Apple Vision Pro + Resident Evil Requiem First Impressions
108 min
•Mar 9, 20263 months agoSummary
The Get Played hosts demo the Apple Vision Pro spatial computing headset and discuss their experiences with Resident Evil Requiem, a critically acclaimed new entry in the franchise that blends first-person and third-person gameplay. The episode explores VR/AR gaming potential, immersive video experiences, and the future of spatial computing technology.
Insights
- Apple Vision Pro represents a shift from gaming-focused VR to spatial computing as a primary use case, with applications beyond entertainment including productivity and content consumption
- First-person horror experiences in VR create genuine psychological fear responses that third-person gaming cannot replicate, making genre-specific design critical
- The gesture-based interface paradigm matters significantly—intuitive spatial interaction design (Apple's approach) versus counterintuitive alternatives affects user adoption and comfort
- Current VR/AR adoption is limited by form factor (weight, comfort) and price point, but the trajectory toward regular glasses and contact lenses suggests eventual mainstream adoption
- Resident Evil Requiem's success demonstrates that merging multiple gameplay perspectives and mechanics can create emergent experiences that feel fresh within established franchises
Trends
Spatial computing and AR/VR shifting from gaming-first to productivity-first value propositionsHorror and immersive video as killer apps for spatial computing before dedicated gaming ecosystems matureGesture-based interfaces becoming standardized interaction model for spatial devicesForm factor evolution: headsets → glasses → contact lenses as the trajectory for mainstream adoptionRoguelike and roguelite mechanics continuing to dominate indie and mid-tier game design (Mugenics example)Cross-platform play and controller flexibility becoming expected features rather than noveltiesImmersive video experiences (sports, concerts, environments) as near-term revenue driver for spatial platformsNostalgia-driven game preservation and emulation becoming cultural conversation (arcade cabinets in VR)Asymmetric gameplay (first-person vs third-person perspectives) as design innovation in established franchisesAI-generated content and deepfakes creating new use cases and ethical concerns in entertainment
Topics
Apple Vision Pro hardware specifications and user experienceSpatial computing vs traditional VR gaming paradigmsFirst-person horror game design and psychological immersionHand gesture interface design and usabilityResident Evil Requiem gameplay mechanics and narrative structureRoguelike game design patterns and player retentionImmersive video technology for sports and entertainmentVR motion sickness and comfort considerationsForm factor evolution in wearable computingPass-through camera technology and mixed realityController vs gesture-based input preferencesGame preservation and digital rights managementCross-generational franchise design (RE4 vs RE Requiem)Metacritic user scoring and game quality metricsSpatial audio and surround sound in immersive experiences
Companies
Apple
Developed and released the Vision Pro spatial computing headset; primary hardware focus of episode demo and discussion
Capcom
Developer of Resident Evil Requiem, the main game discussed; praised as a generational title merging first and third-...
Meta
Manufactures Meta Quest 2 (formerly Oculus); compared to Apple Vision Pro in terms of VR capabilities and user experi...
Sony Interactive Entertainment
PlayStation 5 controller used with Vision Pro; PS5 remote play app enables gaming on spatial displays
Microsoft
Xbox controller mentioned as alternative to PlayStation controller; discussed in context of controller preferences
Devolver Digital
Publisher of Disco Elysium, discussed as one of hosts' favorite games for replayability and narrative depth
Kitfox Games
Developer of Mugenics, extensively discussed as game of the year contender with roguelike mechanics and jazz soundtrack
Santa Monica Studio
Developer of God of War Ragnarok, discussed regarding pacing and combat mechanics in narrative-driven games
Square Enix
Developer of Dragon Quest 7 Remake, mentioned as cozy game being played alongside other titles
Bandcamp
Music platform referenced in context of soundtrack appreciation for games like Mugenics
People
Heather Ann Campbell
Primary host demonstrating Apple Vision Pro and discussing gaming experiences; enthusiastic about spatial computing p...
Matt Gourley
Co-host providing detailed analysis of Resident Evil Requiem and gaming trends; passionate about game design mechanics
Tiger Weaver
Co-host participating in Vision Pro demo and game discussions; contributes perspective on VR comfort and usability
Nick Wiger
Co-host extensively discussing Mugenics gameplay and roguelike design; provides detailed mechanical analysis
Rachelle Chen
Producer participating in Dude Ranch segment and Vision Pro demo; streams Resident Evil Requiem on Twitch
Ben Prenti
Composer of Get Played podcast music; credited at episode end
Shohei Ohtani
MLB cover athlete for The Show 2022; discussed in Dude Ranch segment as most famous current baseball player
Ken Griffey Jr.
Had own baseball game franchise; discussed in Dude Ranch segment; subject of host's childhood school project
Barry Bonds
MLB Triple Play 2003 cover athlete; discussed in Dude Ranch baseball knowledge segment
Derek Jeter
MLB The Show 2023 cover athlete; discussed as celebrity athlete who transcended baseball
Quotes
"We might be sitting on a generational game here, guys. This is, I think in some ways, one of the best games I've ever played in this genre."
Matt Gourley•~1:15:00
"It is currently tied on Metacritic for the best games by user score of all time."
Matt Gourley•~1:20:00
"The moment they are regular glasses, I think that one, we will lose all of our televisions on our on our walls."
Heather Ann Campbell•~2:35:00
"I'm just so impressed by this game. I mean, it's certainly my game of the year so far."
Nick Wiger•~1:50:00
"The novelty wore off so quickly. I like I know I get what you're saying that that we're talking generations in the future."
Tiger Weaver•~2:30:00
Full Transcript
This is a headgum podcast. I'm hesitant to take a sip. I haven't had the zero sugar 7-up. It's pretty good. I like the Sprite better, but it's pretty good. You know what? That's not so bad. You know what's really hitting is the zero sugar 7-up Shirley Temple. That one's fucking money. But that's great. Yeah, it's good as hell. It's like, whoops, whoops. Whoops. Zero rupees are good. A&W is really good. And then Ben Stiller has his new sodas. I have to try these. He's got a Shirley Temple one. I like that he's got his hands in a lot of pies. I love that we're going to get more canned Shirley Temples. A very good beverage. I think maybe one of the best flavored profiles of all time. Shirley Temple. A Shirley Temple. All right. Everybody likes it. Nobody is like taking a sip and being like, what the fuck? What the fuck? Yuck. Yuck. You know what? I surely agree. I saw you chewing on something. I don't know if it's what you were thinking about, should I say this or is this even right? It was like, should I say this and is this even a thing people say? And then I just went for it. I got a new watch band because of all the watch talk. It's look. It's really sick. That's a great watch band. It is a great watch band. Is your wedding ring gold? Yeah. Okay. This is like Riz Maxing here because you got the gold and silver working together. Heather's tripped out. I don't get about anything. No, but I mean, like that's like, that's like, I don't give a shit about it. No, that's like very, I think it's very stylish to have both because a lot of people are dogmatic. You got one or the other. I wouldn't dare to have both gold and silver. Oh, well, because you're afraid of the gold member trying to come get you. Yeah. That's the whole issue because also he loves skin. I got a lot of it. Is this the show? I am rolling. Inventing lore that it's not part of it. Gold member doesn't go after you. I think for the intro for this week, we should just slowly fade in. Like I think they've just been talking this whole time. This is what we do before the show starts or somehow even dumber. Yeah, dumber. We turn it off for the show. Yeah. We experience 8K VR and spend a lot of money as we discuss the Apple Vision Pro plus Resident Evil Requiem impressions this week on Get Plain. Welcome to Get Plain, your one stop show for good games, bad games, and every game in between. It's time to get played. I'm your host Heather Ann Campbell along with my fellow host Tiger Weigher. That's me, Tiger Weigher along with our third host, Mr. Games Maddapadaka. Hello everyone. Hello everyone and welcome back to the premiere of Video Game Podcast where this week the boys have finally agreed to join me in the future of spatial computing. That's right. It's the Apple Vision Pro week on Get Plain. I'm excited because you're excited. I'm excited. I'm very excited because also I have a VR headset. I have an Oculus. Is it still called the Oculus, the Meta Oculus? I think they changed it to the Meta Quest 2. It's the Meta whatever the fuck it is. I got one of those. I got it at Costco. And it's fine. I barely use it. Yeah. But this is like an 8K display and you've been raving about the resolution. I have worn my Apple Vision Boy at least once a week since purchase. And this device came out February 2024 and I got it on launch. And I love it. It is too heavy. But otherwise it is great. Well, I will say about it, but we're going to get into it. We're going to get into it. Yep. We're going to get into it. It doesn't look big or heavy, but it's pretty. It's so pretty. It's so pretty. It's so pretty. It's like a horny cartoon wolf. It looks insane. Yeah. I mean, it's like you have, they look, we'll talk about it. We're going to get into it. We'll talk about it. But they clearly did a lot of like, hey, is it possible to make one of these that doesn't suck to look at? Right. Yes. Was one of their main concerns. Does it look normal to wear it? No. But did they try? Yeah, they did. They tried. They're getting closer and closer to, they're going to bridge the gap at some point between the like meta Ray bands and this and then we'll just have that. Yeah. I want the Geordie LeForge visor. I think that's the sweet spot. I want Cyclops. Cyclops is pretty cool. But I also want it to do Cyclops stuff. But then you're cursed with the, you know, you have to be wearing it or else you go, what are they called? What is it? What are they? Oh, we learned this, that the blasts are not just red blasts. They're portals to the punch dimension. Right. They're portals to the punch dimension. But what's the name for the blasts? Optic blasts. Optic blasts. Yeah. Your optic blasts will just go out of control. You think? No, we can't get into this. He also, I was told. You think when he busts it does it too? Okay. We can't get into this. It might do it. Talk about blowing someone's back out. To explode your partner. We're three minutes in. I mean, it's kind of like 30. Three. Oh, I was like, what? Not the only, would not be the only X men who is cursed with not being able to enjoy the physical comfort of another. Colossus probably has a hard time with it. Yeah, sure. I would imagine Nightcrawler has difficulties. Right. You know, might disappear. Mystique's got it down now. Mystique's got it down. Mystique can have a lot of fun with it. My wife could be Mystique. I don't know. What? Anybody's wife could be Mystique. Anybody's wife could be Mystique. Anyone's wife could be Mystique. We could all be Mystique. Anybody could be Mystique. And that's actually really scary. If you had to have a power that was either X men, My Hero Academia, or I don't know, like JJK, what would be your power of choice? Well, it seems at least, I'm not familiar with My Hero and less familiar with JJK as I am with X men. I will say at least with X men, theirs comes with persecution and that doesn't feel as good. Yeah, that's true. Once it kind of seems like it's like, Hey, this is cool. Yeah. If you like that. In X men, it's sort of like, we're going to kill you for that. That's true. That's true. But the trade off is you have, well, and this is bad, anamantium skeleton. That wasn't, he didn't want that. No, he didn't want that. He didn't want that. He had bones. Wolverine's power is not his skeleton. No, it's his healing factor and his bones. I think bones is kind of cooler. What you want bones? You want bones. I mean, he has bone claws. Right. But you want, that's your power you're choosing is bones. I think bones is cooler than anamantium. I think anamantium. Wait, you want, what are you saying, man? Yeah. What are you saying? I'm saying bones is cool. What is bones? Bones is cool? Are you picturing a skeleton? Are you saying that him having bone claws is cool? I think it's. Or do you think adamantium and skeleton? They didn't have to do that to them. They didn't have to do that to them. He could have just kept the bones. He didn't consent to that experiment. I see. Or did he? I don't think he did. I don't think. Did he consent? Maybe agree to it. There was part of it that I think he did and then he was like, hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, not all this. What the heck? And then he was like, I don't like that, bub. Yeah. Right. Wolverine's cool. Wolverine is cool. Sent you through JJK in there. Here's the thing, Gojo was OP. So that's kind of like, like that's the obvious choice, but he's just so, it kind of psychopsian really with the, you know, the occluded eyes. Yeah, he's just psychopsian. Gigi, the protagonist, you know, has got skoona. That's part of the curse is that his power is that he has this powerful demon inside of him, devil inside of him. And so I think I'd go with panda because he's a big panda. I think that's fun. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you eat leaves anyway. Among other things. Yeah. Sticks and. Nick, did you see that my sweatshirt is Kirkland signature? I absolutely did black on black, very, very stylish. Pretty cool. Where did you like how? Because I have one, but mine is gray with the black logo. The black on black is very sick. My wife got me this on eBay. Oh my God. A gift from my wife. Wow. Isn't that nice? The love of a wife. That's right. She knows I love brands. What the fuck? Kind of a. Heather, what's what's your answer? Hmm. Well, I definitely want want flight. So flight is like the primary and then after that, other powers are secondary to me. Do you want do you want magical flight or do you want like a biomechanical like sort of physically possible flight? I don't. I want wings. I don't want wings. I don't want Iron Man suit. I want flight like the way that rogue flies or like Magneto Storm or Magneto. I mean, Magneto is like repulsing. Yeah, but he's but but he is flying. Yeah, he's flying, but you can levitate. Yeah, I want flight. Okay. And then beyond that, I feel like anything is fine. Ranch, you gotta like, okay, you have your your list. Your the world is your oyster as far as picking a superpower. What do you think you go with? Think being invisible. Wow. Being invisible. Get the gossip. Yeah. Oh, perverts choice. The nosy pervert. I guess I'd want flight and invulnerability, but no strength or anything beyond that. Yeah, because I would be pretty sure that the moment I flew, somebody would open fire on me. Fuck, I didn't think about being super strong. So like just flying and like being invulnerable would be my my thing so that I could like go fly to any army base and like hover above it and just be like, stop. I guess I feel good that I'm not cursed with the I see something flying. I feel like I must do something about it. I just like that's none of my business. Yeah, no, yeah. I'm not I'm not getting involved. If I saw any person flying, if I saw you flying around, I might ask a question. I also want I want the standing fly possi like the way that Superman can stand. You want to be Jean Grey, basically. You want VTOL. Oh, Jean Grey. Yeah. She loses her mind and becomes insanely evil. Hmm. Yeah, she became Dark Phoenix. Name also kind of boring. Yeah. Jean Grey. Taking the last name literally, Gray. Meet them the newest mutant Ralph Jackson. Angel has wings. Angel doesn't. She doesn't want wings. But they all he's it's fucking nasty. I don't know. Yeah. I want flight and the ability to stand in the air. I just like hold on my hand and be like, be calm, mortal. Yeah, you want it. So you want you do want to be Magneto. You want to be hovering over the Golden Gate Bridge and telling everybody to conform or die. Right. I think I'm going to Magneto Spowers. OK, I'll take it. I'm going to be Magneto. I'm going to change my answer because I didn't think about being strong. Yeah. I do really love being strong. And so I know Colossus is the strongest, but I don't want to be Colossus. I think I'll go with a go with Beast. OK. Beast is cool. Beast is like cool. He's also smart. I like that. And he's kind of hot, which I like that too. Well, here's the thing. I was just about to say, no matter who you pick in the X-Men, you're going to be hot as hell. Every single one of them, regardless. Professor X is hot. Professor X is hot. They all have cum gutters. It's nuts. Like they're all so hot. They're the coolest characters. Oh, well, no, people, I feel like people don't like the X. I'm bringing this up every single chance I get. People don't like the X-Men as much as they like the Turtles. Turtles are still above X-Men, I think, in terms of likability. No, I think it's a fair take that the Turtles are the most beloved IP. The worst part about the Turtles is the thing never discussed in the comics or the show, which is that they have to stink. Yeah. They have to. Well, yeah, they stink. They stink. They live in the sewers. They have to smell so fucking bad that the only thing that should happen when the Turtles are above ground is people should be going, what is that stench? What the hell? Why is that stinky guy standing with me with a big stick? This is like your observation about how Sonic's eyes must smell. I think the. I think it's important that we think about the way that these things stink. I think I need a baseline for what an eyeball smells like. I have no idea. Yeah. I think an eyeball smells like it just if it's that large, it has to. It's got to have a smell. I look, I had pet turtles growing up. I don't find them to be unpleasant smelling. And I didn't find, I never found, I found like this reptilian smell is just kind of like, okay, that's what a reptiles would be. Was that what you were thinking as you swallowed them whole? Okay. But also you're talking about just the smell of a turtle. I'm talking about a turtle that lives in the sewer. Yeah. Okay, sure. You introduced the sewer element. It lives in the sewer. Yeah. It lives in the rain part of the sewer. It's still the sewer. I think they're, no, that's a good point. They're more deserving of land, above land dwelling. I don't think they should, I don't think they got to be down there. And they're taking their hygienic cures, cues from their master, a rat. Yes. The nastiest motherfucker possible. I don't want a rat inside. Anytime I see a rat, I'm pleased. I think it's funny. Oh my God. I like to see them. Like I would about. I do like to see them too. I see one running down the thing. I'm like, oh, look at them. It's kind of fun to see a rat or a mouse not in your own home. Yeah, I don't want anything to do with it in my home. I don't want, I don't want. I see a rat in a power line. I'm like, come on. What are you doing? I saw a mouse once and he was like just in a parking lot and then he jumped up to pull himself up a curb and he, like his legs were wiggled. Yeah. He used all his strength and I was like, that's really cute. They're really smart. Yeah. They're a little too smart. Yeah. Yeah. They want to try and take over the world. Well, they also, well. That's one of them. That's one of them. That's one of them. That's just one. The other one is kind of just doing whatever you want. That's true. He's all id. He is. Is that his problem? No. Oh. Did they say like, oh, we made a mouse that's all it is? I don't know if we were really diagnosed with what is wrong with Pinky. He's just not as motivated as Brain and this is all we know. Yeah. I don't know if it characterized as all id, but that's a discussion for a different episode. I like those guys a lot though too. We'll make it in DLC. Yeah. We're going to figure out what's wrong with Pinky. We're going to get to it behind the pale all so we don't get it in a rampset. Welcome to an hour where we deconstruct what's wrong with Pinky. I think we can also, just a DLC format because you talked about the Ninja Turtles being the most, like not the most popular IP, but the most widely accepted IP. Like no one has a problem with the Ninja Turtles. No one's a Turtles hater. I think if we kind of, we were trying to think of IP like a ranking of that, like what's the, cause, cause certainly something like Sonic, it's like so, the fandom is so divided. There are people who think Sonic is stupid. You know, it gets a Star Wars certainly invites the same sort of toxicity, same sort of backlash, but there are things like the Turtles where people are like, yeah, I like the Turtles. I fuck with the Turtles. And that's despite multiple failures on their record as an IP. Right. I would say, I would go this far. Everybody in this room, none of us, the Turtles are not our favorite. No, they're not even close to our favorite, I think. But we all like them. Do I subscribe to the Turtles subreddit? Absolutely. I do. Interesting. I don't even do that. I got to get in there. I think one of the funniest things I've ever seen is the, is the condition of the 19, is it 90 or 1989? Yeah. The original suits. The suits where the lips are all rotted off and it's only teeth. Yeah, that's horrifying. Yeah, you would like that. When I saw that, I was like, that's a Halloween costume. That's good. To be rotted turtle costume. I like that. And I like the deteriorating animatronics from Chuck E. Cheese. Those are fun. Those are just interesting because I like to see the mechanics on the inside. I'm realizing now I should have brought my Magic the Gathering Ninja Turtles cards. Oh no. It was a real whip on my back. You know what I realized? I didn't even take a picture of it. I have a refrigerator in my home. Not to brag. Very cool. It has food inside of it. And on top it has frozen food. That one's doing pretty well for themselves. I have, you're showing a picture of. On a bad day, like when I'm sick, I feel like that's what I look like. Is it a rotted Donatello it looks like? Yeah. It's the gums that make it bad. We have various magnets on our fridge holding up little pictures and things like that. Four of the magnets are Ninja Turtles. Pretty good. One of them, one each. Wow. Pretty good. I just have them. Turtles aren't your favorite. They're not even my, I have no other magnets of IP. But I have those for some reason. It's like little flat like sticker magnets kind of. And again, there's some things where it's like, you know, if it's a Game of Thrones thing, some people were like, I don't want that in my home. But if it's a Ninja Turtles thing, it's like, yeah, I'll put the magnets on my fridge. You know how unobtrusive they are? My wife has never said anything about it. Well, by your, by your metrics, she probably lightly likes them. Yeah. I'm going to have to ask her like, Hey, what do you think about the, that's actually, she's a good test case for it because there's no way I almost can guarantee she has no opinion of it. And if she saw them for even a second, she'd be like, yeah, they're fine. I bet you she's an easy convert for sure. Pretty good. Hey, buddy, this time of year always makes me rethink what's in my closet, trying to keep fewer things, but better ones, pieces that are well made and easy to wear all the time. That's why I keep coming back to Quince. I really do. The fabrics feel elevated, the fits are thoughtful, and the pricing actually makes sense. Quince makes high quality everyday essentials using premium materials like 100% European linen and their insanely soft flow knit active wear fabric. Their men's linen pants and shirts are lightweight, breathable and comfortable. Basically the perfect layer for spring. The pants strike the right balance between laid back and refined. 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There's also a lot of Ninja Turtles games we could dig into at some point but right now we're going to talk about video games in general in this video game podcast. The question for the room is about video games. We are currently spending time with, I ask all of you, what are you playing? What are you playing? I'm playing Resident Evil Merchant. I never heard of talking about what they're playing on their video game platforms. I'm playing Resident Evil Merchant. I'm playing Resident Evil Merchant. I'm playing Resident Evil Merchant. I'm playing Resident Evil Merchant. I'm playing Resident Evil Merchant. I'm playing Resident Evil Merchant. I'm playing Resident Evil Merchant. I'm playing Resident Evil Merchant. I'm playing Resident Evil Merchant. Why? This is how that's yet an end. Don't you know when to stop bleeping? If we're going to bleep, this has been a pretty profane episode so far anyway, but if we were going to bleep something, we probably would be you saying penis. Yeah. I always bleeped every time we said it. We should be bleeping it. This is a Christian show. We shouldn't be putting out anything like that. It is? That's a low key Christian show. I didn't know that. I kind of feel weird letting you in here because you're kind of a vaguely demonic presence. Are you guys shakers? What do you mean? What do you mean? I'm a mover and. No, you're a shaker. I don't know what that is. Shaker is like a religious sect. Oh, it's a Christian sect. Oh. Yeah. Just say no because you're not. Well, I'm not. Okay. I could try. You should try it out. They sing a lot. Oh, I like that. They get that good singing voice. I'm a, I guess I'm a mover and a shaker and a, that's a rump shaker. So. We're in a way. We are. I'll throw an asset. Sure. Throw an asset. I'm a salt shaker. Some of those songs are low-key bangers. Yeah. Yeah. Like a. My God. Isn't that awesome? God. He wins. I just picture that. You listen to that song and picture me twerking. Ha ha ha ha. Hey, yeah, well, I would love to hang out as long as I could, but I should probably ask you the question. You're tired of us. Ha ha ha. You're done with us? No, I don't want to overestimate my welcome. I could stay here all day. Oh, that's OK. I got nowhere to be. You guys, you guys try that. Oh, you got one right there. 7-up zero sugar. Yeah, I'm drinking a 7-up zero sugar. Lemon lime soda flavored with other natural flavors, which seems to be the full title on the can. And it's pretty good. I like the 7-up zero. I like the 7-up zero Shirley Temple more, which we talked about before the show, but also like Sprite zero and Starry zero, which I think is low key my favorite of the lemon lime zero, is I would put above the 7-up one. Starry zero is pretty good. I like, look, I like Starry. Do I feel foolish every time I'm asking for it? Yeah. Right, because it replaced Sierra Mist and the main alteration is they switched from cane sugar to high fructose corn syrup. We used to have it all. I think they're adding pro to too many things. Pro? Pro. I know the top week is the VEBRO. Yeah. There's like water pro now, like soda pro. Yeah. And protein pro. Pro protein. Yeah, I don't like that. And I don't like plus. I don't think what you said is true. I don't think there's soda pro. I think there's like the PlayStation pro. I think you should take it up. Nick, I think you're out of your depth. Nick, we can't be cutting people out like this because just in the kitchen before we started, I had seen you eating food. There was a wrapper on the table. Two little sauce cups. I said, Nick, did you get yourself some taquitos? You said yes. And then you said, wait, I don't know why I said that. I had a bean and cheese burrito. I don't know why I like my reaction was to lie. You lied if you lied. I don't know why I did that. I'm perversional. What, Matt? I was queuing you up to maybe have you ask a question. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. The question of the week and every week is, Matt, a burraca, what are you, brilliant? Resident Evil Merchant, thank you so much. So this is very important that I talk about this right now. I recently finished Resident Evil 2. I've only ever played Resident Evil 4. Those are my Resident Evil experience. Best of the best. Best of the best. Remake in particular, very good. Nope. I do like that remake. The remake's fucking great. Why? Why you call me on the show just to hurt me? We're not knowing. I mean, I know you got recast in the remake for some reason. Your absence is felt, rather. But it is still overall a very good game. Almost perfect, except for one part. And so I'm continuing my journey in the Resident Evil world with the latest release, Resident Evil Requiem, the ninth Resident Evil. And guys, I feel like I get called out on this show a lot for the use of hyperbole, saying that this is an all-timer. This is incredible. Just saying every game is good. Who's calling you out on that? Just people who listen to the show. I shouldn't be paying attention. Yeah. You can just dismiss that out of hand. Let me just. So I just want to say that so I can get this out. Yeah. We might be sitting on a generational game here, guys. Wow. This is, I think in some ways, one of the best games I've ever played in this genre. You start. You have two characters. You have Grace Ashcroft. And you have Leon S. Kennedy. Grace's segments are in third person, or in first person, excuse me. And it harkens back to, it's almost like a scary fucking house game again. Sure. Where you're in first person. She's an FBI agent. She's kind of new on the job. She's fucking scared. You're in first person. The halls are tight. There's fucking crazy guys walking around. It's fucked up. It's scary as hell. Marl from the first person perspective of Resident Evil 7 and Resident Evil 8 Village. Yes. And then, of course, PT. Yes. And it has those vibes like you'll just like see, you'll hear stuff going on. And then maybe off in the distance, you'll see something kind of fucked up. And you're just like, god damn. Then when you're done playing Grace parts, you get your shit kickers on. You're playing as Leon. And you start fucking shit up. And you're fucking awesome. And you're kind of a zaddy now. Kind of hot as hell. He's always been beautiful. I saw somewhere that he's like, if you, if we're treating his age in previous entries as canon, that he's like 60 now, which is what I want to think about. Yeah. He's up there, but he looks fucking good. He looks incredible. Matt, to your point of it being a generational banger. Yes. I would like to say that it is currently tied on Metacritic for the best games by user score of all time. It, it. What else is up there? Our top 10 are Claire Obscure, Resident Evil Requiem, shit, Metal Gear Solid, Metal Gear Solid 3 Snake Eater, The Witcher 3, Silent Hill 2, Silent Hill 2 Remake, Gran Turismo 4, and Chrono Trigger. Wow. The only game that has been memed into the top 10, which I did not include in the list, but will now say is Disney's Corey in the house. Yes. Right. Yes. As you know about this. Corey, you're on notice. This game's coming for your ass. I don't care whose house you're in. It's not a problem usually in these games. This, it's, it plays so well. The combat feels really, really great. True, genuine scares. In particular, in the first person mode. I like that you have, and you can change it. You could play Grace's sections in third person, and they didn't do it as an afterthought. It plays differently. Like instead of seeing her hands trembling and stuff, she'll trip in third person mode when she's scared and stuff. And that's interesting that they did. They did both, and you might not get both experiences. And I think the villain so far is very interesting. I won't, I'm not going to get into spoilers or anything like that, but the story is very interesting. Well, the story is interesting, but I feel like the story in these games is negligible. Yeah. Like, because it's, they're nonsense kind of. Yeah. And that's kind of why they're like, they're fun. Yeah. It doesn't seem like, well, I don't want to get into too much of it, but it is a serviceable story. The game plays perfectly, and it is so scary and so fun, and I'm having a fucking blast. Can you describe pacing wise? Yeah. Like, I intend to play this game, I've not played it yet, but the two characters, like how long or stretches, and how often are you pivoting between them? So it's an interesting question, because I feel like I'm taking longer in the grace sections because I'm more afraid. Sure. Because of I'm trying to stick to the default intended play through of her playing her sections in first person. So I will like take breaks while I'm playing it. Like I'll just like pause it and put it down, just be like, God damn. There's like, because like some of the fucking, some of the creatures in this thing, no. Nasty guys. Just absolutely not. Like worse than seeing like, I don't know, like there used to be just like zombies. Yeah. And now they're kind of just like, here's this thing you've never even thought of. You're just like, what is that? How does it compare to legs on top, legs on bottom? Nothing is ever going to be like that, I think, but like they've really gone in that. It's just sort of like, I feel like it's sort of their answer to it kind of. Like the just the they're pushing it to the full extent of like what is zombie could be kind of thing. Matt, I want to step in here because today I also started playing Resident Evil. Evil Rebellion. I've only gotten into the sort of prologue area. Yes. And you know, through the first section of say the hotel. Yes. And I started because not only are you effusive about it, but I keep hearing graphical praises for it playing on the PlayStation 5 Pro. And Matt, this game looks gorgeous. It looks great on a base PS5, but like I've seen the comparisons and like it looks it looks crazy on a PS5. You're walking in what looks like downtown Chicago. There's an elevated train. It's a Midwestern city. So, you know, where else are you technically supposed to be? The super fans are in it. And it's every surface is shiny and wet and covered in rain. And you can go up to a window and you see your own reflection is grace. You like go up to the cars and you can move around the cars and see all the storefronts. It really makes you wish that it was an open world game. Yeah. Just so that you could explore that part of the city more. The section that you're about to experience. I was like, they didn't even give me a second to dislike this. Like, it was like so fun immediately after the two. It's like so fun. But the on the balance. I feel like I'm taking longer in the in the gray sections. But I so far I think I've noticed that the Leon sections are a little bit shorter, but they're played so differently. Right. Yeah, like they like because because you're Leon and you can just do anything. Yeah. I like it's it's it's an incredibly exciting video game. And it's got me into I want to play all the PS5 ones that I haven't played. Three I want to play seven. I want to play eight. I'm intending to do this. This might be the better part of my year. I might be Resident Evil. Whoa. Yeah, I might have the T virus. Hmm. Hope it's not La Plaga. Ranch laughed when I said I got I might be sick. Is that OK? Are we like OK with that? Are you sure it was ranch? She's invisible. Ranch, are you playing it as well? I am. What are you thinking of it so far? I love it so much. Yeah. I loved RE7 and four. So it just like feels like a perfect merger of the two. It's it's amazing. I just want to go home and play it. Yeah, I said yesterday this is true even now. I'm mad every second. I'm not playing it. So let's get this fucking over with. Can we? That's pretty good. We talked about doing a Dragon Quest 7 remake episode, but I think we've all kind of fallen off of it. Is anyone still playing it? I played a little bit last night, but I'm not playing it at the speed or with the or the fervor that I'm playing this game. This game is much shorter. I kind of wonder if we should just like pivot to doing a Requiem episode. I'm currently spread across four games. Yeah. For the and I never and that's not counting Fortnite, which is always also played. She's just like me for real. That's that's a lot of games. You're doing it. Give a nickname for is Mr. Games cover that you play a lot of games at once. I think it's that. But I think Heather, I bequeath on to you. Right now you're Mr. Games. Oh, I'm just I'm just some games. You're Mr. Games. I'm some game. Mr. Some games. Mr. Games, the Xbox kid, the finisher. I don't want to be the Xbox kid no more. OK, well, then that we can retire that name. No, let me tell you, as the Sega kid, it really sucks when the thing that you love goes away. Huh? I didn't even like it. You're the Xbox fucking kid. I just have it. Oh, you love it. That's that's the problem. That's the whole problem with the brand. You're the Xbox kid. You're like, it's all right. I guess here's the thing. I do have both. I am. Yeah, I guess just by having it, I am that. You got to get into this thing. I'm going to play it about how I'm going to get on PC. I was looking at the Steam Store reviews like Heather, looking at Medicare reviews, the Steam Store reviews, overwhelmingly positive. And I was like, oh, fuck, I got to play this fucking thing. Heather, what are you playing? Well, I started Resident Evil this morning just for so that I could be like, I want to know what Matt's talking about. Yeah. And I got through the first section. Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful game. So far, not scary at all. I wish it was. I'm just like fucking walking. First off, she moves too slow. She moves so slow. Because she's scared. She's so scared. And I'm like, fucking run into the door. Let's go. Luckily, the guys that you end up running away from are not too fast. But it gets it gets. I'll say it gets dicey and you're going to feel like she's zooming. Great. Can't wait. You're going to hopefully. She's moved fast. I am much, much farther along in my off to put off God of War Ragnarok play. We were brought. OK, you don't know this, actually. I know this from the discord. I know you brought up the fact that I was pissed off that there wasn't enough violence in the game. And that was that was really mad. I got really pissed off the roof. But the thing is, I'm right. So much of that fucking game is you're having dialogue with Freya or something. And it's like, you you should you should forgive me for what I did. And she's like, are you are you still looking for like the other characters comment on how much of the game you spend doing bullshit? Well, it's kind of they're commenting dynamically. So it kind of seems like kind of seems like you're just looking for pressure. Hold on. You can't play the game without opening the fucking puzzles because you need the weapons. Yeah. Like you can't like the weapons are blockaded behind bullshit side quests. And like Atreus is like like, but Tear is like, where is he going? And Atreus says, oh, he really likes loot. He's got to go look for loot. And I'm like, I don't have to look for it. This is how the game is built. What I want to be doing is violence. Yes. But but don't you find the combat when you're doing it to be quite good? Yeah, I enjoy the combat. I enjoy the combat. There's something about the the the impacts of the acts and the and the chaos blades, blades of chaos, where they don't have like a weight to them that I want. There's like a there's like you're hacking away with this axe and there's no blood. And there's also no it's like either air juggling people. And that feels a little weird to me in some weird way. Where have you I mean, there's this area in the back half of the game. Probably not there yet. I'm not there yet. But it's like. Unless I am. I don't know where I am. It's like a it's almost like an open world. I mean, the game is sort of like this. But like this one area is massive and it's just like all. Violence, violence. I can't wait. Yeah. That's going to be the area that I get to and I just hang out there for a while. It's great. And then I, you know, I say I think it's worth sticking to the end. OK, because the end is, I think, very interesting. Yeah. Well, I want I want to finish the game in part because they're starting to talk about the next one and how it has a female protagonist. And of course, nobody weird is mad. Yeah, nobody is upset about it. They have already redesigned her to have bigger tits. So they got my letter. Yeah. They're already gigantic. She can't stand up straight. It's now a different type of game where that's how she traverses. So I'm playing those two. I'm playing Dragon Quest as my cozy game. And I'm also playing another play through of disco Elysium as not a fascist. And that has been so pleasurable to not have Kim so fucking angry at me. Yeah, what am I like a Kim Kim's Kim's the man? One of my I mean, all of us have it on our top 10 games list. I think it's maybe the only game that's on all three of our list. And it's it's just a game I think about replaying all the time because I played through it multiple times. Each time a little different. And it's like it's there's still so much to see. There's so much content. Like I'll look at YouTube videos of like, wait, I've never seen this interaction before. How the fuck does this happen? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's a masterpiece. And so I'm enjoying another play through of that. I should play it again. Those are my four games. Nick, what are you playing? Heather, thank you so much for asking what I'm playing. So I've not played Resident Evil Requiem yet because I'm just spending all of my my gaming time playing Mugenics. I am fully mupiled. We did our episode, Matt, when Heather wasn't here. And I like I think I was very positive on the game. But I did like talk about how I found like the aesthetic abrasive. Yes. And as I played more of the game and I've gotten into act two. I think that that's that's receded a little bit. OK. And, you know, it's it's like the there's still shit like maggots and, you know, turds. I mean, they're still like disgusting elements, but it's like less forefronted than it is in act one when like you're in the sewers. You know what I mean? So like like like that bothers me less. I also just like I kind of have warmed up to the thick marker line aesthetic of just like the art. I just like I kind of like how this looks. I don't necessarily like how the supposedly human characters look, but the cats are the cats are cute. And I think the I think a lot of the enemy designs are really cool, especially the bosses that take up, you know, multiple squares in the grid. The big boys, those are those those oftentimes look real looking to animate have really cool character designs and really cool animation. But the thing is, it's just it's just such a compelling gameplay loop. Like it's like like it's it's I'm having so much fun just playing this fucking thing that like even if there's stuff that bothers me about it, I can overlook that because it's just I mean, it's it's basically into the breach. X slay the spire X Pokemon. It's like it's like three great things, two of which are like Taylor made for me. And and some of my favorite games of recent memory, the with the rogue light structure that I just find so compelling. I'm just I'm just having a blast with it. There's also just like it's like this maximalist approach to game design. There's just so many items and abilities, like just having gone through, you know, you go through multiple full runs, full runs, meaning like you just like you get to the point you you clear it act and then the your cats retire. But you go through one of those. And every time I'm seeing something new, it's like it's like it's just it's just kind of staggering how much is in there. And the soundtrack is fucking incredible. Like it's like I compared it favorably to Cuphead. It's very much like that. It's like that kind of like, you know, retro. It feels like stuff that would be playing like on for the intro for a fallout game. You know what I mean? Like all that sort of like like 30s kind of jazz. Yeah. But it's like so like like the the the the swing era. But then the magic trick they do, which we talked about in the episode, where it's like one kind of late motif playing throughout the entire biome and then you get to the boss and then that melody continues. But it turns into a full fledged song with vocals. Every time that happens, it's so awesome. It like it's a thing that like, you know, it knocks my socks off the first time it happens every every time I'm like, oh, I encounter a new song the first time. And then I look forward to it on some subsequent ones. It's like and not just finishing it, but it's like you kind of get like this little treat at the end of the end of this individual, the end of this biome. And if you go through a full run, you get you get three of them. I love all that. I will say there's a bit of an act two difficulty spike. But like like I got to act two, I got through the first biome, the desert, and then I experienced my first party wipe and then my next run, another party wipe. And the party wipes are pretty punishing, at least at this stage in the game, because any inventory you have is just basically gone. Like your cats die perma death and then like it like they have five item slots per per cat and then, you know, there's also consumables. All that stuff just kind of goes in the garbage. I you get to salvage one and I think you can upgrade that guy. The NPC who has like like who takes your dead cats and then has the the lost items. I imagine you can upgrade them over time to have more of your items retained. But they're really going. It's like, oh, shit, I like lost all my stuff. And so I'm sending my cats out just like fucking buck naked. And I ended up going back to Grind Act one, which is really fun because the game's super fun. It's just yes, your punishment is a reward. You're like, I mean, just do this again. I don't know. It's just I'm just so impressed by this game. I mean, it's certainly my game of the year so far. Maybe I'll feel differently once I play Requiem. But I've also gotten more into cat readings, which is so central to the game. Yeah. But I just, yeah, I'm feeling so much more effusive now than my initial impressions as it's really got its hooks at me. My cats, I sent them out to go do something yesterday and they came back and then I had to throw them away. Like how you do in the game? Jesus, what you're talking? You're real cats. You're talking in real life. You gave your cats a task. I gave them a task. They came back. They did a good job. First off, already insane. They're pretty smart. Like something in the store. Yeah, I like sending the store. I had them. I had them take my car to go get washed. They're just kind of like my assistants. No, no, no. The I'm just kidding. One of the few items of AI content that I've enjoyed is the Chinese soap operas that have been replaced with all cats. I haven't seen this. It's just cats. Yeah. But it's like soap operas. Got it. With and it's in Chinese. I don't know what they're saying, but they'll like, you know, be very upset at each other. And then one will slap another cat. Yeah. And I'm like, this is. That's fun. This is something. Oh, I have another thing to add to what my my mugenics rambling, which is so you get into act two beyond just like the the different enemies and the different environments of each biome. There's also sometimes like an added gameplay change. So like in the desert, for instance, you all your characters have, I forget what it's called, but they I think they have heat stroke. And so that means that that the healing effects are like completely muted. Like it's like, like it's like it's really hard to heal your characters unless you're hydrated so you can buy water or have empty water bottles that you can then fill by like, say, blasting someone with the surf ability, blasting one of your player characters. And then they get they take some damage, but also they get a bottle of water. They can drink that water, which heals them and also gets rid of heat stroke and. You know, it allows it so it's it's much easier for Claire to heal them. I just I like I think it's just one of those things where it's like, oh, OK, there's just a little bit of a of a mechanical change in this environment beyond just the kind of enemies you're facing. And it's just like, oh, there's just so much. There's so many dimensions to this game. There's so many layers to it. It is just like a great game that you would absolutely hate. OK, Heather would not like it at all. I like it at all. But it is. So well designed. And like, I feel like every year now there's like a game that not necessarily comes out of nowhere, because this has been long talked about. This game was 14 years in the making, I think, right? This is not Bellacho. This is from a this is from a developer who's long established and has has made hit games in the past. But a game. A game like this that then comes out and you sort of like, yeah, it's just good and it just works and it's fucking awesome. Right. It's it's it's cool. It's cool that it exists, even though we had some gripes with it, I think. I mean, I mean, now you've come around. I'm coming around to it more. I mean, like, I liked. I really, really liked it. I thought it was overall extremely positive, despite complaining about some things that were largely, again, aesthetic when we did our Mugenics episode. Yeah. 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It's not a surprise that you knew it, but like hearing it officially, it kind of seems like you've had it for a long time. She I was sitting. I mean, she has had it for a long time, right? I was two years ago. Oh, boy, it's twenty twenty six. I was I was I was trying to stay quiet because I thought that might be an edit point. Well, Heather found that in the notes, but I guess now we're locked into it. I look. Well, I guess we can edit out what you just said and what I'm saying to you now. I don't know. Painters. So this is a dual OLED display, surround sound speakers, and it does not have a controller. It uses hand gestures in order to interact with the system. But you can use controllers to play the games and I've brought along the Apple's favorite, which is the PlayStation five controller. There. Can I just say? Yeah, they're right. That's a controller. That's a good controller. They're right. It might be one of the best of all time. I maybe slightly prefer the Xbox controller myself, but it is a good control. Do you like the Xbox Elite? You have you had this? I do have an elite and I find myself switching back to the just the regular. You like the base? Yeah, I mean, like the the problem with the elite is it's just kind of like it's ungepochka. It's got like it's got a little too much going on. The back clicker. I don't know. I mean, I like the I like forget what I like those paddles. I like those under buttons in theory. What the fuck? There's a name for the back buttons, not back buttons. Maybe it is back buttons. What the fuck are those things? I call the back buttons. Back buttons. I think they're called something else. The ass pads. The ass pads. Whatever those those fucking things are called. I like that the ones underneath the controller, but I think the I just don't like how the Xbox ones feel. Yeah. And then it's like you can adjust the weight to it, but it just like feels like a little too heavy. And I think all the the removable parts for me make it feel a little chintzy. Like it's like it's like it's going to fall apart. They're magnetic. And we'll get to this in a second. But I had to put that controller in a specific place because my cats figured out that they could take the little individual parts off and they'll run around the house. They are pretty. Yeah. They look they're really smart. Those are smart cats. They're doing my taxes right now. But also you have to dispose of them. Well, I got to get rid of this. There are two buttons on the Apple Vision Pro. These one is just like the watch button that the dial. And then the other button is over here when it tells you to do stuff with the buttons. Those are where your buttons are. One button on the right, one button on the left. You adjust the headband by turning this, which makes it tighter or looser. OK. And I'm going to set this up so that I can share because it's like an iPad. So I have to set it up so that it can share the display. OK, which also will let you guys adjust it to your eyes. OK. OK. Does it show you my eyes? Yes, yes, we can. So Heather has the headset on now. You can see like a distorted like it's almost like you're you're snorkeling. Version of your eyes through the mask. Heather is also moving her hands in front of her, which I have to assume with some gesturing associated with its UX. Yeah, I have to set up so that I can share to to the Apple Vision app so that I can see what you're doing so that I can help you out. It has like she doesn't trust us so she can see what we're doing. Well, I have to see. It's going to be well, it's not going to like it. It's going to be POV videos of me being stepped on by giant feet. Oh, no, V5, 4, 4. Right. So now you can see what I'm looking at. Wow, that's why, which makes it easier for me to be like, oh, no, you have to do this or you have to do that. Heather is showing us her perspective of her looking at us. And it's very it's very strange days. That's that's feels this is fucking cyberpunk. This feels like what because we talked about first person and third person. This is a second person experience. This is a second person experience. All right, so truly strange. One of you can be the first to demo. Why do you want to do it? Sure, I can be the first test subject. He's getting sucked into it. So now this is yeah, I have the bring iPhone or iPad nearby to start as a guest. Is that mine or maybe yours? I don't know. Maybe it brings no, it's your iPad is asking me. My iPad that I use for the show. Holy shit, it gives me a little thing to stealing it from this is new. This is really wild. This is new because it used to it used to do just a sort of default demo scenario. Now it's going to teach him how to use the interface. And I'll tell you about this while he's doing it. OK. Matt, which is that you only click your fingers together. So that's that's your interaction. OK. Right. And when you look at anything in the display, that's your cursor. OK. So if you look at the if you've got like a cube in front of you and you look at the corner like it'll show like a little icon and you can grab that with your with your hand anywhere and then open and pull the the screen to get bigger or smaller. OK. Now it's having me hold my hands out and look at them. Put your fingers apart. Hands set up complete. You're right. Not your first rodeo. OK. So it's teaching me how to gesture to pinch. It's a tap your fingers together. So those little pinchy sort of a lobster claw mood. Select all the diamonds in a circle. That's fun. I'm having a good time. And you don't have to move your hand to do it. You can just look at the circle. Wait, really? Yeah. Oh, wow. I think that when you show somebody a TV, you just turn on the TV and then you can just do it. Yeah. The problem, I think, with all of these devices is the initial setup phase is a little bit like overwhelming slash disorienting. Yeah. Also, when I gave it to him, it turned off screen share, which was a real shame because now I can't help him. Yeah. You're on your own. If I had a if I had if I didn't have a Sherpa, I like how there are probably would be pretty lost here. This is overwhelming. And I've got to hit so many fucking dots in a in a diamond pattern. That's got to set up your eyeballs. OK, giving me safety warnings. Skip all this. Capture. Hey, I'm in. All right. Wait, are your texts on this? Yeah, my. Well, it's a it's a full computer. OK, it's everything. All right, I'm not going to read your text. But what I read a couple. So in order to interact with the menu screen, which is very PS Vita, you look at the screen and you can click and drag your your hand across to go to different parts. No, with the pinching motion. Oh, does that make sense? Oh, yeah. OK. So I have a folder set up that's games, but I also have a section on the second screen that is all of the video interactive ways you can watch video. And I have pre downloaded NBA and set it up specifically for Nick. Wow, so that he could see the Lakers in immersive Apple Vision View. That's very cool, Heather. Thank you. What a thoughtful gesture, which I did a little bit of earlier today to see it was like it's pretty fucking cool. That sounds cool. All immersive games. So there are a string of recent losses. Let's see. Do I. Oh, you know what? We have this this victory over the L.A. Clippers, the crosstown rival on February 20th. Let's see what happens here. I pinched that guy. How the fuck do I get this to play? I don't know what you're looking at. So it's hard for me to tell. I'm looking at a bunch of squares. Crawl in squares. Play game. Show basketball game. What squares are you looking at? I don't know. It has a bunch of gray rectangles. I think maybe you lost the internet connection. Oh, what it kind of feels like for a second. Oh, yeah, that's that's not typical. Hey, you know, I'm having fun with this volume slider. Down and up, down and up. I'm going to try opening up crunchy roll. All right, let's see what's on here. Maybe I can watch my dress up darling and immersive 3D. They're putting the clothes on me. Now, I am the dress up darling. Oh, man, the dream. How do you like the pass through? The pass through is good. I mean, like, it's it's, you know, it's pretty. It's what because I'm what I'm looking at is a camera of this space in front of me. Right. So it's like it's like a weird like it's my vision, but it's not my vision. It's a strange feeling, but it works pretty well. It's Apple vision. Like I can. There's Matt. I just touched him. You've never even done that in real life. You know, what's a little disorienting is there's times when you press up the button on the physical button on the headset and there's other times when you do a little pinchy. And it's it's, you know, with me just just seeing this thing for the first time, I'm learning how it all works. Let's let's let's try that NBA app. Does it kind of feel like you're home? I'm back in the digital space. All right. So these are these are games that are going to come on later today. Can't watch those now. I can't watch those now because this is not a time machine yet. Who knows. Future OS update could have time machine element. I mean, one of the time the most time machine ask elements there is, is that it can make all your photos 3D. So yes, I have photos from my childhood that I've saved to my iCloud and I can click them, make them immersive, blow them up huge. And I can be sitting in my living room from when I was a kid. Oh, my God. Wild crazy. Yeah. All right. I'm going to like because I just just picking a game. I'm picking Spurs 76ers, even though it was a blowout. I get to see some Victor Wembanyama. So let me I'll just hit watch recap and let's see what happens. I don't watch basketball, but this is just I will just say this is just a video playing. OK. So what do I do? You know how I get to immersive? Yeah, I feel like part of the issue might be that this is not logged into League Pass. So you might need that subscription to get full games. But yeah, let's let me go back to how do I get go home? So go home by looking at the gun. And then clicking your fingers together and should bring up the menu. OK. And then swipe all the way back to the first screen. So swipe to the. What would that be? Swipe to the right. Yeah, I got it. So then there's Apple TV right here. Like that. And this up. And then click on immersive. And there's a whole tab on the left hand side of the screen. Well, you know what? There are some there are some basketball games here. So it's not I think it's maybe through the other thing matters. You don't have to he's clicking because it's instinctive to click the thing you're looking at. You can have your finger your hand on your lap and just click. Oh, right. You know, here I am. And you're you're it's like you're there. It is like, you know, I'm I go to I go to a decent number of Laker games. I'm very fortunate to be able to do so. This is definitely I'm seeing I'm seeing a Danny Green, the color analyst just like standing there and he's just like a guy. That's great. What's like a guy? What's his job? This one's red. This one's blue. OK. Brother. So this is like a recap. I don't let me see if I can I can fast forward to some some game stuff. It is cool. I get the novelty of this. Yeah, I don't think I could watch a full game like this because I think it would make me dizzy. Could you describe the point of view? So like, is it are you like court side or like to your kind of a little bit higher than court side, maybe like like a row three angle, wherever this camera operators positioned. And this is a baseline camera view. So what you were seeing is underneath the Clippers basket and these are the Lakers are playing defense. So I can see Deandre and Dominate and right there. And he, of course, just got absolutely destroyed. It would be funny if that the immersive view was like just like really high up. I think sorry when they first set set you up in the stands, you are in like the deeper part of the stands. I think to be like, hey, this is where you'd probably normally sit. And now we're going to put you right up on the line. Yeah, it is really cool. So this now it's switched to the the camera under the Lakers basket. And I guess so it's just alternating possessions in terms of which perspective it's showing. And you know, this is not how I normally want to watch a game. But but again, the novelty of it and just being able to look around and see different parts of the court and see different fans in the audience. Where's Jack Nicholson? Jack Nicholson is usually I'm pointing. He's usually over there. By the visitor's bench. But I don't think he's in those seats right now. Although there's probably some celebrities courtside. My son is in movies now. It's trying to look up the shorts. Trying to try to pants them. I can't see up Brooke Lopez's shorts. I mean, this is kind of cool. It's just like, you know, you're seeing just to feel like you're this close to like LeBron and Austin Reeves and Luka Donchich. It's it's it's cool. What if they let her what if they pass you the ball and you have to play? I probably do a really bad job. There's a thing that that and now this is more of a sideline camera. So it's just kind of it's just kind of jumping around. It's kind of giving you different perspectives. I don't think you have optionality in terms of what you're looking at. But it is very cool. I totally totally get this. There's a thing that a lot of fans try to do, which is like, like, could you score, you know, like X number of points in an NBA game? Like, could you score four points in an NBA game against NBA defenders? And the answer is, of course, no, no, they're like, there's no fucking way. But I also think I think that exercise isn't even all that useful. I'd rather do this. So like, could you dribble the ball three consecutive times against an NBA defender? Yeah, no, no, no, I don't think you could. I think they take the ball from you. Like, could you hit off of Shohei Otani? No, no, you couldn't. No, no, no, could hit on him. Yeah, trial day. He's married. Stud. Nick, would you like to go back to the main menu and and get the app open the app? It's in the games folder on the third screen. OK. And I think it's called interactive dinosaurs or something like that. OK, because you said, you know, you preinstalled the NBA app for me. I wonder if you also preinstalled, you know, one of my favorite games, like Honey Pop two double. Unfortunately, the hand gesture becomes very different. He's just. But it's also very close to his face. He keeps trying to pull a visible tent. He starts going like this. You're like, no, no. Well, I can I can text Mary. Hi, it's me, your wife, Heather. Wait, I don't know how to get out of here. Oh, no, it's no, it's starting to do it. No, no, no. Get me out of here. I don't want to send Mary, Heather's wife, link to the Washington Wizards versus Orlando Magic Game. Stop. Stop. How do I get to the home screen? Do the gun, do the gun. Do the gun. OK. OK. Oh, and then I get the button. Right. Great. Thank you. I totally forgot. OK, so I'm looking for interactive dinosaur. Porta Newby Vacation Simulator Retrocrate and Encounter Dinosaurs. Here we go. Encounter Dinosaurs. All right. That sounds like it's going to be scary. I immediately start shrieking. Oh, he's so visibly torn in half for us. Feel free to explore, but stay aware of your surroundings. So it's supposed to get up and move. You don't you can. You don't have to. I don't think I'm going to because I think it's going to make me motion sick. OK. Preachers in this experience can see you and may react to you. Got it. Encounter Dinosaurs. Where are the fucking dinosaurs? Here we go. I think you'll know when they're there. I kind of this feeling that if you saw one, you'll know. Yeah. Well, that's what I'm saying. So I see a butterfly. That's fun. This guy's just going to fly around like that. That's really cool. He's hold up your finger. You might land on it. You land on my finger. No, he's not doing it. Oh, well. I want this. You are. You landed on it. Yeah. OK, so now I'm seeing a barren, rocky landscape. There is lightning, thunder. It's not great weather. Where the freaking dinosaurs? There's so there's here's a here's a prehistoric mammal. Oh, there's a little guy. Look at him. Just a little guy. What's he look like? He looks like a baby brontosaurus, although he's got to be he's he can't be that he's too too small. I can't imagine they're that small at birth. I guess they do come out of eggs. Yeah, I feel those eggs are probably bigger. I think that he's seeing a different dinosaur than I'm seeing. OK, now I'm seeing like a that looks like a it's it's not a T-Rex, but that's it's that type of dinosaur, like a predator dinosaur with a tiny little of a little arm, stubby arms that you can't check off with. And then the big, big, meaty legs. He's coming right at camera and is this a game? No. OK. But it's interactive. It's kind of an interactive experience. Yeah, it's not going to die. Can I do anything this guy? I don't know if you can do anything to him. Can I pet him like Nintendo dogs? He's huge. Yeah, that's cool. He steps out like it's a screen and then slowly the screen becomes three dimensional and he can step into this physical space. Can you go to Pandora? Not yet, dude. And I wish I was in Pandora with for wrong. Never leave. This is really cool. Yes, tails swooshing out at me. Now there's another one. Maybe they're going to fight or get it on. You know, in Peter Jackson's King Kong and King Kong fights the dinosaur. Yeah, that's a cool part. It's a cool part. You know, they also do they have a they have a dinosaur Kong fight on the universal tram ride. Yeah, always. It is really cool. Peter Jackson directed it. Maybe. Yeah, it's fucking sick as hell. They still have him, even though there's been Kong's since it's no longer universal. It's it's the right Kong. Yeah, the right choice. Yeah. There's a cool experience. I'm going to hand this over to Matt, because I feel like I could totally hog this for the rest of the episode. All right. That should experience as well. That's I totally get the the gimmick here. The gimmick. A gimmick. I don't mean. Well, you know what I mean. I don't mean that. And VR headset. Yeah. That sort of, you know, forecast a perspective, fun future for us. What I'm saying is I understand you're silly little toy. Oh, my. Your face computer. You can also. You can FaceTime with people. Whoa. While you're while you're wearing it. And in order to do that before you FaceTime with them, you take it off and you do a 3D scan of your face. And then it's cameras that are lining the thing. Real time do your facial expressions to other people in FaceTime. Does that make sense? And in Zoom. Like it like so like the cameras that are on your eyes. It like replace. I'm having a hard time. I have a hard time. I sort of know what you mean, but I can't articulate it. But I know what I understand. Yeah. Ranch, you understand? Mm hmm. It's very Apple to make this all gesture based, but I will say watching it, watching someone else use it, it feels well stranger than watching someone like holding like a, you know, like a controller. Sure. But I think that part of it is supposed to be that you can do it as as casually as this, you know, like I don't even have to like. Others hand is just on her lap. And it does like just even watching Heather do the gestures. It's very much the the promised future of like a minority report type thing where they have the screens that, you know, pull out from nowhere and stuff like that. So cool and minority report. We just got the little gloves and he's like moving the screen around and shit. And it's I think it's also well acted because it could look stupid and dumb. And they're just like, oh, we do this every day. Yeah. Toppers knows what he's doing. Yeah. OK, let's toss it off. Get in here. OK, so now it's talking to me. Yeah, like the like the the Oculus slash Rift, whatever it's called, it doesn't have headphones. It has little speakers that are near your ear so other people can hear faintly what is being with the audio that's coming out. Yeah, you can you can use it with like the AirPods or whatever if you want. And then you have like full Dolby Atmos for IMAX because there's also an IMAX app that will give you the large IMAX viewing screen for films, which is. That's wild. Wild. My favorite things to do with the thing is that you can extend your MacBook screen into the virtual display. So you open up your laptop and then it'll have like a little floating button above your laptop that says, you know, mirror my display or something. You click that the screen on your laptop goes dark. It floats up into your visual space and then you can make that screen as large as you want. And the resolution is 8K. So it's crystal clear for working. Right. So you can have like a giant virtual display and then also apps floating in your virtual space like you can have like iTunes floating over there. You can have a clock map to the wall. It maps your physical location also so that any time I go back to my office with it, all of my apps are stuck to the wall where I want them to be. This is fucking crazy. OK, safety who cares? OK. OK. All right. So now I'm in here. Is there a game that leans into the pinch gesture like a grandma cheek pinching game or a pinching game? There's a snake like a purple and purple game. There's a game that's like a snake game, right? Where you drag the snake around by pinching the sort of the head of the snake. If that makes sense. It does make sense. Yeah. I clicked on the dinosaur. What are you seeing right now? You're just going to explore, but stay aware of your surround. I'm not going to. Is it like if I step on something here, it's going to affect the course of history? I think that's the issue. It's kind of a Ray Bradbury, you know, butterfly flaps as wings. You don't know the consequences, thousands of years in the future sort of thing. I like pinching. Yeah, pinching is pretty easy. I want to see if the butterfly land on my hand. It did it. Fuck you piece of shit. Yeah. There it goes. This is great. That's pretty cool. It does. But maybe it's because I have a gigantic head. It doesn't feel that heavy. OK, I want to wear it in my life. It felt pretty comfortable. We lost we lost ranch. The screen is up. We've lost ranch. She's in the land of the dinosaurs. You know, I always like it. I like the trope in one movie where like, OK, well, we get I get transported to the land of the dinosaurs or the fuck or I get transported to a different time. Or I'm on I'm on an alien world. And then there's the part at the end where the guy is like, I'm going to stay. I found my home. You know, I love that. Yeah. I mean, it's basically what Avatar is. It's baseball. It's my favorite moment in any movie I've ever seen. It's the fifth Indiana Jones movie. Oh, yeah. He wants to stay with Archimedes. Yeah. Fucking ridiculous. They should have let him. They should have just let him stay. And then there should have been like there's like a fucking Greek sculpture of Indiana Jones. Yeah. Called like the traveler. This dinosaur is looking at me in a way I don't really like. He's getting really close. He's coming out of the thing. He's in here. Go back. Get me out of here. What can you play with? So you brought the PlayStation five controller. What can you play the PlayStation five controller? Well, there are a bunch of games that I've downloaded. I would say the best one for for our purposes is retrocade, which is the interactive three dimensional arcade. So you can walk up like once once he gets out of the dinosaur experience, then we'll start retrocade and he can put an arcade game in the in the room. OK, I have it says controller required for retrocade. So it's certainly not built for gaming as a primary use case. If it doesn't come bundled with a controller, if you have to use some sort of third party piece of some third party accessory, there are a ton of games that also are hand gesture games. Sure. Yeah. I think that it's it generally I feel like what the we taught us is that gesture based games aren't as fun as controller based games. And that and I think the issue there is because the largest user base is going to be people who are have gesture based. And I know this thing is like whatever has hasn't made it a huge impact on the market to begin with because of its high price point. But it's like it's like how all the dominant games on iOS or are touch based. You know, it's like, yeah, there are games that you can use a controller for. But by and large, the dominant control scheme just comes with what people have. Yeah. Matt, have you set up an arcade cabinet or are you playing on a flat screen? I picked an arcade cabinet, which is insane. What did you pick? I picked I picked asteroids. OK. But I did what I normally do, which is skip critical information. And now I don't know how to put how to start it. I need to put an actual quarter in. No, I think one of the buttons, one of the buttons is credits. Oh, bubble bubble. Oh, there you go. I like bubble bubble. I beat bubble bubble with my friend Brandon as a kid. We just put the whole day playing not the whole day, but we spent like the whole morning playing X. Club mode, fire, circle is jump, start is start. And OK, the other one is in strict coin. OK, I can I spoil the end of bubble bubble? Yeah, they turn into guys. I think I've said this before, they turn into fucking guys. It's so it's such like I don't want to be guys. OK, I do have to stand up, I think, to play. Does it look like an actual arcade cabinet? This looks insane. Yeah, I can't believe this. I'm being the little guy. I can hear the bubble bubbles like score, which I know very well, coming from Matt Speakers. I got I got hit. But I did. But I did. I captured all the little guys. Now I'm reversing upward. It puts a photo realistic arcade cabinet in your physical space. Like I sorry, I was saying the bubble. The moment these things aren't don't look like this. Yeah, it's it's going to be the best thing ever made. Yeah, I mean, like I look like my mind instantly goes to the implications for porno, because I think that's what it tends of driving like all tech, right? It's like DVDs, it was porno. It was the streaming video was porno. While while I was porno. So you've said three things here, but like the driving force of chat GBT wasn't porn. Well, not initially. Yeah, I think it is now. It is. It is now. I think people are jacking off to that thing. Wow. But I more mean like media like what they were doing on GROC a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, right. Exactly. But I don't mean like media formats as opposed to all technology. Though, you know, people will I mean, the printing press, like the pornography instantly became a problem. So you think that the first thing people are going to do with the glasses is jerk off? I don't know if it's the first thing, but I'm just going to say like there are at least a third. We're going to see some new porno. Yeah, where some new types of porno. Yeah, I also keep forgetting I'm not in front of my microphone. And there are also people in the room, so don't jack off. Yeah, if you see if you stumble upon some porno. Oh, this bubble ball got really interesting. It's saying insert dick in slot. OK, that was fucking awesome. I have to get out of here, I think. Yeah. OK. Where am I? I'm in the Apple TV, Apple immersive video section, and there's something called Top Dogs. Put it on. Put it on. And it's a picture of a Pomeranian with a big old tongue out. I also put real hot dogs. Every the whole world is gone and I'm just here. I'm here in the Apple TV. This is RAID G, so I'm not going to jack off. Unless the G is a soft G. Yeah, yeah. Oh, my God, look at that. Dogs are dropping around. There's a big old puffy Pomeranian on a chair. Hi, baby. We can't just slip the headset onto wrench, right? It would be set up again. Yeah. Yeah. I got it. Rangia, you're going to have to see this. I feel like ranch should see the dogs. We got to do it. OK. This is great. It's just a bunch of Pomeranians on a chair and they're trying to get them to take a picture, I think, or something. They're trying to get in the pose. But they're not fully cooperating. They're a little kind of just imagine. Try getting a dog to do anything. Yeah, right. OK, now I'm sort of like on a convention floor. There's a bunch of Dalmatians everywhere. I'm sure Cruella Deville is looking her lips somewhere. It's also like a full circle. Your screen is like almost completely around you. Yeah, this is no, this is insane. Yeah, you know, you know, that's what happens in Corella, right? What they have their origin story. And it's like, well, of course, she doesn't like dogs because dogs like killed her mom. It's like fucking insane. Why do you make her? We don't need to make her sympathetic. Right. She's just an evil lady who hates dogs. That's enough. We got to let ranch do it. Ranch, you want to take the take my chair? You're just going to blur with yourself in the corner. I like that you open my files. I will. When you said files, I like thought that it was that. I was like, oh, it's not this. But I don't just see what's going on there. I like important documents. Can I do a Blair Witch thing? I'm just going to the bathroom. I think he's going to do a Blair Witch thing. Oh, yeah. He's crouched over. You got to get her straight to the dogs. The dogs. All I need to see. Yeah. Whoa. Whoa. What the fuck? So I'm sitting at Ranch's desk. She sits in my chair. Can I have life switch the cameras here? You can. Wait, hold on. So we're camera two. That's camera one, camera three, which is Heather single. Hi, Heather. Stop. Camera one, you've got to kind of also got positioned as a wide. But I guess that that's because that's because Matt was standing up. Yeah. The normal angle is like kind of a tighter two shot on me and Matt. So one and two are pretty similar. Camera four. That's a producer. Can you hear all the icons? Yes. So click on Apple TV. I'm tell you, I like what I see. What the hell? It's got the goods next doing a second show. Hey, Apple immersive top dogs. This is so fucking crazy. Oh, my God, you guys are gone and the dogs are here. Oh, my God. I'm scared. What are you? What are you seeing? Are you the edge or something? It's like the title sequence of top dogs and I'm in this black space. And there are these like metal looking dogs running around to me. Like Robo dogs or like hardcore rockers. This is so this is scary. I didn't know. This was a woman and a dog right in front of me. They're looking right at me. Yeah. Ranch tried to pet the dog. Whoa. Somehow ranch exited guest user because we can see my eyes on her face. Ranch is not a lie, Mary. Ranch is the top dog. I don't know how it works. Some Kronenberg shit. Yeah. It's horrifying. Imagine seeing your own eyes on someone else's face. I guess Heather's experiencing it. I don't mind it. I do have a twin brother. That is why I'm a twin brother. I guess our eyes are different, though. How different are your eyes? Are you fraternal twins or fraternal twins? So they can't be that similar. Well, it's a look. It's a nifty piece of tech. I I'm just not sure of its. I think just like in terms of gaming, you know, it's still uncharted territory. Like I mean, but that's also the case with VR at large, right? It's like there's some, I guess, beat sabers the closest we've come to like a killer app VR game. I think there's a there's an app that lets you tabletop game in this. And you can put your pieces down on a table. Like I think that the the the best use cases so far are AR games, more than VR games. VR games are great, but you kind of have to have dedicated space to them. I think racing games are really good in VR because you you sit down. But like anything else, you if you're giving yourself a virtual environment, you want to enter the virtual environment. And your brain immediately stops processing like my very famous story of me punching the concrete of my fucking garage as hard as I could. Like your brain stops accepting that you aren't in the virtual space. Right. So the the games where you can put chess pieces out on a board and play a floating person or you can play a tabletop role playing game. There's a card game where you can like hold the cards in your hands. Like all of that stuff is pretty nice. But there's just not the user base yet to incite these game companies to make a fully dedicated Apple Vision game. Right. The moment they are regular glasses, I think that one, we will lose all of our televisions on our on our walls. Like there will be no reason to have a TV on the wall because you'll be able to have whatever size monitor and wherever placement you want for any of your your visual experiences. Which also is going to make our houses a lot more aesthetically friendly again, because TVs are haunting. Yeah. And additionally, there will be like your PlayStation will be like already you can play PS5 on this. Yeah, with a remote play app. Right. Yeah, like you can just like blow up your screen to IMAX size and play lightly laggy. Yeah. Like portal style PlayStation games on it. But once those apps are once the games are dedicated to the actual experience and their glasses, I think everything that we've experienced is gaming up till now is going to become nostalgic. Yeah. Because there's no reason to have like if their glasses, you don't need it, you don't even need like a fucking Game Boy in your hand. You don't need to switch. Yeah. I interesting. I did like the I mean, as far as like the way it worked, I liked the the spatial computing of it more than I enjoy it on the Quest 2, which I think is data tech at this point. But I liked the idea that like it just has all your stuff on it. Like it just is a computer, which is, I think, not necessarily the selling point of those other devices. That's more like I think those are more geared toward gaming. You can do the other stuff with it. But I also am just like, I think like VR, like you're saying, it's like the it's the the the gaming of it is is is niche. Right. Like, yeah, like you have we played the fucking Blair Witch one. I don't think the Blair Witch game we played, which was not a which is a port of a PC game in VR. And that game was legitimately nauseating. There are like the movement in that. It just it like it just it doesn't work with your brain's perception of what reality is. The arcade cabinets are really cool. I think that's like that's just interesting. And I but like I sort of think that like we're going to get to a thing with like VR and AR type things where like the like for me, gaming is like third of the functionality for it. Because like thinking of watching a movie with that. Yeah, seems fucking awesome. Yeah, that seems great. And the environments that you so I didn't show you any of the virtual environments. Yeah. If you turn the crown, you can put yourself anywhere. So like you can put yourself literally on the moon. Or you can put yourself in Bora Bora. You can put yourself in a forest with a mountain in the background. Yeah. And it's adaptive to the time of day. So you can watch a movie like when Mary's not around because, you know, it's a solo experience currently. Although if we had two vision pros, you can watch a movie together and look over. And that person is like a ghost in your space, which is fucking weird. Well, but like a sheet ghost. Yeah, like a straight up sheet ghost. But you put the movie over a lake. She goes is doing the popcorn trick. The is that a dick in a bottom of a popcorn box in your home? The ghost is doing it. I don't know. It's not me doing it. It's the ghost. This ghost. Did you call it a trick? A popcorn trick? It's not a treat. It's I think it's been like the the trope is that it's a trick. I'm not sure if it was ever. I mean, it must have been deployed as a trick at some point. Yes. But I don't think anybody who's been on the receiving end of the popcorn trick has ever been like, all right. Maybe if they really like it, like it's like really horny. I'm super horny and I love butter. Like getting away with one. Yeah. Yeah. Kind of fun. I think I would scream even if I loved the person. Oh, that's a popcorn. I would be. You would just be like, what is happening? It would be an insane thing to do. You would think there's an animal at the bottom of the popcorn. Well, look, it begs the question, why is this ghost doing that? Why am I also why am I reaching that deep into the popcorn? I'm going straight for it. For me, when I'm getting popcorn, I'm going straight to the top. Yeah, I'm starting to the top and working my way down. I'm going for the balls. I'm throwing it into my mouth very fast, like Tom Cruise. I love that. It's so funny. He loves popcorn. He loves it. In the movies. Yeah. And precision. Did you hear the rumor that he was the one that stepped in at Paramount to like negotiate the deal with Warner Brothers? I buy that. I mean, like it's like, you know, he has like a partnership with David Ellison with the the Top Gun Maverick and Mission Impossible franchise. Yeah, so weird. Yeah. Anyway, God bless. You can watch the movies over a lake and the water reflects the movie, if that makes sense. Oh, like you can throw a big, huge drive in style screen over a lake. Yeah. And there's like the lightest being caught by the by the water. And that's appealing to me because I don't want to do the real version of that. But I would like to enjoy it in the comfort of my own home. Yeah. You know, I don't want to be too cynical here. It is very dazzling. But I just like there was a moment when I got my Oculus. I keep calling it Oculus. When I got my quest to it's called Oculus at the time, where I was playing things like Super Hot. Yes. And and I was like, wow, this is so cool. This is like the new frontier of gaming and the novelty wore off so quickly. And I like I like I know I get what you're saying that that we're talking generations in the future. But I also think like, you know, we saw that that movie theaters endure when everyone thought they were going to all go away during the pandemic. And it's because people like like communal experiences. And I do feel like watching something, especially watching something like sports. Like I cannot imagine being in a situation where I'm just watching an NBA game by myself in a VR headset when I could be doing that in like a sports bar or like on TV with my friends, you know what I mean? But I mean, I wouldn't my my my wife is my friend. So that's what I mean. That's what I mean by my friends. That's no. And sometimes she doesn't watch the games, but that so I am just watching the game by myself anyway. But I'm just saying. It's like putting on her foot in her watch. You've had enough wings and celery for one night. Let's get you to bed. I think with certainly within the decade, here's the thing. When when cell phones, when the fucking iPhone came out, people were like, holy shit, it is definitely not novel anymore. It is just a thing that is in slaves, all of us ruin the world. Like so I think that what when what you were describing is the novelty is in these VR experiences, I think what what sets this apart is the computing stuff that you were talking about and like throwing multiple screens into my space in order to like work on a script while also like it's it's just an expanded space as an expanded digital space. Yeah. I mean, I mean, like the main problem, look, like the dude when fire and ash comes out and this is the only way to watch it in high frame rate and at IMAX size. You might want to get one off the used market. I might be doing one to get a closer look at for wrong. I think I was going to say, like, like, I think you're correct that because they like the addition of pass through is so huge. The first generation ones didn't have pass through. You couldn't see what was going on in your actual environment. And that's really like legitimately dangerous and also just like scary to a lot of people, understandably. So that they they if not solved, at least address that is like one thing. But you're right that the main thing is just like comfort, how truce of it is. And and set up. It's just like, you know, if those things get addressed where it's just like as easy as like, hey, unlock my phone, now you can use it versus I got to do all this bullshit. I was I mean, obviously, like it wasn't straight out the box, but it was probably not dissimilar an experience. I was shocked at how quickly I was doing things after putting it on. Yes. And like in that it just worked. And like the the pass through like our quests probably have like rudimentary pass through, it's like black and white and like grainy and stuff. Right. But like this, it wasn't one to one with the room, but it was not so crazy that it looked like I was in a completely different place. And this is the first generation, the second generation one. Apparently the past is even better and the whole display is sharper. I do think that like because like, I mean, just even, you know, you've talked about these the the Ray bands as well. I think I think we're just like fucking we're going to get to a point where like they're it's one to like those are going to be in the form factor of just regular glasses. Yes. And that is like to me interesting and exciting. I would like that more than a headset. I think the next step beyond that is just like a contact lens. Yeah, I think people are going to be hesitant to put contact lenses in. But I do think they'll be OK to wear glasses. I think that what Apple's done is I think the way that the gestures work is really quickly intuitive. Yeah. And especially when you go and demo the the Ray band, the Facebook Ray band things, all of those gestures are so counterintuitive that it makes you nauseous to perform them. Yeah. Whereas this it's like, oh, I look at the thing and I move it. And it's crazy that that isn't the default, that that language, like when you use an Android phone versus an iPhone, you're still touching the screen the same way. Right. You know, like it's crazy to think that anybody would be coming out after this device and trying to invent their own language for like spatial interaction. I think in time people will adapt to AR contact lenses. And that will be the fault in the same way that earbuds have taken over versus over your headphones, even though it's a superior experience to have an over your headphone, because ultimately people don't like shit on their head. They don't like shit on their faces. Yeah. Right. And I also just think that it'll be if we are talking about something that that's going to be as omnipresent as our phones are now, the equivalent of that is something that you just have basically implanted in you. Well, I was going to say the step beyond that is why are you going to get? Why are you going to get contacts when you can just this could be your eyeball? Yeah. A new eye. Yeah. Injected and it's there. I'd be so angry if I injected it. And then like two years later, somebody's like, oh, I've got better resolution in my eye. Shoot, my eyeball lost Wi-Fi. It's like those guys. It's like this. It's like those guys who got the physical boner implants before Viagra existed and like they're like, so they got like, I got this fucking thing. I got like, pump up to make my dick hard. And now I could have just waited a few years and gotten a pill. I should. I should. I shouldn't laugh. You know, we don't we all do things that, you know, that we feel like we need to do. The desperation. Yeah. What a nightmare. I didn't even know that those are types of guys. Yeah, they're guys with like they that's like it's like an internal penis pump, basically. And it's and it's for guys who are like older, mostly older guys naturally who are who are impotent. And you'll see some of those on like, I saw one guy in these plastic surgery show or was like one of those surgeon shows and he just had to like it basically is Dr. Ruggies like, look, he's got one of these pumps. It's the old way of doing it, but it works for him and his wife. So I'm just going to up like, you know, I'm just going to repair something in it. So we got his penis pump repaired. Do you bust if you have that? Yeah, I think you can because it is just like you're just stimulating the nerves. Yeah, I guess so. Yeah. Ranch left the room for a second and the conversation took a turn. How did I miss? Darkness. You'll you'll hear it in the end. Doesn't feel worth repeating. It's really but it's very cool. I and and I'm I'm interested to see how where the technology progresses and what Apple's next generation. I'm glad that you brought it in and we all got to experience it because it was it feels very premium. Yeah, like I was like nervous to like mess it up in some way because like it does feel incredibly nice. Yeah, my neck is now hurting a little bit. How about your back? Um, I mean, you want me to keep going? Rich, any any final thoughts on this experience? I know you just only had it briefly on your head to look at dogs that terrified you. It's really cool. I like it. Cool. Yeah, it's too expensive. It's too heavy. It's prohibitively expensive, right? But like, you know, I mean, these are the things that then are going to like hopefully in time, I mean, become I don't know, man. Computers are becoming more expensive. I guess it's true. Yeah, no, nothing is good, actually. I forgot we don't live in my little fantasy where things are good. Yeah, everything's bad. No, now we get Costco sized data centers. So yeah, we're going to make fucking AI porno when those things could just be Costco's. Oh, man, let me start it. What are we doing? I want a hot dog. Hey, should we do a segment? Let's do a segment. All right, I got some video game dudes and we're going to find out of her producer, Rachelle Chen Ranch knows who they are. It's the return of Dude Ranch. So as of this episode release, the world baseball classic, Matt, you as a baseball fan. Yeah. No, no, this basically the World Cup of Baseball will be underway. So this is Dude Ranch, baseball cover athlete edition. I'll name a cover athlete for a baseball video game. Heather and Matt will guess if Ranch was aware of this dude before. Now, ranch, because these are all baseball players, it's not like we're going through sonic characters and we're like, who is Charmy? And you're like, I don't know. He's a he's a fucking popsicles. Like, no, he's actually a B. Like we get we'll just go on a yes or no of if you've heard in this person before. OK, great. And if you want to add any details, like, you know, what team they're on or you know what position they play, feel free to add in. All right. First up, does Ranch know Shohei Otani? Yes. Yes. Yes. You both get a point. Yeah, I guess I should explain this. The way scoring works is that Heather and Matt get a point if they are correct about whether Ranch does or does not know something. I have his Fortnite skin. I have his skin. He's easily the most famous baseball player right now, right? Yeah. I mean, he's probably in the world wide. The top five most famous athletes. Yeah, I mean, I think so. Yeah. Because I mean, his just his global appeal is so huge and he's so like he's so unique. All right, you should have one point. It's great to look at. He's big, too. He's a big guy. Big, beefy guy. It's still crazy that he's smaller than Varong. Varong would tower over Shohei Otani. I don't want her anywhere near him. You leave him alone. She quarkes his ass. I got some bets I'd like you to make. It's one to one. Next up, does Ranch know Barry Bonds? No, I'm going to say yes. I'm going to say no. OK, we're split here. Heather says no. Matt says yes. Ranch, do you know who Barry Bonds is? I do. Wow. Matt gets a point. I thought that there's a chance of this because there is a Bay Area connection and he played for the San Francisco Giants. Yes, most famously. All right, next up. Does Ranch know Ken Griffey, Jr.? No, I'm going to. I'm going to say yes. Matt says yes. Heather says no. We're again divided. No clue. Wow. Heather gets the point. Not a Seattle Mariners fan. Heather, your lack of faith in Ranch is vindicated. It's not a lack of faith. It's like I barely know who that is. I should say what games these guys are on. Shohei Otani was on this cover athlete on MLB, the show in 2022. Barry Bonds was the cover athlete of MLB Triple Play in 2003. Ken Griffey, Jr., of course, had his own baseball franchise. Ken Griffey, Jr. presents Major League Baseball. Came out in 1994 for the Super Nintendo. I believe there's also a Ken Griffey game for the Nintendo 64. Can I tell a quick Ken Griffey, Jr. anecdote? Please. Yes, let's go. When I was a kid, I did like we had we got to pick. At school, I don't remember the exact assignment was we got to pick like a famous person from history to do a report on. And for some reason, I picked Ken Griffey, Jr. My project was you had to bring in something that represented him. So I, along with the help of my mom, just like made him like we made like a full sized guy. And I brought him to school. Like an action figure. No, like a doll man, like a like a full sized like man. Also, you're saying like a human size. Yeah. Wow. We stuffed like like, you know, like you bought like a cheap shirt from like Michaels or something. And we made it look like a Seattle Mariners jersey and like gave him like white little like pants, like felt pants and stuff. And my Bob one time, we didn't have anywhere to put him in preparation for the project. So for a couple of days, he like sat in a recliner chair that we had. And one time my mom woke up in the middle of the night and screamed very loudly because she forgot that he was sitting there and she thought there was a man in our house. Understandable. That's wild. Yeah. I don't remember getting that good a grade on it. It's not up at two, two. You know, I'm this is I've not forgotten about I've not thought about this in years. I remembering now in elementary school, I did a book report on New York Giants linebacker Lawrence Taylor for some reason. What is what is school? What is school? Yeah. And then I read a whole book on Lawrence Taylor. Yeah. But it was like not for kids and has a bunch of things about him like doing cocaine. I remember sort of reading like a kids book about Ken Griffey Jr. I think in the, you know, early 90s. Or he was like, obviously, just like more famous. So I was right. He was just like maybe more ever present in third grade. We our reports were all randomly assigned assigned conquistadors. And so I had to like do a full report and make a book about Francisco Pizarra. Wow. Who was the guy who was like hunting in Florida for the Fountain of Youth. And it was like, well, I don't need this information in my brain ever again. Yeah. Here's a list of two dozen of history's greatest monsters. But it's also so funny, not funny. Yeah. But it's interesting that the reason that we have anything that we have is because some guys believed a story they heard. Right. They're like, oh, there's this magic fountain. You fucking idiot. You came here because of that. What the hell's the matter with you? They'll be singing a different tune when they find that fountain. Wish you'll have eternal life. Please. But one sip, sir. It's not up to two. Next up, does Ranch know Derek Jeter? No. How they says no. I think yes. I sort of I think so. Once again, they are split. Ranch, do you know who Derek Jeter is? I know who Derek Jeter is. It's a point because he kind of became famous outside of baseball. He did. He was like, I think he was kind of like a celebrity that broke out. Yeah. MLB, the show 2023 was the game. That was the collector's edition. He was the cover athlete. Is he engaged to Jennifer Lopez? Was he? He was dated her for a long time. Well, I'm thinking of Arod. Yeah, I think you're thinking of Arod. All right. Does Ranch know Matt S3, Heather S2? Does Ranch know who Jared Weaver is? No. Confident no from Heather. I think I'm going to say no too. Two no's. Ranch, do you know who Jared Weaver is? No. Jared Weaver also, I think, I believe played for the Giants at a certain point. It could be wrong, but he was a, which I thought made me think Rachelle might know him, but maybe he's just wrong about that. Sounds like you don't even know who this guy is. I really don't. I kind of do. I don't follow baseball. This is stuff I researched. That was sort of like, I didn't know who that was. MVP 07 NC double A baseball. The short lived NC double A baseball franchise came out in 2007 as you might infer from the name. Matt, you'll be interested to know on the cover he is wearing his Long Beach State College jersey. Go dirtbags. Go dirtbags. Fuck yeah, dog. That rips. The, for people that don't know the Long Beach State name, the team name for the baseball team is the dirtbags, which is fucking awesome. It is really, really cool. I've always wanted to get like, it'd be kind of stolen dollar because I didn't go there, but I'm from the Long Beach area. It's a Long Beach. If I got a, I should get one. I went there. A dirtbags jersey. Yeah, you should. Who is hell? It says dirtbags. I've no, you know what? I'm fucking getting one. I'm wondering what's that. You just unlocked my new personality. I'm gonna start ripping cigs, dude. Fucking who cares? She's got a full kit dirtbags, you need. With a cigarette behind my ear just in case. What's the mascot for the dirtbags? It's like a guy. I think it's a guy. It's just the baseball team and I forget what they, it was the 49ers, they maybe changed it. It was the 49ers when I was still there, which I was like, they got a change. Like it's like, who, they're not even doing that. Yeah, they, they changed it to something else, but I don't know, but I think they, the dirtbags just have whatever the school mascot is. Yeah, dirtbags is good as hell. Does Ranch know, Matt has three heathers too, who Jason Giambi is? No. Jason Giambi. Heather said no to all of them except Shohei Otani. Yeah, that's right. And so I think just in the spirit of the game to keep it interesting, I'll say yes. Okay. Ranch, who is Jason Giambi? Do you know? I've never heard that name before. Me neither. Another person from the Bay Area played for the Oakland A's. Triple play baseball in 2001, he was the cover athlete. All right, two more. It's tied up three. Are the A's in Vegas now? Yeah, they're in Vegas. Stupid. But I think they're playing in Sacramento right now. So it's everything so fucking dumb. Oakland institution just like ripped away from the fan base. They used to have three teams, now they got zero. Well, we used to have hope, cash and jobs, now we don't got any of that. Yeah, I know, it's true. Hope Kevin Bacon doesn't die. Okay, does Ranch know Tony LaRusa? No. Again, no from Heather. No. No. Who knows? Who is this guy? Ranch, you know Tony LaRusa? No. LaRusa, who is the World Series winning manager, was weirdly the cover athlete or cover coach of the Tony LaRusa baseball franchise of the 90s. Wow. I play video games. I've never heard of these names. I've heard them so little other than Ken Griffey Jr. that for a moment I thought Nick was fucking with us. No, he's wrong. I thought these were like the names from the Japanese baseball game that it was like, you know, trance, provost. It's like words that sound a little bit like names. You both get a point. There's one more. This will be the tiebreaker. Sleeve McDiakle. No. You can't do that. I'm going to say no. Ranch, have you heard of Sleeve McDiakle? No, is that real? Yes, he's one of the fictional players. It's a little bit of a cheat. The aforementioned Japanese developed fighting baseball released in 1994. Here's the full roster. These are all great. And honestly, they kind of keep getting better. Sleeve McDiakle. Aunson Swimi. Darrell Archidell. Anatoly Smorin. Ray McSerurf. Glenn Allen Mixon. Mario McEarla. Raul Chamberlain. Kevin Noglini. Tony Smerrick. Bobson Dugnut. Willie Dustus. Jeromey Greid. Scott Dork. Shone Furcoat. Dean Westerie. Mike Truck. Dwiggett Rortigl. Tim Sandale. Carl Dantleton. Mike Hernandez. Todd Benzalis. Benzalis is so good. It's a tie. I don't have a tiebreaker, so congratulations. You both win. We all win. We all win. We all got played. As this week's get played, our producers are Shel Chen Ranch, twitch.tv, slash yard underscore, underscore, Sard Ranch. 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