link. You'll get a free sample pack of their most popular drink mixed flavors with any purchase. Back to the show. A first question is from Lindsay D. 2015. I am training to be a spin instructor and currently made it through my first round of auditions. I'm hoping to coach twice a week, but I'm currently cycling three times a week and running anabolic and I'm struggling with recovery. I'm 29 years old, mom of two. I've been weight training five days a week for eight years. What are some tips on structuring my week so I can do it all? You can't. Yeah, you need to reduce that. You can't do it all. Cycler. So, so spin is very intense, very intense. Lots of stress on the body. Maps anabolic, even if you do the two week, a two day a week version, you're now competing strong endurance signal from spin, which spin is intense. So I could just a leisurely bike ride with maps and it's not going to work. It's just not going to work. You might be able to get away with maps 15 or one day a week of maps anabolic. And then feed your body and feed and no more stuff. That's it. Three days a week of spin, one day a week of strength training or three days a week of spend math 15 and make sure you hit your protein targets or less spin and more anabolic. That's it. Yeah, but she's trying to be a spin instructor. So I'm sure that's not, that's not going to happen. So this is, I mean, for this person who's going to be a spin instructor, your strength training routine is going to be one day a week or maybe maps 15. Right. I mean, that's most likely if you're going to be doing three or more days of teaching spin and doing spin, you only really need one day of strength training or one day broken up over the hardest. The people that I had working in my gym that had the toughest time building muscle or my spin instructors, they all had it. And why? Because it would teach so many classes. Yeah. Three, four classes a week, five, five, that volume. And if you've ever done a spin class, it's like, it's all hype, motivation, intensity. That's, that's what they're all about. It's, it's like go push, whatever. Yep. And combining that with a bunch of strength training is not going to work. Yep. Next question is from Midwest sweetheart. Do I have a higher caloric need as a full time mom of a two year old or is stress just sabotaging my goals? So if you're not getting your goals and your question is, I'm not hitting my goals. Is it because I need to eat more? Is it because you need to do less? I would need more information. I should say I need more info to give you a good answer. I would need more information, but the fact that you're asking this question tells me that you probably do need to eat more and do a little less. So typically when I'm training or working with a full time mom who's coming to me and saying, man, I have a lot of stress. You know, what do I need to do? Your strength training routine would look like mass 15. And I'd make sure you hit your protein targets and then walk and no additional like crazy workout stuff. And you'll know it's working because you're getting stronger. I mean, I feel good. That I mean, that's the best advice based off of the information we got that we're getting right now. Because obviously, like if her goal was to lose weight, then maybe it's and she's not getting her goals, maybe it has nothing to do with eating more calories. But if you're having, if your goals are to build strength and build muscle and you're not, then it's most likely you need to be fed more or reduce the stress by like a maps 15 program versus something that's higher. Volume and intensity. So I think the way you said it is the best we can with what we got. Totally. Next question is from Justin JD 99. What is your advice on a blue collar maps program maps 15 works great, but I wonder if a powerlifting slash performance mix would be a better approach to help day to day construction life. Well, you're in luck. We have 15 minute versions of that. We have math 15 performance. If you know and math 15 power lift. Yeah. Maps grade eight would be another good option for you for people in a blue collar workers are very active. And so they rarely need more activity. But strength trains a good idea. Believe it or not, this is not that much different than answering the question regarding the spin instructor that thinks they need to do more like you're already a very active person doing physical labor. You don't need to send a super loud signal to build muscle. And if you push it too much, you're more likely to get trapped in that kind of recovery state that Sal always talks about versus actually adapting and growing and building muscle. And so a map 15 protocol is probably the protocol I would keep this person in and then cycle through the different programs and we have a powerlifting one and a performance one. Yeah. And you can even venture to try like the symmetry 15 only because a lot of times there's overuse. You know, within some of these trades where you're getting a lot of activities just on one side and kind of address that balance that out with symmetry would be a good idea. Next question is from big rig Jim gal. How do you stop the cycle of constantly starting and stopping if you're just bored with the workouts or one day of skipping cascades into weeks or months. Typically this is because you're doing too much too soon. And that's why you're stopping. Also, I want to just encourage people like, yeah, it's good to follow a structured program, especially if it's well programmed. But second place is just working out. So long as you're not doing things that are going to hurt you. So if you're like, I'm bored with today's workout, I'm looking at my today's workout and I'm bored. Okay, you can either not work out or just do something else. Yeah. Even if it's not ideal, you're doing something break it up. Yeah, think to yourself like what would I enjoy doing? I'm at the gym or I'm going to go to the gym today. I'm supposed to squat. I'm supposed to, you know, real money deadlift. I'm supposed to bench press and I'm bored of doing that. What should I do? Go in there and do something you enjoy rather than skipping. I like what you said first. But I think this tends to be the more common thing with someone who says a statement like this where you're kind of all you're all you're all you're all in or you're all out type of deal is what typically happens. Like you're motivated and so you're training five days a week type of deal and then you're not motivated. So you skip a day or miss the two days and then that two days turns into weeks and you're off the wagon again, you're on and off. And a lot of times that's just over committing yourself to too much too soon. So instead of being on or off and on looks like all these days working out. It's like you just become the person that you know what I'm going to always make sure I squat every week, at least one time, you know, for five sets or something like it to your point. It doesn't pick whatever you want because they're going to exercise that you enjoy doing and become the person that always just does that thing and then be consistent with that and then add another thing and then add another thing. I think we tend to do this like because we're motivated right now we do as much as we can and that's unrealistic for you to keep that momentum and consistency. And so build something that is something you can be very consistent and then build on that. I think it's a better strategy than the all or nothing. Totally. Look, if you like the show, come find us on Instagram. It's mine pump media. We'll see you there. Thank you for listening to mine pump. If your goal is to build and shape your body, dramatically improve your health and energy and maximize your overall performance. Check out our discounted RGB Super Bundle at minepumpmedia.com. The RGB Super Bundle includes Maps Anabolic, Maps Performance and Maps Aesthetic. Nine months of phased expert exercise programming designed by Sal Adam and Justin to systematically transform the way your body looks, feels and performs. With detailed workout blueprints and over 200 videos, the RGB Super Bundle is like having Sal Adam and Justin as your own personal trainers but at a fraction of the price. The RGB Super Bundle has a full 30 day money back guarantee and you can get it now plus other valuable free resources at minepumpmedia.com. 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