Roguelite RPGs with Sam Richardson

This is a headgum podcast. Matt Heather's running just a little late, which is fine. Our guest isn't even here. So I think we're doing roguelites today. Yes. Yeah. I'm excited because what I feel like one of our favorite genres, we don't get to talk that much about it. So with a guest too, it's going to be great. Yeah. And Heather, you know, has her own opinions about roguelites. So yeah, I think this is going to be a lot of fun. Sorry. Sorry. I'm late. I couldn't find parking and I hate being late. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. She just tripped over the table. Oh my God. Heather. Heather. Heather. Heather. Oh my God. She's dead. But we're doing roguelites today. It's a roguelite show. She's going to respawn. She's going to kind of do this whole thing over again. It's a roguelite podcast. She'll do another run. She'll be a little stronger. Right. She'll know where the table is. She'll come in and we'll be able to do the show. So we'll just wait for the run to restart. It should be any minute now. Yeah, probably just. She was in traffic. She was late anyway. So this is part of it. Part of it is that, yeah, part of it is her like not being late next time. And that also probably makes the restart take a little longer. That logic follows. Yeah, just wait. I mean, how does she even do that? Go through the table. Yeah. I don't know. It looked from where I'm sitting. Horrible. It looked so bad. It looked really like I'm honestly like traumatized. I'm glad that this run will reset. Momentarily. Momentarily. Any minute now. Will we stop having this conversation? Oh, do you think that's the issue? Do you think we need to like shut up for a second? I'm just like. Just chill. Total silence. Do you think it'll, do you think if I look at my phone, that's bad? I mean, we're doing a podcast. So yeah, you probably shouldn't be looking at my phone. God. That's bad. I'm just, let me hear, here's what I'm going to do. I'm going to exit the studio. Okay. I'm going to re-enter the way she did and I'm going to see how, what she did was even possible. Okay. I'll be right back. I'm going to restart. So while I'm doing that, no problem. And also we've learned that we can restart the run by me exiting the studio. Yes. That's helpful for the future. But I'm not allowed to look at my phone. Take out your phone while I'm doing this. I'm just saying. Take out your phone while I'm doing this. You're getting up. Heather's not here and dead. I can look at my phone for a second. We'll talk about this in one. Yes. You can look at your phone for one second. I'll be right back. Let's see. Hey guys. Sorry. I'm like, whoa. Oh my, oh, Nick. Nick. Oh my God. Oh. How? I'm like, I'm dead body and through the table and then also the couch a little bit. Your neck bent all the way. This is fine. This is okay. I'm just going to keep looking at my phone for a little bit. It's all going to reset, but I'm also just kind of like if I'm doing something, oh God. If I do, I have to go out there and see how this even happened because honestly, Heather doing it first, I was kind of like, look, that happens. Sure. Nick does it. I'm sort of like, what the heck is going on with this thing? Let me just get up and I'm just going to go ranch. Just keep it rolling. I'm just going to go and then come back in. Thank God. We endure an endless cycle of death and rebirth and distinguish between like and light as we discuss roguelite RPGs this week on Get Played. Welcome to Get Played, your one stop show for good games, bad games and every game in between. It's time to get played. I'm your host Heather Ann Campbell along with my fellow host Tiger Weigar. That's me, Nick Tiger Weigar along with our third host, Mr. Games himself, Matt Apodaca. Hello everyone. Hello everyone and welcome back to the premiere of Video Game Podcasts where this week we're digging in on Appstein. We read the files and we're going to tell you the truth. We figured it all out. We figured it all out. We're gaming it out. We're figuring out the deal. We're going to uncover the schemes and we're treating it just like an RPG. That's right. We're actually talking about roguelite RPGs. Oh no. Oh no. We'll figure it out either way, but we do have an esteemed guest joining the podcast. For the first time from the after party werewolves within and Detroiters, Sam Richardson. Hi Sam. Let's get into those files. I have thoughts, I have theories. I have drawings. You walked in with a big sketchbook. Oh yeah. It'd be the easiest murderboard to make also because all the documents are there. You could just be like, okay, here are the relationships between these people. It's all right there. We're done. Clues to those, I mean here, it's done. Then you have the wrinkle of people being like, I actually never even met this guy. You're like, oh I guess I'd like to believe you. It's worked so far. A strange email that you sent where you're like, I loved meeting you. But I didn't. Oh, then oh my god. It says here you said that Orgy was awesome. That wasn't me. Loved the torture video. I just loved it. I liked it. I mean no. Here's a pic of the two of us. I didn't need to attach that. For my special best friends only, Bihardi. Sam, you are a gamer, a capital G gamer. What do you like to play? I play a lot of stuff. I play, I've been a lot of Call of Duty, Verdance. Okay. And the Arkham games are some of my favorites. I play the Ghost of Yote. Oh, nice. Nice. We love a Yote. Yeah, I love it. You named an FPS first. Oh, yes. Is FPS your go-to genre? FPS is my go-to genre because it's easy to play online with friends. Oh, nice, okay. Because everybody can just jump in, you know, you get your load out and off you go. And like Warzone, I'm kind of off of regular multiplayer Call of Duty because it gets kind of a little frustrating. So like Warzone was like a little bit of, you know, four man tactical sort of play, like play style. That's really fun for me. May I ask something about your squad style? Yes. Okay, so I find that squads run from a spectrum of all serious, no jokes, ultra tactician to playing to win, but also tons of jokes to fuck arounds. Where in the spectrum is your go-to squad? Play to win tons of jokes. Nice. Play to, because like if you, like we're joking, we're joking, but I'm like quiet, hear footsteps. Everybody's support. Everybody.哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎哎 But I also want to laugh the entire time, unless it's like, the moment it's like, sniper, sniper, like then, there's no space for jokes. Exactly. Like you have to take care of the sniper. Why buy the good headphones? It's fucking hard scoping. Exactly. I agree entirely. Yeah. You know, it's fun, we're just hanging out, we're hanging out, we're hanging out, but then at a moment's notice we need to be elite. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So are you mostly multiplayer gaming or does it just depends? It's situational. It's situational. Yeah. But you know, I do love multiplayer gaming and it's about trying to find games that we can all play. That's another issue that we kind of run into is like, you know, a lot of fun multiplayer games are for player, you know, and so then if the fifth guy pops on, then it's about like, all right, who has to bow out or kind of like do we even like, or you're in four than the fifth guy jumps on the comms, your PlayStation goes has joined the, has joined the group and you're like, okay, hey, yeah, no, we just, we just started this one. So and like same with like Grand Theft Auto, you know, your four man heists or yeah, right now a game I've been playing like insanely a lot is Ninja Turtles, Splintered Fate. Oh, yes. Which is like, I've been playing that game nonstop. Yeah, that's a, like a Hades like Ninja Turtles game. Really awesome. Yeah, it's a game I'm obsessed with right now. But then you know, you get your four man squad and then it's a fifth and which I'm like, this one you could add Casey Jones and Metalhead, which are playable characters now, but you know, it's four. It's four. Right. So is your squad, you're like, first off, do you have a go to squad? Secondly, are those people, people that you knew previous to gaming and then you were like, let's squat up in Call of Duty slash Ninja Turtles or is your go to squad people that you have over time accumulated online exclusively? So it's like, it's like a mix of a lot of them. So one of my, so, so, so my go to squad, we call ourselves the Daisy boys because that's our nice. It's our group. I love it when a squad has a name. We have a name with the Daisy boys, the daisies. So they're made up of friends of mine who are improvisers, but then there are some members who were friends with them who played online, which I met through gaming and there's some, in fact, so all of us know each other in real life in some way. But so there's no, I don't have any gamer friends who are just exists on the internet and I've never seen them in person with the Daisy. So me and my friend Mike Anastasia, we did a commercial some years ago and like, I remember I was telling him, you know, it was like Thanksgiving and he was like, I'm going to Boston. I was like, well, take your place to take your Xbox, take your PlayStation. He's like, what? You can do that? I'm like, yeah, I travel with my games always. And he's like, oh, and so then we started playing together and my buddy Adam Peacock, who I've known like for 23 years, you know, 24 years, we play online. So then the all three of us started playing together. And then Mike's friend from the Boston improv scene, Brian O'Hara, they played together. So all of us now we play together and like really started to play together as a squad during the pandemic. We would play a lot of Grand Theft Auto. So we were doing heists, you know, we made our world in Los Santos where we couldn't go outside. We'd go outside there and I was building businesses. I was, you know, I was talking about just inching out every thing because, you know, I had my drug business. I had my weapons business, all these things and they introduced casinos. And I was a boss. But now we play and we play a lot of Call of Duty, regular Call of Duty at that time. We only got into Warzone and Verdance kind of in the past like year and a half or so, maybe two years at this point. But yeah, that's kind of where that came from. I want to circle back to Ninja Turtles thing for just a second. Please. It's a squad of you can have more than you can have more than four. Right? No, you can have. You can only have four. But there's other characters you can play. Yes. If DLC introduced two more. Why would you pick anybody but the four turtles? I know, I know. Imagine emitting one turtle for Casey Jones or any for anybody. They did the same thing in Fortnite. They had the four turtles, but then they also had April O'Neill and Casey Jones and I think Shredder and Crang, they eventually brought out Crang. And it was like, I guess you could make the turtles and then the four others? Yeah, right. Not even an identifiable faction. Yeah. Like they were all like foot clan or something. That would be one asset. Baxter Stockman could have made that like a nice, oh well. Yeah, it could have been like a Mauser suit or something like that. Who do you gravitate towards? Leonardo. Leonardo, Leonardo, Leonardo. Leonardo. Holy shit. Leonardo every time, since childhood I've been Leonardo. Wow. That's great. I feel like that's a rarity. I feel like a Leonardo main is a rarity. It's a rarity because people go on Raphael. Typically Raphael, people go on Michelangelo. Maybe more rare than those two Donatello, but people last are Leonardo. Man, Donatello is making coffee in the opening. He's my guy. Exactly. The nicest machine. Oh, that's a fact, Jack. I'm also a Donatello guy. I like that he does machines and I also like that he has a big stick. Like I like the bow and especially in the arcade games, they added reach of the bow was okay. That's right. Because you get reach. That's his benefit in like any sort of like Nintendo's game. He can reach stuff like in the first Nintendo's game, right? Yeah. You could do like the spinning attack and like the bow would go further than anybody else's thing. In this game, Leonardo, he has reach. So he's great for area of attack, but Michelangelo is great for multi attacks. So he can attack a lot of people and he can multi hit them. Raphael is like glass cannon, sort of, you know, rogue character. He in high damage out, but you know, high damage, but takes high damage. But Leonardo is balanced and he can cover distance very well. Not really. So, you know, I love it. I love it. They should just make. So it's like Haiti's like in terms of like it's isometric. They should just make a fucking straight up third person multiplayer turtles game. They mean, yeah, yeah, make money. Like an Arkham style turtles game would be so sick. It would be. Well, I hear that they are they've been talking about doing the last row. Yeah. And like, I think they're like, did they make like a big announcement at the state of play? I don't know. I didn't see. I know they didn't show anything from that, but I know that like it's been in the works for a long time. Also, they I know that they've been trying to adapt it as a movie for some time too. And that recently was like that's not happening. Seems like a no brainer adaptation also. It's like the story's done. It works. It's great. Just make it. Yep. Right. Just make it. And now and I could say, hey, all right, well, then I want to play with my friends, three friends and like in that sort of world, then do the first movie version. Yeah. You know, yeah. Well, that'd be a fun aesthetic to have. They actually look like the suits in the first movie. You know, exactly. Jim Henson's Creature Shop. What is some give a summary of the last droning for people who don't know what it is. You don't have to say I'd like just just in. It's like it's because I know it's a turtle in feudal Japan. Yes. No, no, no. It's the setup is the turtles are dead except one one. Okay. And you don't know who it is because even in like the images, he has all the images and all the weapons. Whereas like has some sort of weapons. Yeah. Like he took on the weapons of his brothers. So part of it is which one of the turtles is this and he's just trying to get revenge. And that's the whole that's it. Do you ever fight? Like don't don't spoil it, of course, but do you ever find out who that turtle is? Yeah. As you go through, you see them go down and it's upsetting. Yeah. Imagine Raphael being murdered. Jesus Christ. It does. So they started in comics and they're like more violent like in the comics, but their image generally is family friendly. So to know that any of them are dead is horrific. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. The inventor of the pizza cannon got headshot. Maybe like finding out that like Ronald McDonald was gunned down. Exactly. A hamburger did it. And we knew it. Starts with petty crime and then he is working your way up. We should have incarcerated him. Man with cheese is light on crime. It is funny that it's like a bunch of like friendly guys and a criminal. No, a group. A group. Exactly. Every, every, every friend group has that exact dynamic. Yeah. Every friend group has their hamburger. He's like he wears prison. 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See Mint Mobile for details. Sam, part of the reason you wanted to come on the podcast is you are a PC gamer and you like to build PCs. I do. I really love it. Just the modularity of making your own system. I built my first PC not super, super long ago, maybe like 15 years ago. But I just love it so much. And since then I've built maybe 10 computers. I've built them for friends. So the current one I'm trying to build right now, I'm trying to build a small form factor computer. So I've got the smallest possible footprint I can using a 5090, a Nvidia 5090 graphics card, a pounders edition. But the math of it to try and maximize space and keep good airflow is what's driving me nuts right now. I've been getting the parts for ages and now I'm in the build phase. But now that I'm home, I'm usually out of town so much. Now that I'm home, I can really do it. But really honing and focusing on that has been a bit of a challenge. What is your ideal... I mean, given that you have the limitations of the actual graphics card, what is your ideal form factor beyond that? So are you aiming for... Like, if you could, could you get it in a shoebox? Are you aiming for Xbox One style? Smaller. Smaller. Smaller than a shoebox. Altoids Mint. Altoids Mint is like maybe two Altoids Mint's box because of airflow. I have this... I got this... Oh, I'm trying to think of the name of the case. It's the Form D. Is it T1? I can't remember the exact name of the thing, but it's like the smallest one I could find. It's also very aesthetically pleasing. What I wanted to do was I wanted to sit on my desk and just be unassuming and not take up desk space with my PC. The last thing I built was a huge tower PC with RGB lighting. I couldn't go on the desk. I had to go under my desk. I had to put it on a cart. And then that became an issue because then I couldn't move my legs to the right because the computer is there. The idea was great about a tower case like that is I can open it up and go into it really easily. But I very rarely do that. So I want it to be... The challenge is to make it as small as I could possibly get it. That's the largest case, or that's the smallest case that could fit the 5090 in it. I get the appeal of that though because I also have a big hunker of a PC that I built. I was mindful of aesthetics. I got a Fractal Design North case which has a walnut wood front. It's really visually pleasing for me. But I have it... It has to go under the desk and I have a mount so it's mounted to the desk. But if I want to get in there, I got to take that sum bitch out. And that's a whole to do. I'm really attracted to beige computers. I've seen a lot of builds lately that are like dad PCs, is what they're called. And it'll be like a 90s beige case. But they've gutted it and they filled it with modern PC stuff. Those are gorgeous to me. I've seen some of those on Reddit and I love them. They're really cool. When you're building them, because obviously the end product is the reward. You get to use the PC and you're gaming on it and stuff. But as you're putting it together, are you like this rocks I'm having a blast? Yes, truly. I feel like Donatello to bring it back to me in the turtles. I'm doing machines. It really is fun. It's a puzzle. You can make it as simple as you want to. Just put my motherboard and then just slide your RAM in like this. Or you can... The hardest PC I built, well, this is the hardest one right now. But before that, the hardest was I did a full water loop. So I bent the piping, the plastic tubing to make the... And put everything on water blocks. And that was hard because I jumped right in the deep end with it. So I didn't do the pre-sized straight lines. I did loops and curls and all that. And it was great. I was very proud of it. And then it became also a piece of furniture because I also built it on an open case that could hang on the wall. Wow. Which was great. And it was like a blue liquid in it that was a little fluorescent. So it looked like a mad scientist's laboratory thing. So I really loved that. That's the water cooling I've never messed around with. That scares me because I'm always... I'm already clumsy enough where I'm worried about breaking something. And then you throw the possibility of spilling into the mix. Like, I don't want to ruin a $700 GPU. If it was blue, you'd probably try to drink it. I probably would try to drink it. Baja blast. I'm curious. Did you see the Diablo PC that is filled with liquid blood? Yes. No. I did. Yes. Of course Heather did. Well, part of the question about the PC is how much blood is it actually filled with? Because it's cooled with human blood. Horrifying question. But it's possible that it's just like several molecules worth of blood inside of a much larger cooling system. So that they are legally able to say it's cooled with human blood. Right. That loophole shit drives me crazy. Like, the restaurant equivalent is when they have like, it's a $500 martini, but then it has like a fucking diamond in it. It's like, well, okay, you're charging me for the diamond and saying it's part of the drink. You know, Garnesh, you drink with a jewel. I can't drink that actually. Yes, you actually can. You can drink the diamond? You can drink a diamond. You're not going to cut you up on the inside? What a question. I mean, if it's a sharp diamond, yeah, but otherwise, no, it just like go through you. Yeah, and you poop it out. I poop out the diamond. Yeah, you'd poop out a diamond. Nick, send me to the restaurant. I got $500 right now. I'm curious about that, that blood cooled PC. So like, because like also like iron and blood and stuff with that, like, I don't, I would be like corrosive to like. It also isn't blood hot. That's what I think of, right? I don't know that blood is naturally hot, right? It's naturally hot, right? But blood is heated in the body, but it's not like, like if a pool of blood's on the ground, you touch it, you're not going to hurt yourself. No, you're right. I'm not thinking again, I'm going to get burned by it or anything like that, but it's like, it's not for cooling. Not for your body cool. But I see what Heather's saying, because if you donate blood, then it's stored in cold storage. Yeah, it's like, so it can be cold and it can stay cool. But then you like, you don't want like, I mean, you don't want air in the loop anyway, but you don't want the blood to coagulate. No. Either in that loop. Oh, your computer has a scab now? You know. Jesus Christ. Scabtron 3000. Sucks. Now, what's it termed solid becomes human? What am I? Why did you make me? Scabtron's crossing a picket line. Oh no. We accidentally built the perfect worker for our companies. It's like the idea that if you answered the question, why did you build me, you'd tell it and it would be like, what? Why? I tell you, wouldn't I be satisfied with marketing? Here's a question I want to ask you as someone who's built more PCs than me over the past 15 years. Do you have any tools in particular that are useful? I mean, I have a headlamp, but I mean, like, are you like, is there anything like, oh, I have this bendy screwdriver, this magnetized thing or whatever? I mean, yeah, I use like these Hoto tools, sort of like precision electric screwdrivers and like, you know, also the screwdrivers that like go one way and they don't. I use a headlamp, my building anti-static mat. I use one of those, I can never remember what it's called, but it's like the head magnifying glass. So it's like, it kind of comes down as like a, it looks like a, you know, Star Wars visor, but then I can like change the different magnification with like these little things. I got it at Hobby Lobby, I think, years ago, but it's so useful for like doing like little microscopic and like finding like little screws and like all that stuff. But yeah, those are like the tools I really use. Do you have a dream tool that you haven't purchased? For example, Evangelion came out with a line of tools and I've considered buying Evangelion tools. That's very awesome. I'm gonna say no, but now I'm like, I need some like specific tool, but I wonder like what I would want them, or like, or the best thing, like I kind of like wouldn't make them, you know? Yeah. I got recently into like 3D printing, like crazy. Oh. So now I'm like just 3D printing, sort of like just stuff and toys. Like not really, right now I'm still in the organizational printing phase, but the goal is to then customize everything. And also like the 3D printer also does like make like little PC parts that don't exist, but to like sort of bridge the gap in what is there and what isn't there. Like, you know, like even just specifically colored, like a strut for to hold up the graphics card. If it's like, you know, parallel or if it's horizontal, you know. So to answer your question, I would maybe, you know, like a thunder cat set of tools or something like that. Yeah, nice. I'm just like building stuff real quick because like you mentioned Evangelion, so this is making me think of this. Do you build anything else? Like do you like Gundams or anything like that? I never, you know, Gundam is like the one thing that I didn't get into. I kind of think you might love it. I know, the thing is I know I'd love it. My question for myself is where to start. Yes. You know, because I want to like, you know, you know, like do I jump in? Deep end. Current. Just jump, if you're building PCs and you have a head magnifying glass, jump in at the full deep end. Yep. Wonderful. And you won't be confused by the instructions. You will immediately be like, oh, these are my people. Yeah. Are you talking just building like Gunpla or are you, I mean, also like the Gundam anime? I'm talking about the anime as well. Oh, okay. Because I want to like know what I'm building. Yeah, I see. I see. This is what we did. We did this on our show. We watched 8th MS Team. Yeah. And then I, as soon as we finished that, built a figure from that and it was like the most satisfied I've ever been. It was, it was great. So if you watch, if you just pick one and then you buy a model from the show. There are like two or three standalone shows that are only like six to 10 episodes. Yeah. And those standalone independent shows also have kits. And so you could watch one and be like, okay, now I know my guys. And then you could build one of your guys. I mean, 8th MS Team is like what, six episodes and it's awesome. Yeah. And it's, yeah, it's completely. It's like Gundam and like MASH kind of. Yeah, it's like Gundam Vietnam. Like a small squad. And then the, the recent Netflix one that was. Requiem for Vengeance. Requiem for Vengeance is also a good like mini series. It's even saved on my thing, but I like to jump in. I'm like, I need to, I need the backstory in this. You don't, you just need to know that like the guys who look like bad guys are the bad guys. Yeah. Yeah. The guys who look like good guys are the good guys. The only place where that's questionable is Requiem for a Vengeance because it's on-purpose told from the other side. But everything else, it's always the good guys are piloting the white robot. Yeah. And the bad guys are piloting green robots. And that's it. At some point in the series, something traumatizing will happen. Yeah. Usually a child will be killed. Yeah. Usually. There's a, there's a clip in, in one of, that always makes the rounds on like social media. If you have like Gundam in your algorithm, which is just like, is this the most horrific death in anime? Yeah. And it's a bunch of people running across a town square while the Gundam are fighting like above the square against like the, the interlopers. And as they're fighting, the machine guns they're using are like throwing out bullet casings and there's a woman and her baby running across the, the, the town square. And they just get killed by a falling bullet casing. Oh my God. Like the, the mom gets crushed, the baby tumbles out of her arms and they're just like, get the baby, get the baby. And like she didn't die from like regular war. Yeah. She died from debris. Yeah. Oh no. You gotta watch it. I gotta watch this. Like that's not even, that's like collateral. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh. Yeah. We all need to see more horrible things happening right now. Yeah. We all need to see pretend horrible stuff. Here's, here's a question for you on building. Have you ever had anything catastrophic, catastrophic happen because I fried a motherboard once. This was like why the second PC I ever built when I was like 19 maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. He put it in a deep fryer. That's how you fried it. You're not supposed to do that. Lesson learned. But that was brutal because there was also a time when like I didn't have any money. So like, you know, like whatever, a motherboard then was probably like $100. But I was like, Jesus Christ, I'm out $100, $1,500 in today's money. Yeah. Yeah. That's, that really, that really sucks. I've, I've, uh, missed, uh, sat a, a, a CPU before the processing unit and like the bent the, the, uh, pins to the point where like I couldn't use it and that really fresh because I was a time when I didn't have money. So it was like, oh, and I was like, so I'm trying to remember what the computer was, which was like, but this is like, maybe this was at this point 10 years ago, but, uh, just because like, I also, I know, like I sat it down. I think I sat down pins thing and then I pushed it in the thing wrong and then I like collapsed the, oh man. Yeah. That was, that was like a really terrible one. Another catastrophic thing. Talking about that water cooling build, it wasn't, this wasn't a catastrophic failure, but the problem with a water cooled build, uh, that's unlike, that has like a lot of loops and then how I built it was that if a component goes haywire or you don't know if it does, you can't check everything because it's all in that loop. So I can't like isolate the graphics card and take it out because I have to then take it out of the loop and then I have to like find a way to put it in a loop separate from that. If I'm going to like do it in a, in like a test rig, I can't just like simply set it up. So I stopped doing water cooled builds and like that, that whole computer went to puts and I can still have some of the components, but they're on, uh, they're on water blocks. And so then I can't find the original casing for some of those things. So it's just they are waiting for another water cooled build, but I'm not going to ever do another one. You know, so yes. That stressed me out. Like I've never built a PC before, but it's something I'd like to do, but like I'll stay away from water. I think the idea I'm still stuck on the pull, pulling down the, the CP. Oh, just like, like the, it, I'm so sorry it happened. I got nervous putting this is like so easy to do, but like the putting a cartridge. Yeah. I was worried about getting it all slobbery by blowing into it, but when I like expanded the storage on my PS five and put an SSD in there, it's easy enough to do. But I was just like, if could I break this? Is it possible to break it? You can break it. You can break things. I mean, this is what you describe, which is, you know, setting the CPU is like one of the most stressful parts of any build. And I feel like they've made mechanical and design upgrades over the years where now it's like a little bit more straightforward, but there was a time when it's just like, Jesus Christ, I hope I'm doing this right. And you get like one shot at it basically. Yeah. I also watched like, like it's so simple because it's like literally a slot you have to unscrew and you, it's like, it fits perfectly in this slot, but I watched a YouTube video to make sure I was doing it right. It's like, just, you know, had some like Slovenian teenager explained to me how to do it. And like, they were like, it's gonna, it requires more force than you think. And that scared me. Yeah. Like you have to like jam it in actually, not just like place it in. No, really. Yeah. There are things, there's certain like, like seating certain cards and seating RAM sometimes like, oh, I really got to get, got to jam this bad boy. And like something, hearing that little bit of like a crunch, you know, while you're setting it in, you're like, ooh, I hope that's like what it's supposed to be. Yeah, it's horrible. Especially now with like all of the, like everything is becoming more expensive because of AI bullshit. Yep. Like, like you can't even set, like the hard drive that you set in your PlayStation is now significantly more expensive to purchase today. Yep. So like it's like the value of the thing. I'll sell it. It's so insane. Yeah. I didn't know that was happening with solid state hard drives. Sure is. Yes. So, the 4TB PlayStation, like the one that they sell for PlayStation is like 600 bucks right now. It's more than the PlayStation itself. Yeah. It's the same with the little like micro SD cards that are specific for Switch 2 also. Like they're just like, you can't get them. Yep. That's such a bummer, but I also saw a video of what Bender would look like in the real world and it was pretty cool. That's great. It was a good trade off. Yeah. I mean, you could almost even picture somebody biting his shiny metal ass. He's back, baby. The only... I wish Bender was real, not you said it. I don't want to see the video. If he was real, I think all of our lives would be just a little bit better. Somebody's making him for sure. Yeah. What if he was our friend? We'd love... He would not be our friend. I would love to be his best friend. No, he would be the hamburger of that group. Yeah. He honestly... He'd be like a senator from Louisiana. Jesus Christ. For me though, the single most stressful part of a build is post, is a power-on self-test I believe is the acronym. When you power it on for the first time, you're like, I hope this works. Like Han Solo hoping he goes into lightspeed, you know? Yes, definitely. And then when it doesn't, then like trying to work backwards from there, like what did I do wrong? Right. And it's not... Like when it has... When it never turned on in the first place, like the process of elimination to figure out what the either bum component or what you did wrong is, is like a whole other thing. But if it works, it's just like, I'm a genius. I made the computer. Yeah. Exactly. All of it. I did it. This is my child. Does it ever happen when like, not to be like a hack standup from the 90s, but like sometimes when I'm building a piece of Ikea furniture and there's like extra parts, I'm like, huh, this shouldn't be right. But does that ever happen in the middle of building like a PC? You're like, oh, that was supposed to go back in a little further back. Sometimes I feel like when you construct a case, you know, when the case just comes in like a little box and then you have like the extra screws and things, I'm like, was this supposed to be like an important like structural bracket that I just didn't put in here? Or like a PSU, the power brick, like extra cables? Or I'm like, did I use the right one? Yeah. I'm just like in my home, expecting my mom dresser to just fall apart one day. Like holding the drawer and all of it collapsed. It's like, today is going to be the day. No, you know what? Tomorrow. I'm building a Lego thing right now and it's nothing like building a PC because all the instructions are there. All the pieces are pre-organized for you. It's just sort of a meditative experience. It's a way to turn off your brain as opposed to like having to make choices. But stunningly in this Lego kit, there are not missing instructions like I'm missing the instruction booklet. In the instructions, there are missing pieces. And I was like, because I bought the kit when it dropped and I'm sure it's been patched, so to speak, since then. But there are legitimately pieces in the bags not listed in the instructions that are incorporated in the design that they're showing you to build. But normally it's as if you had a bag of screws in an IKEA dresser. And one of the steps is take out the screws. And the next step is put the knobs on the drawers. And you're like, wait, but what was I doing with the screws? Yes. You have to look at the dresser and be like, where did they put the screws? That's the missing instructions in this Lego kit. And I'm like, I've never, like Lego is so, it's so easy. It's like there's never any creativity in the actual building of these things. So to have missing instructions feels like an enormous oversight. If Sony was like, hey, we accidentally shipped playstations without controllers. You're right. Turn it on. You'd be like, what the fuck? You only have one thing to do with Lego. Get the parts, follow the instructions. There's nothing else. And it's specific because I need the instruction because it's like this piece is meant only for this. It's not like a block, a box of random Lego screws. God, do whatever the fuck you want. I'm making the boat. I was just sitting here thinking. So insane. I was sitting here thinking that Lego should have a collaboration with a PC company so you could, they have little cases for the extra parts and then the components and you place it in Lego, but then I'm thinking it would cost $20,000. Oh yeah, I knew the most expensive. Lego is so expensive. Yeah, right. There are people who are making, because they have a Game Boy Lego right now, and there are people who are fitting in actual Game Boy components into it and making it into a functional. Yeah, it's pretty cool. Can I ask what you're building right now? I'm building Titanic. Oh, cool. And I got it when it released and have it, whenever that was, have just been sitting with the fucking table sized box in my office for years and only recently was able to finally like crack it open because I have enough of a work breath to dig into it and I deeply misjudged the size. Because it's built, it's in three sections, right? Three boxes inside of the big box and you take out the first box and it's like, you know, the size of like several encyclopedias and you dump it out and you're like, I'm building the first third of the ship. Great, understood. So you build the first, what you believe to be third of the ship and you also have an instruction booklet like that's the largest instruction booklet I've built a Lego with. And so midway through the first instructions and midway through the thing, I'm like, God, there are an awful lot of bags and I've already built what I believe to be the first third of the ship and I'm flipping and I'm like, oh my God, this instruction booklet is just the first third and the first section is not the first third. Oh my God. The first section is half of the first third. Yeah. So you build the bow of the ship and then you start building the second section of the ship with the steam, whatever the fuck the steam thing is called. Yeah, those decks are... And then you snap that together and that's the first third and I was like, oh no, I don't have anywhere for this to go. Because when it was just this, I was like, that makes sense. First third, second third, like I put that on a shelf. Yeah. But it's going to be this. Like it's going to be this fucking big. Heather's arms are almost fully outstretched. She's like the size of... She's hugging us a coya. It's huge. It's fucking huge. Yeah. Like this is the first... I have a picture. I have a picture. It's so much larger than I thought it would be and I thought it was going to be big. But it's really... It's much... So that's my hand. Oh my God. That's my fucking hand. This is the... See this? So I built that and I was like, oh, it's the first third of the ship. And then the parts kept coming and I was like, oh no. Oh my... That's the first third. It is Titanic. It's so big. If the whole build was just that, it would still be a very big Lego. Yeah. It's... Like I didn't laugh, but I did in... I had my desk and went, oh no. You became like Walter White in the crawl phase. Because also realizing that the instruction booklet is not the whole ship. Yeah. Because like I was like halfway... I'm like halfway through the first... I'm like, oh, this is... I'm... There's a breeze. No, man. It's so fucking heavy. Clipping. How many hours have you put into it this far? I don't know. I don't keep track of the hours because I also... I'm not a sit down to build... It's like a hors d'oeuvre sort of experience for me. I'll do one bag and I'll do that section and then I'll let it go for a while. It's like just like a reset. So I have no idea how long it's taken. I will say that on the ship you also build all of the rooms inside of the ship. Which is a joy because like when you're building Gundam, you're building all the gears and all the shit inside. And then you put the armor on it and you're like, I know what's in there. I know what's in there. It's real. It's real. So to build all of the rooms here, I took a photo of the rooms, is a little bit insane. So you build all the boilers inside of the boiler room. You build all the way through the ship. You build every room. So this is a bed with the little door. The higher end ones have wooden floors. So the thing over here is like the pool room. Like that's like tile with the little pool. But you're building all of the rooms and the stairwell inside of the ship and then that just disappears when you snap it to get there. No buffet. Where's the buffet? You mentioned traveling with a console earlier. When you were going on the road, you're just like, I'm taking my PS5 with me? Yeah, I bring my PS5 with me. So now I travel with, depending on where, so I have like two sort of kits that I travel. Well, I have a bunch of kits that I travel with, but like if I'm going to shoot something, to film something, I will have a kit that's for my trailer. So I'll send that through production. So it has a PlayStation in it. It has two controllers. It has like a sound bar and it has an Apple TV. So like I just know that it's going to be there in my trailer. So like get there. I have a Pelican case, open it up, set it up, you know, close it down when I go. Pelican case, that makes me so fucking happy. I love it. I love it so much. I have another Pelican case for like my hotel or my apartment. It has the same thing in it and then plus a couple other things, you know. And then if it's like a shorter trip, I will make space in my luggage for my PlayStation or my, I'll kind of always travel with the PlayStation. Because even if I'm like bringing my Steam Deck to play online with friends, I have to, you know, right? Did the Pelican, was the Pelican case an item that you purchased that was pre-made or did you cut the foam? So I still had, so I have the pull foam versions, but I'm part of my 3D printing scheme is to then make molds and then mold foam to it. Perfectly for this thing. 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Wait, what? What's happening? What? What? I did it. We're just all so happy to see you. We're so happy to see you and I think I just said something. I'm just saying my phrase. No, okay. I'm just saying what is going, wait, what is happening? I think we're just happy to see you. I'm happy to see you guys. I didn't expect to see you. That's another co-host of comedy bang bang. I also know, I know that our friend Duke Nukem was on and that courtesy was not a statement. I know that our friend Duke Nukem was on and that courtesy was not extended to him. You courtesy. You know, you gotta go in guns blazing with your own self-worth in your hands. You gotta say, I want to do it. Yeah, I'll tell Duke. Yeah, you just pass it on to Duke Nukem. I could see you having a good dynamic with a Scott Ockerman signature stubborn straight man. It was nothing but generous. It was really good. That's great. It was equally tall as well. Yeah, you are. Yeah, you're both tall. Yeah, I die. Yeah. It's nice. Now I'm here to ask you a question I ask every week here on my second job. And that's, hey Matt, what are you playing? Thanks, Resident Evil 4 merchant. Okay. Here's the deal. I've been talking about how I've been playing Resident Evil 2, the remake. The only, the only Resident Evil game I've played ever is Resident Evil 4, original. God bless. And the remake. I know which you don't like that I've played the remake. I know you got it all. The merchant in the, in the fourth. Oh, that's right. It gives me opportunities to podcast. Every time. I've been seeing a lot of stuff on Tik Tok about Resident Evil in general because the new one is coming out pretty soon. And there are, there is a take that you're either a Resident Evil fan or a Resident Evil 4 fan. Oh. Because some people like kind of just like that one. And that's the only one I've played for a long time. And I'm really looking forward to Requiem. I'm a little worried I might be a Resident Evil 4 fan only. Not that I disliked 2. I had a great time with 2. Except for the parts where I was miserable because I was so scared, which was a lot of it. Because like it's, I talked about this difference a little bit. As in 4, Leon is more established and he's like a badass action, it's more of an action game, whereas 2 is more a survival horror. And he's like a cop on his first day, a cowardly little cop. And it's scary. So I started off with Leon, did that was easy enough. Then I had to play Claire Story. And Claire Story in the second run is like a little bit like a Rosencrantz and Guildenster and are dead. So like you're sort of like, here's what she was doing during Leon's story. And it's different to a point. But then you start retreading some of the same beats and solving puzzles you've already solved as Leon. And I was like, well, that doesn't make sense really. And that to me became a little less fun in the game. So I was like, I've already mixed this solution that is going to kill these plant things or whatever. I did this already. I don't want to do it again, but I ended up doing it again. And then you get to like the where it becomes divergent is when you get to instead of the Ada Wong section, you have the little girl section, which was the scariest part of the entire game where you're you're you're kidnapped in a scary orphanage. And the scary man is like, you know, he's he's got other things going on too. And he's got like a zombie in the tape on the room and stuff. It's awful. All of it is that part is really scary. And then you get to be Claire again. And the ending I thought was worth the ending like set piece was worth the retreads of the rest of it because I thought it was excellent. Still, I think for is supreme. That's an incredible game. Is that how much of that is the quality of level of four, which is very high. It's an all time game, but versus like what you were saying earlier, the action versus horror element, I think it is the action like the action is carrying. That's the main thing because it's like to feels a little bit slower to where like you can run around and stuff, but sometimes you don't want to because they have those liquors walking around and they'll they'll lick you up. But I like, you know, you can't roundhouse kick a grandma with La Plaga, right? But I did learn all about the T virus. I had not heard about the T virus before. The T virus was new and interesting to me actually. Yeah. Because, you know, it's La Plaga this La Plaga that now I got T virus on the brain. No, a lot of novel viruses courtesy the umbrella. Yeah. Yeah. Why are they doing that by the way? No. That's ultimately his whole thing. The evil scientist. It's that thing you're talking about with that Godzilla movie the other day. Oh yeah. Godzilla versus Bieletta. Yeah. Where that scientist is like this was a huge mistake. I should have never done this. His whole thing is the T virus is mine. I created this and then he fucking injects himself with it and he gets all fucked up and nasty. He has a big, big eyeball and his torso head split in half. He sucks. I can't get it. See? This is what I wanted. But it's really great and I am looking forward to Requiem because it is a two character game. You can play that game with a mirror. Oh, oh, oh, wait. I look like that. What? This will be forever? In Requiem, the new one that's coming out, you can play as Leon and another character. I can't remember what her name is but I'm excited for that back and forth. I hope it's more mixed in where maybe for a little bit you're Leon and then for a little bit you're the other character instead of playing an entire game's worth of one thing and then doing it again kind of. I hope it is more like The Last of Us 2 for example where there's a little bit of more back and forth and things like that. That's what I've been playing. Are you a horror game guy at all? I'm not really. It's because you're scary. Because you're scary. In fact, it's starting at Resident Evil when those dogs jump through the window that turned me off of horror games at all times. You'll be happy to know they've only gotten scarier. That's what I've heard and seen. I don't like games where I don't have like power, you know? Where like, I don't like, where it's like a dream. You know when you have like a nightmare? The difference between a nightmare and like a fucking empowering dream is like how powerful you are. Yeah. So if somebody's chasing me in a nightmare, like, oh, but if somebody's chasing me, but I'm in like a dream, I'm like, oh, guess what? I'm also got superpowers. Then I'm like, yeah, it's a cool fight dream. I used to have this recurring dream that I was in like a city. I mean, be much, much more friends and then Power Rangers putties start attacking and like a monster attacks. And they were like, oh my God. And all my friends were like, it's morphin' time. And they all transform and I reach for my morphine. It's not there. And I spend the rest of my time looking for my morphine in my dream. So I'm in like, I'm in Home Depot going through like shelves and drawers. Specifically, I'm like looking through like drawers, shelves or drawers of a, like, screws, like looking for my morphine. I remember, I get it occurred a lot. Wow. It like was, is a bummer. That is a scary dream, but also like a perfect sketch concept. Fuck, I lost it. I'm not gonna switch today, guys. I feel sick. I feel sick. Oh, my stomach. You guys got this. The map of the globe with reader repulsor just taking over Eurasia. Sam, what are you playing? I play a few things right now. I'm playing Ninja Turtles, Splintered Fate. I'm playing Call of Duty. I'm playing No Man's Sky. Oh, I love that game. I've I've a little bit plateaued on it for right now, because I've been spending so much time. I always get this confused. No Man's Sky is the procedurally generated planet game. Or is it the other one? Yes. OK, great. Because the other one being like Star Citizen. And so I play I haven't played Star Citizen in a minute, but I do play Star Citizen and Elite Dangerous. But right now I only recently gotten into No Man's Sky because like it just keeps on like advancing so much. And they're releasing this new game soon, quote unquote, hopefully soon called. Oh, my goodness. What's the. We can look it up. Yeah. Oh, I've been so excited for this game. But it's like it's like on a planet. So it's the same sort of mechanics and like the engine that's all placed on one. Oh, that's cool. On one planet. One man's guy. One man's land. All land sky. Is it light? No fire. Light no fire. It's called light no fire. So it's like a fantasy world or you fly dragon. So it's uses like a lot of the same. Cool. I'm so excited for it. Oh, that sounds good. And like, you know, there's been like little hints of announcements. So I've been really excited for that. But those are the things I'm I'm so I'm yeah, I'm playing a splintered fate, though, is what I've been playing. Ad nauseam. Where you know, just kind of you go through and every time you like a rogue light. Right. So like not rogue like the difference between rogue like and rogue light being like rogue like is where you only have one chance through and maybe die you die. Yeah. Right. But rogue light every time you go through you gain a power or you know, you can upgrade yourself each run. So this one is that with Ninja Turtles. And I just I'm I'm now I'm gaming the system and I'm just becoming so ultra powerful. And it's really satisfying. I got to try it. I would know I know I'd love it. It's great. I played it on I played it on phone first because it was on phone phone that it was steam. And I got I got it on my on my switch and I hop in there sometimes and it's it's great. It's a lot of fun. Yeah. Heather, what are you playing? Well, I've got a few updates. One is again, because I've had this nice work breath. It's I can't I feel so human. I've never felt human. It's so great. So what have I picked up? I picked up God of War, Ragnarok and I've been advancing through that again. Got a little Viking madness. I've been replaying Disco Elysium again. Not as a fascist. Very, very sex. I I also have been playing Dragon Quest Reimagined. Yes, still a beautiful, lovely experience. But as I do sometimes in this segment, I don't talk about a game, but rather a gaming adjacent experience. And one of the things I want to say here is a while ago, we had a guest on the show when I was in Amsterdam, Yost Favorte, and he we interviewed him about a game he was developing at the time, but they had not gotten their funding. They were going through the process. That game has just been released, and it's really neat to have seen that go from the Genesis to execution. It's called All Will Rise. It is a little bit Phoenix Wright, a little bit environmental like management, resource management, all that cool shit he talked about. So I did want to give a shout out because it's it's very rare on this show that we meet somebody who's like, I want to make a game, and then that game comes out. So that's really cool. The other thing is that this weekend I went to the retro computing festival of SoCal, and I had an absolute fuck it's the I'm sorry, the vintage computer festival SoCal. I had a fucking blast. It's a yearly experience where it is part museum, part exhibits, part show floor that you can buy things at. I brought some photos from my experience. It was all kinds of super old computers, both for sale and also for demo, tons of old software in boxes. This look at how beautiful. I mean, all of the equipment was also an extraordinary condition. This was a PC from the 90s that had a Genesis built into the mainframe. Uh, they had this is Mary, my wife playing Minecraft for the first time. Yeah. Being like, wait, this game is fucking incredible. And I was like, do you want to stay here? And she was like, yeah. And so I went to the rest of the show. And when I got back, she was on her phone and she's like, I'm seeing if you can download mine or not Minecraft, uh, mine sweeper, mine sweeper, not Minecraft. Yes. That's a completely different thing. I'm so sorry. Oh, Minecraft, mine sweeper, mine sweeper. And she's, she's, she's like deeply, every time I look at her now, she's on her phone playing mine sweeper. Wow. Look at this, this, uh, this suitcase laptop. I'll publish all these photos as the episode comes out, but I've saved them, uh, so that we can tie it, tie it in, uh, with the episode. There were lots of stories of people who had gone to Goodwill, found machines that were just thrown away, restored them, and were playing era specific, uh, gaming on them. That's, uh, which is really fantastic. This is an, an excellent, uh, Sony Trinitron, uh, um, monitor. So fucking beautiful. Um, there was a, uh, a bunch of also like retro gaming material, but this particular monitor is a Commodore monitor. And the, I've never seen one before and the colors were so fucking bright. What? You have no idea how specific of a memory this is for me because when my dad retired as Commodore 64, he hooked up the monitor to our NES. So our Nintendo ran on a Commodore 64 monitor. Wow. And it looked great. It was a really sharp display. It's beautiful. I had never seen one, uh, like functioning at like full brightness. And it was gorgeous. Just seeing that setup is so, it's so specific though. Yeah. Yeah. Um, right. Cause it didn't use the RF switch. You could use the, the AV inputs are much higher or much, much better quality. Um, this was a, uh, uh, an exhibit of a guy who had designed his own eight bit video game system, complete with cartridges and 3D printed all of the consoles. Um, was it soldier boy? It's not soldier boy. Um, there was an exhibit that was like the history of Macintosh's, uh, this fucking computer, which I don't even know what this is, but it looks like severance. Yeah. I was going to say, that's what they used to do with whatever that thing they're doing there. This is a mint condition Macintosh portable, which when I've seen these on eBay, they go for about $30,000. That was on the show floor. Um, and then this was a, uh, circa two year 2000, uh, public phone that AT&T made right as cell phones are becoming ubiquitous. And it had a full video screen built in so you could video talk to somebody on a public phone, but it didn't take off because everybody was getting cell phones at the same time. Oh, yeah. Which was extraordinary. This is the smallest computer I've ever seen. I don't even know what it is. It's the size of my hand. That AT&T video phone represents like a better future we could have had. Yeah. Yeah. Right. Um, but anyway, it was, uh, it was an extraordinary, uh, an extraordinary conference and then I saw a good dog. Um, and, uh, The dog was not a computer. We don't know that. Maybe a minute. Maybe a minute. While I was there, I picked up, um, uh, Macintosh SE for myself, which had been retrofitted with a Wi-Fi card, um, because they make, uh, Wi-Fi cards now for the original Macs. Um, and I'm having a little trouble right now getting it online because it is, you know, with any of these things, it's tricky. There's always finicky settings or something buried, some driver that wasn't properly copied over. So, uh, that's been my like two week mission to get this Macintosh online. Uh, in part because there are vintage computer browsers. If you can get your old computers online that are text based browsers like frogfind.com. Um, but what I did do is install final draft for online. On the Macintosh. And now I can write, and you can write scripts on the Macintosh SE with a big clunky keyboard, save them to disk. I have a disk to USB drive, slide the floppy into my normal fucking Mac, open them in regular final draft, save them to a modern format and then send them off to work. I'm about to faint. This is amazing. That's wild. And once I get it online, I'll just be able to send it. To just send it. Wow. Like I'll be on the same network and I'll just be able to literally drag and drop it over to the modern Mac. Oh, um, it's been a very, very pleasurable week for my hobbies and indulgences. Uh, that's what I've been playing, Nick. Um, I really hope you're about to talk about the thing that you showed us on, uh, on, on, on our text. I am going to talk about that, but I did want to give ranch or producer or shell Shannon opportunity to talk because I think I believe ranch, you're playing something new or we're playing something new. Um, I just finished inscription. That's what it is. You finished inscription. Yeah. I was so blown away by it. Wow. And I, I don't want to do any spoilers, but I was just shocked about what, how it played out and the journey. And like it was not the game that I thought it was. Can you, can you without going to spoiler country, can you generally describe what inscription is for people who haven't played it? Um, it's a spooky deck builder game. And then it becomes extremely meta. Yes. Right. Um, in a way that. Yeah. I had no idea. I dodged it was just a spooky deck building game and that was it. Would you recommend it to, uh, anyone, uh, like, to the get played crew? Like, do you think we should all play it? Cause I've, I've, no, I'd like our buddy, George Morris played it and was, and really liked it. I just, I, I, I know, I know it's maybe a game for me. It might even be in my steam library, but I never got around to it. I think it's a game for Nick. Okay. I think it's a game for you. It, it is fun to just go through just to see like what they do. Um, I don't think I would recommend it for a handheld or console. I think it has to be PC though. Right. Right. I played, I played it a little bit and, uh, it scared me. So. That's a no for me. You know, actually, I was thinking, uh, have you ever played the Alan Wake games? No, I never played it. Just so, so Alan, they, there is like an, or a horror element to it, but it's not the main thing. Alan Wake two in particular, which I played at Matt's urging is, I think you'd like it cause it's like, it's, if you can handle some, some horror stuff because it is so funny and so bizarre. Yeah. It's like very much like, like playing a Twin Peaks episode. That's fun. Yeah. That's fun. Nick, what are you playing? Heather, what I'm playing is half sword, which is an early access. This is a medieval physics based combat game with extreme violence. Uh, ranch said I should play inscription. Heather should play half sword. This is most Heather game imaginable. It's third person. So you move with the, the keyboard and then your mouse looking, uh, and then, uh, the, the way the keys are mapped, uh, he picks up things with your right hand and Q with your left hand. So you have to separate control of each hand. And then if you hold, uh, either mouse button, your mouse controls, whichever, whatever you're holding in that hand. So it's like kind of like a, and it's kind of intentionally clunky and like, kind of like playing, um, uh, a meme game, like surgeon simulator or like getting over it with a rage game, like getting over it with Bennett Foddy. It's just like kind of a, a cumbersome experience to even control, but that's part of the joy of it. And I also, I've seen videos of people who are like, like, have like mastered, you know, using a mouse movement to, uh, like really, really wield a broadsword or whatever. It is fun. It is frustrating. And that's part of the fun. And it's very funny. Just a few things that happened in the time I spent with the game. Uh, a guy came up to me with a bar stool and they picked up a floor standing candle stick and beat him to death. I went at a guy with an ax and chopped the shit out of him. And he was still alive in the ground in horrible pain and decapitated. I went in a training dummy with a butcher knife and I swung the butcher knife. It ricocheted back and hit me in the throat and killed me. And then another guy I was trying to kill with some kind of blacksmith tool and he just would not die. He was, he was on the ground and he was bloodied and he was begging. He was like, mercy, mercy. And I just couldn't put it, like I was not able to kill him. And I kept like, and like it was like, I was going for like a full minute. Like, it was like, will Ferrell and Austin Powers. Jesus Christ. And eventually it's like, I just, I gotta go. Moning to bleed out on the ground. It's, it's, it's got so many moments of joy like that. And it's, it's again, you just have to adapt to how it, how it, the unique way that it plays, there's a free mode or you can play progression mode, progression mode, you start to fight in arenas, starting out in sellers and you wager on yourself and then you try to win to upgrade your armor and weapons and so forth. You also get, and like I started nude with a, with a dagger and I went and fought a guy in the basement who had like a pitchfork and it killed me immediately. There's like Bushido blade where it's like, you're like, you can just, you know, if you get hit in the right way, you're just dead in one hit. It reminds me of that medieval game I played in VR that was like, you'd get dropped into an arena and you have to run over and grab a weapon off the wall and then like kill people with it. The one where I punched my concrete floor as hard as I could. I didn't have a weapon yet and the guy was running at me and so I just started punching him and then he got down on the ground. And so I just punched as hard as I could at his head and punched my own concrete floor. So if you lose in like one of the, the combat arenas, you, you survive to fight another day because it is, it's like you just got defeated in combat. But if you die out in the world, there's perma death. And how I died is I got an errand from the tavern keeper to escort a drunk patron home and I couldn't figure out how to get him to follow me. So I grabbed him with one of my hands and then he took out a knife and killed me. So then when you didn't want to do it, then when you die, you can get sent to the abyss, which is like an underworld afterlife with supernatural enemies and loot. I don't know if you can do that more than once or you can just do that once. And then after that, it's perma death, but that's also fun in its own way. It's not like a kingdom come deliverance where it's going for like ultra realism. It's like, it's a little bit more, a little bit goofier than that. But again, I'm flailing. I can barely control it, but it and it's it is like a rough and tumble early access game. The performance is pretty bad. Features are limited, but I'm really happy about it in its current state. And I'm excited to track its development because I think when it releases, it's going to be a lot of fun. I mean, it's fun now. I, Nick, can I come over to your house? Just stab some things with your computer. Don't open certain folders. All right, let's talk about rogue like RPGs. Sam, this was one of your pitches to talk about on the show. So like, I'll start off with this. Ranch was like, rogue like RPGs aren't those two different things. And I was like, here we go. I get to explain something. Is it my birthday? But it was like, I get. But I do get what you're saying because it is like kind of. A lot of roguelikes have RPG elements. But as far as like ones that are like strict RPGs, when I was trying to make the list of how many of what those were, like, you know, it's it's. I don't know. I mean, like, I'm thinking more of like a game like Hades as opposed to a game that is like, oh, this is like a turn based a turn based game. That's a rogue like, but those games also do exist. But what did you have in mind in particular? I actually was trying to say rogue light. So this is rogue like is very much is the RPG. But our rogue light is like Ninja Turtles or Hades or like Dave the Diver. Yes. Oh, good example. So yeah, you know, so those are so those are the games that I'm like familiar with. I don't play a lot of rogue like RPGs. Yeah. I don't I don't either. The way I interpreted it was it like because rogue like to me these days encompasses rogue light. It's like a kind of an umbrella term. But yeah, I totally get what you're saying. Like I don't I've played roguelikes in the past and I don't really get the appeal of just like I went through this whole run. I died. It's like hardcore modern Diablo. It's just like, oh, I put I put 20 hours in this and then died and I have nothing to show. That's just it. Yeah, that really sucks. Our our modes like horde mode in Halo when you have randomized number of enemies coming at you. Are those rogue lights? Hmm. What makes like the rogue light? And correct me if I'm wrong, but like really, it's just like the you play through and then like by the time you get to your death, you start to run again, you know, and it's like like a dungeon sort of like run you do again. And then like the next time you're facing the same obstacles or like similar ones, but then you just add whatever powers and upgrades. Yeah, to then continue. So it's just like a gauntlet type of game. So for like horde mode, is it like that? The truth is I don't remember if you kept upgrades from run to run. Yeah. So I can't say yes or no. But I was like, does that count as one? Because it's not always the same number of enemies in each wave. It's not always the same kind of enemies in each wave. This is a fortnight mode. Also, it'll be like, hey, survive as long as you can. And each wave of enemies is going to appear in five, four, three and you just go. But you don't keep your upgrades in between. Like when you die, it wipes. Yeah. So I don't know. Yeah, I would not know how to classify that. I have played it, but like I did see like a list that was arguing that like Tetris is like a rogue light or rogue light. And it's just like, I can kind of see what you're saying. I think you're being kind of cute. But I get what you're saying in the sense that like it resets and then you, you know, you take it from there. But and like and it's not like in with Elden Ring or that where, you know, you know that these things are in these specific locations are roving. Some of the dungeons sometimes are like generating. So like in Hades, you go into the room, you'll know kind of what creatures are going to be in there. And then, you know, you you'll beat the dungeon room and then you can pick an upgrade per room. As after each step, you pick an upgrade, then like sort of make a build of a of a character as you go. And then you're hoping to get to a save point after like completing a point where then you save all your stuff. So if you die, you don't lose all of your. You don't lose all the products. But on your way there, you're sort of like trying to upgrade yourself smartly and like, you know, either pick your, you know, extend your health bar or get, you know, a multi attack or, you know, a multi hit or a critical hit sort of combo, like whatever like your play style is, you can adapt that from done from room to room in the dungeon. Right. I think the procedurally generated element that you mentioned, that's a that's a good point. Like I kind of feel like that is that is inherent to me to me thinking of like a rogue like a rogue light. And it goes right all the way back to rogue the rogue like the 1980 computer game that had a procedurally generated dungeons with ASCII art. So like I. Yeah, you're you're right. I like if you're just because otherwise that's what differences is differentiates a rogue like from like a platformer, which is like, well, I'm going through every like, yes, if I die enough times, then I have to start my run over if you want to think of it that way. But it's the same levels every time. Right. I really look I have come to love rogue lights. It is it is one of my favorite genres. I will try out almost any of them. I and one I will mention right now that I've been playing is Mugenics, which does have turn based tactical combat. Yeah. And it has that game, I think, is is very much like a a rogue light RPG like I'm playing through it. And I'm like, like there's a role playing element where you've got like this life sim, you know, house management sort of aspect of it. And then there's also the so that you are role playing that. And then also like you're going through and you've got like basically an RPG party of cats with different attributes and different classes. And you are taking them in turn based combat until you you fail your run. And I I mean, it's a really just like impressive design and just just so comprehensive and has so much so much depth to it and so much to discover. But yeah, I mean, like like I think of that game. But then another game that you mentioned, Matt, which is a game that I play the shit out of. Yeah. Is Darkest Dungeon. Yeah, I started messing around with they're both one and two are both on sale. I jumped straight into two and I was not having like the most fun with it. And I don't know if it's because the aesthetic is yucky. Like like something like I've been saying this a lot specifically about Dragon Quest, which is not anything like what we're talking about. But like what's really working for me in Dragon Quest seven reimagined is that it's all bright colors and smiling faces and everything in Darkest Dungeon fucking sucks. Like there's the guy with like the that like beak mask like type. Oh, yeah, the plague doctor. Yeah, like this is. I would hate to live in. I just don't. It's like it just makes me feel bad to play. And like everybody is all just kind of like something about steampunks. Kind of gross to be too kind of. And there's these guys like these big buff guys in top hats. And it's like what is this? But like I it does seem like from a design standpoint, though, like a fun game, I was having fun doing runs. Like that stuff was good. But like aesthetically, I just wish it was something completely different instead. This is one where the sequel kind of polarized the fan base and a lot of people who were fans of one didn't didn't really respond to myself, included, but I really like one. I would I would just start with one go back and see if one was like four dollars. And I was like, I don't know why I went to. But it also it has that dingy grungy aesthetic, so like it and it's also kind of steampunky. So, you know, great. Oh, yeah, you have. I can't even think of a specific a big clock or some shit. There you go. There you go. But your gears. Mr. Gears. Mr. Gears. Marcus. Like a Phoenix. Wow. I like that. And something. It's something. It's not good. But it's something. What I liked about Darkest Engine is it's like a disposable heroes thing where, again, like Mugenics, you have a party of adventurers, but they reach a point where they are driven so mad by the abyss that the more efficient move is to just kick them off of your team, as opposed to like trying to heal them or try to take them to the sanitarium or whatever. And I just thematically, it's just like really interesting. It's like, oh, yeah, that's like what war does to a person. Yeah, it just wrecks them completely. I'll have to spend more time with it because like, yeah, that does sound like it's an Oregon trail like almost kind of to. Yeah, right. Like, well, you're you're you have dysentery. You're you're done. That's it. Heather, you know, this is a genre you don't really respond to. I mean, like you you finished Hades in the sense that you finished a full run of Hades and then you're like, all right, now what? Whereas like I think the people who are enthusiasts of this is like, is like, great, let me try to do it faster. Let me try a different build. Let me let me finish it 10 times in a row so I can roll credits, you know. But but for you, like, what is it to like, it just feels pointless. And what is it? I guess I. I just don't like whatever it is that's supposed to hook you doesn't hook me. And that's all it is. Like all these games are designed to be like dopamine stimulators, right? And for whatever reason, playing Kingdom Hearts, it gives me a dopamine response playing Fortnite, gives me a dopamine response disco dopamine. But for whatever reason, it never clicks for me that like it feels it feels like homework more than it feels like gaming. It feels like, oh, I have. Yeah, there is a chance that I could get through the dungeon on this run. But the truth is, it would be better for me to get as far as I can die. Get the upgrade, start over again, do that a few more times. It feels like reps instead of like, like. But you love that you do love the gym. You do love the gym. I do love the gym, but. Like when I'm boxing, there's a chance that I'm going to win. If that makes sense, like I'm going to like something's going to happen. Whereas it's kind of baked into a roguelike that, yeah, you could win earlier than you expect to. But the game design is is specifically like, hey, you got to do this a few times before. It feels like spinning my wheels a little. Like it is unlikely that my first run at a boss in Elden Ring that I'm going to nail it. But it has happened. You know, it's not like, oh, you're supposed to run at this boss. And then you're going to get a new sword. And then you'll you'll be able to take him on. Like it's just like, could you manage to do it feels different than often the structure of like, by the time you're in room five and the guys are like one shotting you and there's like 50 of them. It's like, well, yeah, I mean, there's a bullet hell version of this, where I could get through this room, but it's clearly designed to prevent me from doing so. And that feels that feels less like a dopamine hit. I get it. I can see that. But Sam, you do like love these games. Like what are your some of your favorites? I mean, I think those are the ones like the roguelike like like in Hades, you know, when I just started Hades 2. But like the the I mean, again, the main one I'm talking about so much is Ninja Turtles because it really is my obsession. I got but it's it's it is the sort of you can't you can if you are a savant, you could maybe get through on your first try if you have mastered the dodge. And if you have mastered, you know, this unlikely, but then I think it's it is like a sort of like resource management game in that like you're the resource being like your health bar, you know, like and how much DPS can you put out while, you know, maximizing or you're minimizing the damage you take. And then like also like it feels fun to or feels more rewarding to go back through with like a little bit stronger, like knowing that like now I've made up my percentage of like how much health gets dropped from defeating these enemies. Because now I know like by the time I get through there, I'll I'll have three quarters health as opposed to last time where I was was like at a quarter health and something to getting through that and then getting a step further, knowing that I'm getting to the like knowing the end of the run is exciting to me in that or so I know that like from point A to point C, I know where I'm going and the game isn't about like just getting there once or or getting to point C being the end. C is probably a terrible letter for that point Z. Getting to point Z, which isn't even necessarily point Z, but getting there and I'm going to lose to Shredder or whatever. But then get to the point where I get through and I beat Shredder every time, but now I'm trying to beat Shredder without losing a life. You know, I'm trying to get there and I'm trying to take the challenges that come up. And so then like I'm playing that with a challenge. So now I go through this one portal and you know, every going through this thing increases my rewards, but the damage that they all bad guys do is now increased by 15 percent and they have 15 percent more health. And like now knowing that I can get through there with this and after that last three runs, I've increased my health pool by 25 percent. So I'm like, yeah, that's that's the fun of it for me. Yeah, I totally get that because I again, for me, a part of it and as you're articulating, I'm realizing that, oh, yeah, I think part of it is like is like competing against myself. It's like it's like almost like this is like a speed run simulation or a challenge run simulation and the opponent is me and my previous best. And when I have, I get like get that build and like, you know, Hades and I'm just like, oh, man, I got these boons. I am just a killing machine. I feel unstoppable. It's so satisfying. And you go and like, like, like Hades is a cinch. Like you're just like, this is so great. Like I can't believe how much how this one worked out for me. It is a very satisfying feeling. And again, as you get to those heat runs and it's just like, oh, I'm up in the difficulty, I'm giving myself disadvantages and I'm still able to win. It just it feels it's really satisfying. It happens in Bellatro too, though. Oh, yeah, sure. When you get like when you have like a bunch when your jokers are all working in unison and you have like this like sort of like broken build and you're just like, well, nothing can stop it. To me, it's sort of an exercise to like figure out like how I can be stopped. Like you know that you can get so far doing this or that or whatever. But like, I don't know. I like to sort of like play these games and sort of like figure out like what the limitations are, right? And like it's like in Hades or something in Hades too, in particular, which I've been really, really loving. There's the tarot card system that are sort of more like permanent boons that you can sort of unlock and add, you know, things to your, you know, it sort of it changes your stats a little bit. So like, oh, you'll drop this many, you know, you get this much resource here, this that or whatever. But then you have the little crest, the little items that you can get. So you can have like a death defiant and then a second chance at it as well. And like those like unlocking those things to me is so exciting because then you can kind of go in and be like my watch was just I'm going to fucking get rid of this thing I swear to God. I honestly have been thinking about going to an analog watch after this. I might be done with the Apple watch. Matt, same, same. Love an analog watch. You got an analog watch. Just that right now. I was like, now it sounds like I'm going to I'm like, I think I'm going to get an analog watch. I want to strap it to my neck. But I like sort of figuring out how I can set myself up for success and then just kind of like see how far I can go. Because I think these games are also too like easy to pick up and put down. Because, you know, you can always tell yourself just one more run and then keep that going for however, as long as you want. Or you could be like just one run and just do a run and be like, all right, I'm done. I got I got that out. I'm going to go do what what else I'm doing. Yep. Like I can I can time out a run. I know I have 25 minutes and if I do my best, I can finish in 21 minutes. Yes. You know, if I'm doing poorly, if I'm trying out something new, that may take me an hour. Yeah, I tend to stick with certain weapons in some of these games. Because like in Hades in particular, they'll have like four or five different weapons or whatever. And some of them are better than others for certain like builds and things like that. But like I don't like how some of them move a lot. Yeah. So like in in Hades too, I'm just like rocking the dual scythe. Because I think they're fast and fun. And that's kind of how I like to play in the first one. I liked the fists a lot. That was to me like my favorite thing, especially the power that you could have that would like pull enemies in to you. I liked that a lot. But do you have like so you just started Hades too? I just downloaded it. Like literally just it's I love it so much. But I have not finished a run yet. I have not done it. And it's but I've done so much other stuff around because it's like it's it's I won't spoil anything, but it's like it feels like a much bigger game. But I haven't I have not completed a run yet. But I'm still I love it. I think it's fantastic. I think Mugenics is the same way. It's like you have to put a lot of hours in it to finish a run. And Mugenics also is like what you were saying earlier, Matt. It's like designed to kind of have that feeling of breaking the game. It's designed to like, oh, I have these this combination of skills. And that's going to make my party unstoppable. But yeah, did you have a favorite like in Hades? Did you have like a favorite weapon? Did you have a God yet a crush on? I mean, I really like the the bow and arrow. Like range fighting and like sort of like multi-arrow sort of like reigning death. And I mean, Aphrodite. Yeah, sure. You know, classic pick classic pick. In real life, Athena is my favorite deity. How about a sincere answer about your favorite deity? Yeah, let me tell you why. Athena born from the head of Zeus, fully clad in armor. Do you mess with vampire survivors or anything like that too? Does that qualify? Yeah, I think so. I mean, I don't know if we call it an RPG, but it certainly has RPG elements. And we're talking about their skill tree. Same thing with Deep Rock Galactic Survivor. Does this count Dynasty Warriors? Good question. I bet you I kind of I like it. I like the question and I like its inclusion. I think I think yeah. I'm only just now out of the out of the hat of my head. Not wearing a hat. Oh, see, only those who are in person know that. He's a liar. We got him. We got him. Oh crap. He's in the files. I'm in the files. Sam Richardson. Skim through them. You're in the files for lying about wearing a hat. My fear about the thought, not the name, I feel out of fear, is like my name Sam Richardson is a kind of common name. So that somebody like some weird Sam Richardson, yeah, who's like a lawyer in Duluth, but like a very powerful lawyer. Like you Google that name and then like I'm in the files. Yeah, but uh. Or horrific. But that didn't happen. Thank God. My name is quite unique. So I'm really glad it's not the. Yeah, I do scarier if you have a unique name. Your name's in the files, but it's like we got to get away from this. Yeah, I mean, there's there's that like genre Mousseau, which is I think what people would say is where a dynasty warriors like like is classified. But yeah, I don't know. I haven't played enough of those games to to know the gameplay loop really. I haven't played those in a long time either. But like sort of like that the upgrade as you go and like picking your things on a run, you know, but however, like those in those games rather, it is that you're trying to sort of complete a grander run. So you're going to fight this war instead of fighting that war. Then like you introduce to this character. So no, I will answer my own question and no, I don't think. Oh, dang. Do we think those games from TikTok ads are roguelikes where there's like a sort of sliding soldier and you got more guns or or do more damage or those can be those can be a roguelike, I think. Or like or like an ad where it's like a mama spilled milk in the kitchen and the husband is like, I'm going to kill myself. Yeah. It's like, what do you do? Yeah. Improve the roof. Yeah, that seems like more important. Has anyone actually made the game from the ads? I feel like there's a game collection on Steam that I've seen that's like those games are real now or something like it's like a collection. And like somebody made those games and put it in there. Sick of it. I do look fun. You're like, well, it looks pretty fun. Because the trick is the video is being played poorly. And you're like, I can do better than this. Yeah, I'll download this app and give all my data to some foreign government. They got it. They got it now. I'm logging with Google. I don't give a shit. Yeah, exactly. No, don't choose plus one. Choose times 10. So easy. Do you eat the shit or fuck the girl? I think fuck. Which one? Yeah, I think I'm going to. On this one, I'm going to choose not to eat the shit. You're going to eat the shit. The year it came out, I really liked Cold of the Lamb was another one. And that one, you had like a town building aspect to it. And then you were going on runs that were, you know, like kind of action RPG combat. But that one, I mean, like, again, just had kind of like a real personality to it. And yeah, I mean, just like you're making consequential decisions as you go forward in terms of what your upgrades are going to be like permanently, not just on an individual run. But yeah, I also, I think some people who are like really into the RPG, like hardcore element of this would like think of like Dwarf Fortress, a game I've tried to mess around with, but it's so inscrutable. Yeah, I haven't even played that one. I'm just curious about it. It's just crazy. It's got so much detail and it's like a passion project of like these two brothers who have been making it for like 20 years. And it has so many features and so many things that you can do. And it's like one of those games you can play for 100 hours, not scratch the surface. And but like if I started playing Dwarf Fortress, it would just be my identity. It would just be like, I'm just a Dwarf Fortress guy. Like, you know what I mean? I just, I can't do it to myself. I think it is your identity, even though you haven't played it. I want to circle back to David Diver for just a second. That's a game we've talked about in the show a little bit. It's really, really fun, but... Didn't we play it for the show? We did play it for the show. Talked about it with, did we talk about it with Gabriel? We did talk about it with Gabriel. We talked about it with Gabriel. I wish it was just managing the sushi restaurant. Because I could almost give a shit about anything else in the game. That was my favorite part. No, it is really fun. I loved doing that. I wish that was separate. Exactly. Sushi, sushi proprietor. Yeah. The game. Oh, you still get to be Dave. I like Dave. Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, wait, wait. You're sometimes you play that one aspect of a game. You're like, I like this better than the other, than the main thing. You know what I mean? Like, honestly, like, Code of the Lam, I kind of felt like, like, I like building the town. I'm like, the action RPG stuff is fine, but it's not the most exciting aspect of it. Or like the Yakuza bar management party. Oh my God. Oh, it's fucking great. Best mini game of all time. Really? Like, we're some of the games where, you know, you play poker in a room, like in Red Dead, we can go play poker and like it's fun poker. You know, I'm like, oh, that's right. I got to go rob the bank, but I really just want to play more hands of this. What's the Star Wars game where you play, where you're playing? Sabak. Sabak. Yeah, Sabak's awesome. Outlaws? Outlaws. Yeah. Which I only scratched the surface on Outlaws, but I did like playing the card game. The card game. I do wish, because like, I mean, I think Gwent is like a good example of a game like this from the Witcher, and I think that is now like a standalone game. There's a game in Final Fantasy VII Rebirth called Queen's Blood that is fucking awesome. And it is so good, and I wish it was its own game, because it, as much as I, I'm like the number one rebirth fan on the show, I would do anything for a standalone Queen's Blood game. I think it's perfect. It's so good. I really, I put a number of hours into Rebirth before I bounced off of it, just because it's like so, so huge, but I really would, like, Queen's Blood is so fun. It's such a cool card design. Imagine you had it on your phone. Yeah, that would be great. It'd be great to have on the phone. This would be a good episode, is games inside of games that we like. Oh yeah. Well, in Ghost of Yotay, there's that coin flicking one. Yeah. Oh, yeah. I can't remember what it's called, but it's harder than you think. It's that thing, you can lose a lot of money to that. Coin flipping game is good. In Shenmue, you can play Hang-On. You can go into an arcade and play Hang-On. Oh, you play Hang-On within the game. Yeah, within the game. That's been a routine within Yakuza as well. Yeah. I feel like there's so much stuff in Shenmue that you could do your real taxes in there. It's like, I'm the thumbs and the end. That's gonna be one of the things that's gonna be one of the features in GTA VI. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You're gonna be like, actually, you can hire an accountant in GTA VI. Upload your finances and just have him do your taxes. Yeah, there's a bunch of turbo tax representatives on standby at all times. You should have an option in Shenmue to play a path where you just get hired as a forklift operator. And then just play out that last year. Yeah. I've forklift-ed. So I did a movie where I had to operate an excavator. Okay. Awesome. And they were like, all right, we're gonna give you excavator training. And so I was like, okay, I'm playing like a construction worker. That's my thing. And then we could take it off into an adventure. So it was like, the start of the movie, I'm supposed to operate this excavator. So you're gonna have training. So then they said, we'll be training. It's another stunt guy, Shane, who's like, all right, this is your training. I was like, oh, you operate. I was like, okay. So they taught me a little bit ago. So you do like this. So we got an excavator and like kind of show me one time. We were in Budapest. So I got in the thing and it was like, this hand does this. This right hand does that. So I did it. And then I dug into the ground, maybe like two feet deep, hit cement. And then like a lift of the machine up and down. And I was like, oh, and they were like, all right, well, that's your training. And I'm like, oh, no, no, that can't be my training. So I'm like panicking. And I'm like, all right, well, I gotta look like I know how to do this thing. So I use my VR headset. I got it out there with me in my Quest 3. And so I'm looking for all these like excavator, like apps or whatever. And I'm like, all these are kind of it, but it's not real. So I'm like, okay, you know what I'm gonna do? I asked production to get me two gaming like joysticks. And I've got on farming simulator 25. And in that, there's an excavator. So I programmed it to be one to one. And then I learned how to operate an excavator in farming simulator. And then on the day we went to film the scenes, I got there and I'm here. It was like, what they were really expecting from me, it was like the up close thing. So I must be like this. And then they got an expert to like do the real thing. I was so good with this excavator that I, they sent out the guy home. I was like doing it. I was like lifting the dirt, pulling it here. Yeah. Put it like dropping it in front of the camera. Hell yeah. Just like right. That got so good with it. Did the days work for them? I really did. That's so satisfying. Because you hear about actors like, oh yeah, I learned how to fence. Or like I went to, you know, I went to Navy Seal boot camp. But it's like learning how to have a job. It's so great. You know the name, Blue Collar. And now I know how to operate an entire farm. Because I guess got so into that game, I was just like playing. I got like a steering wheel and like, you know, like just operate, like farm operating like peripherals. Wow. For the game. Wild. What were you, what were you doing with your farm? What were you harvesting? Soy gum. Okay. That and just wheat as well. Because I was going to, you need, you can scale how long the months take. You can do like a thing in a day. So I was like trying to do it, not directly accurate, but you know, I wasn't trying to like go through the thing in a week. So I wanted to do spinach, but I couldn't afford like the machinery for spinach just yet. So I was going to kind of do that. Haven't played that game in a minute, but I need to get back into it. But now I'm just reminding myself, I got to get back on my farm. I have the worst version of that story. Yeah. Which is that I was on a prank pilot for NBC called improv everywhere. And for improv everywhere, the bit that I was a part of, we were going to be in a real food court and break in a song in the food court with all regular people. And it would just seem like, oh, suddenly there's a musical. It was like a victimless prank was kind of the concept of the show. But in order to work at the food court, I had to be trained as a hot dog on a stick employee. And so I showed up at on set at like five in the morning, the regional manager of hot dog on a stick was there and they taught me how to do the job. And then they're like, okay, so you're just going to have to work at hot dog on a stick until we give you the signal to sing because we need to make sure enough people are in the food court that you have become invisible to them. You have an earwig in, you'll hear the starting tone of the song. There won't be any music playing, but we'll hear, we'll give you two beeps. That's the starting tone. Hit that note and start singing. And I worked for like three hours. Just in the fucking hot dog on a stick uniform, which was chosen in part because it's humiliating to wear. Like you look like a clown. And at no point was at some point during those three hours, I was like, is the prank me? Am I is the bit that they are going to train me to think that I'm going to sing? And really all I'm doing is working a day's work at hot dog on a stick. Heather, I used to watch this video all the time. Oh my God. I can't believe that was you. You know what I mean? The pilot didn't get picked up, but they put it on YouTube. Yeah, that's fucking me, dude. And that comes on the end of like three hours of work. Oh my God. And then, oh, and then they like everybody sees it, but they wanted to get two takes. And they were like, okay, so now we just have to wait for all of the people in the food court to leave and go about their lives. And then new people come in for dinner. So I worked all day for the rest of the day waiting for enough turnover that we could do the whole fucking thing again. It was crazy. That's ridiculous. That's amazing. I did not leave with forklift or excavator skills. I have like a dreamlike memory of living a different life where I worked at hot dog on a stick. You can pour me a green lemonade. Yeah. Were you using that big lemonade pump? Yeah. Oh, see. Wow. That's the whole fucking thing. You were frying up like pepper jack cheese. Yeah, I was doing the job. Did you have a favorite dog that you like, did you make yourself a corn dog or like? A question I was hoping would come up. I have one of my favorite hot dog to make. I was so anxious all day that nothing was good. Like, no, there was no joy. Yeah. Because also I was like, I don't want to fuck up this job because these are real people. You're getting their lunch. I think if you got the dog on the stick, you were probably doing all right. Why didn't they just have a real employee, like a few real employees there and then have you there just like work in the lemonade thing or something? Who the fuck knows? If I was there and I saw one person kind of not doing something, I'd be like something's wrong. Something's wrong. Something's right. Like, you gotta go deep. Like, you trained me. I used the fucking point of sale system in the cash register. I was like fucking ringing people up. Just a regular job. Good news, the prank went well. Bad news, you're arrested for fraud. Good news, prank went well. Bad news, it never aired. I'm Starstruck. Shall we do a segment? Let's do a segment. Let's do a segment. Segment. Oh yeah, I forgot about that. That's good. That's good. It's our video game themed Would You Rather. It's Would You Blathers, Rogue Light Edition. So I'll read some either or scenarios and we will each say which way we would lean and what our reasoning is. Okay. First up, Would You Blathers be trapped in a Pokemon dungeon like in Pokemon Mystery dungeon or be trapped in a Chocobo dungeon like in Final Fantasy Fables Chocobo's dungeon? If I'm trapped in a Pokemon dungeon, that could go one of two ways. Yeah. One, I could befriend a Pokemon and then my life is just immediately better. Two, they're like rats and they just like bite the shit out of me and kill me. I don't know how it works. It could be either war. It seems more likely that it would become their friend. I think so. I think you'd befriend a Diglit or something. Or a Zubat. Or oh man, that'd be great. I think the first thing I thought when you were like Pokemon dungeon or Chocobo dungeon is if I'm in the Pokemon dungeon, ghosts are real and I don't want to be there. Like there are fucking ghosts and the ghosts hate children and shit like that. Like I'm not like when we think Pokemon, we're thinking of the cute guys, but there's like sarcophagus Pokemon. I'm not. Yeah. I want to be with the fluffy bird that you can ride. I'm in Chocobo. There are too many omnipotent beings actually in Pokemon. That's very true. You too has like the consciousness of all mankind and shit. There's one of the fucking diddos in there. Yeah. And you just like come around a corner and it's you with bead eyes. That's very true. I wasn't even thinking that. I'm still gonna go Pokemon. Yeah, Chocobos are like I like I like Chocobos, but they're not really doing anything for me. Yeah, I'm hoping I get with like a Charizard. Or like a like a yeah, give me like well, I guess also like what is the dungeon? Like I said, what kind of dungeon is this? This is a great question. I have not played the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon. It's a mystery to me. I haven't either. All right, I'm gonna go with Pokemon because I'm hoping I get like a cute one. Yeah, and not a ghost. Yeah. And not like a soul stealing sort of ditto who then just become me with with eyes or like a Mewtwo who's like overly yeah, okay. That's my I think this is sound reasoning. I'm going Chocobo dungeon like Heather because I'm more a final fantasy person, the Pokemon person. I'd be more interested in living in a final fantasy world and also might meet Tifa on the table. You might meet Tifa. It depends on sort of what final fantasy you're in, but it is possible. You could roll the dice. It's at least a possibility. Yeah, it's not impossible. There's like a one out of 15 chance that it's on the table. It's not possible if you pick the Pokemon dungeon. That's true. It's not a no way. There's no way. Unless. Playing a homebrew version of Tifa. Showing ditto a picture of Tifa. There it is. There it is. Ranch Pokemon dungeon, Chocobo dungeon, you got a leaning. I want to ride a Chocobo Stoban. Yeah, you're on. Yeah. Yeah. They're also described as having a good smell in like multiple games. They smell good. Yeah. I mean, that's nice. It does look like they fucking stink. Yeah. They had to be specifically stated. These ones don't stink. Would you blathers pilot mechs to battle bug kaiju like an into the breach or captain a starship through a hostile galaxy like an FTL. So mech pilot or starship captain. Walking. And either way, the world is against you. They're against you? I guess so. You the player. Yeah. Yeah. I'd like just citizens are like, I don't like that you're doing that. I'll go first. My answer is obvious. I'd get the mech. I'd paint it red. I'd be ready to go. I think I yeah, I being in a mech seems awesome. Just like full stop. It sounds it looks cool. Obviously, it seems like the most dangerous thing you could do. I've seen it go. But I think if I got to pick how the mech looked even, that's pretty sick, actually. Yeah. I'm thinking I'm going with the mech. Absolutely. Wow. I'm going with the starship. I'm a crack pilot. I'm using dual controllers on this thing, you know, six points of direction. I think I can fight my way out of there. And I'm also not as familiar with mechs, you know. So I'd have a hard time. Yeah, I think I'd take starship as well. I mean, I've played both these games by the same developer subset games, both great games that I love that I put a lot of hours into. But the thing about being a captain is like, just let everyone else kind of do stuff for you. Yeah. Just kind of sit in that chair on the bridge and then. Probably got a cool hat. Probably. You might have a cool hat, cool uniform at least. You will call me captain. You will call me captain. Yeah. Yeah. Pretty sick, actually. Speaking of starships, you guys seen the footage of that Star Wars racing game? That looks fucking sick. It looks so fucking good, man. It really does. Ranchery takes starship captain or a mech against bug kaiju? I hate bugs, so I will go starship. All right. Well, you get to kill bugs with your big mech. But when did they get me? They could get you. They could get you. They could get you. That's the ultimate worst. Yeah. And think about this. This has a nice ring to it. Captain Ranch. Oh, yeah. That is nice. Oh, yeah. Captain Ranch. To me, Captain Ranch. All right, that's your new nickname. Yeah, Captain Ranch. I like it. Would you blathers fight through a dungeon armed with a deck of cards like in Sleigh the Spire or as a giant anthropomorphic dice like in Dicey Dungeons? Yes. I get too dizzy to be a dice, I think. I think I could do it. I think I got to. The dice has legs. Tumbling. Oh, the dice has legs? Is your... Ugh. But then... Mm. Ugh. It is kind of horrifying. What side are the legs on, though? What number? How do you roll if you've got legs? Yeah. Well, I think you can tuck the legs and roll, just like a human being can roll. I don't want to tuck my legs. Just like we can roll. Are you doing all the rolling? I can do a roll. I can do... You can do a summer... Or like a somersault. I'm just gonna have a picture of you naked in this free time just with tumbling. Do it. I'm going deck building. I don't want to think about legs on dice. I agree with this. And also, it seems like an unfair... If the dice have legs growing out of one side, that means they are uneven dice. Wow. Yeah, because I also get arms and eyes and facial features. I mean, let's see if I can get an image of this dice. It kind of feels like they got blood and lungs and stuff. Yeah, I don't want to... Yeah, I agree. The dice shouldn't exist. I agree. It's an abomination. Let's kill it. What's it called? It's called Dicey Dungeons. Dicey Dungeons. Just so I know to avoid. He's cute. I mean, with a name like that, it sounds like... Here's the guy for fun. He's got little legs. I take back everything I've said. He's cute. Yeah. He's cute. He's really cute. But like... So, Six is always going to be on top. That's the way his anatomy is. Yeah, he's loaded. Right. He's loaded. I'm going to be the dice guy. That is not the picture that I found. This is the picture I found. And that was a witch. Now, it's got like a big dick going into it. I'm going into it. I think it's some fan art. That's the acting that that one is. What the fuck is this? That's the one hole. Oh my god, no. It's a fucking... This is a dice game. What is this game? Why is there parameters? Rule 34 this. What are you doing? To be fair, Heather and Google Dicey Dungeon, fuck. And the Internet delivered. I think I got to go with the cards. Yeah, well, not to give them a picture. I can get some damage. Actually, yeah, come on. What's up, dice? Nice me up. I think there's something interesting about being in abomination. Just because I feel like there's like, oh wow, you're a big walking dice. What's going on with that guy? Yeah, you know what I mean? And also, I feel like I'd be more powerful as a dice guy as opposed to a guy who wields cards. But Ranch, what do you think? Well, I was going to say dice guy until I saw that fan art. No good. It's no good. Yeah, the dice is impure. Captain Ranch is out. All right, a couple more. Would you blathers be afflicted with a darkest dungeon quirk, fear of beasts or the quirk, fear of mankind? I already got that one. Yeah, I was like, oh, exactly. Nothing changes. I'd like to think that beasts, and I would get along, that I could sort of have a friendship with all beasts of any kind. So you're like a beast master. I could be like a beast master. So I think I'll take fear of mankind. Yeah, I'll take fear of mankind, very similar to being in a parking lot as a woman. Wow, yes, agreed. A black man with police. I would blather fear of mankind also, because I'm hoping these beasts scale up as we go. You know what I mean? Maybe you start with a squirrel, you end up with a powerful bear lion. Yeah, I'm going to be afraid of some little bird who cares. Yeah, don't worry about it. Yeah, I mean, the case for taking fear of mankind is strong. I am going to take fear of beasts, because even though that would maybe make me an enemy of all dogs and cats, which would be very limiting for my life, I just kind of feel like it would be so socially crippling to be even more afraid of people than I already am. So I kind of want to, my social anxiety is at a manageable level now. I can't make it debilitating. So I'm going to stick there and take the fear of beasts negative quirk. Ranch, what do you think? My whole retirement plan is to live on an island and... Careful. There's a woman who lives on an island in, I think, Canada, and then she has like 100 Saint Bernard's. That's amazing. That's what I want. Because you had, remind us how many dogs you grew up with in Thailand? 13. 13 dogs. Bond immediately. There's actually class in Darkest Dungeon, the Houndmaster. You're kind of a houndmaster. Oh, wow. The houndmaster Captain Rand. All right, finally, would you blathers, ride a train to hell like in Monster Train, or sit on a nuclear throne like in nuclear throne? That's tough. Wait, what? No, no, no. Train to hell or nuclear throne? What is a nuclear throne? I don't know. I'll answer this one. Yeah. I'd blather the nuclear throne. Because it goes two ways. Either I melt immediately, or I become the most powerful being who's absorbed these rays. Yeah, I mean like train to hell. It's like that can't, you already know it's going to be bad when you arrive. Yeah, yeah, I've heard not so good things about hell. Yeah, and you know the ride's not comfortable. No. Well, you're on the Monster Train. Yeah, that's true. Is the train a monster, or are all the passengers monster? My understanding is that they're the train, it's, I'm actually not sure. Okay, because I thought that there were monstrous elements of the train, but I'm not sure. Train got teeth. Yeah. Or is this like a monster truck, which is a very big train? Actually, that's not too bad. There was a monster truck rally not that long ago, and I got an alert that there were tickets available day of, and it was just too tough a sell for my wife. I was like, when we went to the monster truck rally tonight, she was like, we can't do that. We can see Grave Digger. I was, look, I'm working on it for next time. I think with it more heads up, she could be down. Yeah. Hey, I really wanted to go to that that one time. You kind of let me down. Yeah, yeah. Why don't you just stage that you're in your room and like have an eyedropper with a tear? Yeah. And have her walk in just be like. Yeah, nothing. Just thinking about the biggest tires I've ever seen. Just thinking about robot dinosaur. That is the kind of thing that would make a woman start a TikTok. I caught my husband crying about tires. Then he started to scribe a big mound of dirt. Three million views. Like what you doing? I'm trying to find an image of the titular monster train. And it appears that the monster train is more of just like a badass train to hell. Look, hey, if I'm going there anyway, my little role in style, baby. I'll be with you as well, because I just love trains. It feels like the ultimate train. I'm going to go out. Let me go out on the train. Yeah. Straight into the abyss. It's one way to do it. Brian, how about you? Train or throne? If I'm not on the train, I'll have to. Okay. You just mean Sam on the train on the throne and you guys are all trains. Wow. Two, two. Well, there you go. Hey, that's this week's get play. Wait, did you answer? Hey, I chose throne. That I thought you chose. I'm not going to fucking go to hell. Fuck you guys. What are you insane? You'll never convince me to go to hell. We're all there. Hell's just kind of sick. It won't work. I don't want to go to the Pokemon dungeon because ghosts would be real. I'm not going to hell. You don't want to shake hands with a red devil? No. They should have done it. You remember that liar kid who did that book, Heaven is for Real? They should have got another kid to do Hell is for Real. It's like I died and I went to hell and then I came back because I was a bad kid. It's the worst place ever. It sucks, but I was too bad for hell. There was that Bob and David sketched at the Mr. Show reboot that they did for Netflix where it's basically that premise. But the kids like, yeah, I went to heaven. That's this week's get play at our producer, Rachelle Chen Ranch Yard underscore underscore Sard. You streaming anything, Rachelle? I'm streaming Silent Hill F. Wow. How's it going? It's going really slowly. I feel like I've asked about this before. Is it going slow because you're finding it difficult or are you not having fun with it? I think it's because I'm streaming so infrequently, I play it on stream. I also find it difficult, which is also kind of making me not enjoy it as much. But I feel like if I were to play it more often, it would get easier. At this point, you feel like you owe it to your audience to see it through? Or have you thought about bouncing off of it and playing something else? Yeah, I feel like I'm a completionist, so I just kind of have to do it. I believe in you. You can do it. I think you can do it. I believe in the Houndmaster Captain Ranch. Music by Ben Prenti, BenPrentiMusic.com, art by DuckBrigadeDesign, DuckBrigade.com, MerchantKinchipGoods.com, and our Patreon get play DLC as a bonus episode every Wednesday. Matt, do you know what we're doing this week? We're, it's back to the super question block turbo deluxe edition where we answer all your questions about our little plumber friend, Mario. Wow, there you go. Mario questions over at patreon.com slash get played. Our guest today, Sam Richardson. Thank you so much for being here. Thanks for having me. What a delight. Yes, it's great. This was so much fun. I loved it. You very much. So fun. Please come back if you ever have the time. Is there anything you'd like to plug? Instagram is the Sam Richardson. Yeah, that's it. Such a funny, funny actor, funny guy. You're in a bunch of great things. Go check out Sam's stuff. It's all the best. Yeah, definitely for gamers out there, where wills within. You should definitely check it out. That's right. There you go. And Sam also regret to inform me that you got played. Damn it. That was a hate gum podcast. Hi, I am Mandy Moore. Sterling K. Brown. And I'm Chris Sullivan. And we host the podcast That Was Us Now on Head Gum. Each episode, we're going to go into a deep dive. From our show, This Is Us. That's right. We're going to go episode by episode. We're also going to pepper in episodes with different guest stars and writers and casting directors. Are we going to cry? Yes. A little bit. Are we going to laugh? A little bit. A lot. A whole lot. That's what I'm hoping, man. Listen to That Was Us on your favorite podcast app or watch full video episodes on YouTube or Spotify, new episodes every Tuesday.